Donald Trump and 3 of His Children Accused of Massive Fraud by New York AG

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Letitia James for the win: Donald Trump, 3 of his children accused of business fraud by New York AG. (Gift link; no paywall.)

NEW YORK — New York Attorney General Letitia James filed a lawsuit Wednesday accusing former president Donald Trump, three of his grown children and executives at his company of flagrantly manipulating property valuations to deceive lenders, insurance brokers and tax authorities into giving them better rates on bank loans and insurance policies and to reduce their tax liability.

The 222-page civil complaint asks the New York Supreme Court to bar Trump, as well as Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump and Eric Trump, from serving as executives at any company in New York, and to bar the Trump Organization from acquiring any commercial real estate or receiving loans from any New York-registered financial institution for five years.

It seeks to recover more than $250 million in what James’s office says are ill-gotten gains received through the alleged deceptive practices. While the lawsuit itself is not a criminal prosecution, James (D) said she has referred possible violations of federal law to the Justice Department and the IRS.

Here’s the full thing in all its glory:

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326 comments
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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:04:37am
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BigPapa  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:08:57am

222 pages sorta seems like a lot. Is it a lot?

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nines09  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:08:58am

Now to see if the law, which can, if so desired, grind me and you up to dust, can actually bring a lifelong sociopathic criminal to justice.
I ain’t holding my breathe.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:12:25am
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No Malarkey!  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:14:30am

Expect Trump to file a lawsuit against NY AG James in Judge Cannon’s Florida court. half/

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TedStriker  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:15:08am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Fucker knows the walls are closing in on him, Eric, Ivanka, and dear ol’ Dad.

You know that every one of them are plotting ways to get out of this or minimize their personal damage with “every person for themselves”.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:20:00am

From downstairs:

re: #495 Dopamine Fish

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:22:57am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Republicans in general are freaking out and trying desperately to deflect. It’s a good day.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:23:33am

THE LAW APPLIED TO ME IS A VENDETTA

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:23:53am

watch for this on hannity

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:24:16am

It’s important to note this: AG James has the receipts. At the very least, enough of them to make accusations with specificity, which is undoubtedly making him very uncomfortable right now.

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BeachDem  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:26:45am

Remember from a 2011 deposition:

Ceresney: Let me just understand that a little. You said your net worth goes up and down based upon your own feelings?

Trump: Yes, even my own feelings, as to where the world is, where the world is going, and that can change rapidly from day to day …

Ceresney: When you publicly state a net worth number, what do you base that number on?

Trump: I would say it’s my general attitude at the time that the question may be asked. And as I say, it varies.>

Feelings—yeah, that’s a great measure…

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:27:22am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:28:15am
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BigPapa  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:31:04am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

He’s handling it well.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:32:25am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

This is the one thing that keeps him awake at night. This isn’t a thing he can just handwave away by landing in front of a corrupt judge; declaring for 2024 won’t turn Ms. James away, and a pardon is utterly ineffective here. THIS is the case we’ve all been waiting for, because it’s the one with the greatest sense of inevitability. Georgia may or may not happen, and the DOJ may or may not press charges regarding the documents; but somewhere, somehow, we all knew this press conference was coming. And so did he.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:32:55am

WTF is “Peekaboo” supposed to mean? Is this some more shit he picked up from somewhere in wingnut world?

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:34:08am

re: #12 BeachDem

Remember from a 2011 deposition:

Ceresney: Let me just understand that a little. You said your net worth goes up and down based upon your own feelings?

Trump: Yes, even my own feelings, as to where the world is, where the world is going, and that can change rapidly from day to day …

Ceresney: When you publicly state a net worth number, what do you base that number on?

Trump: I would say it’s my general attitude at the time that the question may be asked. And as I say, it varies.>

Feelings—yeah, that’s a great measure…

are you a professional, trained, certified appraiser?

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:34:53am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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he’s flailing

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dat_said  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:36:49am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

WTF is “Peekaboo” supposed to mean? Is this some more shit he picked up from somewhere in wingnut world?

