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194 comments
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darthstar  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:21:06am

I wonder if Russia has a special department that just fields the angry phone calls from mothers of conscripts demanding their sons be sent home immediately.

In today’s intercept, the soldier tells his mom not to bother getting a lawyer…they’re ready to take things into their own hands. Jesus I hope someone gets this on tape if and when it happens and leaks it.

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darthstar  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:24:46am
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lawhawk  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:25:04am
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steve_davis  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:30:07am

sorry, this died as the last comment on the previous thread. I was mentioning that wozzkitchencreations.com is doing a july 4 sale for 20% off, code SPARKLE.

These are the folks who make an enormous number of really yummy condiments, sauces, etc. that you aren’t finding in a grocery store (balsamic fig moderna, anyone? Oh hell yes. That was not a rhetorical question).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:30:09am

re: #3 lawhawk

That guy is a comedian and he doesn’t cite any sources. Mississippi is backwards as fuck, but I wouldn’t accept this as gospel yet.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:31:09am
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Dangerman  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:31:22am

re: #285 lawhawk

Speaking of Arizona, they enacted a major anti-abortion/forced birth bill earlier this year.

No one involved knows what the law they enacted actually means, because the law banning abortions after 15 weeks references an older law that bans abortion, except to save the life of the mother.

That older law dates back to 1901. So, the 1901 Arizona legislature was more progressive than these white nationalist Christian fascists.

Under regular rules of construction, the older law’s provision allowing abortions to save the life of the mother would remain in force.

Ducey and the extremists want to treat this as a blanket ban, even though the law doesn’t say that.

the roberts court:

Folks, listen.
May we have your attention, please?
Attention, please.
We can deal with the trouble, friends
With a wave of our hands, these very hands!

Please observe us if you will…

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:31:30am
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lawhawk  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:33:29am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

That guy is a comedian and he doesn’t cite any sources. Mississippi is backwards as fuck, but I wouldn’t accept this as gospel yet.

This is the same MS legislature that has an official who’d force a raped 12 year old girl to carry a fetus to term.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:34:39am

re: #3 lawhawk

With any luck, we will someday train dogs to sniff out fugitive Repug media and politicians so they can be sent to the Hague for trial. There should be plenty of specific trace odors, cocaine laced cash, cheap whisky fumes, Twinkie crumbs, etc.

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Teukka  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:36:32am

Science and Civil Liberties: The Lost ACLU Lecture of Carl Sagan
Around 1987, Sagan gave an uncannily prescient lecture to the Illinois state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union on the intersection between his area of expertise and theirs. We were fortunate to obtain a recording of that lecture, which we have transcribed, lightly edited, and annotated to update its historical allusions and contemporary relevance. Sagan spoke prophetically of the irrationality that plagued public discourse, the imperative of international cooperation, the dangers posed by advances in technology, and the threats to free speech and democracy in the United States. A 35-year retrospective reveals both increments of progress (some owing to Sagan’s own efforts) and continuing menaces.
Most importantly, he highlighted the virtues common to science and civil liberties that are needed to deal with these challenges: freedom of speech, skepticism, constraints on authority, openness to opposing arguments, and an acknowledgment of one’s own fallibility.

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Teukka  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:38:11am

… and it continues (from rightio losing it upstairs)::
Obviously 354% of people think this decision was 2 million times worse than Jan 6
327% of all statistics cited are wrong

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jaunte  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:39:16am

re: #12 Teukka

Very Poe-like.

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Dangerman  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:46:05am

We love to speculate
Its fun to do while we wait a day or a year to hopefully eventually learn the truth about whatever

Would Biden and his team do this without feeling sure they can “enforce” it later, if necessary?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:50:58am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:51:19am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:55:08am
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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:55:32am

re: #3 lawhawk

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This is how you get GIlead, folks. Once one basic right is abridged, every basic right is up for grabs. Abortion access is only one step along the way, next comes free movement of women. It’ll start within our borders, but eventually it’ll turn into movement anywhere on the planet. And it won’t just be pregnant women, it will be all women if they get their way.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:55:55am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

That guy is a comedian and he doesn’t cite any sources. Mississippi is backwards as fuck, but I wouldn’t accept this as gospel yet.

I am sure that Mississippi is working on similar legislation. Just look at Texas.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:58:22am

Really sucks when Democrats act like Trumpists because they don’t want to accept reality.

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darthstar  Jul 1, 2022 • 10:58:55am
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:00:03am
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Dangerman  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:00:05am

re: #3 lawhawk

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This is not science
It is not reliable

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:03:29am
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:04:27am

re: #23 Dangerman

This is not science
It is not reliable

True, dogs apparently cannot reliably detect pregnancy. They can easily detect whisky fumes and McDonald’s grease though, so it may yet be of some use in tracking down fugitive Republicans.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:04:38am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:06:02am

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

You fellows should know by now that the new Liberal Order is loose shoes, tight pussy and a warm place to shit…

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:07:24am

This kind of reasoning drives me nuts.

Yes, I’m angry at Republicans. I can hold two thoughts in my head at once, goddammit. But to continue insisting there’s nothing wrong with the Democratic response to GOP fascism, and try to embarrass and intimidate people out of criticizing them, is just plain self-defeating.

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darthstar  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:07:31am

My nephew just called me.
“Are you working at the office today?”
Nope. I’m at home.
“Cool. I’ll drop by in five minutes and give you a salmon.”

Love that fucker.

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Dopamine Fish  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:08:02am

re: #29 darthstar

My nephew just called me.
“Are you working at the office today?”
Nope. I’m at home.
“Cool. I’ll drop by in five minutes and give you a salmon.”

Love that fucker.

That’s a well-raised boy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:10:54am

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Better hold off on those “End of the World” parties.

/

This means it could be considered just big or fall among the biggest comets ever discovered so far such as Hale-Bopp and Bernardinelli-Bernstein. Unfortunately, it will not be getting close enough to us to figure this detail out as even at its nearest, it will still be farther away from us than the average distance between Earth and Mars.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:11:53am

re: #29 darthstar

A very considerate young man.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:12:09am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Seconded. Dems don’t get a pass simply because they are not Republicans.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:13:49am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

I’m not going to post this on Twitter because I know what will happen if I do, and I just don’t need any more of that shit right now.

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Dopamine Fish  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:14:44am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

This kind of reasoning drives me nuts.

Yes, I’m angry at Republicans. I can hold two thoughts in my head at once, goddammit. But to continue insisting there’s nothing wrong with the Democratic response to GOP fascism, and try to embarrass and intimidate people out of criticizing them, is just plain self-defeating.

