Seth Meyers: DeSantis’ Cruel Martha’s Vineyard Stunt Backfires; Trump Humiliates J.D. Vance

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Seth takes a closer look at Republicans turning to their favorite election year scare tactic of lying about immigration, highlighted by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ sadistic stunt of luring undocumented migrants onto a plane to Martha’s Vineyard.

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1
Belafon  Sep 19, 2022 • 8:17:35pm

Found this picture on my phone. It’s from three years ago. It’s upstairs. About a year later, we out a gate up to keep the old man on the left, Rex, from trying to go upstairs, because he had to hop down the stairs and that was getting to be too much on the joints.

Two awesome dogs
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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 19, 2022 • 8:20:18pm

I truly loath DeSantis. He has a soul stained by enjoying and then profiteering from the suffering of other human beings.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 19, 2022 • 8:22:51pm

Translation: We have yet to forge any documentation.

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jaunte  Sep 19, 2022 • 8:25:43pm
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Captain Ron  Sep 19, 2022 • 8:36:07pm

Open Borders!

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ckkatz  Sep 19, 2022 • 8:39:22pm

I have heard the name Molly Conger, but am not familiar with the accuracy of her postings. Nonetheless, I thought this thread interesting.

Thread:

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ckkatz  Sep 19, 2022 • 8:41:14pm

Not certain if this has already been posted here -

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ckkatz  Sep 19, 2022 • 8:58:52pm

How to prevent customs agents from copying your phone’s content
U.S. customs is getting more invasive, with data from thousands of U.S. phones sitting in a central database

*snip*

Data copied from devices at entry points into the United States — including airports and border crossings — gets saved for 15 years in a database searchable by thousands of CBP employees without a warrant, The Washington Post’s Drew Harwell reported this week. The data includes contacts, call logs, messages and photos from phones, tablets and computers, according to CBP. It could also contain social media posts, medical and financial information, or internet browsing history, according to a report from the New York think tank Brennan Center for Justice.

*snip*

Unlike other law enforcement, border authorities don’t need a warrant to search your device. They may conduct a basic search — in which they scroll through your device inspecting texts, photos or anything else they can easily access — even if they don’t suspect you of wrongdoing. But if an agent suspects you pose a “national security concern,” they can run an advanced search using a digital forensics tool to copy the data from your device.

*snip*

If you’re an American citizen, you can refuse to unlock your devices for CBP agents and still enter the country. (This may not be clear from the information sheet agents are supposed to give you during the search, which says the process is “mandatory.”)

*snip*

Noncitizens, meanwhile, aren’t guaranteed entry if they decline to unlock their devices.

*snip*

Gift Article:
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Captain Ron  Sep 19, 2022 • 8:59:30pm
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ckkatz  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:01:58pm

re: #9 Captain Ron

Wasn’t the owner of the Carl’s Jr chain Andy Puzder? A big tfg supporter?

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Captain Ron  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:04:03pm

re: #8 ckkatz

They can also force you to use bio-metric unlock but not the code unlock.

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Captain Ron  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:05:40pm

re: #10 ckkatz

Wasn’t the owner of the Carl’s Jr chain Andy Puzder? A big tfg supporter?

I have no idea, I rarely ever eat there. I think it was more for humor than accurate.

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ckkatz  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:08:38pm

re: #11 Captain Ron

They can also force you to use bio-metric unlock but not the code unlock.

Heh, sometimes biometric locks do have their downsides. (From 2005)

A Malaysian businessman has lost a finger to car thieves impatient to get around his Mercedes’ fingerprint security system. Accountant K Kumaran, the BBC reports, had at first been forced to start the S-class Merc, but when the carjackers wanted to start it again without having him along, they chopped off the end of his index finger with a machete.

theregister.com

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Captain Ron  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:09:17pm

Our “two days of rain” turned out to be just 0.18”, not expecting much from the remnants.

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ckkatz  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:12:32pm

re: #11 Captain Ron

They can also force you to use bio-metric unlock but not the code unlock.

From what I understand, if you are a US citizen, they are supposed to let you in. However, it is likely to be without your device.

In theory, they are supposed to return it to you within 5 days. However, I suspect that while 5 days is optimistic, you are likely to eventually get most of it back somewhere down the road.

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Captain Ron  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:17:39pm
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ckkatz  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:21:56pm

Ianal, but these comments regarding the tfg response to Judge Dearie’s order sound interesting:

The tfg response
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A few legal observations:
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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:28:14pm

re: #11 Captain Ron

They can also force you to use bio-metric unlock but not the code unlock.

So turn off your phone before you go through customs. That way, fingerprints won’t work when you restart (at least on an iphone).

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:28:56pm

re: #10 ckkatz

Wasn’t the owner of the Carl’s Jr chain Andy Puzder? A big tfg supporter?

Yes, he was.

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ckkatz  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:37:25pm

re: #14 Captain Ron

The fetid swamp that is Virginia actually had a dry weekend. And it looks like the next meaningful rainfall isn’t until Thursday. So I have been able to actually get some yardwork done.

I spent Sunday afternoon digging out vegetation from the cracks in the pavement in front of my house. Some of it was getting close to a foot high.

Today (and likely tomorrow) was raking up fallen leaves and tree debris preparatory to raking fallen leaves and tree debris from the autumn leaf fall next month.

After that, up onto the roof to clean out the gutters preparatory to getting up on the roof and cleaning out the gutters in November. *sigh*

At least the annual bear migrant seems to have gone East of me this year. Passing through Wolftrap and into Vienna. They usually head southeast until they either are tranq-darted and dumped back into the Appalachians or they catch a car down around Springfield.

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William Lewis  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:42:12pm

re: #18 A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS

So turn off your phone before you go through customs. That way, fingerprints won’t work when you restart (at least on an iphone).

Same way on my android from Motorola.

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mmmirele  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:49:07pm

Bringing this over from the previous topic.

re: #56 austin_blue

I’m off to finish a book in the peace and quiet of the bedroom, since PBS is rebroadcasting the first episode of the Ken Burns series on the Shoah. Second and third two-hour segments (it’s only six hours long) on Tuesday and Wednesday.

People I heard today were asking “How much did the Brits pay for that funeral?”

I think the answers was “not that much” given that almost all of the participants were taking the King’s Shilling.

But JFC on a trampoline, nobody does proper pomp like those Pommie Bastards. That display was just magnificent. A right and proper send off for the old girl.

We’ll have another state funeral to compare it to next week, when on Tuesday, September 27 (Monday our time) the state funeral for Abe Shinzo is held. The Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) basically forced upon the country, which is paying for it (~$12 million). It will take place in the Budokan (an arena famed for rock concerts among other things). VP Kamala Harris will represent the USA at the funeral.

For a rather in-depth discussion in English about why the state funeral is ticking people off, here’s an article:

japantimes.co.jp

Oh, and this whole notion of following the rules (as discussed in the article) is a very big thing in Japan. The current prime minister, Kishida Fumio, steamrolled over any opposition in the beginning, but now people are asking, “but hey, this isn’t in the statutes or constitution, guys.”

To be clear, the state funeral is going to happen, but the LDP already has a huge problem with the fact that it appears to have been captured by a Korean religion (the Unification Church aka Moonies). The funeral is likely to cause the LDP’s popularity to dip further. I’ve said it before, but the actions of the assassin, who was motivated by Abe’s connection to the UC and the UC’s impact on his own family, has caused a massive reckoning regarding the presence of the UC in government in general for over half a century.

(To be clear: Jake Adelstein is kinda weird, but he’s lived in Japan 30 years, and used to be a journalist at one of the big Japanese papers, but his job made him kinda weird.)

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ckkatz  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:49:20pm

And of course, this FDA warning is totally normal:

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mmmirele  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:55:38pm

One of my friends who doesn’t normally watch TV apparently did so today, and said:

fucking gingrich on tv. someone turned him into a newt, and he DIDN’T get better. :(

Reference for anyone who needs a refresher:

Youtube Video

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ckkatz  Sep 19, 2022 • 9:57:58pm

re: #22 mmmirele

I appreciate contextual information like this. (As well as your knowledge regarding the Evangelical world.) As I know far too little about either area.

I had always assumed that Japanese political culture was fairly shrouded. (I am resisting the use of ‘inscrutable’.) But it sounds like that shroud is finally coming off. Personally, I think that is a good thing. I am also wondering if the younger Japanese and Korean generations are much different than their parents and grand parents.

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mmmirele  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:03:22pm

re: #18 A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS

So turn off your phone before you go through customs. That way, fingerprints won’t work when you restart (at least on an iphone).

Fingerprints won’t work on my phone because I have one of those glass screen protectors on it, and I have never been able to get fingerprints to work with it. Occasionally face recognition works, but the go to for getting the thing open is tapping in my PIN. Since I got my phone several months ago, I have gotten used to just putting the PIN in.

As for why I got a screen protector—the Galaxy S10+ had a CRAPTASTIC glass screen, completely marred with scratches over 2ish years I had it. I only used my fingers on it, I have no idea why it was so scratched up. I decided I was going to put a screen on the new phone and maybe I wouldn’t feel so impelled to trade it in two years down the road. So far, the screen has worked fine.

