You’re Not Gonna Believe This One: Jordan Klepper vs. Wisconsin Trump Supporters

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It’s primary election season, so Jordan Klepper headed to a Wisconsin Trump rally to discuss all the big midterm issues, like the economy, overturning Roe v. Wade, and which candidates and conspiracies the MAGA crowd is most excited about. #DailyShow #Comedy

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:23:41am

BEHOLD… GEMATRIA!

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:25:02am
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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:25:11am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

BEHOLD… GEMATRIA!

They’d have a better chance of seeing Gemara than Gematria (which involves math - and we know how they *suck* at math).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:25:21am
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Dopamine Fish  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:25:35am

re: #3 lawhawk

They’d have a better chance of seeing Gemara than Gematria (which involves math - and we know how they *suck* at math).

In fairness, we were all told there would be no math.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:26:01am

Rando

Garland holds all the cards here.

He knows what’s in the search warrant and the warrant application, and what was found. Meanwhile the Republicans have to rely on speculation, and even worse, Trump’s assurances. If the Republicans seem to be getting close Garland can bread-crumb some clues, and if they’re making fools of themselves he can let them proceed.

In a way it’s a parallel to the early days of the Lewinski scandal, where Democrats were defending Clinton based on his personal assurances, and Ken Starr knew the facts and could control the narrative

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:28:33am

re: #2 Dangerman

National Archives is the repository of documents, including classified documents for the Nation. They preserve documents and follow protocols for handling of documents (see Sandy Berger stealing them in his pants out of the national archives for a refresher).

Obama doesn’t possess any classified documents. None. They are in possession of the NA.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:30:04am

re: #7 lawhawk

National Archives is the repository of documents, including classified documents for the Nation. They preserve documents and follow protocols for handling of documents (see Sandy Berger stealing them in his pants out of the national archives for a refresher).

Obama doesn’t possess any classified documents. None. They are in possession of the NA.

These people are not clever
They really don’t know how any of this works

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:30:50am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:31:24am
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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:31:59am

People so disconnected from reality yet living, working, surviving in society as these Trump rally-goers are a true illustration of privilege.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:32:10am
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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:32:30am

That is a reminder that everyone was pointing out that Trump businesses were incapable of being secured for purposes of classified work, and Trump would openly talk about classified information in and among those attending on any given day. He had no clue how opsec works, and regularly mishandled classified information. Or worse, passed it on to foreign powers.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:33:51am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:33:58am
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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:34:14am

1600 PENNSYLVANIA GARAGE SALE

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:36:43am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

It’s been refreshing here in Canada to see how many people are still taking Covid pretty seriously.

Of course, I’m heading back to the U.S. in a couple of days…

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:39:50am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

He sounds panicked.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:40:26am

“Democrats might pass something the American people like, and where will that leave us?”

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darthstar  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:44:31am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:45:07am
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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:45:55am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Its close to a sure bet that if the GOP gains control of either House of Congress, there will be a government shut down at some point next year.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:46:53am
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Teukka  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:51:50am

re: #4 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

But wait, there’s more…

I no longer think the Saudis were the intended recipients of the information…

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:52:09am
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:53:50am

re: #20 darthstar

LOTS!!!!

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:55:03am

re: #24 Teukka

So there it is, it would seem.

Trump was in possession of secret compartmentalized information.

But hey, I mean, c’mon…who among us doesn’t have secret compartmentalized information lying around the house?

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:56:33am
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wrenchwench  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:59:27am

So, are we not expecting a Friday news dump of nuclear proportions? Or are we in the two-a-week mode now?

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 10:59:31am

re: #28 jaunte

No kudos to the WSJ editorial writers though. They have been just as bad as the rest.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:00:31am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The CDC’s new guidance: “Hey, whatever.”

They’re just giving up.

what’s the point of making yourself look irrelevant and ludicrous by offering guidance that nobody is going to follow?

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John Hughes  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:01:50am

re: #331 Barefoot Grin

I typed in “can missiles fired from Taiwan destroy the Three Gorges Dam” and the answer seems to be “probably not.”

That would, of course, be a war crime. (Luckily for Barnes Wallis and his pals this is only in the post 1945 Geneva conventions).

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:02:52am
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austin_blue  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:03:02am

re: #32 John Hughes

That would, of course, be a war crime. (Luckily for Barnes Wallis and his pals this is only in the post 1945 Geneva conventions).

Dam Busters!

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:04:29am
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:04:59am

re: #32 John Hughes

That would, of course, be a war crime. (Luckily for Barnes Wallis and his pals this is only in the post 1945 Geneva conventions).

As would an unprovoked attack on Taiwan, I would think.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:06:11am

re: #31 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

what’s the point of making yourself look irrelevant and ludicrous by offering guidance that nobody is going to follow?

I don’t know about the current COVID situation over there in Germany, but here in Czech Republic, it’s like it never even existed.

Hell, there’s a big ol’ concert going on in a pub right down the street. Pretty good band, though I don’t know who it is. It sounds like Kabát, a legendary Czech hard-rock band, but it’s most likely a tribute band.

Youtube Video

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:07:50am

re: #33 Crush White Nationalism

The FBI is part of the DOJ, Failson.

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John Hughes  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:10:18am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and the yaws

Yeah, horrible looking. But just like the black death, penicillin stops it quick.

( I remember being shocked when my doctor told me that my daughter had scarlet fever. I was reading a lot of romance novels at the time and had internalised that scarlet fever meant DEATH. “No, no, don’t worry, quick course of antibiotics and it’s all over”. And it was.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:11:53am

Are we sure it was actually Trump who took the boxes and not Jared or some other crony?

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Jay C  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:13:31am

re: #40 Eclectic Cyborg

Are we sure it was actually Trump who took the boxes and not Jared or some other crony?

If it was, it’s a sure bet that the actual culprit would have fingered ASAP by The Donald, personally: identifiable by the bus-tire treadmarks all over his back……

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sagehen  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:14:37am

re: #33 Crush White Nationalism

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“It’s not the beginning of the end; but it’s the end of the beginning.”

(was that Churchill?)

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:15:54am

re: #30 Ace Rothstein

No kudos to the WSJ editorial writers though. They have been just as bad as the rest.

WSJ editorial writers have always been ranting RW lunatics. They were Tucker Carlson before Tucker Carlson, OAN before OAN, Hannity before Hannity.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:18:21am
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:18:26am

re: #33 Crush White Nationalism

Everything went through normal processes. A high-profile criminal has been caught and Americans are relieved, while the enemies of our democracy and rule of law are terribly upset. We’re starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Only loyal Americans are relieved; the Trump acolytes who are traitors to our nation are incensed.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:20:12am

re: #41 Jay C

If it was, it’s a sure bet that the actual culprit would have fingered ASAP by The Donald, personally: identifiable by the bus-tire treadmarks all over his back……

Trump had to have someone advising him what to take.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:20:21am
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:20:59am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

That wasn’t a mistake.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:21:44am

Stochastic Civil War.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:23:01am
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John Hughes  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:23:16am

Yay! Started the post Trump EU/USA trade wars have!

(The comission is pissed that US subsidies for buying electric vehicles only apply for the purchase of US made vehicles. Also some more complicated stuff to do with batteries.)

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:23:38am

re: #45 Hecuba’s daughter

Only loyal Americans are relieved; the Trump acolytes who are traitors to our nation are incensed.

Yeah, I intentionally othered them as “the enemies of our democracy and rule of law”
I know they’re a rotten kind of American. I just like to give them some of what they give decent people.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:25:19am

Twitter is fucking around again - playing with algorithms that suggest something is an unpopular opinion.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:26:01am
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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:28:42am

DeSantis:…”The raid of MAL is another escalation in the weaponization of federal agencies against the Regime’s political opponents, while people like Hunter Biden get treated with kid gloves. Now the Regime is getting another 87k IRS agents to wield against its adversaries? Banana Republic.”

weartv.com

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:29:11am

re: #39 John Hughes

Yeah, horrible looking. But just like the black death, penicillin stops it quick.

( I remember being shocked when my doctor told me that my daughter had scarlet fever. I was reading a lot of romance novels at the time and had internalised that scarlet fever meant DEATH. “No, no, don’t worry, quick course of antibiotics and it’s all over”. And it was.)

Penicillin and sulfa drugs were quite the game changer in terms of medical treatment. One reason wound survival in WW2 was much better than WW1. Plus in high demand for civilian use. Thus their black market value and why it shows up as a plot point in movies such as “The Third Man” and episodes of M*A*S*H.