I saw one yesterday or the day before that basically said, “If I stop being angry at Democrats, and complaining about the way they handle things, that’s when you need to worry that I’m going to stop voting for them.” The implication being, “Because then they’ve lost me.”

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jaunte  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:15:31am
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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:16:07am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

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This kind of reasoning drives me nuts.

Yes, I’m angry at Republicans. I can hold two thoughts in my head at once, goddammit. But to continue insisting there’s nothing wrong with the Democratic response to GOP fascism, and try to embarrass and intimidate people out of criticizing them, is just plain self-defeating.

Unfortunately, too many in our ranks don’t seem to get that preaching to the choir is not gonna save our asses in November. We drug a lot of folks to the polls in 2020 on pure hatred of Trump, people who we had to do little to convince to vote for Dem candidates. Those same people are now asking themselves why they should vote for Dems again and the most we can offer them is “We’re not Republicans.” The idea that that is not a convincing argument is being met with violent resistance.

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William Lewis  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:16:24am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Understood, unfortunately. Like the image I posted this morning…

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sagehen  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:21:38am

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You fellows should know by now that the new Liberal Order is loose shoes, tight pussy and a warm place to shit…

If I recognize that allusion, does that mean I’m old?

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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:21:41am

re: #23 Dangerman

This is not science
It is not reliable

Since when has that ever mattered to Republicans?

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Crush White Nationalism  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:22:12am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

This kind of reasoning drives me nuts.

Yes, I’m angry at Republicans. I can hold two thoughts in my head at once, goddammit. But to continue insisting there’s nothing wrong with the Democratic response to GOP fascism, and try to embarrass and intimidate people out of criticizing them, is just plain self-defeating.

They’re afraid, and think of the Democrats as the people who protect them against the theocratic-right. Fear makes people defensive.

I’ve supported the Democrats for decades because they believe in our secular society and keep a lid on the people who don’t, but they’ve clearly failed to do their job, and have earned criticism.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:22:44am

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here is another contender.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:23:23am

re: #29 darthstar

My nephew just called me.
“Are you working at the office today?”
Nope. I’m at home.
“Cool. I’ll drop by in five minutes and give you a salmon.”

Love that fucker.

“so long and thanks for all the fish.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:24:44am

re: #36 jaunte

I generally keep away from political posts or even comments on Facebook. To the point of blocking or unfriending people who get too carried away with it.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:25:00am

Elephants are great.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:25:13am

re: #39 sagehen

If I recognizer that allusion, does that mean I’m old?

child of the 70’s…

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:26:54am
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Dopamine Fish  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:28:20am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

“Please love me so that I don’t get lined up against the wall and shot with the rest of the gays when you inevitably take over by whatever means, fair or foul.”

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:28:27am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

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Some people just have a fetish for the taste of boot leather.

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Crush White Nationalism  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:29:44am

That’s a lot of very stupid people. I hope the guard has the sense to discharge their most stupid 10%.

Deadline passes and 1 in 10 Army National Guard soldiers still unvaccinated for Covid. Will they be expelled? (NBC News)

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:31:43am
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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:32:02am

I want science to finally come up with the technology that allows you to search Google for the lyric snippets that get stuck in your brain, driving you insane forever until you finally figure out what song they came from.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:32:10am

re: #14 Dangerman

We love to speculate
Its fun to do while we wait a day or a year to hopefully eventually learn the truth about whatever

Would Biden and his team do this without feeling sure they can “enforce” it later, if necessary?

If Mitch becomes the majority leader next year, how will the Biden admin enforce anything? The Turtle has no shame.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:33:04am
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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:34:43am

Rachel’s area of expertise is in election messaging, and obviously in your campaign messaging you want to completely focus on your message that Republicans are bad, which doesn’t change the fact that we have every right to criticize Democrats when we aren’t campaigning.

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Dangerman  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:35:03am

re: #53 Teddy’s Person

If Mitch becomes the majority leader next year, how will the Biden admin enforce anything? The Turtle has no shame.

I wasn’t defending.
I’m asking are Biden and his team really that stupid or naive?
I really dont know
Maybe the answer is yes.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:35:08am

Incoming weather for the Greater Philadelphia area.
weather.gov

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Teddy's Person  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:37:12am

re: #56 Dangerman

I wasn’t defending.
I’m asking are Biden and his team really that stupid or naive?
I really dont know
Maybe the answer is yes.

That was my answer. They won’t be able to enforce anything if the Repubicans control the Senate. It think that is both stupid and naive.

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:37:27am

re: #38 William Lewis

Understood, unfortunately. Like the image I posted this morning…

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The thing I dislike about this meme is that it totally ignores all attempts to get Roe codified by Democrats, ignores all of the Democratic lead states stating that they will help those in other states get abortions, and ignores all of the things Democrats in Republican states are doing like announcing they aren’t prosecuting abortion cases.

I sure hope Biden isn’t planning on nominating that guy. I could see a Republican leaking it just to get us fighting against each other, but we won’t know until Biden makes the nomination. And while there are a few little things he could do, the only real solution is that we have to get people to vote, even if they vote because they are made at Biden. It’s the only way it’s going to get fixed.

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lawhawk  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:38:31am

re: #57 PhillyPretzel

Incoming weather for the Greater Philadelphia area.
weather.gov

Only thing I’m seeing is the air quality warnings, which are only going to get worse from here on out.

Thunderstorms I can deal with. Breathing air I can see is a problem because all of the particulates, ozone, and other contaminants that make breathing more difficult or toxic. We can thank SCOTUS for that - and upwind power producers that don’t care how much particulate and contaminants they spew.

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Dopamine Fish  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:40:04am

re: #60 lawhawk

It’s supposed to be storms and rain all next week, including on the Fourth, which might cut the celebration mercifully short; this might be one of the few birthdays the American Democracy has left. But we badly need the rain up here, so I’m all in favor of it.

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lawhawk  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:40:40am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:40:53am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:40:54am

re: #60 lawhawk

I am sorry I copied the wrong screen. There is a good possibility of strong storms coming through Philly from about 3 to 7 PM. The Air quality is not good.

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lawhawk  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:41:44am

re: #64 PhillyPretzel

No - it was the right screen. I see those t-storm watch/warnings, but the only notable thing is that we’re going to see a whole lot more of those air quality alerts from now on…

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Teddy's Person  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:41:50am

Has the auto spell check when writing a comment stopped working for anyone else? It works if I click the button to start spell check, but it used to flag my spelled words automatically as you type.

