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Crush White Nationalism  Jul 3, 2022 • 10:39:21am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 3, 2022 • 10:41:28am

Following the death of my mother-in-law, we ended up with a third bedroom that is no longer being used.

As a result, I’ve spent considerable time the last several weeks converting the space into my first ever Man Cave.

It will officially be done later today when my Amazon delivery gets here.

I think I’m really going to enjoy this little space. Pics to come later. 😎

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jul 3, 2022 • 10:45:43am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

Following the death of my mother-in-law, we ended up with a third bedroom that is no longer being used.

As a result, I’ve spent considerable time the last several weeks converting the space into my first ever Man Cave.

It will officially be done later today when my Amazon delivery gets here.

I think I’m really going to enjoy this little space. Pics to come later. 😎

I guess the 2nd bedroom in my apartment has effectively been that for a while. Computer, office filing cabinet, 2-3 bookcases of books (Sci-Fi, Naval History, RPG games). And a closet of boxes with board games in them. (Though a bunch of those are in another closet now.)

Part of the space is the cat’s. Her cat tree by the window. Toy box in the closet and a scattering of other things.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 3, 2022 • 10:46:37am

All of a sudden, the GOP is kissing the ass of Jeff Bezos because of one anti-Biden tweet.

This would be the same GOP that regularly rails against the evils of “big tech”.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2022 • 10:47:42am

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

All of a sudden, the GOP is kissing the ass of Jeff Bezos because of one anti-Biden tweet.

This would be the same GOP that regularly rails against the evils of “big tech”.

When I looked at the trending tweets it seemed about every third one mentioned Milton Friedman. Those guys.

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John Hughes  Jul 3, 2022 • 10:57:20am

Sierra Leone has just announced that it will be decriminalizing abortions.

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Teukka  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:11:28am

DEVELOPING STORY: Mass shooting in “Fields” mall in Copenhagen.
1+ dead, 3+ hospitalized, 1 perp apprehended, 1 possible perp still at large. Fluid situation. Police working to evac mall patrons. Police presser at 20:45 local (it is now 20:11).

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:13:43am

re: #7 Teukka

Glad they got the suspect into custody so quickly. Of course, that’s only a photo of him from the back, but he looks like kind of a schlub.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:18:09am

re: #7 Teukka

Even in Europe one cannot go to the mall anymore.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:19:18am

re: #7 Teukka

If only all the shoppers had guns…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:21:24am
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John Hughes  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:27:55am

re: #7 Teukka

So, my immediate first thought, is this Copenhagen, New York, or Copenhagen, Louisiana, but surely they’re both to small to have a mall…

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JC1  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:31:06am

re: #12 John Hughes

So, my immediate first thought, is this Copenhagen, New York, or Copenhagen, Louisiana, but surely they’re both to small to have a mall…

Only 1 dead? This wouldn’t even make the local news in the US.

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:33:37am

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

If only all the shoppers had guns…

One door….

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HRH Stanley Sea  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:34:14am
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No Malarkey!  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:34:28am

Stranger Things mild spoiler

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Teukka  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:34:50am

re: #7 Teukka

DEVELOPING STORY: Mass shooting in “Fields” mall in Copenhagen.
1+ dead, 3+ hospitalized, 1 perp apprehended, 1 possible perp still at large. Fluid situation. Police working to evac mall patrons. Police presser at 20:45 local (it is now 20:11).

Video of shooter. NSFW in the sense of shots fired. No gore.

Iframe

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:35:51am

re: #15 HRH Stanley Sea

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We had one of those “jungle gyms.” With about as much oversight.

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Teukka  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:36:30am

re: #17 Teukka

Video of shooter. NSFW in the sense of shots fired. No gore.

[Embedded content]

Gunman kept shouting “it’s not real”.

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:38:01am

re: #18 Barefoot Grin

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one sandy kids hand and its all over

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:38:13am

re: #19 Teukka

In his mind it was not real.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:38:16am

Ha

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Charles Johnson  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:40:14am
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:40:51am

re: #15 HRH Stanley Sea

Sally is heading to the neighbors where there is a competitive game of yard darts going on.

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Teukka  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:42:10am

re: #19 Teukka

Gunman kept shouting “it’s not real”.

Unconfirmed. NOTE: Unconfirmed.
“Rygtet går på, at der har været 4 gerningsmænd, som primært har skudt efter personer med en anden etnisk baggrund end dansk.”
“Rumor that there’s been 4 perps, who have primarily shot at people with a different ethnicity than danish.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:43:36am

re: #25 Teukka

In best Arte Johnson voice: Interesting, Very interesting.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:45:13am
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nines09  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:45:20am

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:45:39am

re: #17 Teukka

Hard to say exactly, but his firearm looks like a classic deer-hunting rifle.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:45:39am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:47:55am
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Teukka  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:48:23am

re: #29 Dr Lizardo

Hard to say exactly, but his firearm looks like a classic deer-hunting rifle.

But still, CPH police appears to have gone into full scale incident mode…

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:51:20am

re: #32 Teukka

But still, CPH police appears to have gone into full scale incident mode…

Of course, that’s to be expected. They’d be grossly negligent if they didn’t.

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Teukka  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:51:44am

CPH Mass Shooting 22 years old ethnical Dane in custody. (Sauce: CPH Police Presser)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:51:59am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:54:33am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

That should be very interesting.

