Some More News: The Perverse Incentives of the Healthcare Industry

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Hi. Boy oh boy, the pursuit of profit has really screwed up healthcare in America. It screwed up a lot of other things, too, but this episode is about healthcare. This is Part 2 in our series looking at how the Profit Motive creates bizarre and often grotesque incentives that push industries to do the opposite of what they should.

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Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
02:34 - Healthcare is messed up in America
06:47 - How the healthcare industry came to prioritize profit over people
17:43 - How the Profit Motive drives up the cost of care
34:20 - The pharmaceutical industry is also making a buttload of money
42:22 - Maybe healthcare shouldn’t be motivated by profit

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132 comments
1
Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:20:30am

But single payer is pure communist evil.

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:20:55am

A misnomer from the outset: they are not selling health care, they are selling medical products and services.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:21:59am

re: #2 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A misnomer from the outset: they are not selling health care, they are selling medical products and services.

Which sell best when people are in poor health, hence there is limited incentive for the healthcare industry to actually, you know, make people HEALTHY.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:24:00am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:24:47am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Which sell best when people are in poor health, hence there is limited incentive for the healthcare industry to actually, you know, make people HEALTHY.

exactly: my ex-GF’s cousin is a pain management doctor in Texas. In other words, a legal opioid dealer. He recently bought himself a 14K ft² house.

Now you see why socialized medicine is so evil: without it, he would have to squeeze his family into an 11K ft² hovel…

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:31:37am

From downstairs:

re: #421 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they are a good target, but the main effort is directed at disenfranchising voters of color

The original hysteria was directed against CRT. As terrible as their transphobic attacks are, it’s an effort to distract from their primary target: people of color. The focus on banning books about LGBTQ allows them to escape scrutiny of their racism, which has poisoned our nation from its inception. Just like RW Christians operating segregationist academies in the late 1970’s decided to adoption a “pro-life” stand to avoid criticism for their real white supremacist agenda, these people are using anti-LGBT rhetoric (which is part of their philosophy) to mask their real racist strategy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:34:30am
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:35:53am

This is so insane that it makes schizophrenia look totally rational.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:37:00am
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:39:33am

HTF is this a “Border Crisis”? Looks to me like the border is under control if these guys have been apprehended.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:44:05am
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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:44:53am

How many Trump lawyers have needed lawyers of their own because of their own criminal conduct?

Cohen, Giuliani, Eastman, Powell, and all the rest. Heck, even Barr probably has lawyered up for good measure.

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austin_blue  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:45:08am

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

Charlie Kirk, proudly ignorant fuckwit.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:48:15am
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Belafon  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:48:31am

Remember this:

This is one of the people in the pictures:

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:49:04am

re: #12 lawhawk

How many Trump lawyers have needed lawyers of their own because of their own criminal conduct?

Cohen, Giuliani, Eastman, Powell, and all the rest. Heck, even Barr probably has lawyered up for good measure.

Better call Saul!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:49:54am

re: #6 Hecuba’s daughter

From downstairs:

The original hysteria was directed against CRT.

The people behind it knew that CRT was an obscure discipline not taught in schools, but it served them as cover for undermining schools’ ability to teach about racial history in America, which is important in helping them keep the dark-skinned races away from the seats of political power.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:53:18am

So, all these Republicans complaining (wrongly) about “politically-motivated investigations” are perfectly OK with it if they are the ones doing it.
PLAIIOS!S!!S!!!

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:55:28am

GOP wants to defund this:

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Teukka  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:55:48am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:56:24am

re: #18 The Pie Overlord!

So, all these Republicans complaining (wrongly) about “politically-motivated investigations” are perfectly OK with it if they are the ones doing it.
PLAIIOS!S!!S!!!

Payback is fair play.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:57:25am

re: #20 Teukka

If I had money, I would sue Twitter over this. No law has an absolute limit.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:58:45am

re: #20 Teukka

The problem I had the other day is that people were sharing images of the tweet in order to prevent retweet counts from increasing, but that made it hard to report it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:59:28am

re: #23 Belafon

The problem I had the other day is that people were sharing images of the tweet in order to prevent retweet counts from increasing, but that made it hard to report it.

what a sick fucking system.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:59:30am

re: #20 Teukka

Are these people ever going to see consequences for this?

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jeffreyw  Aug 17, 2022 • 10:59:32am

A whole brisket spent a month in the brine. The thick half smoked overnight in cherry wood, the rest is smoking today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:01:20am
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Belafon  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:03:53am

re: #24 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

what a sick fucking system.