You can all look forward to seeing misspelled words in my comments until I get in the habit of manually running spell check because I tend to type fast then correct flagged errors. Dangerman already noticed a very comical error in one my comments on the last thread.😊

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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:42:33am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Important point from this article: lawyers who practice cases in front of SCOTUS are likely to heap praise upon Justices who they are going to be arguing in front of.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:43:35am

re: #39 sagehen

If I recognizer that allusion, does that mean I’m old?

Earl Butz deserves to be remembered for more than telling crude racist jokes (this was not the first time he had been caught, btw), since many of our longest-standing and most intractable agricultural issues actually started with him.

His policies favored large-scale corporate farming and an end to New Deal programs.

His mantra to farmers was “get big or get out”, and he urged farmers to plant commodity crops such as corn “from fencerow to fencerow”. These policy shifts coincided with the rise of major agribusiness corporations, and the declining financial stability of the small family farm.

He was featured in the documentary King Corn, recognized as the person who started the rise of corn production, large commercial farms, and the abundance of corn in American diets. In King Corn, Butz argued that the corn subsidy had dramatically reduced the cost of food for all Americans by improving the efficiency of farming techniques. By artificially increasing demand for food, food production became more efficient and drove down the cost of food for everyone.

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lawhawk  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:44:24am
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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:44:28am

re: #59 Belafon

The thing I dislike about this is that it totally ignores all attempts to get Roe codified by Democrats, ignores all of the Democratic lead states stating that they will help those in other states get abortions, and ignores all of the things Democrats in Republican states are doing like announcing they aren’t prosecuting abortion cases.

I sure hope Biden isn’t planning on nominating that guy. I could see a Republican leaking it just to get us fighting against each other, but we won’t know until Biden makes the nomination. And while there are a few little things he could do, the only real solution is that we have to get people to vote, even if they vote because they are made at Biden. It’s the only way it’s going to get fixed.

Think of bolded in terms of the line we’ve all been hearing at school, at work, and even in our homes: “You don’t get credit for things you didn’t do.” Bills keep getting filed, yet they never go anywhere. That sounds like a party that didn’t take the threat of Roe actually being overturned overly seriously.

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:46:05am

re: #39 sagehen

If I recognize that allusion, does that mean I’m old?

It means that Earl Butz should remain dead.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:46:35am

re: #70 Targetpractice

Think of bolded in terms of the line we’ve all been hearing at school, at work, and even in our homes: “You don’t get credit for things you didn’t do.” Bills keep getting filed, yet they never go anywhere. That sounds like a party that didn’t take the threat of Roe actually being overturned overly seriously.

Only Democrats have agency. I wish Republicans would get credit for breaking shit.

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lawhawk  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:48:43am

re: #70 Targetpractice

Think of bolded in terms of the line we’ve all been hearing at school, at work, and even in our homes: “You don’t get credit for things you didn’t do.” Bills keep getting filed, yet they never go anywhere. That sounds like a party that didn’t take the threat of Roe actually being overturned overly seriously.

Schoolhouse Rock time.

Democrats filed bills in both House and Senate.
Democrats passed the bill in the House.
Senate blocks because of filibuster (needs 60 votes).

When was last time that Senate had 60 votes for Democrats and controlled both chambers and WH?

And this SCOTUS would render that law unconstitutional too - because they’d invent some penumbra or emanation to claim that Congress can’t deny a fetus their rights (even as governments and legislatures do that all the time - from not counting them in the census to not extending life insurance to not considering for tax purposes until live born).

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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:50:12am

re: #72 Teddy’s Person

Only Democrats have agency. I wish Republicans would get credit for breaking shit.

Exactly, this has been the GOP’s objective for decades, and if you don’t like it, the only way to reverse it is to vote Republicans out of office and elect more Democrats.

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:51:05am

re: #72 Teddy’s Person

Only Democrats have agency. I wish Republicans would get credit for breaking shit.

The guy down the street keeps leaving flaming bags of dogshit on your front porch. You’ve got him on camera, you’ve got him confessing on tape, and you’ve got a written confession in email. But the local deputies refuse to take action because the Sheriff worries it might hurt his reelection bid, but they promise that they might do something after the election.

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:55:08am

re: #75 Targetpractice

The guy down the street keeps leaving flaming bags of dogshit on your front porch. You’ve got him on camera, you’ve got him confessing on tape, and you’ve got a written confession in email. But the local deputies refuse to take action because the Sheriff worries it might hurt his reelection bid, but they promise that they might do something after the election.

Trying to figure out how that relates to 50 Republicans and two Democrats preventing a vote.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:56:45am

More Republicans claiming the vote in GOP primaries was rigged. A SC County Commission was reversed by the state GOP when it recognized the loser based on some vague allegations that the machines weren’t working right. November could be a major clusterfuck with all these election deniers in positions of power.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:57:47am

re: #74 No Malarkey!

Exactly, this has been the GOP’s objective for decades, and if you don’t like it, the only way to reverse it is to vote Republicans out of office and elect more Democrats.

The MSM reinforcing this paradigm for fear of accusations of “liberal media/press” is one of the GOP’s greatest accomplishments.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:57:49am
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gwangung  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:57:59am

re: #70 Targetpractice

Think of bolded in terms of the line we’ve all been hearing at school, at work, and even in our homes: “You don’t get credit for things you didn’t do.” Bills keep getting filed, yet they never go anywhere. That sounds like a party that didn’t take the threat of Roe actually being overturned overly seriously.

Particularly in the many years that Republicans controlled Congress.

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:58:34am

re: #73 lawhawk

Schoolhouse Rock time.

Democrats filed bills in both House and Senate.
Democrats passed the bill in the House.
Senate blocks because of filibuster (needs 60 votes).

When was last time that Senate had 60 votes for Democrats and controlled both chambers and WH?

And this SCOTUS would render that law unconstitutional too - because they’d invent some penumbra or emanation to claim that Congress can’t deny a fetus their rights (even as governments and legislatures do that all the time - from not counting them in the census to not extending life insurance to not considering for tax purposes until live born).

About 60 days in the Obama administration, with a whole bunch of anti-abortion Democrats. Do Lieberman, Nelson, and [ what was her name from Louisiana ] sound familiar?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:58:48am
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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:58:55am

re: #73 lawhawk

Schoolhouse Rock time.

Democrats filed bills in both House and Senate.
Democrats passed the bill in the House.
Senate blocks because of filibuster (needs 60 votes).

When was last time that Senate had 60 votes for Democrats and controlled both chambers and WH?