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Teukka  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:56:07am

re: #34 Teukka

CPH Mass Shooting 22 years old ethnical Dane in custody. (Sauce: CPH Police Presser)

CPH Police Presser Redux:
The concert nearby has now been canceled.
PC starting.
17.30 CPH police were informed of a shooting. Could confirm that there had been a shooting. Multiple hurt and multiple dead.
One suspect in custody.
Massive presence all over Copenhagen.
If you have information or videos, contact CPH Police on 114.
They request that stores secure potential CCTV footage so that they can use it.
They don’t have indications that multiple actors were involved.
They are still confirming the number of dead and wounded.
They can’t rule terror out.
Massive operation in Copenhagen and all of Sjælland.
They hope that it’s only one suspect.
22 years old ethnical Dane in custody.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:56:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 11:58:57am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:00:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:02:28pm
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The GOP is a racist terrorist organization  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:02:34pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:02:45pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sounds like someone is trying to get on DT’s good side. I do not think DT has a good side.

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jaunte  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:04:15pm

re: #43 PhillyPretzel

He’s a bolus of circumference.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:10:06pm

WASHINGTON, D.C. (WKRC) - A new Gallup poll found that a record-low number of US adults are extremely proud to be American.

It shows just 38% say they are “extremely proud” to be American and 27% say they are “very proud,” for a total of 65% of adults expressing pride in the nation.

The amount of Americans who feel extremely proud is at a historical low, down from 42% in 2020. However, the 65% who expressed pride is up two points from its lowest rate, which was also recorded in 2020.

Another 22% in the most recent poll say they are “moderately proud” and 9% are “only a little proud,” while 4% are “not at all” proud.

According to the poll, extreme national pride has been trending downward since 2015, before which, the lowest rate was 55% in 2001.

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Teukka  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:13:21pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why do I fear that this may increase instances of RightWing violence?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:14:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:14:54pm

re: #46 Teukka

Why do I fear that this may increase instances of RightWing violence?

right wingers don’t need an excuse anymore

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Crush White Nationalism  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:15:30pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anyone who’s extremely proud of their country either lives in a miracle of a country, or is a dumbass that’s been conditioned to be extremely proud of their country right or wrong.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:19:11pm

re: #49 Crush White Nationalism

You can like a place while still having some gripes about it.

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:21:32pm

re: #42 The GOP is a racist terrorist organization

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The country is free
The people,, not so much

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:22:29pm
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Crush White Nationalism  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:22:51pm

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

You can like a place while still having some gripes about it.

In which case you wouldn’t be extremely proud.

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Teukka  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:24:15pm

re: #37 Teukka

CPH Police Presser Redux:
The concert nearby has now been canceled.
PC starting.
17.30 CPH police were informed of a shooting. Could confirm that there had been a shooting. Multiple hurt and multiple dead.
One suspect in custody.
Massive presence all over Copenhagen.
If you have information or videos, contact CPH Police on 114.
They request that stores secure potential CCTV footage so that they can use it.
They don’t have indications that multiple actors were involved.
They are still confirming the number of dead and wounded.
They can’t rule terror out.
Massive operation in Copenhagen and all of Sjælland.
They hope that it’s only one suspect.
22 years old ethnical Dane in custody.

Tentatively identified pep may be nuttier than a fruitcake. Please note that this does not preclude extremism or terrorism.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:24:56pm

I step out of the room for a few minutes and now my Karma is over 68,000. Whomever did it thanks. And that means tonight there will be a buffet. :)

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Charles Johnson  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:27:22pm
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nines09  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:27:25pm

This always hits me. Susan and Derek and that band just kill me. Saw them once. I’ll see them again.

Youtube Video

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:29:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:33:12pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:36:59pm

I have a question for those who are coin collectors. Amazon has rolls of new dollars that feature American Innovations. The one for my home state of PA is the polio vaccine which was developed by Jonas Salk at the University of Pittsburgh. Do you think it is worth it to get one roll?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:37:56pm
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Crush White Nationalism  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:41:21pm
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John Hughes  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:43:34pm

re: #37 Teukka

22 years old ethnical Dane in custody.

code for “it’s a right-wing terrorist, not Daech or Al Qaeda “

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Teukka  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:45:22pm

re: #63 John Hughes

code for “it’s a right-wing terrorist, not Daech or Al Qaeda “

Someone appears to have found the clowns YouTube channel, it’s very indicative of him being seriously unwell. However, that does not preclude extremism or terrorism at all.

I know of a case where an unwell individual was an religious right-wing extremist with a neuropsychiatric disorder diagnosis who on top of it all was a child molester. Who got nabbed for planning terrorism.

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John Hughes  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:50:38pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now VA Gov. Youngkin has appointed him to reduce regulations, which will help industry.

look, as someone of a left wing bent who has been involved in “industry” in worker, management and capitalist positions.

No, reducing regulations doesn’t “help industry”.

It helps shitty companies that would see the world burn for a quick profit.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:52:38pm
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John Hughes  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:56:33pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Proud to be an American”.

Ah, fuck, I can’t even.

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nines09  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:56:53pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

And Billy Buttfuck knows when his ship comes in and he’s riding high, his taxes will be lower thanks to the GOP taking care of “taxpayers”.
Really. I’m out of shits to give.
But minimum wage raises, increases in Veteran Care, Social Security and Medicare along with drug cost reductions are just to darned expensive and these people have to learn to make do.
Wanting something for nothing….Damn Socialists.