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ckkatz  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:06:00pm

re: #24 mmmirele

Speaking of the grinch and his warmed over ‘contract’. While ‘edgy’, this tweet covers the ground:

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Captain Ron  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:06:10pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:06:23pm

re: #12 Captain Ron

I have no idea, I rarely ever eat there. I think it was more for humor than accurate.

HE IS.

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JC1  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:09:19pm

4/6. Thought I had it in 3, but alas.

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ckkatz  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:11:53pm

Which leads back to the very good question that Captain Ron brought up -

What is a good restaurant chain for atheists?

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ckkatz  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:16:09pm

re: #26 mmmirele

I’ve been using a two piece otter case over my samsung. Knock on wood, the screen seems to be holding up okay.

I lost my previous samsung to the dreaded “green screen of death”. It turned out that this was a very common affliction of the video chip overheating and frying the board. :(

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Targetpractice  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:17:29pm

re: #17 ckkatz

Ianal, but these comments regarding the tfg response to Judge Dearie’s order sound interesting:

The tfg response
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Yeah, this is why forum-shopping this shit to Loose Cannon was a massive mistake, assuming that her decision to play “fill-in-the-blanks” with their legal filings to give Donny what he demanded would continue to fly with whoever ended up being appointed the special master. Word since yesterday is that his stooges picked Judge Dearie because they hoped his part in the Carter Page warrant business had soured his relationship with the FBI and would make him more amenable to their “privilege” BS.

Trump’s team is about to learn what it feels like to be a bug on a windshield.

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mmmirele  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:18:27pm

re: #28 Captain Ron

One of Becky Chambers’ Wayfarers novels (Record of a Spaceborn Few) has human composting as a subplot and gives a fairly complete description. The first time I heard of such a thing was in passing in Heinlein’s The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, which I read in the 1970s. In an essentially closed society, whether Heinlein’s Luna or Chambers’ Fleet, human composting is a way of not poisoning the earth with embalming fluid or polluting the air with the byproducts of cremation. And it keeps the rare minerals our bodies carry with us in the environment and not dispersed.

Oh yeah, just a reminder—every element above iron on the periodic table of elements was either created via seeding in an asymptotic giant branch stars (s-process) or via supernovae or neutron star mergers (r-process). And of course *everything* started out in the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago.

/sorry, not sorry for waxing rhapsodic about “we are stardust”.

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ckkatz  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:20:26pm

Good nite all! Time to head to bed and prepare to again venture out into the wilds of my backyard on the morrow, and do battle with weeds, mosquitos, dead leaves and fallen twigs. :/

For the Dad joke…

Tablets were replaced by scrolls, scrolls were replaced by books.
Now we scroll through books on tablets.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:20:28pm

re: #28 Captain Ron

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:24:10pm

Duolingo is making a pretty significant change to their UI. I haven’t gotten it yet, but if you want to see how people don’t like change, check out the various Twitter reactions to it.

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A Cranky One  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:24:35pm

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:25:33pm

re: #34 mmmirele

One of Becky Chambers’ Wayfarers novels (Record of a Spaceborn Few) has human composting as a subplot and gives a fairly complete description. The first time I heard of such a thing was in passing in Heinlein’s The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, which I read in the 1970s. In an essentially closed society, whether Heinlein’s Luna or Chambers’ Fleet, human composting is a way of not poisoning the earth with embalming fluid or polluting the air with the byproducts of cremation. And it keeps the rare minerals our bodies carry with us in the environment and not dispersed.

Oh yeah, just a reminder—every element above iron on the periodic table of elements was either created via seeding in an asymptotic giant branch stars (s-process) or via supernovae or neutron star mergers (r-process). And of course *everything* started out in the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago.

/sorry, not sorry for waxing rhapsodic about “we are stardust”.

I think the estimate is that we’re the product of a third star, after two lifetimes and explosions.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:43:39pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

Yeah, this is why forum-shopping this shit to Loose Cannon was a massive mistake, assuming that her decision to play “fill-in-the-blanks” with their legal filings to give Donny what he demanded would continue to fly with whoever ended up being appointed the special master. Word since yesterday is that his stooges picked Judge Dearie because they hoped his part in the Carter Page warrant business had soured his relationship with the FBI and would make him more amenable to their “privilege” BS.

Trump’s team is about to learn what it feels like to be a bug on a windshield.

From the NYT articles posted downstairs, it appears that team trump misread the room:

The website Axios reported that the Trump team did so (offered Dearie as acceptable Special Master) because the lawyers believed that the judge shared their skepticism of the F.B.I., because he was one of the judges on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court who approved of warrants to surveil a 2016 Trump campaign adviser named Carter Page. Two of the four warrants the court approved were later declared invalid.

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mmmirele  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:44:25pm

re: #39 Belafon

I think the estimate is that we’re the product of a third star, after two lifetimes and explosions.

At least a third generation star. After hydrogen recombination and then the universe becoming transparent after the Big Bang (~400,000 years?), stars began to form and then become supernovae. This can happen relatively quickly (at least in star terms). Betelgeuse, which is thought to be close (~100,000 years) to becoming a supernova, is only 10 million years old. You can cram a whole lot of 10 million year old exploding stars into a billion years.

The one thing that astonishes me about Type II supernovae is that the last stage (silicon to nickel, which decays into cobalt and then into iron) takes only about five days before degeneracy occurs, the star collapses and then explodes.

I still have it on my bucket list that I’d like to see a naked eye supernova before I die. No, SN 1987A does not count, it was in the Southern Hemisphere and not terribly spectacular because of distance. It’s not like my then-boyfriend and I didn’t talk about going to South America to see it, but I was in law school, so we couldn’t swing it. (Yes, I’m weird.)

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Captain Ron  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:48:21pm

re: #38 A Cranky One

…and the Queen wasn’t a shit.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:49:53pm

re: #30 JC1

4/6. Thought I had it in 3, but alas.

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Sigh. 5 for me…

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:52:11pm

re: #41 mmmirele

I braved the wilds of Wyoming to see a total eclipse of the sun, and I’m thinking about Australia next year. I don’t think you’re weird.

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Captain Ron  Sep 19, 2022 • 10:59:45pm

re: #41 mmmirele

I’ve seen big bolides, comets, and a total solar eclipse. Supernova is on my bucket list.

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Targetpractice  Sep 19, 2022 • 11:01:28pm

re: #40 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

From the NYT articles posted downstairs, it appears that team trump misread the room:

The biggest issue facing Team Trump in both forums (Dearie and 11th Cir) is the same as it always is for any lawyers defending Trump: He can’t keep his fucking mouth shut. He’s been screaming for weeks that everything was declassified, that he can do it with just the wave of a hand, and anything he declassified is automatically his. While they’ve been at least self-aware enough not to make such arguments in Cannon’s court, they’ve tried to insinuate that nothing taken was classified and so Trump has a rightful claim of ownership under “privilege.” And the moment a higher court shows the least bit of skepticism about that claim, they spray out a cloud of squid ink about how they don’t have to actually prove any of that because it would hurt Donny’s defense if (read: when) criminal charges are eventually brought.

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Nyet  Sep 19, 2022 • 11:13:17pm

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Nyet  Sep 19, 2022 • 11:17:24pm

re: #47 Nyet

This one went worse.

Wördl 458 5/6

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wrenchwench  Sep 19, 2022 • 11:33:07pm

One of my brothers has been there. Studying the frogies.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 19, 2022 • 11:44:13pm

Seems like the commanders of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet are getting nervous about their position in Crimea.

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Targetpractice  Sep 19, 2022 • 11:51:03pm

2:30 in the ante-frakin’-meridiem is when a disabled old woman decides she needs to move the metric fuckton of shit she brought with her from her vehicle to her room.

“Don’t you have anybody to help disabled guests?” Well no, ma’am, we generally don’t expect disabled guests to move their entire house in the dead of night.

What’s telling to me is that the woman on the driver’s ID submitted at check-in does not resemble the woman in the room, which makes me think we’ve got another case of a family basically ditching an elderly relative at the hotel like we’re a low-rent nursing home.

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sagehen  Sep 19, 2022 • 11:55:07pm

re: #42 Captain Ron

…and the Queen wasn’t a shit.

although some of her ancestors…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 19, 2022 • 11:57:24pm

re: #51 Targetpractice

You should write a book about your adventures at work.

Or a screenplay for a series. I can see it being a hit.

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Captain Ron  Sep 20, 2022 • 12:09:53am

re: #53 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

You should write a book about your adventures at work.

Or a screenplay for a series. I can see it being a hit.

They already made “Four Rooms”. I can see Targetpractice chopping off a finger.

YouTube

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 20, 2022 • 12:24:44am

Youtube Video

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2022 • 12:24:48am

re: #53 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

You should write a book about your adventures at work.

Or a screenplay for a series. I can see it being a hit.