The internet wasn’t originally designed with security in mind, and Twitter wasn’t designed to keep from getting people killed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:04:06am

made it to 8 on antiwordle
probably should give up now

cyZAj2/awkkEih3VS5Yz7PlUD3fEvUf2zawVJ/+BVLuEk49gz3JKL4C6uKyhAc3W2HlmPMc2VpRA8Vm1ZMjTU6pnVp6QhFnP7ipoS3BxT4ilGuqpPQn1xeT/L8UfwK5qpe/Tg3MP0qOq68c6kELh5Hgr9dgY+3eXibqo0h7Kjk4Gu/iTj5/MVCF5ORsRApyA9GlM9o/CGKPMW3S4nwKz8rK3zYQ02dF6l8XqPUacBtzZlvDIfr7/bJQsPSaLBX7xJiFmRqOOCbBCxFLIkgbdguyZYdcIEDNm77dKK9H+YvRBL5sLH2CQuQ==

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:07:20am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:09:55am

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

2024 is going to be a disaster at this rate.

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garzooma  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:21:25am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump reposts an op-ed describing the likelihood of payback — such as raiding homes of Biden, Clinton, Comey etc — if he retakes the White House.

I think it’s good that they’re more openly fascist. It was stunning that during the 2020 Democratic Presidential campaign, not one of the 20+ candidates made an issue of Trump’s abuse of power in the Ukraine call. It’s going to be a lot more difficult to ignore it now.

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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:22:06am
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:24:01am

CRT math problems (as imagined by Republicans):
1. 7 white businessmen are arrested. One is excused for being gay. 6 are found guilty of possessing Confederate flags and disrespecting the Kwanzaa holiday. Three are beheaded on the guillotine. How many does that leave for the firing squad?
2. 634 armed IRS agents set out to seize lawfully held guns from a Christian patriot. The Patriot resists. The agents fire 102,634 rounds of small arms ammunition at $.53 per round plus 86 40mm incendiary grenades ($39.50 each) into the patriot’s house, setting it on fire. The remains of one patriot, 23 AR-15s and 9 handguns are recovered from the wreckage. What is the average cost of the raid per gun illegally removed from patriot hands?

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:32:52am

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

2024 is going to be a disaster at this rate.

It only matters in the swing states though. Wyoming is voting for Trump no matter what.

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:33:16am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:36:10am

re: #36 darthstar

If we could only be so lucky.

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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:36:53am
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Belafon  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:39:33am

re: #38 lawhawk

If everything were truly awful, they wouldn’t believe it could be changed. The Republican party’s fascism is founded on the idea that nothing should change.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:41:43am

re: #28 Belafon

The internet wasn’t originally designed with security in mind, and Twitter wasn’t designed to keep from getting people killed.

I know, it’s not so much the system as the sick fucks who know how to manipulate it.

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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:41:44am
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nines09  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:42:08am

Half past August…….save me….
February 1974. My original band played this. Did a killer version. We had the vocals. Tripped over it the other night.
Forgot all about them. There were so many great bands.
Can you dig it?

Youtube Video

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:42:28am

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I know, it’s not so much the system as the sick fucks who know how to manipulate it.

Agree. I meant to imply it as a small indictment on Twitter.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:44:04am

re: #39 Belafon

Also, how is this a double standard? Watch “The Day Sports Stopped” and you will find out that the NBA is definitely tuned into politics.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:44:42am

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

2024 is going to be a disaster at this rate.

That is the plan: disqualify enough results so that neither candidate gets a majority of electoral votes, at which point it will go to the states, who, being majority GOP, will elect the Candidate whom God Wants us to Have and install the Theocracy that God has always wanted as well.

Nationwide life-starts-at-conception bill, ban on pregnant women leaving the country, public funding for religious schools, etc…

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bratwurst  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:45:36am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:47:08am

re: #43 Belafon

Agree. I meant to imply it as a small indictment on Twitter.

because they don’t rightly give a fuck what these bastards are doing with their enterprise as long as it is massively profitable

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:48:33am

re: #20 Teukka

It may be time for the Democrats to push through a law imposing domestic terrorism enhancements to help prosecute these kinds of threatening messages.

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Mike Lamb  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:48:35am

re: #38 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

If you are keeping score at home, encouraging people to vote is now “woke”.