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:29:12am

Anne Heche has died.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:29:49am

re: #41 Jay C

If it was, it’s a sure bet that the actual culprit would have fingered ASAP by The Donald, personally: identifiable by the bus-tire treadmarks all over his back……

And ultimate authority for their removal would still have been Trump himself.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:30:29am
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aatharuv  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:30:35am

re: #55 jaunte

DeSantis:…”The raid of MAL is another escalation in the weaponization of federal agencies against the Regime’s political opponents, while people like Hunter Biden get treated with kid gloves. Now the Regime is getting another 87k IRS agents to wield against its adversaries? Banana Republic.”

weartv.com

So in other words DeSantis wants to help hostile nations potentially kill millions of Americans through nuclear malpractice, in addition to helping to kill thousands of Floridians through his own medical malpractice.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:31:42am

re: #57 Crush White Nationalism

Anne Heche has died.

Sad, but expected. Her family had noted she was already brain dead and just on life support until it could be determined if any organs could be donated.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:32:23am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:32:33am

re: #57 Crush White Nationalism

Anne Heche has died.

Sad. Mental health issues can be a motherfucker.

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John Hughes  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:34:36am

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

A good friend of mine and her husband from NYC have decided to travel across the southern US by way of I-10 for their honeymoon, visiting various places along the way.

The couple in question are black. They’ve decided not to drive at night due to personal safety concerns (relating to asshole cops or others who might give them problems).

America, 2022. 🙄

They need a copy of “Negro Motorist Green Book”.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:34:43am

re: #33 Crush White Nationalism

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The FBI is part of the doj and answers to the AG

Idiot

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:35:36am

re: #38 Ace Rothstein

The FBI is part of the DOJ, Failson.

Ah gmta and all that

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:35:55am

re: #64 John Hughes

They need a copy of “Negro Motorist Green Book”.

Just a few years ago the NAACP suggested that Black drivers should avoid traveling through rural Missouri.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:36:05am
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aatharuv  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:36:37am

re: #63 Eclectic Cyborg

Sad. Mental health issues can be a motherfucker.

Mental health issues?

She died from a car accident, and it’s unclear whether the narcotics found in her system were actually from the post-crash treatment she’s received.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:37:22am
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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:37:28am

re: #69 aatharuv

Mental health issues?

She died from a car accident, and it’s unclear whether the narcotics found in her system were actually from the post-crash treatment she’s received.

Yes, 100% mental health issues. Why do you think she drank and used drugs?

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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:38:08am
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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:39:18am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:39:23am

re: #69 aatharuv

She has struggled with mental issues in the past. I’m not sure if they played a role in the crash but they were certainly affecting her.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:40:05am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:41:49am

re: #75 jaunte

LOL thanks Breitbart!!

Here’s the relevant statute, BTW:

law.cornell.edu.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:41:50am
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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:42:48am

re: #58 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And ultimate authority for their removal would still have been Trump himself.

Offs he’s the one who possesses them now
hes hiding them and not returning them.
They are under his control now

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:42:52am

re: #60 aatharuv

So in other words DeSantis wants to help hostile nations potentially kill millions of Americans through nuclear malpractice, in addition to helping to kill thousands of Floridians through his own medical malpractice.

It’s NOT malpractice. It’s being done internationally and with extreme malice. He wants my Community dead and is taking active steps to achieve that goal.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:42:59am

And we still have New York, Georgia, E. Jean Carroll, and the J6 Fall Season.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:43:39am

re: #59 Charles Johnson

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1. Weekend
2. So?

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:43:54am

re: #71 Crush White Nationalism

Yes, 100% mental health issues. Why do you think she drank and used drugs?

She was also sexually abused by her father.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:45:22am
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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:45:23am

re: #82 Ace Rothstein

She was also sexually abused by her father.

Just a tragic situation.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:46:10am

re: #70 jaunte

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The bank coulda had back all the money I stole
All they had to do was ask

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:46:17am
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:46:35am

Another GOP disaster, bottom falling out of gas prices. Below 4.00/gal. nationally. Average in Texas is down to 3.483.

State and national low price leader Webb County (67% Biden in 2020) is down to 3.222.

Trumpite run hellpit Roberts County (97% MAGA) remains the highest in the state at 4.199.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:48:02am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:49:03am

So, Trump could possibly be looking at ten years per document.

There were what, 11 documents, IIRC? That’s 110 years if convicted on all counts.

Heh, bet Trump is on the phone right now, trying to contact bin Salman in Riyadh 😄 Something like, “Bro, I need you do me a solid right now!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:50:40am
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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:50:49am

re: #89 Dr Lizardo

So, Trump could possibly be looking at ten years per document.

There were what, 11 documents, IIRC? That’s 110 years if convicted on all counts.

Heh, bet Trump is on the phone right now, trying to contact bin Salman in Riyadh 😄 Something like, “Bro, I need you do me a solid right now!”

11 “sets” of docs

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:51:36am
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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:52:34am
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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:52:49am

re: #77 jaunte

I just posted that to my Facebook. I probably won’t even check to see if I get pushback.

Fox was not on at my vet today, Maybe Monday is right-wing authoritarian propaganda day, and Friday is just local news.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:53:25am

re: #89 Dr Lizardo

Trump jet landing in Moscow in 3…2…1…

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:53:42am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:53:51am

re: #87 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Another GOP disaster, bottom falling out of gas prices. Below 4.00/gal. nationally. Average in Texas is down to 3.483.

State and national low price leader Webb County (67% Biden in 2020) is down to 3.222.

Trumpite run hellpit Roberts County (97% MAGA) remains the highest in the state at 4.199.

Sunoco just north of me is still $4.29; it was $4.55 a month or so ago. Three miles further north on PA-8 the Sunoco there was down to $4.19. So I guess the chain of gasoline from the refinery -> distributor -> station is starting to get the cheaper gasoline in. (And the additive packages and ethanol are usually mixed in by the distributors, not at the refinery since the required packages vary by state, season, and other factors.)

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:54:18am

Pathetic straw-grasping intensifies.

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Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:54:33am

This has been running around in my head, so I posted it: littlegreenfootballs.com

The failsafes were designed in 1975. Before the Apple II. Sleep well tonight, folks.

I don’t think that Trump meant to sell the docs ONLY. I think that they might have also been something that his evil lizard-brain thought might be used to either blackmail the U.S., or to give to his freak cultists to set off nukes if he ever really was in danger of going to prison.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:54:38am

re: #92 jaunte

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:55:12am

re: #93 jaunte

I really hope Trump is truly fucked this time. He certainly should be.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:55:28am
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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:55:32am

re: #89 Dr Lizardo

So, Trump could possibly be looking at ten years per document.

There were what, 11 documents, IIRC? That’s 110 years if convicted on all counts.

Heh, bet Trump is on the phone right now, trying to contact bin Salman in Riyadh 😄 Something like, “Bro, I need you do me a solid right now!”

They’d likely be treated concurrently, as opposed to sentencing consecutively as you indicate.

That’s essentially a life sentence for someone Trump’s age. Fuck that guy. If you commit treason, do the time.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:56:08am

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump jet landing in Moscow in 3…2…1…

Two-stop flight. First stop Riyadh, then second stop in Budapest.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:56:11am

re: #101 Crush White Nationalism

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I really hope Trump is truly fucked this time. He certainly should be.

Maybe a nice air-mailed bottle of tea will arrive for his refreshment shortly. From Moscow.
/

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:58:02am

re: #96 Charles Johnson

That’s my favorite take on Breitbart’s response to the warrant being executed, and smarter people than those at Breitbart would have seen that coming and not complained about weekends existing.

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Dopamine Fish  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:58:07am

re: #102 Eclectic Cyborg

Jesus H. Fucking Christ. Talk about a Friday afternoon news dump. Trump is being charged for ESPIONAGE?!?

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:59:13am

re: #107 Dopamine Fish

Jesus H. Fucking Christ. Talk about a Friday afternoon news dump. Trump is being charged for ESPIONAGE?!?

People joked about what Friday would be based on Monday’s news. Friday delivered.

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danarchy  Aug 12, 2022 • 11:59:59am

re: #101 Crush White Nationalism

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I really hope Trump is truly fucked this time. He certainly should be.

Still think unless they have the goods on him actually selling the information or at least giving it to foreign powers it will end up in front of the SCOTUS who will determine he did nothing illegal.

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Unabogie  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:00:00pm
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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:00:11pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:00:35pm

re: #107 Dopamine Fish

Jesus H. Fucking Christ. Talk about a Friday afternoon news dump. Trump is being charged for ESPIONAGE?!?

I wonder if a few documents (or copies/photos thereof) surfaced in Moscow or Beijing that the DOJ/FBI could directly trace back to the documents in Trump’s possession; e.g. ones with watermarks, etc. indicating they were given to the White House and from there had not been properly handled and then taken away to MAL.