Amusingly, most of my stories are pretty tame compared to many I’ve read on social media from my fellow front desk drones. Of course, it helps that I’m working almost 20 minutes from the oceanfront, so most of the clientele we get are people too cheap to pay for a decent room right on the beach.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 20, 2022 • 12:25:43am

re: #56 Targetpractice

re: #54 Captain Ron

I think an anthology of your stories, or stories you heard from your colleagues, has potential.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 20, 2022 • 12:27:05am

So I’m checking out the latest version of Youtube Music… I hadn’t checked it out in months and they’ve changed the UI to be more like other music streaming services.

Overall I think I like it.

I still don’t understand how Youtube can offer such a huge catalog of music for no cost.

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wrenchwench  Sep 20, 2022 • 12:28:05am

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Nyet  Sep 20, 2022 • 12:35:06am

re: #47 Nyet

This one took some time.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2022 • 12:35:29am

re: #57 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I think an anthology of your stories, or stories you heard from your colleagues, has potential.

I’ve toyed with the idea of writing a book off and on, something of a “How To”-style book about the Ins and Outs of staying in hotels.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2022 • 1:23:17am

Clinton: “I did not have sex with that woman!”
DT: “I did not have classification with that document!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2022 • 1:39:09am

re: #23 ckkatz

‘Do Not Cook Your Chicken in NyQuil’

Colonel Slumbers

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2022 • 1:42:21am

re: #36 Belafon

Then the people who don’t like it don’t have to do it. Why does “the church” think it needs to get involved in other people’s lives?

The Catholic Church in Germany has come out in opposition to “forest burials” in which one’s ashes are buried under trees, they say it is a reversion to “pagan practices”.

Because nothing says “modern religion” like embalming and sealing someone in a lead-lined box.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2022 • 1:51:26am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Catholic Church in Germany has come out in opposition to “forest burials” in which one’s ashes are buried under trees, they say it is a reversion to “pagan practices”.

Because nothing says “modern religion” like embalming and sealing someone in a lead-lined box.

See, that’s the issue with the modern Catholic Church, they’re not acting in the spirit of their ideological ancestors who saw an opportunity in co-opting/rebranding pagan religious observances/practices as Christian ones in order to forcibly convert the pagans.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2022 • 2:07:12am

re: #65 Targetpractice

See, that’s the issue with the modern Catholic Church, they’re not acting in the spirit of their ideological ancestors who saw an opportunity in co-opting/rebranding pagan religious observances/practices as Christian ones in order to forcibly convert the pagans.

they no longer see the need as they are now the dominant religion. now it is all about suppressing paganism.

the Lutheran Church is very much opposed to Hallowe’en in Germany, mostly because it falls on Reformation Day, and also supposedly because it promotes paganism.

There are some regions previously inhabited by the Celts (including our village) where Hallowe’en never died out, it is celebrated as Klumpennacht where the kids dress up and go about the village with lanterns made of turnips (Klumpen) and collect treats.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 2:16:54am

Here’s some Turkish darkwave for everyone:

Youtube Video

Really good.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 2:21:56am

And here’s the lyrics to that song, first in Turkish, then in English:

[1st verse]
Gözləməkdən gözlərimdə qala qurdum
Yoxdu fərqi yollar boş gəlir artıq
Yağır göydən ovcuma günahlarım
Dərinlərdə boşluqda bir sən yatır

[Refrain]
Uzaqda qal
Məni hərdən xatırla
İndi başqa
Tam başqa bir adamam

Uzaqda qal
Uzaqda qal
Uzaqda qal

[2nd verse]
Tükənmiş arzularım ümidlərimə bağlandım
Sonsuz yollar yenə məni səndən qopardı
Ulduzlara bax orda sevgimiz yanır
Bəzi şeylər bizlərdən çox uzaqdı

[Refrain]
Uzaqda qal
Məni hərdən xatırla
İndi başqa
Tam başqa bir adamam
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English:

[1st verse]
I built a castle in my eyes from waiting
It doesn’t matter, the roads are empty now
It rains my sins from the sky
Deep in the void lies a you

[Refrain]
Stay away
Remember me sometimes
Now another
I am a completely different person

Stay away
Stay away
Stay away

[2nd verse]
I clung to my exhausted hopes
Endless roads took me away from you again
Look at the stars, our love is burning there
Some things were far from us

[Refrain]
Stay away
Remember me sometimes
Now another
I am a completely different person

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 20, 2022 • 2:21:56am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 20, 2022 • 2:26:25am

re: #46 Targetpractice

The biggest issue facing Team Trump in both forums (Dearie and 11th Cir) is the same as it always is for any lawyers defending Trump: He can’t keep his fucking mouth shut. He’s been screaming for weeks that everything was declassified, that he can do it with just the wave of a hand, and anything he declassified is automatically his. While they’ve been at least self-aware enough not to make such arguments in Cannon’s court, they’ve tried to insinuate that nothing taken was classified and so Trump has a rightful claim of ownership under “privilege.” And the moment a higher court shows the least bit of skepticism about that claim, they spray out a cloud of squid ink about how they don’t have to actually prove any of that because it would hurt Donny’s defense if (read: when) criminal charges are eventually brought.

It’s glorious to see, isn’t it?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2022 • 2:31:42am

re: #69 Patricia Kayden

So let me get this straight: Republicans are criminalizing women crossing state lines for abortions but, they’re perfectly ok with trafficking asylum seekers — across the country?

Time to start floating rumors that one of those immigrants was pregnant and used her stay in Massachusetts to get a state-funded abortion.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2022 • 2:46:07am

re: #70 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It’s glorious to see, isn’t it?

Yeah, especially when we all know it’s only going to get worse. I figure in next 24-48 hours we’ll see two things happen:

1. Trump will begin attacking Judge Dearie as (what else?) biased against him for insisting upon evidence to support the assertion that none of the documents were classified and that he won’t agree to Loose Cannon’s obvious effort to drag this shit out by setting the deadline as Nov 30th.

2. Trump’s lawyers will be back before Cannon, demanding that she put a leash on Judge Dearie and just end the charade that this is an independent review rather than a blatant attempt at obstructing justice.

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TarHellion  Sep 20, 2022 • 3:03:55am

Good start helped secure the birbie. Summer refusing to give up - at least through Thursday - with temps expected into the 90s. A good day to all the fine folks here!

Click to Reveal

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sagehen  Sep 20, 2022 • 3:07:03am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because nothing says “modern religion” like embalming and sealing someone in a lead-lined box.

Judaism isn’t exactly “modern”, but… a proper burial by our traditions involves no embalming, no sealed box, none of that satin pillows and what-not. Either wrap the deceased in a plain linen shroud, or put them in a simple wooden box (not air-tight, not water-tight), and they can start decomposing as soon as they’re in the ground.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 3:11:10am

LOL. Pootie-poot just can’t catch a break, can he?

Two of Turkey’s largest banks have suspended their acceptance of Russia’s Mir payments system after U.S. warnings of punishment for sanctions evasion, Bloomberg reported Monday.

Mir (Russian for “peace” and “world”) became an alternative for Russian travelers after their Visa and Mastercard cards stopped working abroad. The two international payment system providers suspended Russian operations over the country’s Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine.

Turkey’s largest private lender IsBank and Denizbank, a Turkish unit of the United Arab Emirates’ NBD, suspended transactions through Russia’s Mir system.

The U.S. Treasury warned banks outside the United States last week that dealing with Mir would “risk supporting Russia’s efforts to evade U.S. sanctions.”

themoscowtimes.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2022 • 3:13:13am

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

LOL. Pootie-poot just can’t catch a break, can he?

themoscowtimes.com

When Erdogan gives up on you…

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 3:15:04am

Good news.

Gas storage facilities in Germany are more than 90% full, according to data released by the Aggregated Gas Storage Inventory (Agsi), a European energy data platform.

The German government has planned for 95% of storage capacity to be filled by November. The storage is seen as essential for Germany to get through winter without Russian gas imports.

“If everything goes well, savings in Germany are high and we will have a bit of luck with the weather, we will have a chance at getting through the winter comfortably,” Economy Minister Robert Habeck said on Monday.

“That means, however, that the storage facilities will be empty again at the end of the winter, in this case really empty, because we are going to use the gas,” he added.

dw.com

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2022 • 3:17:35am

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

LOL. Pootie-poot just can’t catch a break, can he?

themoscowtimes.com

“WE HAVE NO NEED FOR DECADENT CAPITALIST CREDIT CARDS, WE HAVE OUR OWN BANK SERVICES AND…and…dude, why won’t you take my card?”

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 3:22:11am

re: #78 Targetpractice

“WE HAVE NO NEED FOR DECADENT CAPITALIST CREDIT CARDS, WE HAVE OUR OWN BANK SERVICES AND…and…dude, why won’t you take my card?”