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Teukka  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:58:37pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 3, 2022 • 12:58:49pm

re: #65 John Hughes

look, as someone of a left wing bent who has been involved in “industry” in worker, management and capitalist positions.

No, reducing regulations doesn’t “help industry”.

It helps shitty companies that would see the world burn for a quick profit.

It’s also a tremendous loss to ditch a national Safety/Environmental/Health regulation and make companies comply with 50 or more state versions.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:01:55pm

re: #60 PhillyPretzel

I have a question for those who are coin collectors. Amazon has rolls of new dollars that feature American Innovations. The one for my home state of PA is the polio vaccine which was developed by Jonas Salk at the University of Pittsburgh. Do you think it is worth it to get one roll?

Great selection for PA, but I don’t know if a whole roll is more useful than a few, unless you want to distribute to friends/family.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:06:08pm
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A Cranky One  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:07:34pm

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sagehen  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:07:47pm

re: #67 John Hughes

“Proud to be an American”.

Ah, fuck, I can’t even.

Youtube Video

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:12:02pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

RW John: “Newsom has declared open season on men who cater to those who prefer younger company! You’ll see these bold entrepreneurs shot down in the street!”

Rational person: “So? Is there a downside?”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:14:08pm
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Grunthos the Flatulent  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:14:27pm

Tomorrow’s Wordle is a solid par 4.

Wordle 380 4/6

⬛🟨⬛🟨🟨
⬛⬛🟨🟩🟩
🟩⬛🟨🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

Middle sister started with an anagram of my opener, and the rest of her game played out identically to mine.

Looks like I was wrong about yesterday’s/today’s being par five. Lots of fours.

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retired cynic  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:20:22pm
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John Hughes  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:24:59pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

It’s also a tremendous loss to ditch a national Safety/Environmental/Health regulation and make companies comply with 50 or more state versions.

See, for eg, Brexit.

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retired cynic  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:27:22pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

whoa!!

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nines09  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:27:43pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

Deserved.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:28:07pm

re: #79 John Hughes

See, for eg, Brexit.

Plus once an industry in your state pollutes a river that flows down into another state you can expect some lawsuits headed your way, including Federal ones.

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jaunte  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:29:12pm

The Women Who Leave Anti-Abortion Picket Lines to Get Abortions

“…A few days before the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last month, a woman who described herself as an anti-abortion activist showed up in the waiting room of Dr. Marissa Lapedis, a family-medicine doctor who performs the procedure in Atlanta.

But she wasn’t there to protest—she had an appointment.

“She talked about being in marches, and said she had spent a lot of time volunteering in crisis pregnancy centers—you know, showing patients the ultrasound image and explaining what happens,” Lapedis, a fellow with the group Physicians for Reproductive Health, told The Daily Beast. “She said she had been anti-abortion her whole life, and that her whole family was like her—and yet she was so appreciative of the care she received from us. She literally was like, ‘I’m so grateful that I’m able to make this choice for myself.’”
thedailybeast.com

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John Hughes  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:29:14pm

re: #74 sagehen

My sadness is that I have only one upding to give.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:29:27pm
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steve_davis  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:32:02pm

re: #13 JC1

Only 1 dead? This wouldn’t even make the local news in the US.

i was gonna say, here one dead barely qualifies as target practice.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:32:07pm

More on the Newsom pardons:

Kruzan was among nearly three dozen people granted pardons and clemencies by the governor this week, a list that included 82-year-old Henry Pachnowski, who was born to Polish parents who were later imprisoned in Nazi labor camps in World War II.
*snip*

Newsom also pardoned Pachnowski, who now lives in Maryland. He pleaded guilty in 1967 in Orange County to a misdemeanor charge of soliciting a lewd act and was sentenced to 10 days in jail and three years of probation.

In his pardon application, Pachnowski said he was having consensual “intimacy” with another man in a car in a deserted industrial area when they were caught by a security guard who “said we had gone against God and nature.”

He said he pleaded guilty to avoid prosecution on a more serious charge of “sex perversion.”

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Teukka  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:33:58pm

re: #86 steve_davis

i was gonna say, here one dead barely qualifies as target practice.

“Multiple” dead according to local media.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:35:18pm
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nines09  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:35:53pm

Drop and run

Youtube Video

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steve_davis  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:36:19pm

re: #18 Barefoot Grin

We had one of those “jungle gyms.” With about as much oversight.

[Embedded content]

our jungle gym in elementary school was up on a freakin’ secluded hill. if anyone had broken a limb on it, it was a 5 minute run for someone back to the main building.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:44:53pm

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

You can like a place while still having some gripes about it.

I’ve always considered certain descriptive words of people, such as patriot, hero, kind, loving, generous, humble, &c to be descriptions which are bestowed upon you, not something to claim for yourself.

You sometimes see that. A news presenter interviewing a woman who just saved three drowning children: “People around town are praising your heroic act,” with a response like “I just did what needed to be done. I wasn’t really thinking about it.”

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retired cynic  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:47:01pm

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:48:26pm

re: #93 retired cynic

That is beautiful.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:51:04pm

re: #53 Crush White Nationalism

In which case you wouldn’t be extremely proud.