And this SCOTUS would render that law unconstitutional too - because they’d invent some penumbra or emanation to claim that Congress can’t deny a fetus their rights (even as governments and legislatures do that all the time - from not counting them in the census to not extending life insurance to not considering for tax purposes until live born).

No offense, but that is a lot of words that amount to “We’re fucked no matter what.” If we’ve conceded that no law will survive this SCOTUS bench, then the only answer is a constitutional amendment. And that’s not 60 votes, that’s 435 Representatives, 67 Senators, and 38 state legislatures. Which means all the talk about having enough votes to override Sinema and Manchin on the filibuster is more smoke being blown up our asses than a California forest fire.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 11:59:13am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:01:08pm

They’re STILL doing it.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:05:39pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

They’re STILL doing it.

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The White House really needs to address this and explain why Biden made this deal.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:06:28pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

No offense, but that is a lot of words that amount to “We’re fucked no matter what.” If we’ve conceded that no law will survive this SCOTUS bench, then the only answer is a constitutional amendment. And that’s not 60 votes, that’s 435 Representatives, 67 Senators, and 38 state legislatures. Which means all the talk about having enough votes to override Sinema and Manchin on the filibuster is more smoke being blown up our asses than a California forest fire.

Our democracy needs a major overhaul, which is unlikely to happen until after we have a major crisis. The House should be expanded, D.C. should be granted statehood, and Puerto Rico as well (if it wants it), we should have multi-member districts to make gerrymandering moot, voting should be made as easy as possible, and SCOTUS thoroughly reformed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:06:33pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

at least two problems with the people yelling “fake news” yesterday :

1. The false assumption that just because there was no immediate vacancy to fill meant Joe’s story was wrong.

2. Deliberately ignoring the fact that Rep John Yarmuth was quoted in the original story. Calling the story fake news flat out called Rep Yarmuth a liar as well.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:08:09pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

at least two problems with the people yelling “fake news” yesterday :

1. The false assumption that just because there was no immediate vacancy to fill meant Joe’s story was wrong.

2. Deliberately ignoring the fact that Rep John Yarmuth was quoted in the original story. Calling the story fake news flat out called Rep Yarmuth a liar as well.

Its been reported that Governor Andy Beshear confirmed the WH told him about the deal as well.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:08:45pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

at least two problems with the people yelling “fake news” yesterday :

1. The false assumption that just because there was no immediate vacancy to fill meant Joe’s story was wrong.

2. Deliberately ignoring the fact that Rep John Yarmuth was quoted in the original story. Calling the story fake news flat out called Rep Yarmuth a liar as well.

Not just Yarmouth - Gov. Beshear also confirmed it. Both Democrats.

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:09:08pm

re: #76 Belafon

Trying to figure out how that relates to 50 Republicans and two Democrats preventing a vote.

The BIF vote last year proved that the leadership can move heaven and earth to make a vote happen if they want it to happen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:09:29pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

They’re STILL doing it.

Rep Yarmuth and Gov Beshear beg to differ that there is “no deal” because they are rightly and vocally pissed at Biden about this.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:10:22pm

I’ve been following Joe Sonka on Twitter for years. He’s not a hack, or a fake news promoter, he’s one of the few good ones.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:10:35pm

re: #89 No Malarkey!

Its been reported that Governor Andy Beshear confirmed the WH told him about the deal as well.

yep, Beshear is today. Yarmuth was quoted in the original story, but those demanding a “source” conveniently didn’t bother to read that far.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:11:03pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Not just Yarmouth - Gov. Beshear also confirmed it. Both Democrats.

Yarmouth was first when the story broke. Beshear came much later.

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:13:12pm

re: #80 gwangung

Particularly in the many years that Republicans controlled Congress.

I wonder where all of the rich Democrats are that could have sued to stop the tax law from happening, you know, like how Republicans have these rich people whose sole job is to sue over emissions and abortion and the right to force my students to pray.

We are always working from a hole: We need government to work; the current system favors smaller states, which skew conservative, which means that even though more Democrats voting we don’t have as many people in office as we should; the right is united in their racism while too many on the left can’t unite against that racism; and the Right gets rewarded by its own for breaking the rules (see the recent decision in Wisconsin) while the left gets punished by its own (see the recent ruling in New York over gerrymandering).

And I don’t know what to do other than getting more people to the polls, and that’s why I get truly, truly annoyed at anything that looks defeatist.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:13:19pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:14:27pm

re: #73 lawhawk

Schoolhouse Rock time.

Democrats filed bills in both House and Senate.
Democrats passed the bill in the House.
Senate blocks because of filibuster (needs 60 votes).

When was last time that Senate had 60 votes for Democrats and controlled both chambers and WH?

And this SCOTUS would render that law unconstitutional too - because they’d invent some penumbra or emanation to claim that Congress can’t deny a fetus their rights (even as governments and legislatures do that all the time - from not counting them in the census to not extending life insurance to not considering for tax purposes until live born).

For about 4 months in 2009. That’s it.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:15:00pm

Next, we’ll see Biden go ahead and nominate this anti-choice Federalist Society fanatic. You can see it coming.

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:15:49pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

Next, we’ll see Biden go ahead and nominate this anti-choice Federalist Society fanatic. You can see it coming.

“That doesn’t mean nothing! There’s no deal been made! You’re just spreading lies that help the Republicans!!!”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:18:21pm
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A Cranky One  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:18:37pm

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:20:25pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:21:13pm

re: #103 DodgerFan1988

20,000 Jackasses

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:21:53pm
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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:23:30pm

re: #103 DodgerFan1988

We also don’t do hypocrisy as well as they do.

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Dopamine Fish  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:23:33pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

No, they’re against YOUR ballots. Period.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:23:45pm

My question: is this a new deal or is it an old deal? The Senate GOP was interfering with approvals of nominations since Biden’s election. Was this an agreement made in the past to allow the Biden administration to function?

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:24:39pm

re: #96 Belafon

I wonder where all of the rich Democrats are that could have sued to stop the tax law from happening, you know, like how Republicans have these rich people whose sole job is to sue over emissions and abortion and the right to force my students to pray.

We are always working from a hole: We need government to work; the current system favors smaller states, which skew conservative, which means that even though more Democrats voting we don’t have as many people in office as we should; the right is united in their racism while too many on the left can’t unite against that racism; and the Right gets rewarded by its own for breaking the rules (see the recent decision in Wisconsin) while the left gets punished by its own (see the recent ruling in New York over gerrymandering).

And I don’t know what to do other than getting more people to the polls, and that’s why I get truly, truly annoyed at anything that looks defeatist.