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mmmirele  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:00:47pm

re: #56 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Penicillin and sulfa drugs were quite the game changer in terms of medical treatment. One reason wound survival in WW2 was much better than WW1. Plus in high demand for civilian use. Thus their black market value and why it shows up as a plot point in movies such as “The Third Man” and episodes of M*A*S*H.

One reason why illegal abortion was able to be minimized in the decades prior to Roe was due in large part to penicillin. Yeah, there were a LOT of botched abortions, which damaged fertility but relatively few women and girls died since penicillin became widely available.

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danarchy  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:00:48pm

re: #107 Dopamine Fish

Jesus H. Fucking Christ. Talk about a Friday afternoon news dump. Trump is being charged for ESPIONAGE?!?

Under investigation…not charged…yet

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:00:55pm

re: #107 Dopamine Fish

Jesus H. Fucking Christ. Talk about a Friday afternoon news dump. Trump is being charged for ESPIONAGE?!?

Not charged. Investigated.

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Dopamine Fish  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:01:03pm

re: #114 danarchy

Under investigation…not charged…yet

OK, fair. I’ll give him that much.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:01:20pm
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John Hughes  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:01:33pm

re: #425 Jay C

Good, concise analysis of how China “fell” to Mao and the CCP - lotta factors at play, but yes: a main one was that China was always considered a secondary theater by the Allies (US mainly) - the prevalent attitude being that China was big enough and resource-rich enough to be able to defend itself, and that Allied aid and efforts (US mainly) should be deployed on other fronts.
Wrong decisions (among many), but that’s History for you…..

So, what’s the alternative?

A land war in Asia?

Not just *a* land war in Asia, but *the* land war in Asia.

In the middle of the fucking second World War!

How well is that going to go?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:01:47pm
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:02:31pm

Those FBI agents’ lives are in serious danger.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:02:40pm

re: #107 Dopamine Fish

Jesus H. Fucking Christ. Talk about a Friday afternoon news dump. Trump is being charged for ESPIONAGE?!?

Investigated for espionage.

The warrant was for probable cause of committing acts of espionage.

Charging (aka indictments) are the next step.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:02:46pm

Minimize offense by criticizing investigation timeline. Check!

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:03:44pm

re: #114 danarchy

Under investigation…not charged…yet

re: #115 Ace Rothstein

Not charged. Investigated.

Clip/magazine ;-)

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:03:51pm

re: #121 lawhawk

Do you see indictments actually happening?

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sagehen  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:04:00pm

re: #107 Dopamine Fish

Jesus H. Fucking Christ. Talk about a Friday afternoon news dump. Trump is being charged for ESPIONAGE?!?

well, um… not “charged”. Yet. Just under investigation.

Now I really wanna know (I doubt they’ll tell me) what the phone warrants, trap and trace, turned up.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:05:50pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

Yeah, they’re all going all in on the competency angle - that the FBI and DOJ should have executed this warrant sooner if this was as serious as claimed.

Right. I agree - they should have executed warrants sooner, and should be hauling Trump off in cuffs today, given that he’s accused of espionage. That’s the part they know to be true and think Trump above the law even now.

DOJ executed the warrant on the evidence they had. Getting new evidence of nuclear secrets and mishandling them added to the urgency leading to this week’s events.

Right wingers cannot handle new information. They default to conspiracy theories, because they can’t process that they’re being lied to by Fox and Trump and GOPers.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:07:08pm

I’m sure they delayed the search until Trump was out of town. Otherwise, he would have been standing in front of Mar-a-Lago summoning a mob to attack the agents executing the warrant.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:07:18pm

re: #118 John Hughes

So, what’s the alternative?

A land war in Asia?

Not just *a* land war in Asia, but *the* land war in Asia.

In the middle of the fucking second World War!

How well is that going to go?

Part of it as well is that the logistics for pushing supplies into China were all awful by 1942.
1. Burma Road cut by the Japanese.
2. Via Cochin China/Vietnam cut by Japanese in 1940 when they occupied French Indo-China.
3. Chinese coastal ports occupied by Japan from 1936-1940.
4. Ledo Road eventually built. But took time and was an awful route.
5. Flying materials over “The Hump”. Which included the plane having to carry enough fuel to get back. (The attempted B-29 campaign from China previous to the Allies capturing the Mariana Islands in 1944 was a logistical nightmare.)

While China was tying down a lot of the Japanese Army the truth is that logistics and supplies being used elsewhere was probably more efficient.

And as an alternative to invading the Philippines there were advocates in the US Navy who wanted to invade Formosa (Taiwan) and try to liberate part of coastal China as well.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:08:10pm

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:08:17pm

re: #125 sagehen

well, um… not “charged”. Yet. Just under investigation.

Now I really wanna know (I doubt they’ll tell me) what the phone warrants, trap and trace, turned up.

And that net will catch a whole pile of people in addition to Trump.

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Dopamine Fish  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:08:30pm

RE: “Why didn’t they raid him earlier?”

Mrs. Fish raised the question last night, but in a different way. Put in a roundabout way, “Why did they let him hang on to the documents for 18 months?” I know there’s been a lot of back and forth on these documents between NARA/DOJ and Trump’s lawyers, but I’m wondering why there wasn’t as much of a sense of urgency before. Maybe they figured the documents were relatively safe under the watch of the Secret Service, until they uncovered evidence of documents being sold?

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:09:05pm

re: #126 lawhawk

….

Right wingers cannot handle new information. They default to conspiracy theories, because they can’t process that they’re being lied to by Fox and Trump and GOPers.

There are some who can. Joe Walsh was threatening violence in November 2016 if Hillary won, and then 2 months later he began changing his tune when he finally began to understand Trump’s allegiance to Putin.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:09:06pm

re: #126 lawhawk

Yeah, they’re all going all in on the competency angle - that the FBI and DOJ should have executed this warrant sooner if this was as serious as claimed.

Right. I agree - they should have executed warrants sooner, and should be hauling Trump off in cuffs today, given that he’s accused of espionage. That’s the part they know to be true and think Trump above the law even now.

DOJ executed the warrant on the evidence they had. Getting new evidence of nuclear secrets and mishandling them added to the urgency leading to this week’s events.

Right wingers cannot handle new information. They default to conspiracy theories, because they can’t process that they’re being lied to by Fox and Trump and GOPers.

They knew he wasn’t in Florida and that likely nothing would happen to the docs over the two day weekend

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:11:05pm

re: #131 Dopamine Fish

RE: “Why didn’t they raid him earlier?”

Mrs. Fish raised the question last night, but in a different way. Put in a roundabout way, “Why did they let him hang on to the documents for 18 months?” I know there’s been a lot of back and forth on these documents between NARA/DOJ and Trump’s lawyers, but I’m wondering why there wasn’t as much of a sense of urgency before. Maybe they figured the documents were relatively safe under the watch of the Secret Service, until they uncovered evidence of documents being sold?

More likely is they didn’t know the scope of the docs taken - classified can encompass a bunch of different things. That includes low level stuff and then highest level classifications, including stuff like nuclear secrets that get you locked away forever.

Trump turned out to have a bunch of the latter, to go with the former. All of it is a felony - but the nuclear secrets are the ones that raised all the alarms once DOJ and FBI realized what Trump took.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:11:33pm

re: #131 Dopamine Fish

RE: “Why didn’t they raid him earlier?”

Mrs. Fish raised the question last night, but in a different way. Put in a roundabout way, “Why did they let him hang on to the documents for 18 months?” I know there’s been a lot of back and forth on these documents between NARA/DOJ and Trump’s lawyers, but I’m wondering why there wasn’t as much of a sense of urgency before. Maybe they figured the documents were relatively safe under the watch of the Secret Service, until they uncovered evidence of documents being sold?

We also dont know when they learned about the nature of all the docs
Maybe they didn’t t know 18 mos ago specificslly and exactly what was missing, and just learned that recently

I don’t know
Certainly the bloviators don’t either

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:11:35pm

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump jet landing in Moscow in 3…2…1…

To the best of my understanding, Air Force None is no longer airworthy. Then again, I suppose he could charter a private jet.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:11:41pm

re: #89 Dr Lizardo

So, Trump could possibly be looking at ten years per document.

There were what, 11 documents, IIRC? That’s 110 years if convicted on all counts.

Heh, bet Trump is on the phone right now, trying to contact bin Salman in Riyadh 😄 Something like, “Bro, I need you do me a solid right now!”

If Trump would agree to a deal to be stripped of his US citizenship and have to live his life in exile in Riyadh, never to return, I would be amenable to that, as much as I would like him to spend the rest of his days in prison.

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:11:46pm

re: #126 lawhawk

Yeah, they’re all going all in on the competency angle - that the FBI and DOJ should have executed this warrant sooner if this was as serious as claimed.