Perfection is stagnation. You can be proud of it and still want more improvement. The pride can be rooted in the ability of the people to make improvements.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:52:40pm

re: #83 jaunte

That whole article. Wow.

Abortion providers across the country are reeling from the fall of Roe, and some face the prospect of legal reprisal from law enforcement in their own state or even other states where patients need help. Almost inevitably, they are reflecting on the many patients they’ve seen who came in for a service they claimed to fervently oppose—and in some cases actively protested against.

“All of us who do abortions see patients quite regularly who tell us, ‘I’m not pro-choice, but I just can’t continue this pregnancy,’” said Dr. Sarah Prager, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Washington. “We’ve even seen people coming into the clinic off the protester lines to get their abortion, then return to protesting outside the clinic.” And to be clear, she added, “These are not people who turn anti-choice after having an abortion, but who simply access this essential service when they need it in spite of their personal beliefs about abortion in general.”

According to Prager, the phenomenon is so common that abortion providers have a name for it: the Me Exception.

”We in the movement often say people believe abortion should be legal in cases of rape, incest and ‘me,’ meaning whatever reason is relevant for that person,” she said. And yet, she noted, of the many surveys describing how Americans view abortion, virtually none reflect that reality.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:56:08pm

re: #60 PhillyPretzel

I have a question for those who are coin collectors. Amazon has rolls of new dollars that feature American Innovations. The one for my home state of PA is the polio vaccine which was developed by Jonas Salk at the University of Pittsburgh. Do you think it is worth it to get one roll?

en.wikipedia.org

The American Innovation Dollar is a United States Mint issue, running from 2018 to 2032. They are not being released into circulation, though they are legal tender. They are being released in bags or rolls.

The United States Mint does not profit from the coins; as a reseller, Amazon does. You can buy them directly from the Mint.

catalog.usmint.gov

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:56:54pm

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Thanks.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 1:59:21pm

re: #83 jaunte

The Women Who Leave Anti-Abortion Picket Lines to Get Abortions

“The only moral abortion is my abortion.”

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nines09  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:00:24pm

Gots to go good people.
One more.
Amy sang as naked as I’ve ever witnessed a singer play.
She stood in the light and gave it all she had.
Not sure if you get my drift, but her voice to be is lost to us.

I miss what could have, should have been.
But we have what we have.

Youtube Video

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:03:56pm

re: #78 retired cynic

My estimation that this would be over by the end of September if not earlier may not be exactly right. I still think anyone that believes:

A. The Russians will “win”… something
2. This will last years.
D. That the Russians will then have the ability to go after parts or all of the rest of Europe

Is drinking Draino.

The only reason they haven’t completely collapsed yet is their one master ability: The ability to puff out their chests and unleash a tsunami of bullshit. Eventually the reality of this will overcome the tidal wave of bullshit coming from the Kremlin and their assets in Russia media and around the world. The longer it takes, the worse it will be for Russia.

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sagehen  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:16:59pm

re: #83 jaunte

The Women Who Leave Anti-Abortion Picket Lines to Get Abortions

I wish it was legal to name them publicly.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:17:58pm

re: #96 Eclectic Cyborg

They’ve actually been doing this for decades. A conservative only cares when it affects them personally.

prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org
(September 2000)

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:19:17pm

re: #6 John Hughes

Sierra Leone has just announced that it will be decriminalizing abortions.

Unexpected. Great!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:22:09pm

re: #102 sagehen

I wish it was legal to name them publicly.

With HIPAA potentially on the block now that Roe is gone, it might become legal (along with a whole host of other privacy-related issues, such as searching your credit card information). That said, ethical physicians wouldn’t do it anyway. On the other hand, Fascist Party states may compel physicians or insurance companies to turn over your information (Florida already tried that a few years ago on women seeking child support and publishing names of the hoors in the newspaper).

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:23:14pm

re: #105 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Cool. Then we can keep asking MGT if she’s gotten the “jab”.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:25:11pm

re: #83 jaunte

I wouldn’t treat her. These are the women who vote for forced birther politicians and look at where we are now. How many women will be forced into back alleys because of these hypocrites?

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Jay C  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:27:38pm

re: #91 steve_davis

our jungle gym in elementary school was up on a freakin’ secluded hill. if anyone had broken a limb on it, it was a 5 minute run for someone back to the main building.

And a slightly longer and slower journey for the victim.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:31:17pm

but not for long:

they even fucked up their retreat:

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:33:38pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

Excuse me for saying it; it serves them right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:34:36pm
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jeffreyw  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:34:57pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:35:16pm

re: #107 Patricia Kayden

I wouldn’t treat her. These are the women who vote for forced birther politicians and look at where we are now. How many women will be forced into back alleys because of these hypocrites?

From the Pro-Choice Action Network above, there are stories of physicians outright refusing to treat such a person. No abortion provider has ever been sued for not providing an abortion, and physicians note such people tend not to do the necessary follow-up care.

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JC1  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:36:56pm

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

They’ve actually been doing this for decades. A conservative only cares when it affects them personally.

prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org
(September 2000)

A lack of empathy is a major predictor of being a ‘conservative’.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:37:25pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am extremely proud of some Americans such as Dr. King and John Brown but why does anyone need to be “extremely proud” of being any nationality? Patriotism is a good thing but some people take it too far. There are many wonderful countries on this planet we call earth.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:39:13pm

re: #107 Patricia Kayden

I wouldn’t treat her. These are the women who vote for forced birther politicians and look at where we are now. How many women will be forced into back alleys because of these hypocrites?