Russia is quickly becoming a pariah state. Which they’ve got coming to ‘em, to be brutally honest, but I do acknowledge that the Kremlin’s propagandists and Putin’s toadies around the world will use that as an opportunity to play the victim card and shriek, “OMG WHY ARE YOU ALL SO MEAN TO US?! IT’S BLATANT RUSSOPHOBIA!!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2022 • 3:32:49am

re: #79 Dr Lizardo

Wonder when Putin will complain that he’s no longer invited to parties at Martha’s Vineyard…

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 3:33:53am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Wonder when Putin will complain that he’s no longer invited to parties at Martha’s Vineyard…

He can invite Trump and Dershowitz to his dacha in Sochi to commiserate. With any luck, he’ll keep them both.

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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 3:50:41am

re: #9 Captain Ron

[Embedded content]

Said breathlessly:

“Let’s go eat at In-N-Out. They print Bible verses on stuff.”

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 20, 2022 • 3:55:47am

re: #82 Dangerman

Said breathlessly:

“Let’s go eat at In-N-Out. They print Bible verses on stuff.”

Do they have a Caesar salad on the menu?

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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 3:57:07am

re: #17 ckkatz

Ianal, but these comments regarding the tfg response to Judge Dearie’s order sound interesting:

The tfg response
.

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What a dumb thing to have to do.
And say

Yes the stuff marked classified is classified

Shall means shall

Up is up

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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 4:03:09am

re: #33 Targetpractice

Yeah, this is why forum-shopping this shit to Loose Cannon was a massive mistake, assuming that her decision to play “fill-in-the-blanks” with their legal filings to give Donny what he demanded would continue to fly with whoever ended up being appointed the special master. Word since yesterday is that his stooges picked Judge Dearie because they hoped his part in the Carter Page warrant business had soured his relationship with the FBI and would make him more amenable to their “privilege” BS.

Trump’s team is about to learn what it feels like to be a bug on a windshield.

Sometimes youre the Louisville slugger, baby,
Sometimes you’re the ball…

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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 4:05:13am

re: #36 Belafon

[Embedded content]

We’ll let you burn em, even rot em in the ground, but not in a box.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 20, 2022 • 4:06:23am

And here we go.

Click to Reveal

Wordle 458 5/6

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Nyet  Sep 20, 2022 • 4:16:37am

Medvedev has explained the goal of the annexation: so that, after the new territories are formally declared Russian in the constitution, no future ruler would have any wiggle room in regard to them. So they are setting up a “psychological” red line to allow themselves even more in the future than they have already done.

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This war mapper has been retweeted by Higgins, so I take it it’s a good source (unlike the sketchy Chuck Pfarrer/Mriya Report):

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 20, 2022 • 4:18:55am

I’ll take it. 3/6

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 4:19:31am

LOL, Putin’s days are just getting worse and worse.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 20, 2022 • 4:43:35am

re: #3 GlutenFreeJesus

[Embedded content]

Translation: We have yet to forge any documentation.

Or: We are just trying to waste as much time as possible. We will get back to you in a few weeks.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 20, 2022 • 4:45:36am

re: #91 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Or: We are just trying to waste as much time as possible. We will get back to you in a few weeks.

That becomes apparently obvious when you read the entirety of the Trump team’s letter to Judge Dearie. They explicitly say, “Yeah, we don’t think your timeline is good, there’s no way we can finish any earlier than the end of November.” Which is, conveniently, after the midterm elections, indicating that he is counting on a Republican majority in Congress to take the heat off him.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 20, 2022 • 4:47:56am

re: #15 ckkatz

From what I understand, if you are a US citizen, they are supposed to let you in. However, it is likely to be without your device.

In theory, they are supposed to return it to you within 5 days. However, I suspect that while 5 days is optimistic, you are likely to eventually get most of it back somewhere down the road.

Or they borrow the chip for a bit while the rest of your phone is “stored” in a cement mixer and accidentally mangled.

(I knew just a few too many people in college who wanted to go into law enforcement for all the wrong reasons. Mainly having to do with personality.)

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sagehen  Sep 20, 2022 • 4:56:07am

So MSNBC is doing a full-court press promoting the PBS Holocaust documentary; Ken Burns and Lyn Novack are showing up for interviews on Every. Single. Show. Morning, afternoon and evening. Also of course Colbert.

Are CNN or Fox inviting them on?

Something they keep stressing — it was originally planned for next year, but they were so alarmed at what they’ve seen happening here in politics that they put everything else aside and rushed to get this done for now.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 20, 2022 • 4:57:16am

Ohio passed a law requiring that girls playing school sports be sexually assaulted in order to prove that they are really girls, and I am not making that up.

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Nyet  Sep 20, 2022 • 5:19:33am

And the nuclear threats start.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2022 • 5:24:12am

re: #85 Dangerman

Sometimes youre the Louisville slugger, baby,
Sometimes you’re the ball…

“This document is classified”

-“That depends on what your definition of ‘is’ is!”

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Nyet  Sep 20, 2022 • 5:29:33am

re: #96 Nyet

Girkin is finally relatively optimistic.

m.vk.com

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 5:34:21am

re: #98 Nyet

Girkin is finally relatively optimistic.

m.vk.com

The West just needs to straight-up say, publicly, “The war will continue until Russia is defeated, by which we mean, they will leave the entirety of Ukrainian territory, they will renounce any and all territorial claims on Ukraine and they will agree to pay reparations for the damage they’ve caused. End of story.”

And start absolutely pouring weapons into Ukraine. Russia must realize they will not win this.

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Nyet  Sep 20, 2022 • 5:38:10am

re: #99 Dr Lizardo

And the West will probably again fail in regard to the weapons. As I wrote earlier, long-range missile systems should have been sent months ago, the training would have been complete by now. Germany won’t even give their tanks. Useless.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2022 • 5:39:58am

re: #99 Dr Lizardo

The West just needs to straight-up say, publicly, “The war will continue until Russia is defeated, by which we mean, they will leave the entirety of Ukrainian territory, they will renounce any and all territorial claims on Ukraine and they will agree to pay reparations…

As much as I agree with the idea of reparations in principle, it is not likely that Russia would ever agree to them, much less realistically ever pay them.

I would find it victory enough to get Russia to withdraw and restore the borders of Ukraine to pre-2014 and renounce all claims.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 5:40:07am

re: #100 Nyet

And the West will probably again fail in regard to the weapons. As I wrote earlier, long-range missile systems should have been sent months ago, the training would have been complete by now. Germany won’t even give their tanks. Useless.

IIRC, American Lend-Lease starts on 1 October. Germany seems to be under the persistent illusion that we’ll all just go back to business as usual with the Russians as soon as this unpleasantness is finished (and who knows, maybe that’s what they really think).

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 5:41:47am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

As much as I agree with the idea of reparations in principle, it is not likely that Russia would ever agree to them, much less realistically ever pay them.

I would find it victory enough to get Russia to withdraw and restore the borders of Ukraine to pre-2014 and renounce all claims.

Yeah, that would be victory, in my book as well. As for reparations, of course, the Russians won’t agree to it, so that’s why we move to seize that $300 billion in Russian cash we’ve frozen so far and hand it over to Ukraine and tell Putin to go fuck himself.

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Nyet  Sep 20, 2022 • 5:45:23am

re: #102 Dr Lizardo

Lend-lease won’t change the fact of Biden not sending ATACMS to Ukraine.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 5:50:10am

re: #104 Nyet

Lend-lease won’t change the fact of Biden not sending ATACMS to Ukraine.

Personally, if it were up to me, I’d do it. That’s one where I really wish Biden would change his mind.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 20, 2022 • 5:53:43am

re: #102 Dr Lizardo

It will be interesting to see how Germany handles the coming winter. If it’s difficult for them I can see them trying to slowly get back to “normal”.

bloomberg.com

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 20, 2022 • 5:57:16am

re: #43 Hecuba’s daughter

Sigh. 5 for me…

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A Mom Anon  Sep 20, 2022 • 5:58:20am

Ya’all, I need some advice and this is probably going to be long.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:01:46am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:04:43am

re: #108 A Mom Anon

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:08:28am

re: #108 A Mom Anon

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A Mom Anon  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:12:52am

re: #110 GlutenFreeJesus

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Ming5000  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:13:28am

Interesting point about recent polling and how it fails to capture the expected increase of women voters due to Dobbs. This Marist poll shows a decline.

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dat_said  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:20:05am

re: #113 Ming5000

Interesting point about recent polling and how it fails to capture the expected increase of women voters due to Dobbs. This Marist poll shows a decline.

In the replies - Marist adjusts to reflect 2020 turnout:

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HRH Stanley Sea  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:24:43am

Meh
🏌‍♀️
Repeated wrong placement. Duh.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:24:52am
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darthstar  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:31:04am

I see the former guy is whining about how he would have gotten a front row seat when they buried the dead lady…and probably would have been invited to give a 45 minute eulogy covering everything from his secret knighthood to Hillary’s emails.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:32:31am

re: #111 Dopamine Fish

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:35:45am

re: #117 darthstar

I see the former guy is whining about how he would have gotten a front row seat when they buried the dead lady…and probably would have been invited to give a 45 minute eulogy covering everything from his secret knighthood to Hillary’s emails.