Here’s the issue from my perspective: Folks like myself keep insisting that we need something more than “WE’RE NOT REPUBLICANS!” and “TRUMP BAD!” to get folks who are not devoted Democrats to the polls in November. We need to be addressing the issues hitting common folk and working to come up with plans to do so. And the response we keep getting back is that voters only need to hear is that Republicans are fascists, they intend to destroy the nation, and anybody who’s not convinced enough to vote to stop that is effectively a fascist themselves. That there’s no room for the carrot in our approach, it’s gotta be all stick, and anybody who wants to know where the carrot is needs to be whacked with the stick until they fall in line.

And that when we point this out, we’re immediately accused of “defeatism” and we’re gonna be the reason for why the party fails and the fascists take over. That that effectively makes us fascists as well, because anything less than total devotion to the party is letting the fascists win.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:24:58pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

Next, we’ll see Biden go ahead and nominate this anti-choice Federalist Society fanatic. You can see it coming.

What’s the likelihood that Schumer as majority leader pulls from Mitch’s playbook and refuses to let the nomination proceed?

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Teddy's Person  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:25:50pm

re: #108 Hecuba’s daughter

My question: is this a new deal or is it an old deal? The Senate GOP was interfering with approvals of nominations since Biden’s election. Was this an agreement made in the past to allow the Biden administration to function?

That is an excellent point.

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:26:01pm

re: #108 Hecuba’s daughter

My question: is this a new deal or is it an old deal? The Senate GOP was interfering with approvals of nominations since Biden’s election. Was this an agreement made in the past to allow the Biden administration to function?

Given how many deals that Mitch has broken when it suited him, it doesn’t frakkin’ matter when this deal was made or what the terms were. He should be told to go frak himself with a rusty rake and thank Joe for the privilege, not get what he wants because there’s a question of honor or integrity at stake.

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:26:12pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

Which all boils down to 50 Republicans and 2 Senators.

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:27:16pm

As long as those two Senators are lumped in with Democrats and Republicans are not called out, we’re screwed, unless people understand that.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:27:34pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is a possibility.

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danarchy  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:28:02pm

re: #103 DodgerFan1988

Didn’t Colorado go with an all mail-in voting model? I don’t think she has a choice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:28:19pm
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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:28:25pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s the likelihood that Schumer as majority leader pulls from Mitch’s playbook and refuses to let the nomination proceed?

Close to zilch. Schumer isn’t going to block a Biden nominee.

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:28:52pm

re: #113 Belafon

Which all boils down to 50 Republicans and 2 Senators.

Which I already addressed above, we saw that the party is well and truly ready to pass corporate welfare. What we also keep seeing is that even when the party has the power to do things without a Congressional vote *coucollegedebtgh*, we get nothing but excuses about “legal theory this” and “need a vote” that.

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JC1  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:28:59pm

re: #73 lawhawk

Schoolhouse Rock time.

Democrats filed bills in both House and Senate.
Democrats passed the bill in the House.
Senate blocks because of filibuster (needs 60 votes).

When was last time that Senate had 60 votes for Democrats and controlled both chambers and WH?

And this SCOTUS would render that law unconstitutional too - because they’d invent some penumbra or emanation to claim that Congress can’t deny a fetus their rights (even as governments and legislatures do that all the time - from not counting them in the census to not extending life insurance to not considering for tax purposes until live born).

Abolish the filibuster, expand the court. Couple be done with 51 willing votes, but those votes aren’t there yet. If dems don’t keep the house and pick up a few Senate seats in November, the US of A will be truly fucked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:30:52pm

re: #116 danarchy

Didn’t Colorado go with an all mail-in voting model? I don’t think she has a choice.

Every voter in Colorado gets a ballot mailed to them, but they can vote in-person if they prefer.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:31:01pm

Please note that if this deal is being described correctly, the Republicans get a lifetime appointment for another anti-choice federal judge, and Biden gets two prosecutors in Kentucky for one term.

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:31:27pm

re: #114 Belafon

As long as those two Senators are lumped in with Democrats and Republicans are not called out, we’re screwed, unless people understand that.

The party has done nothing to make it clear those two assholes are acting contrary to the will of the party. Instead, the party has allowed both to exercise way more power than either their seniority or their positions in the hierarchy entitle them to. And the excuse every time is “What, you want them to go vote with the Republicans and rob us of the ability to approve judges?!”

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:31:56pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

Which I already addressed above, we saw that the party is well and truly ready to pass corporate welfare. What we also keep seeing is that even when the party has the power to do things without a Congressional vote *coucollegedebtgh*, we get nothing but excuses about “legal theory this” and “need a vote” that.

Clear up something for me: What can he do about college debt with an executive order?

And just because, how will it help my son who will start college in a year?

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Dopamine Fish  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:32:00pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Please note that if this deal is being described correctly, the Republicans get a lifetime appointment for another anti-choice federal judge, and Biden gets two prosecutors in Kentucky for one term.

Wait. That’s it? That’s the deal? Fuck that shit. Gahhh. This administration is rapidly turning sour on me. No, there’s no fucking way I’d ever have voted for Trump in a million years, but this shit… This is unacceptable.

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Dangerman  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:33:13pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

at least two problems with the people yelling “fake news” yesterday :

1. The false assumption that just because there was no immediate vacancy to fill meant Joe’s story was wrong.

2. Deliberately ignoring the fact that Rep John Yarmuth was quoted in the original story. Calling the story fake news flat out called Rep Yarmuth a liar as well.

a third:

because at first blush, it was hard to accept that it could be true

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:33:43pm

re: #124 Belafon

Clear up something for me: What can he do about college debt with an executive order?

And just because, how will it help my son who will start college in a year?

To be a bit more specific: I have seen him clear debt that had laws written to do them. How can he write off debt that doesn’t have a law backing it?

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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:34:11pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

The party has done nothing to make it clear those two assholes are acting contrary to the will of the party. Instead, the party has allowed both to exercise way more power than either their seniority or their positions in the hierarchy entitle them to. And the excuse every time is “What, you want them to go vote with the Republicans and rob us of the ability to approve judges?!”

Keep in mind, Biden has been getting judges confirmed at a record shattering pace, and its the most diverse group of judges in history, so that’s not nothing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:34:34pm

re: #126 Dangerman

a third:

because at first blush, it was hard to accept that it could be true

Yarmuth being quoted proved it for me.

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:35:07pm

re: #124 Belafon

Clear up something for me: What can he do about college debt with an executive order?

And just because, how will it help my son who will start college in a year?

Joe Manchin said your kid and millions of others can’t have free community college because he didn’t want to raise taxes. And the party leadership went along with what he wanted.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:35:09pm

The best good news that I saw today is that Diane Nash is among the Medal of Freedom Recipients.