Right. I agree - they should have executed warrants sooner, and should be hauling Trump off in cuffs today, given that he’s accused of espionage. That’s the part they know to be true and think Trump above the law even now.

DOJ executed the warrant on the evidence they had. Getting new evidence of nuclear secrets and mishandling them added to the urgency leading to this week’s events.

Right wingers cannot handle new information. They default to conspiracy theories, because they can’t process that they’re being lied to by Fox and Trump and GOPers.

I hope they’re watching Trump and ready to pick him up at an airport.

Everyone struggles with new information that isn’t congruent with what they believe.
They believe so much that isn’t true, and it’s very difficult to dig out from that trap. A lot of people are going to go fully off the deep end rather than admit to themselves that they embraced a hardcore criminal. Some will be violent. I wouldn’t leave kids at any daycare in a federal building.

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John Hughes  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:12:35pm

re: #36 Barefoot Grin

As would an unprovoked attack on Taiwan, I would think.

Yes, a war of agression. Be careful about going there :)

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:12:43pm
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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:13:19pm

re: #132 Hecuba’s daughter

I’d argue that the fact that there are so few that you’d be able to name them as proof that the rest are a lost cause.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:13:21pm

re: #128 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Part of it as well is that the logistics for pushing supplies into China were all awful by 1942.
1. Burma Road cut by the Japanese.
2. Via Cochin China/Vietnam cut by Japanese in 1940 when they occupied French Indo-China.
3. Chinese coastal ports occupied by Japan from 1936-1940.
4. Ledo Road eventually built. But took time and was an awful route.
5. Flying materials over “The Hump”. Which included the plane having to carry enough fuel to get back. (The attempted B-29 campaign from China previous to the Allies capturing the Mariana Islands in 1944 was a logistical nightmare.)

While China was tying down a lot of the Japanese Army the truth is that logistics and supplies being used elsewhere was probably more efficient.

And as an alternative to invading the Philippines there were advocates in the US Navy who wanted to invade Formosa (Taiwan) and try to liberate part of coastal China as well.

My father led supply trucks through the CBI trail during the war. I believe he was a captain at the time and commanded a group of soldiers who drove the vehicles to resupply Army forces.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:13:22pm

re: #103 lawhawk

They’d likely be treated concurrently, as opposed to sentencing consecutively as you indicate.

That’s essentially a life sentence for someone Trump’s age. Fuck that guy. If you commit treason, do the time.

Yeah, at Trump’s age, sentencing him to ten years in Federal prison would basically be like strapping him into Old Sparky.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:13:52pm

re: #104 Ace Rothstein

Two-stop flight. First stop Riyadh, then second stop in Budapest.

Hungary has extradition to the United States. Saudi Arabia and Russia don’t.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:14:59pm

re: #107 Dopamine Fish

Jesus H. Fucking Christ. Talk about a Friday afternoon news dump. Trump is being charged for ESPIONAGE?!?

Investigated for espionage; there has been no indictment yet.

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wrenchwench  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:15:16pm

I got the little ball to go into the little cup after hitting it four times.

Wordle 419 4/6

⬛⬛🟨🟨⬛
🟨🟨🟨⬛⬛
⬛🟩🟩🟨🟨
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

I’m no good at golf analogies.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:15:25pm
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Belafon  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:18:44pm

re: #29 wrenchwench

So, are we not expecting a Friday news dump of nuclear proportions? Or are we in the two-a-week mode now?

In Agile development, we call those sprints.

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John Hughes  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:18:44pm

re: #37 Dr Lizardo

Czechia COVID 29 cases 2022-08-12
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:18:53pm

Here’s the actual DOJ motion to unseal:

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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:19:26pm
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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:20:11pm

re: #147 lawhawk

Just some friendly advice for some of the worst people in the nation.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:21:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:21:20pm
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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:22:06pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

Stochastic terrorism.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:22:09pm

re: #148 Belafon

In Agile development, we call those sprints.

DOJ is definitely working iteratively. /Kanban

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:22:51pm

One of the cooler items I took from my grandparents home was this piece of ammunition my grandfather had sitting on his desk.

The markings clearly show it to be WWII era and I was able to determine it is a round from an anti-aircraft gun from the ship he served on.

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:24:06pm
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sagehen  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:25:02pm

re: #157 Eclectic Cyborg

One of the cooler items I took from my grandparents home was this piece of ammunition my grandfather had sitting on his desk.

The markings clearly show it to be WWII era and I was able to determine it is a round from an anti-aircraft gun from the ship he served on.

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um… is it live?

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:25:14pm
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John Hughes  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:27:59pm

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Also included in the list was information about the “President of France,” according to the three-page list

so I guess he’s not going to be seeking asylum in Paris.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:28:41pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

This feels like the lawyer releasing the cell phone video in the Aubrey killing.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:29:08pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:31:56pm

re: #159 sagehen

um… is it live?

No, absolutely not.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:33:22pm

Current mood:

Youtube Video

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A Three Hour Tour  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:33:30pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

I never thought Bret Baier was a serious journalist. I never thought Shep Smith was one, either. Smith played Fox’s closest equivalent to a serious journalist for years, though, and the role fell to Baier by default when Shep left the network.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:34:05pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:34:37pm

re: #165 Dr Lizardo

Current mood:

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Current GOP mood:

Youtube Video

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:37:00pm

Seems important:

Youtube Video



..

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darthstar  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:37:32pm

re: #26 Ace Rothstein

LOTS!!!!

Apparently the National Archives responded almost immediately, releasing a statement explaining that President Obama adhered to Presidential Records Act to the letter.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:38:01pm

re: #160 jaunte

I listened to a bit of wingnut radio at lunchtime, and it was stream of consciousness whataboutism: “what about Seth Rich, the Dossier, the Durham Report, etc.”

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BeenHereAwhile  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:38:01pm

re: #128 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Part of it as well is that the logistics for pushing supplies into China were all awful by 1942.
1. Burma Road cut by the Japanese.
2. Via Cochin China/Vietnam cut by Japanese in 1940 when they occupied French Indo-China.
3. Chinese coastal ports occupied by Japan from 1936-1940.
4. Ledo Road eventually built. But took time and was an awful route.
5. Flying materials over “The Hump”. Which included the plane having to carry enough fuel to get back. (The attempted B-29 campaign from China previous to the Allies capturing the Mariana Islands in 1944 was a logistical nightmare.)

While China was tying down a lot of the Japanese Army the truth is that logistics and supplies being used elsewhere was probably more efficient.

And as an alternative to invading the Philippines there were advocates in the US Navy who wanted to invade Formosa (Taiwan) and try to liberate part of coastal China as well.

Also Chiang Kai-shek diverted munitions and war material for the looming battle for control of China with Mao.

amazon.com

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darthstar  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:38:35pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

He only committed a LITTLE BIT OF TREASON!

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:38:36pm

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, at Trump’s age, sentencing him to ten years in Federal prison would basically be like strapping him into Old Sparky.

while all this is all true, there has to be some symbolism of the punishment vis a vis the seriousness of the crime and who committed it and how.

i dont care if he ‘only’ has 10 years to live
you sentence him to 100, or whatever…

otherwise it will be meaningless to the next guy

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:39:15pm
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:39:32pm

re: #174 Dangerman

while all this is all true, there has to be some symbolism of the punishment vis a vis the seriousness of the crime and who committed it and how.

i dont care if he ‘only’ has 10 years to live
you sentence him to 100, or whatever…

otherwise it will be meaningless to the next guy

Yeah, of course. Give him the full sentence. And any and all co-conspirators he might have had.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:39:39pm

re: #141 lawhawk

I’d argue that the fact that there are so few that you’d be able to name them as proof that the rest are a lost cause.

It is very sobering that in 2020 Trump received over 11 million more votes than he did in 2016. Says something very troubling about our nation. Certainly possible that included some conservatives who didn’t vote for him in 2016 because they thought he wouldn’t deliver the justices they wanted came home to the party when they realized that yes, he would get Roe repealed. But it remains troubling that so many were willing to support this evil man.

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gocart mozart  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:41:03pm
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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:41:12pm

re: #153 No Malarkey!

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like i said, these people are clueless how this stuff actually works

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darthstar  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:43:02pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:43:37pm

re: #177 Hecuba’s daughter

It is very sobering that Trump received over 11 million more votes than he did in 2016. Says something very troubling about our nation. Certainly possible that included some conservatives who didn’t vote for him in 2016 because they thought he wouldn’t deliver the justices they wanted came home to the party when they realized that yes, he would get Roe repealed. But it remains troubling that so many were willing to support this evil man.