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:52:41am

re: #38 lawhawk

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:53:29am

re: #46 bratwurst

Okay, if it has no crust, it’s NOT a pizza!

It’s a salad with cheese.

Half /

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:55:00am

re: #50 Crush White Nationalism

games won’t be scheduled on Election Day

Absurdly over the top reaction to the tiniest step in expanding the possibility of voting.

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:55:50am

re: #38 lawhawk

One more underscore for how unpopular Rs KNOW their policies are.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:56:16am

What’s an OutKick? Who is this guy and WGAF what he says?

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Mike Lamb  Aug 17, 2022 • 11:59:56am

re: #54 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What’s an OutKick? Who is this guy and WGAF what he says?

Sports commenter hoping to fill Limbaugh’s void.

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Mike Lamb  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:03:55pm

re: #52 jaunte

Absurdly over the top reaction to the tiniest step in expanding the possibility of voting.

They show their ass completely when they argue a relatively insignificant gesture such as foregoing games on election day is somehow liberal politics. At worst, there should be no comment. In a sane world, it would be encouraged by everyone. But we are talking about an organization where the labor force is primarily people of color, therefore said organization suggesting people vote (or allowing the labor force time to vote) is automatically bad. I’m confident, though, that if NASCAR (save for Bubba Wallace) did something similar, the GOP would be lauding it.

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:09:55pm

EELITE ECHELON!

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:21:46pm

“An even larger issue [in news reporting] is the instinctive reduction of public life to who’s up/who’s down politics, which most reporters (including me) find fascinating. This is as opposed to the way public decisions affect households and communities, which most people care about much more.”

“…Biden today signed a bill that appears to be the biggest forward movement on climate policy in decades; that will limit health care costs for many people; that corrects the historic mistake of not letting Medicare negotiate drug prices; that increases some corporate taxes; that by most reckoning will lower the federal deficit; that by most reckoning will create many more jobs; that was eked out through a 50-50 Senate (whose 50 included Manchin and Sinema); and so on.

You can oppose this bill, as all Republican Senators did. Or you can find it lacking, as many progressives do. But by any normal standards — as Barack Obama said in a tweet this evening — it is a BFD.

Yet one that can “hardly break through” nonstop attention to Trump. According to an article directing its attention toward Trump.”

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:23:39pm
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough has revealed “disturbing” conversation he had this week with conservatives willing to destroy the constitutional republic in order to shield Donald Trump from any accountability for his crimes.

The former president is getting increasingly nervous over the FBI raid at Mar-a-Lago and his angry supporters are threatening violence against law enforcement officers as the Justice Department moves closer to an indictment.

But the threats are not only coming from people on the fringe of the Republican party, Scarborough said during the Wednesday edition of “Morning Joe.”

“If people want to understand the depths to which this anti-American sentiment is running in the Republican Party, I had two conversations yesterday,” Scarborough said. “One with a family member and one with a Washington fixture, since the days of Ronald Reagan. Both were talking about how the FBI was the gestapo and they needed to be stamped out, spoke of revolution, and the Washington fixture, a guy who I always considered to be a mainstream conservative, a guy who, in the past at least, expressed concerns about some of Donald Trump’s extremities, said to me, ‘Joe, we can replace the U.S. government.”

Youtube Video

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mmmirele  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:26:41pm

What does PLAIIOS!S!!S!!! mean? I’m sure it’s something clever.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:30:10pm

re: #60 mmmirele

What does PLAIIOS!S!!S!!! mean? I’m sure it’s something clever.

Projecting like an IMAX in outer space!space!space!

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Jay C  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:32:01pm

re: #60 mmmirele

What does PLAIIOS!S!!S!!! mean? I’m sure it’s something clever.

Projecting Like An IMAX In Outer Space!-Space-Space!!!

I know: I’ve seen this on the ‘Net for years, and only recently saw it decoded…..

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:34:59pm

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:36:35pm

re: #45 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nationwide life-starts-at-conception bill, ban on pregnant women leaving the country, public funding for religious schools, etc…

Only Christian schools of the approved denomination will receive funding. No public money for yeshivot, madrassas, Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh, non-denominational secular institutions that accept LGBTQ+, or Black Christian schools that teach the history of racism.

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:37:19pm
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sagehen  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:39:52pm
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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:40:10pm

re: #65 jaunte

Grand jury testimony is privileged and confidential. His lawyer indicated that he would assert attorney-client privilege on questions as necessary.