To be honest I do not see any wannabe Trump successor getting this level of attention by the media or anyone else, or at least without a lot of push-back or “here we go again” eye-rolling. Especially for petulant whining and floor-to-ceiling blatant lying.

The second generation US fascist will have to take a different tack.

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jeffreyw  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:40:12am

Good morning!

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:41:50am

re: #100 Nyet

And the West will probably again fail in regard to the weapons. As I wrote earlier, long-range missile systems should have been sent months ago, the training would have been complete by now. Germany won’t even give their tanks. Useless.

From Ukraine update: Ukraine doesn’t need ATACMS (for now):

There is an article of faith among certain circles that Ukraine “needs” ATACMS in order to finish off the Russians. ATACMS are long-range rockets fired by HIMARS/MLRS launchers. Here’s the difference between GMLRS, which is what Ukraine has been firing, and ATACMS:





NAMENUMBER/PODRANGEWARHEADCOST
GMLRS680km (48mi)200 lbs$160K
ATACMS1300km (190mi)500 lbs$1M

(There’s only so much I can do with formatting of tables in here, sorry)

The advantages of ATACMS are clear: hitting targets in Crimea, maybe some rail depots deep behind enemy lines in the Donbas. The disadvantages are that the payload is weak, the number of rockets is limited, they are vulnerable to Russian air defenses, and most important Russian targets are already in range of GMLRS.

Unlike what many think, ATACMS can’t bring down the Kerch bridge, not even close. Witness the dozens of GMLRS that have hit bridges around Kherson, and they still haven’t taken down most of them despite the bigger overall explosive punch. Russia tried to take down the bridge connecting Odesa with Moldova and a slice of Ukrainian territory to the south, lobbing several volleys of cruise missiles (with 1,100-pound warheads) at the bridge and its support structures. It failed, eventually giving up after multiple attacks.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:43:47am
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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:44:34am

re: #116 Belafon

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A reasonably reasonable explanation about what “the pandemic is over” means.

The pandemic is over?

As a practical matter, however, the pandemic is finished in that it’s no longer materially affecting daily life. People are working, going to school, going out to theaters and restaurants. While masking still happens, it’s rarely mandatory anymore, and the majority decline to do it voluntarily. Those who are going to get vaccinated pretty much have, and those who aren’t, haven’t. Something approaching herd immunity has been accomplished, even if the U.S. and other nations didn’t quite get 100% of the way there.

In short, COVID is no longer a five-alarm crisis; it’s settled in as a lower-level fact of life that is going to be with us for a long time (and probably permanently). There’s no value in Joe Biden pretending otherwise, so he gave a truthful (and reasonably nuanced) answer. What else was he going to say?

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:45:37am
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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:46:34am

re: #117 darthstar

I see the former guy is whining about how he would have gotten a front row seat when they buried the dead lady…and probably would have been invited to give a 45 minute eulogy covering everything from his secret knighthood to Hillary’s emails.

I could see him ignoring everything, bulling and muscling his way towards the front, then being “gently and firmly” escorted aft.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:52:28am
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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:52:51am

And (ianal)

Declassifying doesn’t magically make them personal docs. *
Theyre still govt docs and they still belong to the govt.

*anymore than your seat cushion “becomes” a flotation device. Its still a seat cushion, that maybe floats

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lawhawk  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:53:48am

re: #123 Dangerman

Another way to frame this is that the American public is willing to accept 100k dead from covid each year going forward - 10x the annual flu death tally.

The right wing extremists have decided they want to shuffle off the mortal coil by refusing to vaccinate or take any reasonable precautions to protect themselves or those they love.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:54:52am

3/6 Should have had it in 2!

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Dave In Austin  Sep 20, 2022 • 6:59:05am

re: #82 Dangerman

Said breathlessly:

“Let’s go eat at In-N-Out. They print Bible verses on stuff.”

They do? I never noticed.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:01:00am

WE ARE TEH LAW & ORDER PARTY!!11!!1!!

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:01:06am

re: #127 Dangerman

And (ianal)

Declassifying doesn’t magically make them personal docs. *
Theyre still govt docs and they still belong to the govt.

*anymore than your seat cushion “becomes” a flotation device. Its still a seat cushion, that maybe floats

He wants the focus on declassifying because it’s an easy “gotcha” against people who don’t know better. The legal problem he’s facing is that declassifying is irrelevant to the crimes being investigated. This is why the government has been emphasizing “documents with classified markings” - specifically avoiding saying “classified documents” - because that’s the part that’s important. It’s easy to go out there and shout about his magical powers of declassification, but in court, it’s a sideshow.

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coin operated  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:02:07am

re: #127 Dangerman

And (ianal)

Declassifying doesn’t magically make them personal docs. *
Theyre still govt docs and they still belong to the govt.

This is where the DOJ has him by the balls…the subpoena for returning docs specifically asked for docs with classified markings. As emptywheel pointed out…his claims of declassification are merely another news-cycle delay tactic.

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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:02:49am

David frum

Reality is real; it can be ignored on cable news but not from the White House. A great country cannot be governed by juvenile memes from hate-filled message boards.”

Problem is that these days, about 40% of Americans want this. They think it is precisely what noble leadership and good governance is.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:03:28am

re: #125 Dangerman

I could see him ignoring everything, bulling and muscling his way towards the front, then being “gently and firmly” escorted aft.

Trump would’ve pitched a goddamn fit right then and there.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:05:04am

re: #130 Dave In Austin

They do? I never noticed.

They’re well-known for it. I remember my ex-wife noticing it and asking me what that meant. She was surprised (especially coming as she does from a largely atheist country).

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:07:33am
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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:10:20am

re: #125 Dangerman

I could see him ignoring everything, bulling and muscling his way towards the front, then being “gently and firmly” escorted aft.

“No, you’re not president here.”

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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:11:34am

re: #135 Dr Lizardo

Trump would’ve pitched a goddamn fit right then and there.

Beefeaters would have despatched him to the tower to cool off, methinks.
Melania would be standing there not caring. I mean, would you?

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darthstar  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:13:53am

Yesterday was talk like a pirate day and I missed it? Arrgh.

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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:15:52am

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:19:45am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:20:01am

re: #139 Dangerman

Beefeaters would have despatched him to the tower to cool off, methinks.
Melania would be standing there not caring. I mean, would you?

Trump would have almost certainly caused some kind of scene. It’s his nature.

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lawhawk  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:20:30am

re: #130 Dave In Austin

They’re on the underside in really small type face. If you know where to look, you’ll find them.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:20:51am

re: #131 The Pie Overlord!

WE ARE TEH LAW & ORDER PARTY!!11!!1!!

SEE, THE DEMONRATS ARE COMING AFTER EVERY REPUBLICAN!!!!

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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:21:20am
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jaunte  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:22:03am

Apparently the lesson conservatives took from 9/11 was that we needed more domestic terrorists.

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lawhawk  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:22:25am

re: #131 The Pie Overlord!

Abbott isn’t going to be left out.

And I can imagine whatsherface from South Dakota also getting in on the action.

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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:22:32am

“Treason is always a conspiracy; it’s too big a task for one man, and throughout history has been the work of groups.” ― Elizabeth Moon

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:23:00am

re: #69 Patricia Kayden

Lakota Man…

So let me get this straight: Republicans are criminalizing women crossing state lines for abortions but, they’re perfectly ok with trafficking asylum seekers — across the country?

It’s election time! Voters are bored with the traditional caravans and need something new to distract them from the GOP wishes to outlaw abortion nationwide.

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Nyet  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:24:18am

re: #121 Belafon

I’m pretty sure the Ukrainian military knows better whether they need it than some Kossack.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:31:56am

re: #151 Nyet

I’m pretty sure the Ukrainian military knows better whether they need it than some Kossack.

You mean the same military advisors that have been helping Ukraine plan the counteroffensive?

I have heard more than once where the Ukrainian civil leaders have been screaming over and over for more weapons and yet the Ukrainian generals say “No, we’re pretty good right now.”

I have deferred to your expertise on the situation in Europe because you are there, and I’m not. After your rebuttal of my posting of a tweet yesterday, I am going to be more careful of looking at where some of those sources are. I would assume that US military leaders talking to Ukrainian military leaders probably have more knowledge than the rest of us.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:34:41am

re: #152 Belafon

And, btw, Markos, the Kos guy who runs the site who wrote the diary, was an operator of those types of missile systems when he was in the army. It’s kind of his thing.

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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:37:31am

How they decide what’s (fox) news

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Florida Panhandler  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:41:39am

re: #154 Dangerman

How they decide what’s (fox) news

The most surprising and disappointing thing about this story is the constant use of the word “news” in any part of it.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:42:25am
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Nyet  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:44:42am

re: #152 Belafon

I have heard more than once where the Ukrainian civil leaders have been screaming over and over for more weapons and yet the Ukrainian generals say “No, we’re pretty good right now.”

Ok, let’s handle this particular point. Could you provide a source?

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:49:01am

Beto should stand at the border and say “Republicans, if you don’t want to properly run this state, and take care of everyone, and work with the federal government to properly handle our border, then give Democrats the job.”