He was trying to say jigaboo without saying jigaboo

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TedStriker  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:37:23am

re: #20 dat_said

He was trying to say jigaboo without saying jigaboo

Yeah, that’s was my thought.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:37:26am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Trump starting his extended freakout session on “Truth” Social, calls Letitia James a “racist” apparently for no other reason except that she’s black.

Very common Trumpster theme: it’s blacks who are the real racists and anyone who wants children to learn the truth about our history is a racist trying to upset white children since the Civil War ended all problems of whites discriminating against blacks. Everything has been perfect since then, except for the unseemly efforts by blacks to secure equal rights, of course.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:37:39am

Previously, Trump’s outside financial company - Mazars severed ties with Trump over Trump lying to Mazars and all the financials being unreliable and cannot be trusted going back a decade.

Some of those same issues are present here. Mazars took the Trump data and repackaged it. Mazars relied upon Trump’s data. Investors relied on Trump data. All of it was BS, especially as relating to valuations of real estate properties and what Trump was telling tax entities about same.

Trump was defrauding banks and investors - that includes Deutsche Bank, but DB was in for so much money that Trump had them do whatever Trump wanted, because DB couldn’t get itself out of trouble (this action may help them in that regard - maybe).

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wrenchwench  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:39:24am

re: #20 dat_said

He was trying to say jigaboo without saying jigaboo

Hadn’t thought of that—I was thinking , she looked into his private information, that is his, and private. Maybe a combo of the two.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:40:24am

Good news for DeSantis - potential hurriance/tropical storm heading towards FL next week to distract from his criminal conduct.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:41:09am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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TedStriker  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:42:50am

re: #25 lawhawk

Good news for DeSantis - potential hurriance/tropical storm heading towards FL next week to distract from his criminal conduct.

Well, it won’t exactly be “good news” if he fucks up any storm response, like we know he will.

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BigPapa  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:43:14am

re: #22 Hecuba’s daughter

Very common Trumpster theme: it’s blacks who are the real racists and anyone who wants children to learn the truth about our history is a racist trying to upset white children since the Civil War ended all problems of whites discriminating against blacks. Everything has been perfect since then, except for the unseemly efforts by blacks to secure equal rights, of course.

Common right wing theme. AM Hateradio yakker was expounding on it yesterday: racism was ‘done’ until Obama came into office with all his racisty racist people.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:44:18am

re: #27 TedStriker

Well, it won’t exactly be “good news” if he fucks up any storm response, like we know he will.

Good news for DeathSentence, personally, as it distracts from his other problems. Bad news for Florida as a whole, but then again, every day ending in -y is bad news for Florida, with a man like DeathSentence at the helm.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:45:04am

re: #27 TedStriker

Well, it won’t exactly be “good news” if he fucks up any storm response, like we know he will.

One thing I can guarantee is that if President Biden goes to Florida to visit hurricane stricken areas, DeSantis won’t be seen anywhere near him, unlike when Christie was there when Obama went to N.J.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:48:08am

re: #25 lawhawk

Good news for DeSantis - potential hurriance/tropical storm heading towards FL next week to distract from his criminal conduct.

The Republican Party is all on board with his treatment of these asylum seekers — after all they aren’t white and that is their major sin. To be an acceptable to be admitted into this nation you must be both white and a Christian (except when to make a point about Cuba, we changed rules to allow Cuban immigrants to bypass laws that affect everyone else).

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TedStriker  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:49:07am

re: #30 No Malarkey!

One thing I can guarantee is that if President Biden goes to Florida to visit hurricane stricken areas, DeSantis won’t be seen anywhere near him, unlike when Christie was there when Obama went to N.J.

What’s the over/under on DeSantis doing everything he can to make FEMA’s and other Fed agencies’ response as difficult as possible?

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:50:26am
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Sinistershade  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:51:02am

Anyone happen to know why the NY AG went the civil route on this, rather than criminal?

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No Malarkey!  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:51:26am

re: #32 TedStriker

What’s the over/under on DeSantis doing everything he can to make FEMA’s and other Fed agencies’ response as difficult as possible?

Republicans generally only hinder relief aid for other states; that wouldn’t be a good look for DeSantis in an election year.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:52:25am

re: #34 Sinistershade

Anyone happen to know why the NY AG went the civil route on this, rather than criminal?