Conservatives are not hypocrites. The idea “I get something and you don’t” is the basis of the exercise of power over others. This is why a conservative does not suffer cognitive dissonance about what is seeming hypocrisy when observed by a liberal.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:39:48pm

re: #113 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Good to hear!! I thought I was being petty. 😂

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:42:14pm
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ckkatz  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:44:56pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:48:45pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

When even God is fed up with your shit…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:48:58pm

sound on:

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:49:36pm

::: pulling room divider aside :::

Ladies and Gentlemen the buffet is open. Enjoy the meal.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:50:58pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow, just like my divorce because I’m demonically possessed due to epilepsy. I’m not looking forward to being put in a “home for the feeble-minded.”

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retired cynic  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:54:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:55:30pm
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Teukka  Jul 3, 2022 • 2:58:19pm

Sanity Break:

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:02:51pm

re: #120 ckkatz

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Yeah, I was reading it yesterday and set out right away to the library to get Gettysburg only to arrive and find that they are taking the whole weekend and Monday (of course) off.

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jeffreyw  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:05:39pm

Chicken noodle with grilled egg and cheese

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:06:52pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:07:53pm

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William Lewis  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:14:21pm

re: #120 ckkatz

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retired cynic  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:15:11pm

dailykos.com

Roberts joins dissent blasting extremist Supreme Court conservatives for abusing the shadow docket

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:17:59pm

re: #129 Barefoot Grin

Yeah, I was reading it yesterday and set out right away to the library to get Gettysburg only to arrive and find that they are taking the whole weekend and Monday (of course) off.

If you’re interested in Gettysburg, Michael Shaara’s The Killer Angels is one of the best things you can read. Also available on Kindle, and if your library uses Libby, you can get it there, too.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:22:32pm

re: #135 retired cynic

dailykos.com

Roberts joins dissent blasting extremist Supreme Court conservatives for abusing the shadow docket

I mean why not. He already helped overturn RvW.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:23:27pm

re: #137 GlutenFreeJesus

He’s just desperately trying to salvage his reputation at this point.

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sizzzzlerz  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:28:09pm

re: #60 PhillyPretzel

I have a question for those who are coin collectors. Amazon has rolls of new dollars that feature American Innovations. The one for my home state of PA is the polio vaccine which was developed by Jonas Salk at the University of Pittsburgh. Do you think it is worth it to get one roll?

Absolutely. Its worth $25 (assuming 25 coins per roll). They’re not rare and won’t be worth more than face value for a long time. Your best bet: give ‘em to kids.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:33:40pm

re: #133 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:35:31pm

re: #136 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

If you’re interested in Gettysburk, Michael Shaara’s The Killer Angels is one of the best things you can read. Also available on Kindle, and if your library uses Libby, you can get it there, too.

I’ll check it out. Thanks!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:36:15pm

And the first case of Republicans being allowed to deny election results has been handed down, in favour of fascism.

What The Hell Is Happening In Wisconsin? (Wonkette)

Not to be outdone by the US Supreme Court, the Wisconsin Supreme Court is, once again, back on its shit.

This week, the Wisconsin high court ruled 4-3 that Republican political appointees can refuse to leave and hold their offices for as long as they want, at least until a Republican is elected governor.

Yes, quite literally. The outcome in Wisconsin v. Prehn is a rule that will only benefit the justices’ fellow Republicans.

In 2015, Scott Walker appointed Frederick Prehn (who owns a gun shop, because of course he does) to the state Natural Resources Board. Board members serve staggered six-year terms, and Prehn’s term was up in 2021. Prehn, however, just decided he was going to stay in his seat, because fuck you is why. And since the Republican state Senate refused to confirm any of the Democratic governor’s appointees in his place, the state supreme court let him.

(more)

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William Lewis  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:36:53pm

re: #141 Barefoot Grin

I’ll check it out. Thanks!

Just so you’re aware, it is a novel. Reasonably close to history but still just an novel. The movie “Gettysburg” was based on it.

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retired cynic  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:42:09pm

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Good Grief!

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retired cynic  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:42:45pm

The PressThink interview linked to this thread is also well worth reading.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:42:48pm

re: #143 William Lewis

Just so you’re aware, it is a novel. Reasonably close to history but still just an novel. The movie “Gettysburg” was based on it.

“Just” a novel? Sir, you need to rethink that.

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Dopamine Fish  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:43:27pm

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And the first case of Republicans being allowed to deny election results has been handed down, in favour of fascism.

What The Hell Is Happening In Wisconsin? (Wonkette)

(more)

I’m sitting across the river from these crazies, and I’m actually kind of worried that hordes of armed Wisconsinites will form a militia and try to storm St. Paul at some point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:49:22pm
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Teukka  Jul 3, 2022 • 3:57:00pm

Middle-aged man, two “young people” killed, 3 critically injured, “several” non-critically injured as per latest CPH Police Presser. :’(

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ckkatz  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:04:03pm

re: #129 Barefoot Grin

Yeah, I was reading it yesterday and set out right away to the library to get Gettysburg only to arrive and find that they are taking the whole weekend and Monday (of course) off.

re: #129 Barefoot Grin

re: #136 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Yes, as noted by “A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!” above, some libraries provide online charging out of electronic books. Additionally I think that Amazon Prime users can sign up for a 90 day trial of Audible. One just has to remember to cancel before the end of the trial period.