She was one of the organizers of the Freedom Rides. After the first wave of riders, John Seigenthaler called her on behalf of the Kennedy Administration to talk her out of organizing more rides. He told her that it was really dangerous. She answered that they were all well aware and all had made out their wills.

I show parts of the Freedom Riders documentary and Seigenthaler recounts this story. It’s a gut punch every time I see it. College kids, making their wills.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:37:37pm

re: #131 Teddy’s Person

The best good news that I saw today is that Diane Nash is among the Medal of Freedom Recipients.

She was one of the organizers of the Freedom Rides. After the first wave of riders, John Seigenthaler called her on behalf of the Kennedy Administration to talk her out of organizing more rides. He told her that it was really dangerous. She answered that they were all well aware and all had made out their wills.

I show parts of the Freedom Riders documentary and Seigenthaler recounts this story. It’s a gut punch every time I see it. College kids, making their wills.

Its good to see people who deserve the Medal of Freedom get it again.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:38:34pm
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William Lewis  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:40:42pm

re: #125 Dopamine Fish

Wait. That’s it? That’s the deal? Fuck that shit. Gahhh. This administration is rapidly turning sour on me. No, there’s no fucking way I’d ever have voted for Trump in a million years, but this shit… This is unacceptable.

That crap is why I posted that meme that some are unhappy about.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:41:24pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yarmuth being quoted proved it for me.

Also, Joe Sonka is one of the most reliable reporters in Kentucky or anywhere.

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:41:47pm

re: #128 No Malarkey!

Keep in mind, Biden has been getting judges confirmed at a record shattering pace, and its the most diverse group of judges in history, so that’s not nothing.

This sounds too much like we’re trying to tell folks that at least there’s cheese on that shit sandwich they’re being asked to bite into.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:42:24pm

re: #106 Belafon

We also don’t do hypocrisy as well as they do.

Liberals need to get it through their heads that this is not hypocrisy.

Three hundred years of conservative apologia has been written about conservatism being solely about power.

In this case, she has the power to do this and believes you shouldn’t.

Anything you can do to advance the cause of more power for the rightful aristocracy is necessary and good. It is not hypocritical.

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A Cranky One  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:42:27pm

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Dopamine Fish  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:42:44pm

re: #134 William Lewis

That crap is why I posted that meme that some are unhappy about.

I’ve been updinging a lot of everybody because I honestly see both sides of the issue. No, I’m not happy with how Democrats have been handling things. Yes, I can see where the meme gets its inspiration. But on the flip side, yes, Democrats in the House have been trying to get shit done, and I believe that Nancy Pelosi’s blood pressure is probably higher now than mine has been at its worst because of all the things she wants to do and say, but can’t (that’s “really fucking high”, if you were wondering).

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Skip Intro  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:42:54pm

re: #87 No Malarkey!

Our democracy needs a major overhaul, which is unlikely to happen until after we have a major crisis. The House should be expanded, D.C. should be granted statehood, and Puerto Rico as well (if it wants it), we should have multi-member districts to make gerrymandering moot, voting should be made as easy as possible, and SCOTUS thoroughly reformed.

If the attempted overturning of the election wasn’t a major crisis, what is?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:44:43pm

re: #116 danarchy

Didn’t Colorado go with an all mail-in voting model? I don’t think she has a choice.

Colorado still has polling places for people who want to use them.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:45:25pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

This sounds too much like we’re trying to tell folks that at least there’s cheese on that shit sandwich they’re being asked to bite into.

And hounding Manchin into the GOP would accomplish what, exactly? You still wouldn’t pass any more bills, you would stop the flow of diverse judges onto the federal bench, and the Senate would immediately counterprogram the January 6 committee with hearings on Hunter Biden.

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:46:35pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

Joe Manchin said your kid and millions of others can’t have free community college because he didn’t want to raise taxes. And the party leadership went along with what he wanted.

In what way? I’m sorry, but this is what’s annoying to me. Manchin is the 50th vote. There is no “not going Manchin’s way.” If we’re talking about reality here, that is a big one.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:47:04pm

re: #140 Skip Intro

If the attempted overturning of the election wasn’t a major crisis, what is?

Civil war.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:48:36pm

re: #144 No Malarkey!

Civil war.

We can think of J6 as Bleeding Kansas.

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:48:43pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

This sounds too much like we’re trying to tell folks that at least there’s cheese on that shit sandwich they’re being asked to bite into.

And your comment is exactly why people think Democrats don’t do anything. What do you think people hear, Democrats accomplished some things, or Democrats didn’t accomplish everything so they accomplished nothing? We know it’s the latter, because that’s what happened with the ACA.

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BeachDem  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:48:55pm

re: #131 Teddy’s Person

The best good news that I saw today is that Diane Nash is among the Medal of Freedom Recipients.

She was one of the organizers of the Freedom Rides. After the first wave of riders, John Seigenthaler called her on behalf of the Kennedy Administration to talk her out of organizing more rides. He told her that it was really dangerous. She answered that they were all well aware and all had made out their wills.

I show parts of the Freedom Riders documentary and Seigenthaler recounts this story. It’s a gut punch every time I see it. College kids, making their wills.

Who the hell is Diane Nash?

Youtube Video

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:49:44pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

She is so fucking useless.

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retired cynic  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:50:16pm
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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:51:17pm

I still want to know how Biden could have wiped out most if not all of the federal college loan debt with an executive order, especially one that doesn’t allow Republicans to borrow $2T, hand it to their best buds as loans, and then president DeSantis waives it.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:51:45pm

re: #149 retired cynic

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That kitty is me after an evening of smokin’ legal.

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:52:20pm

re: #142 No Malarkey!

And hounding Manchin into the GOP would accomplish what, exactly? You still wouldn’t pass any more bills, you would stop the flow of diverse judges onto the federal bench, and the Senate would immediately counterprogram the January 6 committee with hearings on Hunter Biden.

So instead we watch an inactive Senate constantly moan about how it can’t do anything because it doesn’t have the votes, while being told that things would be “so much worse” if we actually tried to apply the least bit of pressure on the roadblocks to anything being done. This is only a single step below “We have 59 votes and the ability to abolish the filibuster to get shit done, BUT WHAT IF THE REPUBS WIN THE NEXT ELECTION!?!”

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Dopamine Fish  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:52:30pm

re: #151 Teddy’s Person

That kitty is me after an evening of smokin’ legal.

Speaking of legal, TIL that Minnesota passed a law allowing THC-containing edibles and beverages, and it takes effect today! We might have to start looking into some things.