In other words, he’s going to claim privilege, which can be pierced with the crime fraud exception and GA is investigating felony interference in the election count and certification.

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sagehen  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:43:43pm

“a conservative’s conservative, built in a lab to bomb brown countries and screw poor people…”

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:44:17pm

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

2024 is going to be a disaster at this rate.

I haven’t been keeping track, but I will bet real money that most of these are in very red states, where the national and statewide offices would go to repugs anyway. There might be a few blue areas where dems might be elected — we can make it a priority to watch them.

And the courts haven’t been very friendly to all the other repug challenges that have been happening.

Of course there are other possible future threats, but I’ll start worrying about them if and when they materialize. I have enough troubles already.

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Captain Ron  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:49:26pm
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sizzzzlerz  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:55:12pm

re: #16 No Malarkey!

Better call Saul!

You may be on hold for 86 years, or so. Be patient.

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BeenHereAwhile  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:56:24pm

re: #70 Captain Ron

Allen Weisselberg agrees to testify against Trump’s businesses in move that poses ‘a severe threat’ to his companies: report rawstory.com

Immunity bath on aisle 9.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:56:38pm

re: #71 sizzzzlerz

You may be on hold for 86 years, or so. Be patient.

Trump will be in long before Saul gets out.

I watched the finale last night, even mixed a Moscow Mule in honor…

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EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:57:06pm

re: #70 Captain Ron

I thought this turd wasn’t cooperating. Is that wrong?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:58:23pm

re: #70 Captain Ron

If Weisselberg has turned state’s evidence, Trump’s headaches are about to get a lot bigger.

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 17, 2022 • 12:58:39pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:00:58pm

re: #76 Crush White Nationalism

I would assume that is a parody, but they really thought this was something they could get away with?

What the fuck kind of fucked up party is that?

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EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:02:45pm

re: #76 Crush White Nationalism

It’s the most honest thing I’ve seen from a Republican in years.

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wrenchwench  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:03:05pm

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would assume that is a parody, but they really thought this was something they could get away with?

What the fuck kind of fucked up party is that?

That’s type ‘C’. Oh, sorry, Not C.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:05:29pm

a) was it really just the case of an unpaid intern being instructed to find and post a GOP elephant logo and not noticing?

b) or did some fucking white supremacist think he could get away with a bit of an “inside joke”

c) or some combination of the above?

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:05:33pm

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would assume that is a parody, but they really thought this was something they could get away with?

What the fuck kind of fucked up party is that?

I expect that it was made by someone who opposes the GQP.

They say the person who posted it didn’t see the hoods. Normally I’d accept that, but Republicans have been really bold in recent years.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:07:02pm

re: #76 Crush White Nationalism

[Embedded content]

Lawrence County Republican Party apologizes for GOP logo with Ku Klux Klan imagery (al.com)

Dems should steal it and use it.

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cat-tikvah  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:07:40pm

re: #81 Crush White Nationalism

I expect that it was made by someone who opposes the GQP.

They say the person who posted it didn’t see the hoods. Normally I’d accept that, but Republicans have been really bold in recent years.

“We didn’t notice that an image from a Mother Jones story about racism in the GOP included Klansmen.”

Hooded figures resembling Klansmen can be seen in the space between the legs of a GOP elephant. The image was taken from a Mother Jones story about racism within the Republican Party.

“I would like to offer a deep and sincere apology for a picture that temporarily appeared on this page last night,” Terry posted Monday. “A Google search picture of a GOP elephant was used and later found to have hidden images that do not represent the views or beliefs of the Lawrence County Republican Party. The picture was then immediately replaced. As chairman I take full responsibility for the error- Shanon Terry.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:07:47pm

re: #81 Crush White Nationalism

I expect that it was made by someone who opposes the GQP.

They say the person who posted it didn’t see the hoods. Normally I’d accept that, but Republicans have been really bold in recent years.

Yes, they love insisting that the White Power hand gesture is just an “ok” or the “finger pointing game” or some such bullshit.

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:11:01pm

re: #82 A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS

Dems should steal it and use it.

Dems already have it. The Republican stole it.
motherjones.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:14:26pm

re: #85 Crush White Nationalism

Dems already have it. The Republican stole it.
motherjones.com

I really cannot tell if it was just a clueless intern or “accidentally on purpose”… Let them live with it.

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Teddy's Person  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:18:39pm

re: #59 Crush White Nationalism

the Washington fixture, a guy who I always considered to be a mainstream conservative, a guy who, in the past at least, expressed concerns about some of Donald Trump’s extremities, said to me, ‘Joe, we can replace the U.S. government.”