There are indeed some excellent books on the Battle of Gettysburg and the Civil War as a whole.

However, one thing that I have noticed is that the Southern pro-Confederate crowd has much greater interest in the time period than the rest of the nation. And many authors write to that audience.

Years ago, I worked with a guy who did a lot of Civil War re-enacting. The re-enacting was also far popular with the Confederate side of things. For example at a Gettysburg re-enactment, as a Union re-enactor you could sign up the day of the reenactment. But the Confederate side was filled almost a year in advance.

I went to one of the historical e-enactments he was participating in. The final part of the historical battle involved the outnumbered Confederates withdrawing from the battlefield being pursued by the much larger Union forces.

The finale of the re-enactment involved close to 1000 Confederate re-enactors retreating from, perhaps, 200 Union re-enactors. As the narrator described the vastly outnumbered Confederate “forced withdrawal”.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:09:02pm

re: #143 William Lewis

Just so you’re aware, it is a novel. Reasonably close to history but still just an novel. The movie “Gettysburg” was based on it.

I’m a fan of good historical fiction.

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retired cynic  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:09:07pm

The Supreme Court Tells the 21st Century to Go Fuck Itself
rudepundit.blogspot.com

This session, the newly-ripened conservative supermajority of the Supreme Court of the United States decided it was time to lift up their robes and piss on the 21st century and reality. The half-dozen justices, John Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett, looked out at a nation, no, a world that demands progress, that demands care, that demands a government that can act to help people, and said, “Nah. Fuck that.” And their reasoning essentially came down to, in every case, “Because we can.”

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ckkatz  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:10:13pm

re: #134 William Lewis

Yes!

Meade had just been appointed head of the Army of the Potomac a couple of days before. The rest of his former Corps Commanders in that shark tank were already thinking of ways to get rid of him so they could get the promotion. His intention was likely just to remain on the current fortified lines in Maryland.

Buford basically made the decision that the Union Army would fight at Gettysburg. And Reynolds backed him up.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:13:09pm

I love when flank steak is on sale.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:15:02pm

re: #152 ckkatz

Yes, as noted by “A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!” above, some libraries provide online charging out of electronic books. Additionally I think that Amazon Prime users can sign up for a 90 day trial of Audible. One just has to remember to cancel before the end of the trial period.

There are indeed some excellent books on the Battle of Gettysburg and the Civil War as a whole.

However, one thing that I have noticed is that the Southern pro-Confederate crowd has much greater interest in the time period than the rest of the nation. And many authors write to that audience.

Years ago, I worked with a guy who did a lot of Civil War re-enacting. The re-enacting was also far popular with the Confederate side of things. For example at a Gettysburg re-enactment, as a Union re-enactor you could sign up the day of the reenactment. But the Confederate side was filled almost a year in advance.

I went to one of the historical e-enactments he was participating in. The final part of the historical battle involved the outnumbered Confederates withdrawing from the battlefield being pursued by the much larger Union forces.

The finale of the re-enactment involved close to 1000 Confederate re-enactors retreating from, perhaps, 200 Union re-enactors. As the narrator described the vastly outnumbered Confederate “forced withdrawal”.

A couple of years ago I heard an NPR-related program by a white reporter and Black reporter visiting Jefferson Davis’ home where they still hold re-enactments. They compared their experiences. It was a classic of the “lost cause” narrative that JD himself pioneered. Great discomfort at the questions posed by the Black reporter (even though there are lots of school field trips that always have large numbers of young Black students).

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:15:39pm

re: #156 GlutenFreeJesus

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I love when flank steak is on sale.

Jesus…but is it gluten-free?

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jaunte  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:18:02pm

Cheryl Rofer, via Lawyers Guns & Money:
The Pandemic Is Not Over

“…Alongside one of the January 6 hearings, the Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis, chaired by Representative James Clyburn, released a report, “The Atlas Dogma: The Trump Administration’s Embrace of a Dangerous and Discredited Herd Immunity Via Mass Infection Strategy.” It is based on interviews with Deborah Birx, Brett Giroir, and Robert Redfield, all of whom served in public health during the Donald Trump administration, and none of whom distinguished themselves as a public servant during that time. The report tells us that Scott Atlas, who was worse, began influencing the adminstration earlier than has been publicly known. He was brought in by Jared Kushner.”

“…As long as we keep the transmission up, we are all more endangered. The best way to slow it down would be with general masking, but apparently that’s not going to fly. We really do need more attention to improving ventilation in schools and other public places, and we need paid sick leave. (New Mexico’s law just went into effect!) But Congress and the Republican courts aren’t having it. They’re done with the pandemic.”

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:18:21pm

re: #156 GlutenFreeJesus

That looks good.

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ckkatz  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:20:33pm

re: #120 ckkatz

One thing that surprised me, when I realized it, about Pickett’s charge was that the 13,000 soldiers that Lee sent into the attack were just about every effective soldier he had left. I believe that he kept one division as a reserve, but that was all that he had left.