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:53:01pm

And yes, in a normal year, Biden’s deal would have been an under the radar thing that wouldn’t have amounted to much. Now, though, I sure hope he doesn’t do it.

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Skip Intro  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:53:57pm

re: #144 No Malarkey!

Civil war.

Isn’t that why Justice isn’t going after Trump?

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Dangerman  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:56:19pm

re: #140 Skip Intro

If the attempted overturning of the election wasn’t a major crisis, what is?

any constructive way forward is elusive, let alone even possible, when half* the country is not an honest player in ‘the game’.

weve discussed time and again that the R’s went off the rails 10, 20, 40 years ago - depending on your perspective and what you feel is the watershed moment

in one sense, of course 1/6 was / is a major crisis
but half the country ‘supports’ it

so it’s not the kind of crisis that points to a way forward

* it’s less than half in terms of population, and outsides in their representational power.
but as a practical matter, the problem is one of the two parties, so half.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:56:38pm

re: #116 danarchy

Didn’t Colorado go with an all mail-in voting model? I don’t think she has a choice.

Most places in Nebraska are mail-in voting with no choice to go to a polling place. This red state is actually more all-in on mail voting than Colorado. Same with Utah.

My county routinely has a turnout north of 80% thanks to mail in voting.

If Democrats started making big gains in this state, mail voting would be out in an instant, because the purpose is conserving power. As long as mail voting does that, then we have mail voting. The second it works against them, mail voting goes away.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:56:54pm

Tomorrow’s Wordle is what happens when you use a pitching wedge on the green.

Wordle 378 4/6

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Stupid, stupid mistake in line three.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:58:00pm

re: #147 Beach Dem

Who the hell is Diane Nash?

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Video

Thanks for posting that. I highly recommend this documentary for any who hasn’t seen it. There’s a great section on the Freedom Riders in Parchman Prison.

Another great documentary is The Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution.

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KingKenrod  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:58:46pm

Couldn’t Pelosi and Schumer just adjourn Congress for three days and let Biden make all the recess appointments he wants?

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Mike Lamb  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:59:00pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

They’re STILL doing it.

To the extent that McConnell will shit on any “agreement”, they’re right.

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:59:15pm

re: #156 Dangerman

any constructive way forward is elusive, let alone even possible, when half* the country is not an honest player in ‘the game’.

weve discussed time and again that the R’s went off the rails 10, 20, 40 years ago - depending on your perspective and what you feel is the watershed moment

in one sense, of course 1/6 was / is a major crisis
but half the country ‘supports’ it

so it’s not the kind of crisis that points to a way forward

* it’s less than half in terms of population, and outsides in their representational power.
but as a practical matter, the problem is one of the two parties, so half.

Probably 2/3 of the country still has this idea that it failed and that the whole concept is too abstract for it to have any effect on them.

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 12:59:43pm

re: #146 Belafon

And your comment is exactly why people think Democrats don’t do anything. What do you think people hear, Democrats accomplished some things, or Democrats didn’t accomplish everything so they accomplished nothing? We know it’s the latter, because that’s what happened with the ACA.

Yeah, sorry, but at least I could tell my fence-sitting friends and acquaintances that the ACA was worthwhile and educate them about its value. The ACA was how I was able to afford health insurance for the first time in my adult life. Judges ain’t doin’ a thing to put food on my table or gas in my car, especially if we’re grumbling after this week that it doesn’t matter what those judges say if the SCOTUS majority can rule by fiat.

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:00:08pm

re: #160 KingKenrod

Couldn’t Pelosi and Schumer just adjourn Congress for three days and let Biden make all the recess appointments he wants?

I think Republicans can stick around and prevent any nominations from happening.

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:05:45pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

Yeah, sorry, but at least I could tell my fence-sitting friends and acquaintances that the ACA was worthwhile and educate them about its value. The ACA was how I was able to afford health insurance for the first time in my adult life. Judges ain’t doin’ a thing to put food on my table or gas in my car, especially if we’re grumbling after this week that it doesn’t matter what those judges say if the SCOTUS majority can rule by fiat.

And I’m not sure there’s anything that can be done if they can’t understand that Manchin was probably jumping for joy at his state being able to be allowed to pump more carbon in the air, and that he cares more about his yacht than his voters and they like him for that.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:06:47pm

Yummy. My wife just made me a nice overstuffed omelette. I’m sorry I didn’t get a foodie picture; I ate it too quickly. /s

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Teddy's Person  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:07:45pm

re: #160 KingKenrod

Couldn’t Pelosi and Schumer just adjourn Congress for three days and let Biden make all the recess appointments he wants?

From SCOTUSbLog

Is a recess appointment to the Court an option? (UPDATED)

tldr: It’s complicated

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:07:55pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

Yeah, sorry, but at least I could tell my fence-sitting friends and acquaintances that the ACA was worthwhile and educate them about its value. The ACA was how I was able to afford health insurance for the first time in my adult life. Judges ain’t doin’ a thing to put food on my table or gas in my car, especially if we’re grumbling after this week that it doesn’t matter what those judges say if the SCOTUS majority can rule by fiat.

Republicans are coming to arrest your wives, daughters, and mothers.

Fear is a great motivator to drive the vote.

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William Lewis  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:08:36pm

So, anyway, in hobby news:

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:09:42pm

My oldest daughter is visiting for the weekend, with her husband & 2 youngest kids.

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:10:13pm

re: #168 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Republicans are coming to arrest your wives, daughters, and mothers.

Fear is a great motivator to drive the vote.

And take away the ACA.

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:10:20pm

re: #168 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Republicans are coming to arrest your wives, daughters, and mothers.

Fear is a great motivator to drive the vote.

2016 told us that there’s way too many fucking people in this nation that cannot be convinced that the leopard will eat their faces until they’re already being gnawed on. There’s millions of our fellow Americans living in blue and purple states who are being told that the leopard cannot get to them or that the state will not allow the leopard to eat their faces.

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Dangerman  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:11:49pm

re: #156 Dangerman

The complicated business of democratic politics is to negotiate agreements between groups with different interests. The objective is finding a common way forward. It requires principled opponents clashing about value systems, each of which is in some way valid; a competition between basically well-intentioned people who see the world somewhat differently.

At present mostly only large and small D democrats buy into this premise.

Meanwhile, Republicans are dismissive of the legitimacy of their political opposition. They do not market any notion of participatory politics but rather authoritarian and dictatorial power, domination, and force of will. (yes, i mostly agree with anymouse on this)

It isn’t only because what the parties want is diametrically opposed..that’s what negotiating and compromise are - i.e. raise taxes on the rich vs lower taxes in the rich.