Wow, talk about saying the quite parts out loud.

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wrenchwench  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:20:32pm

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I really cannot tell if it was just a clueless intern or “accidentally on purpose”… Let them live with it.

An Internet search was credited with finding it for them. There’s always context to be found on the internet.

Guilty. Case close.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:21:34pm

Have a good one, Lizards and stay healthy.

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wrenchwench  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:23:58pm
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Teddy's Person  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:29:25pm

Here are the meanest lines from the Times review of Jared Kushner’s book.

My fav

“Reading this book reminded me of watching a cat lick a dog’s eye goo.”

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nines09  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:34:21pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

Memories….
“Ever get high Stevie? No? Well do we have some great news for you!”

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Dopamine Fish  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:34:49pm

What the FUCK is this shit:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:43:00pm

re: #93 Dopamine Fish

Can’t make those Nazis look bad now, can we?

/

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Crush White Nationalism  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:47:40pm

She wanted a jury of dumbasses who are OK with sedition.

A midstate woman charged with stealing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s laptop during the Jan. 6, 2021 Capitol attack was denied her request to move her trial to a Pennsylvania court.

Riley Williams, a 23-year-old from Mechanicsburg, argued the publicity about her case makes it impossible to find an unbiased jury in Washington, D.C.

She cited a study that found the majority of D.C. residents surveyed presumed guilt for those accused of participating in the Capitol attack.

Federal Judge Amy Berman Jackson wrote in her opinion that Williams didn’t prove a jury would be tainted, and said the survey missed a broad chunk of potential jurors.

Riley Williams, Pa. woman accused of stealing Pelosi’s laptop Jan. 6, denied venue change for trial (WITF)

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:47:58pm
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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:51:03pm

re: #96 The Pie Overlord!

That link doesn’t go anywhere. Was it supposed to go here?

better the first way ;-)

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Teddy's Person  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:51:03pm

re: #96 The Pie Overlord!

That link doesn’t go anywhere. Was it supposed to go here?

No, it was supposed to go to Literary Hub.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:51:20pm

re: #59 Crush White Nationalism

So Joe is surprised that the party of racists, homophobes, sexist, xenophobes and all-around general bigots are willing to protect a racist, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic bigot? Really?

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nines09  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:54:37pm

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:54:41pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:56:05pm

re: #76 Crush White Nationalism

Why apologize? This is who they are.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2022 • 1:58:20pm

re: #101 The Pie Overlord!

To the shock of absolutely no one.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:04:55pm

So I go to check my electric (SDGE) bill online and see it is in the negative so I figure somethings up. And it is:

SDG&E customers getting credits on August, September bills

[…]

For both August and September bills, San Diego Gas & Electric residential customers are getting back $64.17 in credit ($128.34 for the two months combined).

[…]

The credits being distributed through the California Climate Credit program, a California Public Utilities Commission initiative that is working to fight climate change.

Officials described the program: “The California Climate Credit is a state program that requires power plants, natural gas providers, and other large industries that emit greenhouse gases to buy carbon pollution permits. The credits on customers’ bills represent their share of the payments from the state’s program and provide customers with an increased opportunity to invest in energy-saving products.”

[…]

Oh, the horrors of socialism, I can hardly bear it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:06:11pm

re: #99 Patricia Kayden

So Joe is surprised that the party of racists, homophobes, sexist, xenophobes and all-around general bigots are willing to protect a racist, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic bigot? Really?

He’s shocked that they are willing to admit that they will overthrow the government to protect him.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:07:05pm

Tomorrow’s Wordle is not entirely sure how it got here from there, but it’s happy it got here.

Wordle 425 4/6

⬛🟨⬛⬛⬛
⬛⬛🟩⬛⬛
⬛⬛🟩⬛🟨
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

That last step was a doozy. Almost Holmesian: “When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

SibData: 3,4,4

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:10:17pm

YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!! Send Moscow Ron back to Putin!

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:14:15pm

re: #105 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s not surprising at all that people who support fascists will do anything to take power. They don’t care about democracy — just power. I’m glad that Joe’s eyes are finally opening up to the people who he used to share a party with.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:17:27pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:20:39pm

re: #109 Patricia Kayden

Odd. Men only +4, “Dads” +28.

But around 60% of all men are fathers.