He did have probably an equivalent number or more of other remaining soldiers, but after three days of heavy fighting, they were exhausted, disorganized, unenthusiastic, and out of supplies.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:22:18pm

Out of nowhere comes a severe thunderstorm warning for most of the Nebraska Panhandle, including my village.

windy.com

NWS Weather Radio telling people to move indoors immediately due to frequent lightning, deadly hail, and torrential rain.

Right now here it’s partly cloudy. I expect my Internet and electricity will go out soon.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:22:32pm

re: #160 PhillyPretzel

This is a good base for a marinade. Depending on who is joining you, you can add parsley or cilantro (soap). Luckily I love cilantro. :)

foodandwine.com

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William Lewis  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:25:02pm

re: #161 ckkatz

One thing that surprised me, when I realized it, about Pickett’s charge was that the 13,000 soldiers that Lee sent into the attack were just about every effective soldier he had left. I believe that he kept one division as a reserve, but that was all that he had left.

He did have probably an equivalent number or more of other remaining soldiers, but after three days of heavy fighting, they were exhausted, disorganized, unenthusiastic, and out of supplies.

Likewise, I’ll have no business with the yahoos that say the Army of the Potomac should have gone chasing after the Confederates on July 4. They had their victory the enemy was retreating and would never really threaten the US again. Meanwhile our own army was in equal shambles after the hardest 3 days of their lives.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:25:34pm

So, one thing I’m confused about: is the case about how states select electors that SCOTUS will take up this fall basically about what DOJ is investigating Trump’s “false electors” about? What happens when these people are charged with crimes and then SCOTUS says, “well, actually…”?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:27:46pm

re: #163 GlutenFreeJesus

I would probably use parsley.

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ckkatz  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:28:22pm

re: #160 PhillyPretzel

That looks good.

Yes it does. And a great hunger seems to have overtaken me. So I must abandon my computer and forage for dinner.

And, since we are discussing things Southern, let me reference the famed Buckner letter:

thebucknerhome.com

The context:
thebucknerhome.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:28:54pm

re: #145 retired cynic

The PressThink interview linked to this thread is also well worth reading.

Radical Centrism (Wikipedia)

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:29:48pm

re: #166 PhillyPretzel

I would probably use parsley.

Cilantro here, only because wife loves it and kids and I tolerate. These days, I’m more of a salt/pepper only person, but for flank steak I think a good marinade is a better choice.

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Dopamine Fish  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:31:08pm

re: #164 William Lewis

Likewise, I’ll have no business with the yahoos that say the Army of the Potomac should have gone chasing after the Confederates on July 4. They had their victory the enemy was retreating and would never really threaten the US again. Meanwhile our own army was in equal shambles after the hardest 3 days of their lives.

War is hell. People don’t understand what a brutally physical conflict the Civil War was. Pickett’s Charge was, in fact, an actual charge - a dead run, under fire - and was met by a counter-charge with bayonets that degraded into a general brawl with swords, knives, and pistols. On July 4, nobody was in any condition to do any chasing. Meade had his victory, and his orders - protect DC - and he was between Lee and the capital. He had no reason to go anywhere.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:35:23pm

re: #154 retired cynic

The Supreme Court Tells the 21st Century to Go Fuck Itself
rudepundit.blogspot.com

Rude Pundit writes like I think.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:35:47pm

re: #167 ckkatz

Yes it does. And a great hunger seems to have overtaken me. So I must abandon my computer and forage for dinner.

And, since we are discussing things Southern, let me reference the famed Buckner letter:

thebucknerhome.com

The context:
thebucknerhome.com

Interesting. My deep rural Georgia grandfather liked whiskey but swore it off. Except for Christmas when they would make “syllabub” (sp?). It was a drink made with cream and sugar and usually wine. But my grandparents used bourbon. We usually went in the summer to visit, but once went for Christmas when I was in 8th grade. I was stoked about breaking the boredom with syllabub.

en.wikipedia.org

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:40:31pm

re: #136 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

If you’re interested in Gettysburg, Michael Shaara’s The Killer Angels is one of the best things you can read. Also available on Kindle, and if your library uses Libby, you can get it there, too.

As a novelization approach perhaps. I’d prefer Shelby Foote to it by far. And Coddington’s _Gettysburg Campaign_ over either.

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Dopamine Fish  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:42:43pm

I adore Civil War history, so of course, I would be remiss if I didn’t mention the heroics of the First Minnesota Volunteer Infantry. On July 2, General Winfield Scott Hancock had a problem to deal with: Daniel Sickles had led his corps out of position, and it got badly mauled. The Southerners were approaching the center of the line, with a nice big hole in it. He turned to Colonel William Colvill for help, and he, in turn, led his 262 men into the face of two brigades totaling nearly 10 times their number. They lost 215 men killed or wounded, the highest casualty percentage (82%) of any American military unit before or since; but they weren’t done. The next day, reconstituted with two detached companies elsewhere, they earned a Medal of Honor when they again charged into the advancing Confederate line and took the colors of the 28th Virginia. The colors of the 1st Minnesota hang in our state capitol; the colors of the 28th Virginia are in the basement of our state archives. Virginia has asked for them back several times over the last 160 years. We told them - politely, as we are Minnesotan - to get fucked.

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William Lewis  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:43:28pm

Oh, neat. I should budget this in. I like carrying a pocket watch but get nervous sometimes about carrying my Great Grandfather’s watch. This would be far less of a problem if something happened and it’s pretty & neat too. smile.amazon.com

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:46:40pm

re: #146 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

“Just” a novel? Sir, you need to rethink that.