Even after all this time, I find the scope and scale of the evils of political conservatism to be appalling. It’s a path that has only one destination (Hitler’s bunker), yet so many people want to do this.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:43:57pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

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so much winning!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:44:36pm

re: #172 BeenHereAwhile

Also Chiang Kai-shek diverted munitions and war material for the looming battle for control of China with Mao.

amazon.com

That was mentioned (sort of in passing) in some the earlier comments in this sub-thread.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:44:56pm

re: #177 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump’s opponents included a black woman, so there’s that.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:45:10pm

re: #171 No Malarkey!

I listened to a bit of wingnut radio at lunchtime, and it was stream of consciousness whataboutism: “what about Seth Rich, the Dossier, the Durham Report, etc.”

ah, the oldies.
when you hate listening to what’s on the hip radio stations

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John Hughes  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:45:36pm

re: #181 EPR-radar

Altemeyer. Read it.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:50:44pm

Hey all you red hat assholes, we warned you five years ago that this motherfucker had no business being within 500 miles of the White House.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:50:49pm
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Dr. Matt  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:51:27pm

The goal posts have moved back 32,000 miles over the last 3 days.

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(((Archangel1)))  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:52:36pm

The US has jailed and executed over this kind of shit.

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danarchy  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:53:14pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Problem is about half the country lets it sink in and decides it means the current administration is corrupt and we are in a banana republic because they are investigating the leading opposition candidate.

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terraincognita  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:53:34pm

re: #133 Dangerman

They knew he wasn’t in Florida and that likely nothing would happen to the docs over the two day weekend

The reality why the FBI did not go in to Mar-a-Lago could be simply that the club was filled with weekend social activities such as weddings, anniversaries and the normal weekend crowd. Another 72 hours did not impose any additional risk after months of knowing the documents were there. Also, Monday would have been much less crowded and manageable with all the agents searching the facility. Sometimes the answer is the simplest reason and not the one inviting the most intrigue.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:54:11pm

re: #187 Ace Rothstein

Hey all you red hat assholes, we warned you five years ago that this motherfucker had no business being within 500 miles of the White House.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:55:04pm

re: #189 Dr. Matt

The goal posts have moved back 32,000 miles over the last 3 days.

heck, by now they’ve been knitted into a doily

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:55:35pm

I see people wondering why it took 18 months. Trump turned over 15 boxes, and probably told them that was all of them. We know now that someone, maybe in the Secret Service, tipped them off that not only was there more, but it was bad stuff. That was probably pretty recent.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:56:15pm

re: #192 terraincognita

The reality why the FBI did not go in to Mar-a-Lago could be simply that the club was filled with weekend social activities such as weddings, anniversaries and the normal weekend crowd. Another 72 hours did not impose any additional risk after months of knowing the documents were there. Also, Monday would have been much less crowded and manageable with all the agents searching the facility. Sometimes the answer is the simplest reason and not the one inviting the most intrigue.

that only works for sane people

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:56:18pm

I guess Susan Collins was wrong.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:56:40pm
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Jay C  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:56:42pm

re: #128 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

re: #142 Hecuba’s daughter

re: #128 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

As best as I understand the history, after the Japanese surrender in 1945, the general attitude among US policymakers wrt China was that once the Japanese forces were repatriated, the situation would revert to the status quo ante: i.e. that Chiang Kai-shek’s KMT government (the “legitimate” government of China) would simply (re)take over its “legitimate” territory, and deal with the Communist “bandit insurgency” in due course. Mao, of course, had other plans….

But there was, AFAICT, little, if any, support in the US for the sort of massive direct involvement, i.e. boots-on-the-ground, to defeat what was painted, for several years, as a minimal threat to the “legitimate” authority of the KMT - a view enhanced by a flood of pro-Chiang propaganda from the Usual Sources - so that when the Chiang Regime finally collapsed (and fled to Taiwan), events came as something of a nasty surprise to the US FP Establishment, and the efforts to support the non-Communist government were much too little, much too late.

IMHO.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:57:38pm

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, of course. Give him the full sentence. And any and all co-conspirators he might have had.

Except the ones who flip on him; they can can a lesser sentence. This is your chance to be free of him, Melania!

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:57:41pm

re: #197 Ace Rothstein

I guess Susan Collins was wrong.

I’m sure Senator Collins’ brow will be deeply furrowed in concern tonight.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:58:51pm

re: #195 Belafon

I see people wondering why it took 18 months. Trump turned over 15 boxes, and probably told them that was all of them. We know now that someone, maybe in the Secret Service, tipped them off that not only was there more, but it was bad stuff. That was probably pretty recent.

that was in june, in response to the subpoena

they didnt have the full details of how much (or what) had been taken. there was no inventory.

we dont know when they learned what they learned. was it all at once, or piecemeal?

that’s what an investigation is

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 12:59:03pm

re: #200 No Malarkey!

Except the ones who flip on him; they can can a lesser sentence. This is your chance to be free of him, Melania!

I’d say Melania could make a good argument, with a good lawyer of course, that her prenup is invalidated.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:01:27pm
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darthstar  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:01:47pm
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:01:56pm

Heh, Drudge site right now:

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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:02:06pm

re: #184 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Trump’s opponents included a black woman, so there’s that.

The irony is that the reforms that made it easier to vote in 2020 due to the pandemic, which Trump hated, also helped many Republicans to vote, to produce the record vote Trump bragged about.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:03:54pm

re: #198 jaunte

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some legal beagles said the most secret stuff, the nuclear stuff can’t be declassified.
and it can only be viewed in secure locations
so TFG is clearly lying when he said he declassified the stuff he had

or, as i keep saying he has no idea how this stuff works and has no idea why his lie is nothing more than revealing asshattery and ‘wont work’

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:07:20pm

re: #190 (((Archangel1)))

The US has jailed and executed over this kind of shit.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:07:51pm

re: #208 Dangerman

some legal beagles said the most secret stuff, the nuclear stuff can’t be declassified.
and it can only be viewed in secure locations
so TFG is clearly lying when he said he declassified the stuff he had

or, as i keep saying he has no idea how this stuff works and has no idea why his lie is nothing more than revealing asshattery and ‘wont work’

As the joke goes, he would normally revert to declaring bankruptcy at this stage.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:08:15pm

re: #208 Dangerman

He constantly lies about this stuff, and people like Meadows, McConnell and other high up Republicans KNOW he lies. They just further the lie without comment because they’re all using their marks.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:08:56pm

Here again I put forward a caution: it is easy to exaggerate what exactly is going on.

The Espionage Act includes simply losing or mishandling classified information. No foreign actor need be involved.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:09:04pm

It never happened, it was planted.
Okay, it happened but no biggie
Okay, it’s a a big deal but TFG declassified it
Okay, he didn’t declassify it but he’s the Chosen One
Mortal laws don’t apply to God’s greatest gift to humanity

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:09:12pm

re: #210 Belafon

As the joke goes, he would normally revert to declaring bankruptcy at this stage.

Yeah…declaring bankruptcy isn’t really gonna help him out this time 😄

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:09:35pm

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:11:18pm
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darthstar  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:12:21pm
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aatharuv  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:12:25pm

re: #79 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

It’s NOT malpractice. It’s being done internationally and with extreme malice. He wants my Community dead and is taking active steps to achieve that goal.

My apologies, you’re right it’s certainly not malpractice. I just learned about his removal of gender-affirming treatments from Medicaid, though, I’m sadly* not surprised.

I had only been thinking about his incompetence in the covid epidemic, diverting of vaccines to people in rich area codes, over to places with a higher risk of spreading covid vaccines. Prioritizing purchasing of covid-treatments over covid vaccines to funnel money to big pharma. “A 20,000$ cure gives more profits than a $50 vaccine.”

But, even that too was intentional, everything he’s done has been done intentionally, with extreme malice, and to keep the money flowing in.

*And angrily.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:12:46pm

When can we say TFG stands for “Totally Fucked Guy”?

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aatharuv  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:13:03pm

re: #214 Dr Lizardo

Yeah…declaring bankruptcy isn’t really gonna help him out this time 😄

Too bad for him, he just can’t declare moral bankruptcy..

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darthstar  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:13:29pm

re: #197 Ace Rothstein

I guess Susan Collins was wrong.

No…don’t say that!

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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:13:36pm

Stock market finished strong for the week, its fourth straight in positive territory. The Dow is up nearly 13% since its June 16 low for the year.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:13:54pm

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

When can we say TFG stands for “Totally Fucked Guy”?

Immediately.

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nines09  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:14:34pm

4 musicians play Billie Jean on one guitar.

reddit.com

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:14:35pm
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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:15:42pm

re: #225 DodgerFan1988

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:17:21pm

his post claims the stuff was ‘secure’ because he put an extra padlock on the door.