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:49:14am
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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:50:13am
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jaunte  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:53:42am

Complete with the legally binding language “I wager.”

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BigPapa  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:55:20am

re: #159 jaunte

Judd Legum is a receipt gathering journalist.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:56:49am
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jaunte  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:58:12am

re: #163 The Pie Overlord!

Ronna keeps supplying her fear addicts with a daily bump.

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Florida Panhandler  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:58:35am

gemm.site

Indian tech-bro Ramaswamy, playing the Conservative social calculus game, decides to weigh in on Apple and Disney.

A conservative investor, with backing from Peter Thiel and Invoice Ackman, has two new targets in his anti-E.S.G. marketing campaign. Yesterday, Vivek Ramaswamy despatched letters to the C.E.O.s of Apple and Disney, urging them to chorus from making political statements on behalf of their corporations, or hiring selections primarily based on race, intercourse or political opinions.

Never mind that much of their success is directly based on embracing changing worldwide sexual and gender identifications. Their customers have chosen to reward their corporate culture and behavior with massive profits. This guy wants them to give up on a winning business strategy? Some business guy. Despite his impressive academic history, some might even call him a mere hack who has chosen to sell out reason and real world evidence for cheap tribal recognition.

Of course when this guy gets what he wants and a fascist racist takeover happens here his wealth will either shield him or enable a quick escape internationally away from the eventual gulags and ovens.

What a Creep.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 7:59:52am

re: #157 Nyet

I will have to dig more at home (work requires me to work), but here’s an article from back in June about artillery shells:

The fog of war is thick, and propaganda muddies it further. The Ukrainian government isn’t immune. For example, the Ukrainian government is saying this:

Ukraine has now almost completely run out of ammunition for the Soviet-era weapons systems that were the mainstay of its arsenal, and the Eastern European countries that maintained the same systems have run out of surplus supplies to donate, Danylyuk said. Ukraine urgently needs to shift to longer-range and more sophisticated Western systems, but those have only recently been committed, and in insufficient quantities to match Russia’s immense firepower, he said.

But the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense is also saying this:

To this date, the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine has ensured the supply of 150 artillery platforms of 155 mm caliber to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The stockpiles of ammunition of this caliber are already 10% larger than the stockpiles of Soviet-type large-caliber shells that existed before 24 February 2022. Moreover, these new shells are more effective than their Soviet equivalents, and hence their consumption is lower.

dailykos.com

And yes, I know this is about artillery shells, and I’ll have to dig much more, but there is a disconnect between the military and civilian leadership on what is needed. This isn’t unique (their opponent is even worse at it), and it’s not like the US doesn’t suffer from it.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:00:14am

re: #164 jaunte

Ronna keeps supplying her fear addicts with a daily bump.

I just don’t understand why anyone would WANT to live this way, constantly terrified of the world around them. I don’t get it. I would rather relax, enjoy life, be happy among friends and family, and only worry about things if there’s an actual problem. To do otherwise seems pointless, reducing my own lifespan with stress for no discernible benefit.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:00:18am

Another term for “due date abortion” is BIRTH.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:02:16am

I go to Markos, Adam Silverman, and Mark Summer a lot because they’re pretty good at not buying bull and have more knowledge than me.

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BigPapa  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:03:01am

The right wing runs on ‘baby murder!’ and trafficking brown people to own the libs. We’ve regressed back into Troll Politics.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:05:39am

re: #163 The Pie Overlord!

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I took CPR training from the retired doctor in my CERT group. She is a full on Fox junkie, and I can tell I would not like her outside of that. But all she could go on about was how Fentanyl is rampant in cities like Las Angeles, Portland, and Seattle, and oh the dispensaries, and you gotta worry about it here. She did have to concede that we don’t know how bad the problem is here in the DFW area.

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lawhawk  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:08:44am

re: #171 Belafon

If fentanyl is as deadly as they claim, you’d know how bad things were anywhere in the nation based on usage of naxalone and 911 calls for fentanyl overdoses/exposures and OD deaths.

That we aren’t overrun with those overdoses is evidence that this isn’t the crisis they claim.

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lawhawk  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:09:28am

re: #172 lawhawk

Also, given proximity to the southern border, you’d think that the problem would be higher in the DFW area than in Portland or Seattle.

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:12:34am

re: #170 BigPapa

And note that none of them propose measures to actually address solving the real problem; that we need to expand our capacity to process asylum seekers, not wall off the outside world.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:12:56am

re: #163 The Pie Overlord!

These kinds of scares have been around since the late 60’s at least. They just keep recycling their fear talk with different ‘dangers’ since. From razor blades to drugs to who knows that will be next. I pretty much chalk the fear pushers up to people that hate Halloween and are trying to throw a wrench into the whole holiday.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:15:09am
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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:15:11am

re: #174 jaunte

And note that none of them propose measures to actually address solving the real problem; that we need to expand our capacity to process asylum seekers, not wall off the outside world.

If Republicans wanted it to work, it could work. They don’t want it to work.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:15:42am

re: #175 Eventual Carrion

These kinds of scares have been around since the late 60’s at least. They just keep recycling their fear talk with different ‘dangers’ since. From razor blades to drugs to who knows that will be next. I pretty much chalk the fear pushers up to people that hate Halloween and are trying to throw a wrench into the whole holiday.

You’re exactly right. The people pushing these Halloween scares are the hard-core Christians who believe Halloween is a demonic holiday and want its celebration to be banned.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:16:48am

re: #175 Eventual Carrion

These kinds of scares have been around since the late 60’s at least. They just keep recycling their fear talk with different ‘dangers’ since. From razor blades to drugs to who knows that will be next. I pretty much chalk the fear pushers up to people that hate Halloween and are trying to throw a wrench into the whole holiday.

When I was a kid in the 1970s, it was all about the razor blades in candy apples and candy spiked with Angel Dust.

I think there was one case where some crazy SOB did tamper with Halloween treats, but now I can’t recall the details.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:17:56am

re: #179 Dr Lizardo

When I was a kid in the 1970s, it was all about the razor blades in candy apples and candy spiked with Angel Dust.

I think there was one case where some crazy SOB did tamper with Halloween treats, but now I can’t recall the details.

A couple were urban legends, but most of the others were parents doing it to their children’s candy.

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:18:53am

re: #175 Eventual Carrion

While Covid is still killing 300+ people every day they fantasize about Halloween fentanyl.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:18:57am

re: #178 Dopamine Fish

You’re exactly right. The people pushing these Halloween scares are the hard-core Christians who believe Halloween is a demonic holiday and want its celebration to be banned.

Halloween is the eve of All Saints Day where the church subsumed all the old European deities.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:19:12am

re: #120 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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lawhawk  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:19:32am

re: #174 jaunte

And note that none of them propose measures to actually address solving the real problem; that we need to expand our capacity to process asylum seekers, not wall off the outside world.

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GOP had opportunity to impose immigration reform under Trump. Congress refused to do anything. Congress had opportunity to do major immigration reform under Obama, but GOP kneecapped that precisely because they wanted to keep immigration levels low.

White nationalist policies are the bedrock principle driving GOP immigration policy.

They don’t care that immigrants are seeking asylum, which is legal immigration. They want to deny those people any rights at all, which itself is a violation of human rights law.

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Jay C  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:19:50am

re: #172 lawhawk

If fentanyl is as deadly as they claim, you’d know how bad things were anywhere in the nation based on usage of naxalone and 911 calls for fentanyl overdoses/exposures and OD deaths.

That we aren’t overrun with those overdoses is evidence that this isn’t the crisis they claim.

Yeah, but to Fox News (and, even more, to its litter of RWNJ imitators), the “crisis” is a crisis because they say so: and because fentanyl can be characterized (with some degree of veracity, mind) as a super-deadly superdrug, it makes all the rhetoric just so much juicier. Especially as drug seizures at the border (“Feds seize X kilos of fentanyl at border: lethal dose for X million people!”) can be used to dump on their political enemies on a number of fronts, i.e.:
“Open borders!”
“Soft on drugs!”
“Hate the police!”
Etc. Makes little sense, of course, when examined: but since when does RW media care about making sense?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:20:42am

I wonder how 9/11 would have played on Fox News if it were a bunch of Liberal and establishment hating white guys that hijacked those planes?

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:21:57am

re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how 9/11 would have played on Fox News if it were a bunch of Liberal hating white guys that hijacked those planes?

re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how 9/11 would have played on Fox News if it were a bunch of Liberal hating white guys that hijacked those planes?

“If liberals hadn’t kept trying to turn manly men into women, these guys wouldn’t have had to attack our great country to save it.”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:23:02am

re: #119 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

To be honest I do not see any wannabe Trump successor getting this level of attention by the media or anyone else, or at least without a lot of push-back or “here we go again” eye-rolling. Especially for petulant whining and floor-to-ceiling blatant lying.

The second generation US fascist will have to take a different tack.

Don’t underestimate the media need for DEMS IN DISARRAY! REPUBLICAN SAVIORS! bullshit. To me, your assessment is a tad too rosy for my liking.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:23:51am

re: #176 The Pie Overlord!