Having read both Longstreet’s and Chamberlain’s own writings on the battle I did not particularly care about Shaara doing first person “internal thought” sections of their point of view. I thought he was making assumptions and stretches on what they wrote later as part of the narrative Shaara was building as a novel.

Thus my preference for a novelist’s presentation of the events being Shelby Foote’s.

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ckkatz  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:49:02pm

re: #164 William Lewis

Likewise, I’ll have no business with the yahoos that say the Army of the Potomac should have gone chasing after the Confederates on July 4. They had their victory the enemy was retreating and would never really threaten the US again. Meanwhile our own army was in equal shambles after the hardest 3 days of their lives.

I agree with you, the Gettysburg Campaign destroyed the Army of Northern Virginia as a strategic force.

I agree that both armies were in a shambles after Gettysburg. And that Lincoln, remembering the dithering of McClellan, was pressing Meade hard to pursue aggressively in the hopes of destroying Lee’s Army..

Interestingly, I believe that the claim that the US Cavalry didn’t aggressively pursue Lee’s retreating army after Gettysburg is a canard against their good name and faithful service. The US Cavalry captured thousands of Confederates in the pursuit despite terrible weather and Lee’s use of multiple different axis of retreat.

The weather delayed the cavalry several days from figuring out which route Lee took and which Potomac River crossing he had selected. By the time the cavalry caught up, Lee, an Engineer, had dug in and heavily fortified a ridgeline at his selected crossing.

Infantry, in large numbers would be needed to attack that. With expected heavy casualties. By the time the Union Army could disentangle things and start to bring up the infantry, Lee had withdrawn into Virginia.

The Union Army followed but the resulting pursuit and the Mine Run Campaign showed the Army was badly under-performing and needed a rest, refit and re-organization.

I found this book an interesting one on the subject:
amazon.com

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:49:42pm

re: #158 Barefoot Grin

Jesus…but is it gluten-free?

Not sure what the cow ate…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:50:49pm

re: #166 PhillyPretzel

I would probably use parsley.

I did this time.

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William Lewis  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:50:59pm

re: #177 ckkatz

I’ll track a copy of that one. Thank you for the pointer.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:52:34pm

re: #156 GlutenFreeJesus

Bravo!!

Back in the day, flank steak was so cheap. We did it often, mostly some sort of teriyaki on the grill. Perfectly rare in the middle. Then it got so $$$$.

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ckkatz  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:53:01pm

re: #174 Dopamine Fish

I Virginia has asked for them back several times over the last 160 years. We told them - politely, as we are Minnesotan - to get fucked.

I’m a Virginian. And I endorse the Minnesotan sentiments!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:55:08pm

re: #181 HRH Stanley Sea

Bravo!!

Back in the day, flank steak was so cheap. We did it often, mostly some sort of teriyaki on the grill. Perfectly rare in the middle. Then it got so $$$$.

Yup. Once people caught on how delicious it is, supply and demand took over. Now it’s just robbery. 😅

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:56:02pm

Another Severe Thunderstorm Warning directly naming my village.

I need to go up on the roof and install a one iron, since it is said even God can’t hit one.

windy.com

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Jay C  Jul 3, 2022 • 4:58:44pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

As a Mini owner, this is one of the best things I have ever read about the old Chief….

And when I first got the Mini (back in The Elder Days when they weren’t as common) I also got barraged with questions (and admiration).

So yeah, fuck that clown….

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 5:01:14pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

I get the same with my Smart. If I wasn’t already married, I would have a lot of dating opportunities. My wife gets the same from men when she drives.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 3, 2022 • 5:02:35pm

I know I shouldn’t say this, but I feel certain there will be a Tucker reference in the Copenhagen shooter’s social media.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 3, 2022 • 5:04:19pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 3, 2022 • 5:23:53pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 3, 2022 • 5:27:01pm

re: #175 William Lewis

Oh, neat. I should budget this in. I like carrying a pocket watch but get nervous sometimes about carrying my Great Grandfather’s watch. This would be far less of a problem if something happened and it’s pretty & neat too. smile.amazon.com

I prefer pocket watches over wrist watches due to practicality: My tiny wrists, and catching the watch on everything.

I’ll have to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer (my wife) if there’s money for this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2022 • 6:37:51pm

re: #174 Dopamine Fish

I adore Civil War history, so of course, I would be remiss if I didn’t mention the heroics of the First Minnesota Volunteer Infantry. On July 2, General Winfield Scott Hancock had a problem to deal with: Daniel Sickles had led his corps out of position, and it got badly mauled. The Southerners were approaching the center of the line, with a nice big hole in it. He turned to Colonel William Colvill for help, and he, in turn, led his 262 men into the face of two brigades totaling nearly 10 times their number. They lost 215 men killed or wounded, the highest casualty percentage (82%) of any American military unit before or since; but they weren’t done. The next day, reconstituted with two detached companies elsewhere, they earned a Medal of Honor when they again charged into the advancing Confederate line and took the colors of the 28th Virginia. The colors of the 1st Minnesota hang in our state capitol; the colors of the 28th Virginia are in the basement of our state archives. Virginia has asked for them back several times over the last 160 years. We told them - politely, as we are Minnesotan - to get fucked.


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