It’s because the Rs want total power to do whatever they feel like doing. To get that, they want the complete destruction of the Ds. (Sound like anybody?)

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:11:50pm

re: #170 The Pie Overlord!

They look absolutely yummy and in my favorite flavor too.

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:13:00pm

re: #165 Belafon

And I’m not sure there’s anything that can be done if they can’t understand that Manchin was probably jumping for joy at his state being able to be allowed to pump more carbon in the air, and that he cares more about his yacht than his voters and they like him for that.

I’m big on analogies today, so think of Manchin as the total asshole in your circle of friends. He does shit constantly that pisses off people around you, but you don’t want to lose him as a friend so you either keep quiet or you make excuses for him. Can you blame those people he’s pissing off if they think you’re every bit the asshole he is no matter how much you insist you’re not?

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Dangerman  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:13:24pm

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Yummy. My wife just made me a nice overstuffed omelette. I’m sorry I didn’t get a foodie picture; I ate it too quickly. /s

no pics, it didnt happen //

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steve_davis  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:14:59pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

Joe Manchin said your kid and millions of others can’t have free community college because he didn’t want to raise taxes. And the party leadership went along with what he wanted.

what were they supposed to do? pass it with 49 votes?

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:15:38pm

I know this whole thing is way in the hierarchy of importance of J6, but it made me laugh. Also, Nicolle Wallace just reminded us that Mark Meadows claimed in his book that Trump had no interest in going to the Capitol.

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BeachDem  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:17:28pm

re: #159 Teddy’s Person

Thanks for posting that. I highly recommend this documentary for any who hasn’t seen it. There’s a great section on the Freedom Riders in Parchman Prison.

Another great documentary is The Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution.

I love the Freedom Riders doc, as well as Freedom Summer. Have watched both several times and sat nieces and nephews down to watch them (need to check out The Black Panthers)

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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:20:08pm

re: #152 Targetpractice

So instead we watch an inactive Senate constantly moan about how it can’t do anything because it doesn’t have the votes, while being told that things would be “so much worse” if we actually tried to apply the least bit of pressure on the roadblocks to anything being done. This is only a single step below “We have 59 votes and the ability to abolish the filibuster to get shit done, BUT WHAT IF THE REPUBS WIN THE NEXT ELECTION!?!”

Politics sucks, democracy is messy, the glass is always half empty, and it would be so much easier if Biden could just rule by decree. The modern electorate is driven by negative polarization; we have to scare people to the polls, which the GOP has just made a lot easier with their radical abortion policies. The Democrats passed a terrific infrastructure bill and are getting lots of diverse judges confirmed. We have to unify and fight like hell to hold Congress, because the GOP has its eyes on the prize: absolute power to impose a fascist theocracy.

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Targetpractice  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:20:32pm

re: #177 steve_davis

what were they supposed to do? pass it with 49 votes?

Better question is why we were in that position in the first fucking place. How did we get from discussions about abolishing the filibuster to pass a $6 trillion bill that would cover soft and hard infrastructure to talking about how it was impossible to pass the former because we “didn’t have the votes”?

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Teddy's Person  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:20:56pm

re: #179 BeachDem

I love the Freedom Riders doc, as well as Freedom Summer. Have watched both several times and sat nieces and nephews down to watch them (need to check out The Black Panthers)

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No Malarkey!  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:22:14pm

re: #155 Skip Intro

Isn’t that why Justice isn’t going after Trump?

We don’t know that Justice isn’t going after Trump. Getting warrants to seize the electronic devices of his lawyers suggests it is.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:23:18pm

re: #179 BeachDem

(need to check out The Black Panthers)

If you need enticement, there’s a surprise (to me at least) twist at the end.

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Dangerman  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:24:34pm
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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:24:35pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

Better question is why we were in that position in the first fucking place. How did we get from discussions about abolishing the filibuster to pass a $6 trillion bill that would cover soft and hard infrastructure to talking about how it was impossible to pass the former because we “didn’t have the votes”?

It’s funny how the answer to so many of your questions is Manchin. And I hate that it’s one person, but it is one person (actually, it’s two, but most of the time it’s Manchin), and we have no margin for error.

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BeachDem  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:24:56pm

re: #182 Teddy’s Person

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:27:30pm

The Nebraska Medical Association strongly opposed bill LB933 (the total abortion ban in February).

Now they are “negotiating” with the Republicans to try to find a way forward to allow some abortions to be banned but not others. Since February, there is a new chair of the NMA and he is a conservative first and a physician second. Any place conservatives can gather power they will. It doesn’t have to be government.

His voice mail box is full today.

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BeachDem  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:29:14pm

re: #184 Teddy’s Person

If you need enticement, there’s a surprise (to me at least) twist at the end.

Put it in my Prime queue

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Dangerman  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:30:58pm

re: #186 Belafon

It’s funny how the answer to so many of your questions is Manchin. And I hate that it’s one person, but it is one person (actually, it’s two, but most of the time it’s Manchin), and we have no margin for error.

it is two, but you’re right it’s mostly manchin

because sinema is playing a coy game letting him take the heat while she hides behind him poking her head around saying ‘me too’, as if that takes any kind of courage.

if manchin changed his mind on anything, leaving her the sole ‘objecting’ vote, i dont think she’s got what it takes to stand on her ‘principles’ all by her lonesome

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Belafon  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:36:18pm

re: #191 Dangerman

it is two, but you’re right it’s mostly manchin

because sinema is playing a coy game letting him take the heat while she hides behind him poking her head around saying ‘me too’, as if that takes any kind of courage.

if manchin changed his mind on anything, leaving her the sole ‘objecting’ vote, i dont think she’s got what it takes to stand on her ‘principles’ all by her lonesome

Wasn’t there something during the infrastructure debate where she went against an agreement Manchin made? Like raising taxes or something?

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steve_davis  Jul 1, 2022 • 1:44:03pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

Better question is why we were in that position in the first fucking place. How did we get from discussions about abolishing the filibuster to pass a $6 trillion bill that would cover soft and hard infrastructure to talking about how it was impossible to pass the former because we “didn’t have the votes”?

we got to that place because manchin and sinema a)refused to consider filibuster reform and b)make up two votes in a 50 vote coalition. If we hadn’t experienced the January Miracle in Atlanta, we wouldn’t be getting anything passed, and we wouldn’t be getting any judges confirmed, because we wouldn’t even hold the senate.

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darthstar  Jul 1, 2022 • 3:35:10pm

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