How did the rest of the interview play? Did Ron Johnson try to pretend that white supremacy was not a real problem and that the Democrats were using it to distract from the real issues such as the importance of combatting CRT and removal of Confederate statues?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:25:51am

re: #128 lawhawk

Another way to frame this is that the American public is willing to accept 100k dead from covid each year going forward - 10x the annual flu death tally.

The right wing extremists have decided they want to shuffle off the mortal coil by refusing to vaccinate or take any reasonable precautions to protect themselves or those they love.

Honestly, the more of the right-wing extremists who want to off themselves, the better place the world will be. If they are hell bent on killing themselves, or making themselves permanent “takers” because they are severely disabled…who are we to deny them?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:26:26am

re: #180 Belafon

A couple were urban legends, but most of the others were parents doing it to their children’s candy.

This first one was the incident I was thinking of:

In 1959, a California dentist, William Shyne, gave candy-coated laxative pills to trick-or-treaters. He was charged with outrage of public decency and unlawful dispensing of drugs.

In 1964, a disgruntled Long Island, New York woman gave out packages of inedible objects to children who she believed were too old to be trick-or-treating. The packages contained items such as steel wool, dog biscuits, and ant buttons (which were clearly labeled with the word “poison”). Though nobody was injured, she was prosecuted and pleaded guilty to endangering children. The same year saw media reports of lye-filled bubble gum being handed out in Detroit and rat poison being given in Philadelphia, although these media reports were never substantiated to be actual events

Never heard of that second incident from Long Island. In any event, both were asshole things to do.

en.wikipedia.org

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Nyet  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:26:36am

re: #166 Belafon

Actually two of the top Ukrainian generals (incl. the ZSU commander-in-chief - not to be confused with the supreme commander-in-chief, which is Zelensky) argue that only long-range weapons will create some parity:

ukrinform.ua

Read the chapter ДИСПРОПОРЦІЯ В СПРОМОЖНОСТЯХ УКРАЇНИ ТА РФ: ЯК ЇЇ НІВЕЛЮВАТИ?

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Ming5000  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:27:10am

Youtube Video

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:29:13am

re: #136 Dr Lizardo

They’re well-known for it. I remember my ex-wife noticing it and asking me what that meant. She was surprised (especially coming as she does from a largely atheist country).

We ate at In and Out once. We didn’t notice it, either. Their burgers sucked so hard we never went back again to have an opportunity to notice bible quotes. That, too, would have stopped us from going back if their food hadn’t been so awful first.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:29:58am

re: #182 The Pie Overlord!

Halloween is the eve of All Saints Day where the church subsumed all the old European deities.

You know that and I know that, but remember, these are sheltered evangelical Christians who know only what their pastors teach them, and only remember what school lessons they need to know to operate in their daily lives. If they ever learned about the origins of Halloween, it was lost amongst the hyperbole about the imagery of the holiday.

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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:33:08am

re: #164 jaunte

Ronna keeps supplying her fear addicts with a daily bump.< lying/blockquote>

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:35:20am

re: #170 BigPapa

The right wing runs on ‘baby murder!’ and trafficking brown people to own the libs. We’ve regressed back into Troll Politics.

It’s all republicans have.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:37:17am

re: #194 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

We ate at In and Out once. We didn’t notice it, either. Their burgers sucked so hard we never went back again to have an opportunity to notice bible quotes. That, too, would have stopped us from going back if their food hadn’t been so awful first.

I’m ok with their burgers occasionally, I just call them salads on a bun. As for the religious quotes, I know they’re there and ignore them. They’re tiny, they don’t require me to quote, genuflect, or stroke them, and they don’t cause my skin to burn, so I eat my food.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:39:10am

re: #197 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It’s all republicans have.

Except they are quiet these days on the “baby murder” part and it’s the “brown people are coming” that they have switched to, since they realize that Dobbs is not the overwhelming success they anticipated.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:39:39am

re: #198 Belafon

I’m ok with their burgers occasionally, I just call them salads on a bun. As for the religious quotes, I know they’re there and ignore them. They’re tiny, they don’t require me to quote, genuflect, or stroke them, and they don’t cause my skin to burn, so I eat my food.

Same here. After all, they’re not handing me the tray while saying, “In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, enjoy your meal” and genuflecting.

I guess a place like that would be called Burger King Pope. That’d be something 😄

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TarHellion  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:43:24am

re: #118 A Mom Anon

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:45:47am

re: #200 Dr Lizardo

I guess a place like that would be called Burger King Pope. That’d be something 😄

Or Chick-Fil-A.

/

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:51:58am

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

Or Chick-Fil-A.

/

Chick-Fil-A only prevents me from eating on Sunday. And I’m mostly ok with that. If a company wants to shut down a day of the week, that’s fine; one of the Italian restaurants in town closes on Mondays. On the other hand, the car dealerships around here still close because of blue laws, not any particular altruistic reason.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:52:55am
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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:56:14am

Because he’s the secretary :)

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sizzzzlerz  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:57:31am

Wordle 458 3/6

⬛🟨🟩⬛🟩
🟩🟩🟩⬛🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

My luck in guessing the correct final letter when there are 2 or more possibles is simply abysmal! I coulda had a 2 if I’d guess right, dagnabit!

BTW, did the TImes change the position of the grid on the web page? Today, there was a 4” or 5” border at the top of the page which pushed the bottom row of the grid off my 13” laptop screen when viewed with my normal magnification. If I reduce the magnification, I can see the whole thing but then its too tiny. WTF?

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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:59:09am

Punctuation and usage matter

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sizzzzlerz  Sep 20, 2022 • 8:59:39am

re: #197 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It’s all republicans have.

They certainly don’t have any ideas on how to run the country, other than shoveling more money to the insanely wealthy.

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Dangerman  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:02:28am
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Jay C  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:05:08am

re: #206 sizzzzlerz

Not just you: I noticed the same thing on the NYT site: the “space” at the top of the Wordle page now has an ad on it, which pushed the game block right down to the bottom (using Chrome/W10 on an HP laptop). [ETA: 17” screen]
As the traditional saying goes: FTFNYT…

Placement or not: still got it today:

Wordle 458 5/6

⬜⬜🟨🟨⬜
🟨⬜🟨⬜🟩
🟩🟩⬜⬜🟩
🟩🟩🟩⬜🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:13:49am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:14:25am
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retired cynic  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:16:03am

In other worlds, the Illinois State Fair drew a record number of visitors this August. The weather (I am ashamed to say, since so many have suffered) was excellent, and changes made to scheduling worked together to pay off. When all receipts are in, it will be a record income year as well. And there was a butter cow.

We used to go and show a horse or two, but it was so much more fun to show outside such a huge venue and crowds.

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sizzzzlerz  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:16:19am

re: #210 Jay C

I have Ad Block on my browser so I didn’t see the ad but the space is allocated anyway. Usually these banner ads collapse in a few seconds but I the the NYTs want to rub our faces in it. Ditto on the FTFNYT!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:16:46am

jeebus

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retired cynic  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:17:49am

re: #212 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

gag?

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sizzzzlerz  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:18:41am

re: #212 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

Well, it ain’t “From the halls of Montezuma”, that’s for sure.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:19:02am

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reminds me of that quote attributed to Pauline Kael, who couldn’t understand how Nixon was re-elected in 1972. “I don’t understand it. No one I know would ever vote for Nixon” or something to that effect.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:19:10am

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

“None of the Republicans I know voted for Biden, therefore he couldn’t have gotten any votes.”

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gocart mozart  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:19:15am
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wrenchwench  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:21:39am

re: #212 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

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re: #212 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

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‘Standing guard both night and day…’

There’s no night and day in space.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:21:44am

re: #181 jaunte

While Covid is still killing 300+ people every day they fantasize about Halloween fentanyl.

And then it will be Thanksgiving turkeys basted in nyquil.

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Jay C  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:21:49am

re: #218 Dr Lizardo

Reminds me of that quote attributed to Pauline Kael, who couldn’t understand how Nixon was re-elected in 1972. “I don’t understand it. No one I know would ever vote for Nixon” or something to that effect.

Yeah, and when liberals quote stuff like that, they usually get scorned from the Right, and mocked for living in a “bubble”…

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Jay C  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:22:44am

re: #212 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

[Embedded content]

“In space, no one can hear your anthem”

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:22:51am

Trump response to 11th circuit in: “Nuh-uh!”

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sizzzzlerz  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:23:06am

re: #218 Dr Lizardo

Reminds me of that quote attributed to Pauline Kael, who couldn’t understand how Nixon was re-elected in 1972. “I don’t understand it. No one I know would ever vote for Nixon” or something to that effect.

Or, channeling Yogi Berra, “Nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:23:49am

re: #221 wrenchwench

‘Standing guard both night and day…’

There’s no night and day in space.

and “In space no can hear you scream”…

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:24:05am

re: #184 lawhawk

[snip]

They don’t care that immigrants are seeking asylum, which is legal immigration. They want to deny those people any rights at all, which itself is a violation of human rights law.