That’s the level of stupid he’s working with
we’re not talking stiffing some vendors or a third rate real estate scam
or a fake university

he’s in a world of hurt because this is all so far out of his league, it’s another sport entirely.

he does not comprehend, does not have an inkling how deep he’s in

we are here:

whereas the investigators and prosecutors know their shit

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:17:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:19:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:20:40pm
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:21:21pm

re: #227 Dangerman

he’s in a world of hurt because this is all so far out of his league, it’s another sport entirely.

he does not comprehend, does not have an inkling how deep he’s in

Exactly. This isn’t one of usual, two-bit shyster scams. He’s possibly up to his eyeballs in shit and the potential consequences he could be looking at are like nothing he’s ever imagined.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:22:18pm

re: #218 aatharuv

My apologies, you’re right it’s certainly not malpractice. I just learned about his removal of gender-affirming treatments from Medicaid, though, I’m sadly not surprised.

I had only been thinking about his @#$@# incompetence in the covid epidemic, diverting of vaccines to people in rich area codes, over to places with a higher risk of spreading covid vaccines. Prioritizing purchasing of covid-treatments over covid vaccines to funnel money to big pharma. “A 20,000$ cure gives more profits than a $50 vaccine.”

But, even that too was intentional, everything he’s done has been done intentionally, with extreme malice, and to keep the money flowing in.

Yep. I’m really hoping that Floridians have had enough and votes his corrupt malignant ass out come November. Along with Texas shit canning Abbott for all his fuck ups and wanton cruelty as well.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:22:50pm

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wrenchwench  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:23:34pm
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:24:59pm

Trump is going to have a heart attack and not face justice like that guy in Casino when the feds served him a warrant and stormed his house.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:27:27pm

re: #203 Dr Lizardo

I’d say Melania could make a good argument, with a good lawyer of course, that her prenup is invalidated.

Or Melania could have been working for the Russians all along..

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Mike Lamb  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:29:48pm

re: #227 Dangerman

his post claims the stuff was ‘secure’ because he put an extra padlock on the door.

That’s the level of stupid he’s working with
we’re not talking stiffing some vendors or a third rate real estate scam
or a fake university

he’s in a world of hurt because this is all so far out of his league, it’s another sport entirely.

he does not comprehend, does not have an inkling how deep he’s in

we are here:

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whereas the investigators and prosecutors know their shit

From the same dopes that think a wall at the border is impregnable.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:29:51pm

re: #206 Dr Lizardo

Heh, Drudge site right now:

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My impression was that Drudge was never a big fan of Trump so not surprising how they played it.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:31:27pm

re: #235 Ace Rothstein

Trump is going to have a heart attack and not face justice like that guy in Casino when the feds served him a warrant and stormed his house.

Ah, yes…this scene (it’s towards the end of the clip):

Youtube Video

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:32:48pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:35:54pm

re: #240 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

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gocart mozart  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:36:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:36:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:38:21pm
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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:38:23pm

re: #242 gocart mozart

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:39:26pm

Awaiting NPR’s comment on propriety of murder threats.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:39:51pm

re: #240 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

lA - Info re: President of France

Aha, dirt! This is what I expect.

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aatharuv  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:40:54pm

re: #240 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

Reading to this document, it explicitly excludes Mar-a-Lago guest rooms, unless they’re also available for use by Trump and his associates.

I’m not a lawyer but I wonder if this means they could search guest suites if they believe Trump or his associates could have used them for to stash items. If so, I wonder how this will impact traffic at Trump-owned or Trump-branded properties.

“Come to a Trump property, and get your business documents held in an secure US government storage locker for free!*”

*Items will be returned as per the convenience of the DoJ.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:41:02pm

re: #241 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

And it’s confirmed: under Description of Item(s), note 2A - “Various Classified/TS/SCI documents”.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:41:08pm

re: #242 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

I think the crowd cheering proved that this wasn’t one of those times.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:43:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:43:41pm
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darthstar  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:44:40pm
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danarchy  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:45:50pm

re: #250 Belafon

I think the crowd cheering proved that this wasn’t one of those times.

Remains to be seen. The people there were probably mostly there because they were already Beto supporters. How will people on the fence(how can anyone be on the fence between O’rourke and Abbot anyway?) react to it?

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Dopamine Fish  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:45:57pm

re: #251 jaunte

The good part about this is that then we don’t have to go through a knock-down, drag-out constitutional fight about whether Trump properly declassified the documents or not (spoilers: He didn’t, the courts have repeatedly affirmed that there is a process even presidents must follow to declassify documents). If they can prove he held on to information that could materially damage the security of the United States, he is guilty, full stop.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:47:04pm

re: #255 Dopamine Fish

Unprecedented, but simple.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:48:39pm
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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:50:48pm

re: #251 jaunte

Under/below classified in the realm of unclassified information is controlled unclassified information (CUI). This includes confidential, “For official use only”, “trade secrets”, personally identifying information, health info/HIPAA type stuff, etc.

None of this is OK to just be released either. All CUI, even in civilian contractors has to be protected. One of the last big projects at my previous job was implementing NIST 800-171 security controls on CUI.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:52:08pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

And he’s wrong on another front: The president cannot arbitrarily classify information, because he cannot use it to cover up crimes or things that would be embarrassing.

Classification authority derives from laws defining it.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:52:40pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:54:28pm

“It was a joke. So you can’t sue us…
Right?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:55:24pm
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Dopamine Fish  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:56:13pm

I keep coming back to: If it was all declassified, as Trump claims, WHY THE FUCK SHOULD WE TRUST SOMEONE WHO IS DECLASSIFYING NUCLEAR SECRETS WHAT THE FUCK.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:56:22pm
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Jay C  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:57:22pm

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

When can we say TFG stands for “Totally Fucked Guy”?

Been saying it for years, now….. 😜

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(((Archangel1)))  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:57:25pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

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On the one hand, my OCD brain appreciates the unintended symmetry. On the other hand, OMFG was this one was so frustrating.

Wordle 419 6/6

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🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:58:08pm
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:58:27pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL I think it’s just now dawning on Donnie that he is indeed That Fucked Guy.

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danarchy  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:58:41pm

re: #259 Belafon

And he’s wrong on another front: The president cannot arbitrarily classify information, because he cannot use it to cover up crimes or things that would be embarrassing.

Classification authority derives from laws defining it.

I am not a lawyer and either are most folks making pronouncements on the law right now. My opinion however, is regardless of the law, if this ends up before the current supreme court, and any case involving a former president and espionage act/classification/document handling, is almost certain to, they will rule he was within his presidential power to do whatever he did. Will not spend a day in prison for this. Caveat being if he actually sold or gave away secrets, then all bets are off.

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 1:59:28pm

re: #261 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

“It was a joke. So you can’t sue us…
Right?”

Hannity made it clear that it’s a joke, but Kilmeade did not give in.

Sean Hannity, another Fox News host, pointed out the inauthenticity of the photo when Kilmeade asked, “Sean, can you relate to that?”

Hannity replied, “I think that’s actually a picture of Jeffrey Epstein with somebody putting his head on there … I’m guessing, I don’t know.”

“Who knows?” Kilmeade said.

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Teukka  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:01:04pm

re: #260 DodgerFan1988

18 USC § 115…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:01:28pm
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Teukka  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:01:44pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:03:08pm
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Belafon  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:04:38pm

re: #267 jaunte

What are the requirements for quorum in the House?

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:05:52pm

re: #275 Belafon

“With a full membership of 435 Members in the House, a quorum is 218.”
archives-democrats-rules.house.gov

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mmmirele  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:06:25pm

re: #236 Hecuba’s daughter

Or Melania could have been working for the Russians all along..

Youtube Video

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:06:37pm
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sagehen  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:07:30pm

re: #267 jaunte

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isn’t the whole point of voting by proxy that it counts as if you were there?

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:07:46pm
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Belafon  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:08:06pm

re: #279 sagehen

isn’t the whole point of voting by proxy that it counts as if you were there?

Except with a certain judge in Texas, I’m sure.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:08:06pm

re: #279 sagehen

I don’t understand Republican thought.

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Mike Lamb  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:08:08pm

re: #279 sagehen

isn’t the whole point of voting by proxy that it counts as if you were there?

Yes.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:08:30pm

re: #276 jaunte

“With a full membership of 435 Members in the House, a quorum is 218.”
archives-democrats-rules.house.gov

So that means representatives may have to fly in to DC for a vote. If the GOP actually do this, they show once again how petty they are and how depraved their base is.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:09:02pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:09:46pm

re: #199 Jay C

As best as I understand the history, after the Japanese surrender in 1945, the general attitude among US policymakers wrt China was that once the Japanese forces were repatriated, the situation would revert to the status quo ante: i.e. that Chiang Kai-shek’s KMT government (the “legitimate” government of China) would simply (re)take over its “legitimate” territory, and deal with the Communist “bandit insurgency” in due course. Mao, of course, had other plans….