Beware of dodgy stats.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:21:35pm

Up close and personal with the Meradalir volcano, videoed yesterday:

Youtube Video


..

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EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:22:41pm

re: #110 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Odd. Men only +4, “Dads” +28.

But around 60% of all men are fathers.

Beware of dodgy stats.

It’s wise to be wary when things look too good to be true. IMO the big earthquake in these stats, if they hold, is +7D among all women. That’s enough to cause major problems for Republican fascists.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:23:35pm

In the roughly 36 hours since that was taken, the volcano has undergone some significant shape change:

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William Lewis  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:24:45pm

re: #107 Patricia Kayden

YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!! Send Moscow Ron back to Putin!

4.3% margin of error on the poll too.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:29:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:30:45pm

re: #115 Patricia Kayden

Easier to lord over them that way.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:34:22pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:39:41pm

I saw Tim Miller’s book Why We Did It on the shelf of the local library, so I checked it out and am reading it (I refuse to spend money on anyone trying to cash in on a personal history of cultivating the right wing). I’m only about half through, but he lays bare the various funnels of info, the way these hacks form temporary alliances—he had one for a time with Chuck Johnson among other very unsavory characters—how getting into the “game” leads people like him to advocate for people who actively want to legislate against his interests as a gay man. It’s revolting and compelling.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:47:13pm

re: #109 Patricia Kayden

The forecast for the Democrats has continued to get better at fivethirtyeight.com, especially its odds of retaining control of the Senate. I think a lot of Americans eyes have been opened to the continuing threat the GOP presents to our freedoms.

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EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:49:36pm

re: #118 Barefoot Grin

I saw Tim Miller’s book Why We Did It on the shelf of the local library, so I checked it out and am reading it (I refuse to spend money on anyone trying to cash in on a personal history of cultivating the right wing). I’m only about half through, but he lays bare the various funnels of info, the way these hacks form temporary alliances—he had one for a time with Chuck Johnson among other very unsavory characters—how getting into the “game” leads people like him to advocate for people who actively want to legislate against his interests as a gay man. It’s revolting and compelling.

It’s clearly a game that is very easy to get into, and it can be very lucrative to swindle the most willfully gullible people in the world. That said, nobody with a conscience or ethics can possibly do this shit.

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nines09  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:51:52pm

Woof Woof.

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John Hughes  Aug 17, 2022 • 2:54:09pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

But single payer is pure communist evil.

/

Single payer is not interesting. It is one way of getting what is needed, universal health care.

Most countries get that with a mix of regulated insurance and social security funding.

(Also, “social security” is not necessarily government funded. For example in France the social security system is funded from wages and administered by the unions and the employers unions).

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William Lewis  Aug 17, 2022 • 3:01:23pm

re: #122 John Hughes

(Also, “social security” is not necessarily government funded. For example in France the social security system is funded from wages and administered by the unions and the employers unions).

That would horrify the wingnuts even more than universal health care.

(The idea of employers’ side unions wouldn’t even register it would be so out of their worldview)

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sagehen  Aug 17, 2022 • 3:04:21pm

re: #110 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Odd. Men only +4, “Dads” +28.

But around 60% of all men are fathers.

Beware of dodgy stats.

when they say “dads”, I think they probably mean dads of teens and younger. Dads of grownup women, not so much.

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jeffreyw  Aug 17, 2022 • 3:05:06pm

re: #121 nines09

Woof Woof.

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It’s a dragon

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nines09  Aug 17, 2022 • 3:07:34pm

re: #125 jeffreyw

Yes

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2022 • 3:15:41pm

re: #125 jeffreyw

It’s a dragon

re: #126 nines09

Falkor

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nines09  Aug 17, 2022 • 3:26:22pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

There for you every day and every night.
All you must do is….. look.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2022 • 3:31:53pm

re: #128 nines09

There for you every day and every night.
All you must do is….. look.

much like The Coop…

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nines09  Aug 17, 2022 • 3:37:15pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

much like The Coop…

I cannot escape nor would I wish to escape that crazy mutt.
He fills in holes in my life.
Little SOB knows it too.
He’s a load.
And we would be less without the maniac.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 17, 2022 • 3:58:25pm

re: #104 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

My wife could use that. Her gas bill doubled last month. Now it uses up about a third of her SSD payments.

It will never happen in Louisiana though.

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austin_blue  Aug 17, 2022 • 4:57:11pm

re: #121 nines09

Woof Woof.

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Look at The Good Vapor Boi!


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