Yeah, their whole “immigrate the correct way and it will be fine” is being shown to be total bullshit.

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:25:52am

re: #212 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

They should have paid Elton John for a light rewrite of Rocket Man.

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ckkatz  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:27:11am

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lawhawk  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:28:01am

re: #228 Eventual Carrion

DeSantis also either lies or doesn’t care that there’s a difference between asylum and refugee status, and his lying flyers conflate the two and mischaracterize what those on board the plane to Martha’s Vineyard were told or promised.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:28:27am

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

and “In space no can hear you scream”…

Boldly reaching into space
In search of new hopes and dreams.
Just remember in the void,
No one can hear you scream.

/

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:30:22am

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

Over under sideways down
Backwards forwards square and round
Over under sideways down
Backwards forwards square and round

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:30:51am

The Reentry Song

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:31:04am

re: #225 jaunte

Trump response to 11th circuit in: “Nuh-uh!”

From what I’m gathering, Trump’s attorney(s) basically told the 11th Circuit, “Look, our client is the former President, he should get to decide whether he gets investigated for a crime or not.” That might fly in Loose Cannon’s courtroom, but I don’t think the 11th Circuit is quite as corrupt.

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ckkatz  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:36:17am

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

Iirc, somebody here recently posted a cartoon of two astronauts in space.

One was complaining that he cannot locate any milk for his coffee.

The second handed him a carton of cream and said: “In space, no can. Here use cream.”

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TarHellion  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:36:25am

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

Youtube Video

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:41:05am

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

last night:

today:

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Dizzy  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:41:40am

re: #160 The Pie Overlord!

[Embedded content]

This is my cooking bible:

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Jay C  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:42:34am

re: #231 lawhawk

DeSantis also either lies or doesn’t care that there’s a difference between asylum and refugee status,

¿Por que no los dos?

And even if that sleaze does know the difference, he’s probably betting (disgracefully, correctly), that his Fox-News-addled voter base won’t: and simply cheer and applaud his mishandling of “them illegals” And buy into the BS about them being “deported” from Martha’s Vineyard….

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:46:49am

re: #193 Ming5000

What in the world did I just watch? That was…really weird.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:48:34am
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ckkatz  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:48:37am

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:49:54am

re: #241 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What in the world did I just watch? That was…really weird.

It’s from Fritz Lang’s 1927 film Metropolis, the granddaddy of all sci-fi films.

imdb.com

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ckkatz  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:50:32am

re: #241 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

en.wikipedia.org

eta - To paraphrase Bedford Forrest, Dr Lizardo got there “fustist with the mostist”.

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:51:03am

“…The astute reader will note that Turley does not go into the legal definition of “inveigling” or “decoy,” words that are in the statute specifically to cover the use of false inducements to lure victims of kidnapping. The astute reader will also notice that Turley changed the cities involved: Places like New York and Chicago are major cities, well-known internationally, where immigrants might well expect services and community support upon their arrival. Some immigrants might indeed be “eager” to accept free passage to New York or Chicago, or even Boston.

Martha’s Vineyard, where these 48 people were actually sent, is a different place entirely. It’s a small, seasonal island resort community accessible only by plane or boat. There’s no reasonable expectation that immigrants will find an extensive community of immigrants there, if these people had even heard of the place before they landed in it.”

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gocart mozart  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:51:25am
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jaunte  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:51:57am

“…I am sure about what Turley is trying to do, and that is to defend the despicable without having the courage to own it. You can see that too in his double-speak. “There are good-faith reasons to oppose these trips as a political stunt. That does not make them federal crimes,” he writes. “The effort to bend and twist the criminal code for such political purposes is a dangerous trend. You can denounce these transfers without trying to criminalize such policies.”

You’ll note he says that one can denounce these acts, without actually denouncing them himself. This has become standard operating procedure for a legion of legal academics who want to stay on the good side of Trumpworld, without owning all of the gross and fascist acts its luminaries commit. These people aren’t teaching students how to do legal analysis. They’re teaching kids how to be intellectual cowards by obfuscating the law instead of wrestling with it. “

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:54:16am

.. never mind.

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A Cranky One  Sep 20, 2022 • 9:58:36am

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:03:24am

re: #244 Dr Lizardo

It’s from Fritz Lang’s 1927 film Metropolis, the granddaddy of all sci-fi films.

imdb.com

re: #245 ckkatz

en.wikipedia.org

eta - To paraphrase Bedford Forrest, Dr Lizardo got there “fustist with the mostist”.

Are you guys sure that wasn’t Reefer Madness on acid?

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ckkatz  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:03:29am

Some knowledgeable observers’ thoughts on Russia’s threatened mobilization:

.

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:04:57am
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ckkatz  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:10:20am

Military use of prisoners in combat rarely solves any military combat problems. About all it achieves is saving the cost of prisons.

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wrenchwench  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:12:28am
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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:14:53am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:19:39am
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Belafon  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:20:58am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We get it. The correct response to him is then “Why are you running?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:22:33am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:24:48am

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fucking Republicans man…

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Nyet  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:25:14am

re: #254 ckkatz

Military use of prisoners in combat rarely solves any military combat problems. About all it achieves is saving the cost of prisons.

Everyone understands they’re cannon fodder. Prigozhin said as much when he said he needs primarily “stormtroopers”.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:25:17am

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL those red state MAGAts are going all-in on their spray-tanned Messiah, aren’t they?

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:25:59am

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is like somebody steals your car & claims it is theirs because they filled the gas tank, left their sunglasses in the glove compartment and hung a pine tree deodorant on the rearview mirror.

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austin_blue  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:26:13am

re: #125 Dangerman

I could see him ignoring everything, bulling and muscling his way towards the front, then being “gently and firmly” escorted aft.

He would have gotten a rifle butt to his mouth.

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BigPapa  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:27:42am

re: #261 Nyet

Everyone understands they’re cannon fodder. Prigozhin said as much when he said he needs primarily “stormtroopers”.

Not to joke about mass carnage of modern warfare but I would classify them as ‘groundbeeftroopers.’

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:30:35am

re: #263 The Pie Overlord!

This is like somebody steals your car & claims it is theirs because they filled the gas tank, left their sunglasses in the glove compartment and hung a pine tree deodorant on the rearview mirror.

The argument, as near as I can tell it, is: “Trump declassified these and declared them his personal records for the purposes of the Presidential Records Act, and the PRA doesn’t have any criminal penalties, so therefore he can’t be investigated for a crime.” Which, in your analogy, seems to work out to something like somebody stealing your car and then saying that the handwritten note they stuffed in the glove box saying “This car is now mine” gives them lawful possession of it.

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BigPapa  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:30:45am
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wrenchwench  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:30:55am
Click to Reveal

I just got a ‘confirmation call’ for my late husband’s appointment this Thursday at a doctor’s office I can see from my apartment. ‘Press’ this or that button wasn’t working, so I called back to cancel. Then I cried.

It would not have made a difference had the appointment been sooner. I have mentally been through the ‘what could I have done differently’ and ended up with, I could have been a different, improved person, that wouldn’t have been enough, he would have had to do that also. So in a different world, things would have been different. Duh. Sniff.

Yesterday was my first day back at work after being widowed. Today is the second. I can officially take on the ‘widow’ mantle, because a friend brought me home made baked mac and cheese day before yesterday. It’s not gone yet.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:32:14am

re: #268 wrenchwench

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ckkatz  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:33:05am

re: #268 wrenchwench

{{{wrenchwench}}}

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:34:40am

re: #268 wrenchwench

{{{}}}

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:35:48am

re: #268 wrenchwench

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:36:05am

re: #268 wrenchwench

{{{WW}}}

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:38:47am

re: #244 Dr Lizardo

It’s from Fritz Lang’s 1927 film Metropolis, the granddaddy of all sci-fi films.

imdb.com

Colorized for modern audiences?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:54:06am

re: #268 wrenchwench

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Yesterday was my first day back at work after being widowed. Today is the second. I can officially take on the ‘widow’ mantle, because a friend brought me home made baked mac and cheese day before yesterday. It’s not gone yet.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 20, 2022 • 10:54:46am

re: #262 Dr Lizardo

LOL those red state MAGAts are going all-in on their spray-tanned Messiah, aren’t they?

A few pseudo-libertarians (e.g. too embarrassed to admit they vote GOP every time anyways) who I know who are attempting to distance from Trump will be beaten over the head with this. The Republicans have tied themselves to Trump and much of their establishment has continued to do so. In essence, and this is a piece of supporting evidence, Trump is the GOP and the two are inseparable.

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 20, 2022 • 11:00:09am

re: #83 Barefoot Grin

Do they have a Caesar salad on the menu?

It’s the daily special on March 15th.

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wrenchwench  Sep 20, 2022 • 11:01:54am

re: #275 Hecuba’s daughter

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A Mom Anon  Sep 20, 2022 • 11:25:50am

re: #268 wrenchwench

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wrenchwench  Sep 20, 2022 • 11:36:11am

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A Mom Anon  Sep 20, 2022 • 12:00:32pm

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