But there was, AFAICT, little, if any, support in the US for the sort of massive direct involvement, i.e. boots-on-the-ground, to defeat what was painted, for several years, as a minimal threat to the “legitimate” authority of the KMT - a view enhanced by a flood of pro-Chiang propaganda from the Usual Sources - so that when the Chiang Regime finally collapsed (and fled to Taiwan), events came as something of a nasty surprise to the US FP Establishment, and the efforts to support the non-Communist government were much too little, much too late.

IMHO.

CCP lore: American soldiers were there and were creating a lot of ill will in KMT (GMD) areas through harassment, rape, accidents—the usual stuff. Some of it is definitely true. More importantly, you can earn a lot of good will by taking land from the wealthier and giving it to the poorer.

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sagehen  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:11:01pm

re: #284 Hecuba’s daughter

So that means representatives may have to fly in to DC for a vote. If the GOP actually do this, they show once again how petty they are and how depraved their base is.

there’s more than 218 Democrats. They can have a quorum with 0 Republicans present.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:13:17pm

re: #287 sagehen

there’s more than 218 Democrats. They can have a quorum with 0 Republicans present.

True BUT some may be voting remotely and now they will be forced to travel to DC. And if there are any quarantining because of COVID, they may not be able to attend in person.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:13:20pm

Still working the tsunami of lies tactic.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:14:58pm

re: #288 Hecuba’s daughter

True BUT some may be voting remotely and now they will be forced to travel to DC. And if there are any quarantining because of COVID, they may not be able to attend in person.

Or they can make arrangements to file in for the vote and file back out. I’m sure Democrats can figure it out.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:17:17pm
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danarchy  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:19:14pm

re: #287 sagehen

there’s more than 218 Democrats. They can have a quorum with 0 Republicans present.

There are currently 186 active proxy letters not sure how many of those people are actually out of town but if it is a significant portion, then they may be forced to fly back to cast the vote in person if physical quorum is actually required.

clerk.house.gov

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:19:58pm

“Often.”

So, maybe not just at the end of his time in office, but an ongoing theft over four years.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:20:28pm

re: #239 Dr Lizardo

Ah, yes…this scene (it’s towards the end of the clip):

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“Those are my mudda’s books!” This guy Piscano could fuck up a cup of coffee!

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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:22:28pm

re: #264 The Pie Overlord!

This is the spin I heard on Hannity on the way home from work: “The charges are trumped up because they could’ve had these documents anytime they wanted over the last two years just by asking. All they asked for in June was that another lock be installed.”

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:22:40pm

Someone needs to make an N-motherfucking-PR totebag.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:26:53pm
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:29:34pm

re: #295 No Malarkey!

Uh, they did ask.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:29:40pm

Tomorrow’s Wordle: five is the new four.

Wordle 420 5/6

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Could have had four letters in line 3 and would still have needed 5 guesses.

SibData affected by Saturday go slow: 4,5,X

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:31:33pm

The GOP continues to Gaslight Obstruct Project

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:32:49pm

re: #300 The Pie Overlord!

The GOP continues to Gaslight Obstruct Project

Looks like the south is trying to rise. Again.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:37:41pm

re: #300 The Pie Overlord!

The GOP continues to Gaslight Obstruct Project

Can’t prove a negative, Kennedy. They couldn’t hold a press conference long enough.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:37:55pm

i just had a nap
and woke up
and remembered the last two days
this whole thing is so effing surreal

a president of the united states
espionage
stolen documents
bobbing, weaving, basically daring law enforcement to, you know enforce laws
while republicans do normalcy and complacency

it makes us look like a goddamned joke

(unless something more worse has happened in the last hour)

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EPR-radar  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:38:44pm

re: #300 The Pie Overlord!

AG Garland needs to hold the shortest press conference ever, where he announces that Republicans in office that enable Trump’s crimes will be charged as accessories after the fact.

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EPR-radar  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:39:18pm

re: #302 Belafon

Can’t prove a negative, Kennedy. They couldn’t hold a press conference long enough.

Also can’t prove anything to the goddamn willfully pig-ignorant GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:41:29pm
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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:41:40pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:42:20pm

re: #307 jaunte

Yay!

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:42:57pm

Not to be a downer, but I’ve seen this warning in a couple of threads from people who know:

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:43:08pm
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:44:20pm

re: #310 jaunte

Finally.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:44:21pm

re: #307 jaunte

So the GOP scheme failed? Or are they going to challenge the passage by claiming the House did not adhere to the appropriate rules?

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Dopamine Fish  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:44:29pm

re: #309 Barefoot Grin

Not to be a downer, but I’ve seen this warning in a couple of threads from people who know:

Right, but the penalties in the law are very real.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:45:19pm

re: #312 Hecuba’s daughter

GOP, masters of failed schemes.

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nines09  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:45:34pm

And just yesterday at my favorite produce stand there was a visibly well off sack of broken eggs wearing a pristine Trump ballcap.
I was not alone in staring a hole through him.
He was asking one of the older women working there in a loud voice “Are these peaches from Adams county? Gettysburg has the best. Gettysburg blarg barf woka woka.”
The lady just said “I don’t know.”

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:46:02pm

re: #272 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

[Embedded content]

On Saturday, the World Dog Surfing Championships took place on the California coast in Pacifica….

oh, i was envisioning…

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:46:18pm

re: #309 Barefoot Grin

Not to be a downer, but I’ve seen this warning in a couple of threads from people who know:

Good to know. They cited the law for some reason, though, and I would like to know what it was.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:47:48pm

re: #313 Dopamine Fish

Right, but the penalties in the law are very real.

10 years for each TS/SCI violation. Yep.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:48:49pm

re: #291 jaunte

[Embedded content]

if someone prosecutes it

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:49:34pm

re: #318 Barefoot Grin

A “box” could hold a ream (500 sheets) of paper easily.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:49:48pm

re: #312 Hecuba’s daughter

So the GOP scheme failed? Or are they going to challenge the passage by claiming the House did not adhere to the appropriate rules?

I’m sure it’s the latter.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:50:10pm

re: #317 Belafon

Good to know. They cited the law for some reason, though, and I would like to know what it was.

I think it’s worse than some of those counseling caution, but I think it’s ok to temper expectations until any of us know.

I do love, though, how Blackburn and the others are demanding the affidavit, which there is zero chance will be produced until charges are brought or case dropped.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:51:12pm

re: #295 No Malarkey!

This is the spin I heard on Hannity on the way home from work: “The charges are trumped up because they could’ve had these documents anytime they wanted over the last two years just by asking. All they asked for in June was that another lock be installed.”

amateurish and idiotic reasoning that’s been taken apart 10 times, 10 different ways already

assumes facts nobody outside the actual investigation knows
i.e. - that they’ve always known what was stolen and where it was

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:51:14pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:51:17pm

re: #317 Belafon

Good to know. They cited the law for some reason, though, and I would like to know what it was.

They probably have to review all the material they received to see if charges are warranted. Perhaps the documents were not of such a significant level that the espionage act applies.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:51:36pm

DoJ on a roll:

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Florida Panhandler  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:51:58pm

re: #300 The Pie Overlord!

The GOP continues to Gaslight Obstruct Project

Let it forever be known that the Republican Party, despite decades of attempting to hijack the notion that they are the only true patriots of the USA, are currently trying to find any way to cover and redirect serious espionage charges against a multi-divorced marriage-destroyer, a man who actively derides US Military Vets for their service, disdains the poor and middle class, and considers the very worst dictators on the planet as personal friends and worthy of admiration.

They are not serious people on any political or social intellectual level. The only thing serious about them is the malevolent level of destruction and evil they plan, promote and agitate against our country.

Evil does exist. It is the GOP. And they feel they have their backs against the wall.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:52:49pm

re: #305 EPR-radar

Also can’t prove anything to the goddamn willfully pig-ignorant GOP.

also, they dont answer to you all

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:55:27pm

re: #312 Hecuba’s daughter

So the GOP scheme failed? Or are they going to challenge the passage by claiming the House did not adhere to the appropriate rules?

overruled/denied/whatever

next

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:56:28pm

re: #324 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

or steal anything

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:57:53pm

re: #325 Hecuba’s daughter

They probably have to review all the material they received to see if charges are warranted. Perhaps the documents were not of such a significant level that the espionage act applies.

if the material is as has been described, then correct people with correct clearances have to review all the material…

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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:58:15pm
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nines09  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:58:55pm

re: #326 jaunte

Good good good good.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:58:59pm

I know it’s a lot to ask, but I’m also hoping he gets indicted for January 6th.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:59:00pm

re: #326 jaunte

DoJ on a roll:

[Embedded content]The investigation follows an explosive report that found top Southern Baptist Convention officials had silenced sexual abuse survivors for two decades and fought reforms out of fears of lawsuits

ie ‘the heck with their souls and the destroyed lives, this could cost us money’

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Aug 12, 2022 • 2:59:58pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:00:06pm

re: #324 Backwoods_Sleuth

Biden has now shown himself to be the most consequential President since LBJ, at least in accomplishments that benefit the nation. Of course, Obama’s ACA certainly gives him an honorable mention. Sad to say, Trump may ultimately prove to be the most consequential President ever if he and his minions succeed in their efforts to destroy our democracy and turn us into a white supremacist banana republic.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:00:40pm

re: #334 I Would Prefer Not To

I know it’s a lot to ask, but I’m also hoping he gets indicted for January 6th.

Yes. I hope they bring him out of prison to face charges for the many wrongs he has committed.

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calochortus  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:05:07pm

re: #315 nines09

And just yesterday at my favorite produce stand there was a visibly well off sack of broken eggs wearing a pristine Trump ballcap.
I was not alone in staring a hole through him.
He was asking one of the older women working there in a loud voice “Are these peaches from Adams county? Gettysburg has the best. Gettysburg blarg barf woka woka.”
The lady just said “I don’t know.”

Lancaster County would like to have a word. Probably York Co. as well, but I can’t vouch for their peaches. Oh, wait. This guy is an idiot. Never mind.

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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:08:41pm

should take a page from the R’s book

forget the nuance

stop saying espionage, or slicing and dicing it coulda been this or it coulda been that

go for the easy to say bumper sticker

45 is a spy

341
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:10:43pm
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Dangerman  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:11:29pm

ps proxy voting is legal

it’s been tried and tested in court

this is a performative nothingburger

(except to use in campaigns against said R’s)

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A Cranky One  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:16:06pm

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:19:15pm

re: #340 Dangerman

345
gocart mozart  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:19:22pm
346
Crush White Nationalism  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:21:20pm

re: #345 gocart mozart

The Republican party needs deassification.

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Captain Magic  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:22:35pm

...

348
The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:24:43pm
349
austin_blue  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:26:01pm

re: #331 Dangerman

if the material is as has been described, then correct people with correct clearances have to review all the material…

When I was in the Air Farce and sitting in the hole on nuclear Alert, my Clearance as a pilot was Top Secret, No Foreign Dissemination, Emergency War Order.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:26:19pm

re: #348 The Pie Overlord!

Mmm. They look delicious. They look a little pale. Did you do something to the lighting?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:30:43pm
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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:32:04pm

re: #347 Captain Magic

I hate my life. Do not send any one ovrt.

That doesn’t sound good! What is the problem? What can we do to help?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:32:43pm

re: #156 lawhawk

DOJ is definitely working iteratively. /Kanban

Can-ban or Kahn-bahn? Inquiring minds want to ky.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:36:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:37:35pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:38:08pm

The usual subjects are still worried about their precious European heritage (wrt Amazon’s RoP):

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:42:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:42:37pm
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A Cranky One  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:42:44pm

re: #347 Captain Magic

People here care about you and want you around. Bad as it is, please don’t harm yourself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:44:15pm
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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:44:30pm

re: #359 A Cranky One

People here care about you and want you around. Bad as it is, please don’t harm yourself.

Dear Captain Magic: I confirm these statements!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:45:34pm
363
A Cranky One  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:45:49pm

re: #361 retired cynic

He logged off. I’m worried.

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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:46:11pm

re: #363 A Cranky One

Me, too…

365
PhillyPretzel  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:47:42pm

re: #363 A Cranky One

re: #364 retired cynic

I believe he is also on twitter.

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A Cranky One  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:47:51pm

2017 story from the Onion about nuclear:

theonion.com

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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:48:09pm

re: #363 A Cranky One

Pie Overlord took charge last time, and called 911. But I don’t know his address, and it is Friday evening, which is not a good time for TPO.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:48:15pm
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A Cranky One  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:48:28pm

re: #365 PhillyPretzel

I don’t have an account.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:48:50pm

re: #361 retired cynic

Dear Captain Magic: I confirm these statements!

Me too! Please reach out to us.

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Jay C  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:49:01pm

re: #363 A Cranky One

He logged off. I’m worried.

Nope: still lurking at this minute.
Though still worrisome.

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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:49:13pm

re: #365 PhillyPretzel

I believe he is also on twitter.

as Captain Magic?

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:49:42pm

re: #372 retired cynic

Yes. I believe so.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:49:53pm

so many sad twerps in the responses

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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:50:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:51:01pm

re: #365 PhillyPretzel

I believe he is also on twitter.

he hasn’t tweeted in six days

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

377
PhillyPretzel  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:51:50pm

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

w8qupwUwVYI/EuiecpX8Ig==

378
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:53:07pm
379
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:55:13pm
380
PhillyPretzel  Aug 12, 2022 • 3:56:06pm

re: #379 Backwoods_Sleuth

That sounds as though it could be true.

381
Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:00:27pm

re: #354 Backwoods_Sleuth

Typical Republicans. Never take responsibility for anything you do.

382
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:00:35pm
383
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:03:06pm
384
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:09:05pm
385
Barefoot Grin  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:10:20pm

re: #384 Backwoods_Sleuth

But, but, but….

386
Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:13:06pm

Lil Marco, both are bad. It’s okay to say this is bad without the qualifier.

387
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:29:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:30:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:31:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:33:56pm
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William Lewis  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:34:44pm

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not sure which of those two fools is the more corrupt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:35:03pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:36:27pm

re: #339 calochortus

Lancaster County would like to have a word. Probably York Co. as well, but I can’t vouch for their peaches. Oh, wait. This guy is an idiot. Never mind.

Around here (western PA) they are often advertised as being from Chambersburg. Which is Franklin County, just west of Adams County and Gettysburg. I got some at a farmers’ market earlier this week and they were excellent!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:36:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:38:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:39:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:40:27pm
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No Malarkey!  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:40:35pm

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hilarious, Gableman eventually accused Vos of being part of the conspiracy!

Gableman went further in a Monday appearance on former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon’s podcast, contending Vos had a role in stealing the 2020 election. (Recounts and court rulings in Wisconsin have confirmed Biden’s win and independent reviews have found no signs of significant voter fraud.)

“[Vos] oversaw the implementation of all the odious apparatus that the Wisconsin Elections Commission put to use to steal the election from — and I’m not even going to say from a particular candidate. I’m going to say they stole it from the voters and the good citizens of the state of Wisconsin,” Gableman said.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:41:26pm
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Varek Raith  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:41:44pm

Let’s all be honest for a moment;
Who here hasn’t randomly and innocently violated the Espionage Act?
Hands?
No?
….
FUCK

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:51:35pm

I am logging off now for Shabbat but I will be back tomorrow night so don’t panic.

BYE FOR NOW.

402
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 4:58:01pm
403
Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2022 • 5:00:02pm

re: #402 Backwoods_Sleuth

He really has people advising him that are dumber than he is.

404
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 5:01:06pm
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William Lewis  Aug 12, 2022 • 5:02:19pm

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

These idiots are in for a big surprise when they learn that simply threatening these agents is a crime.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 5:02:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 5:03:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2022 • 5:08:59pm
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Jay C  Aug 12, 2022 • 5:10:43pm

re: #401 The Pie Overlord!

I am logging off now for Shabbat but I will be back tomorrow night so don’t panic.

BYE FOR NOW.

Thanks for the notice, VB
Shabbat shalom!

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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2022 • 5:10:59pm

A Surprising Photo Captures an Osprey Gently Gliding Along the Water’s Surface
thisiscolossal.com

Amazing photo!

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John Hughes  Aug 13, 2022 • 3:22:40am

re: #378 Backwoods_Sleuth

This looks like the information about French President Macron is a subset of Roger Stone’s clemency.

In 2017, Roger Stone acolyte Jack Posobiec shared hacked Macron emails. The White House gave him press credentials.

— Roger Sollenberger

I don’t quite see why anyone would be interested in “the Macron emails”.

Shortly after the alt-right media boosted the leak, chief of Macron’s campaign Mounir Mahjoubi stated that they have been watching GRU hacking attempts since February, and let them steal a carefully prepared cache of trivial and forged documents. After this was confirmed against the leaks contents, its credibility was seriously undermined

en.m.wikipedia.org

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 13, 2022 • 9:41:37am

re: #246 jaunte

Awaiting NPR’s comment on propriety of murder threats.

These people they are talking about are not just ordinary poll workers they can scare or regular folk they can intimidate. These people have been trained in self defense and weapons. These dumbass motherfuckers could break off a little more than they can chew trying to intimidate agents.


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