Probably that is what is within her responsibility; the Manhattan D.A. is running point on the criminal case.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:52:33am

re: #34 Sinistershade

Anyone happen to know why the NY AG went the civil route on this, rather than criminal?

Lawyers will need to chime in, but my lay take is that civil suits are easier to find culpability.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:52:34am

Buena sera from the symbol of Chianti

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:52:37am

re: #34 Sinistershade

AG James only needs to prove the preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt.

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:53:47am

re: #11 Dopamine Fish

It’s important to note this: AG James has the receipts. At the very least, enough of them to make accusations with specificity, which is undoubtedly making him very uncomfortable right now.

Every prosecutor’s dream.

To have a civil fraud lawsuit filed against subjects whom you have a grand jury empaneled or indictments waiting. As you may well know, defendants have far fewer protections in civil discovery than criminal discovery.

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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:54:15am

re: #39 jaunte

AG James only needs to prove the preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt.

IIRC, jury verdicts in civil cases don’t have to be unanimous. That will make it much more difficult for Trump agenda jurors to fuck up a case.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:54:59am

re: #20 dat_said

He was trying to say jigaboo without saying jigaboo

Probably auto-corrected to peekaboo.

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sizzzzlerz  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:55:24am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

That’s just the nose candy talking. Wait until he actually learns about the lawsuit.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2022 • 10:56:02am

re: #31 Hecuba’s daughter

The Republican Party is all on board with his treatment of these asylum seekers — after all they aren’t white and that is their major sin. To be an acceptable to be admitted into this nation you must be both white and a Christian (except when to make a point about Cuba, we changed rules to allow Cuban immigrants to bypass laws that affect everyone else).

The US and the Holocaust series asserted that polls showed that 84% of Protestants and Catholics and 25% of Jews opposed admitting Jewish refugees in 1938/1939 into the United States. Indeed the only groups, other than Jews, that worked trying to get such refugees into this nation, even after the war began, were AFSC and Unitarian organizations. We have a long history of discrimination here.

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sizzzzlerz  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:00:18am

re: #12 BeachDem

Feelings—yeah, that’s a great measure…

In the words of a MAGAt,

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:02:36am

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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:04:30am

re: #45 sizzzzlerz

MAGAt “fuck your feelings” is always an abbreviation of “fuck your feelings, but my feelings are precious and mustn’t be hurt”.

More generally, Republicans think that only they are people. For them, everyone else is at best an appliance, neutrally a nuisance and at worst a criminal.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:05:01am
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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:05:33am

re: #25 lawhawk

Good news for DeSantis - potential hurriance/tropical storm heading towards FL next week to distract from his criminal conduct.

That will certainly help DeSantis in dealing the fallout from FL homeowner insurance companies declaring bankruptcy or refusing to write policies in the state of FL.

GA gov Brian Kemp waits in the wings.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:08:48am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:09:29am

re: #49 BeenHereAwhile

That will certainly help DeSantis in dealing the fallout from FL homeowner insurance companies declaring bankruptcy or refusing to write policies in the state of FL.

GA gov Brian Kemp waits in the wings.

But he did not accede to Trump requests to overturn the election; that may be sufficient to doom his prospects in a MAGAt party.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:15:02am
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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:16:38am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:17:31am

re: #50 lawhawk

They are rejecting the Establishment clause.

It’s been a long running thing with dominionists: they think that the founding fathers erred when they abandoned the explicitly Christian colony charters and went with a secular Constitution.

And they hope someday to correct that error.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:17:52am

The Fed is going to fight inflation even if it means pushing country in to a recession. As it is, there’s little evidence that inflation is out of control. It’s not. Oil prices are relatively stable, gas prices are falling, and shipping costs are coming down after all the supply chain mess during the worst of the pandemic. That will all help reduce inflation.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:18:47am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:19:55am

re: #55 lawhawk

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The Fed is going to fight inflation even if it means pushing country in to a recession. As it is, there’s little evidence that inflation is out of control. It’s not. Oil prices are relatively stable, gas prices are falling, and shipping costs are coming down after all the supply chain mess during the worst of the pandemic. That will all help reduce inflation.

This is what happens with a Republican running the Fed.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:21:03am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Who the fuck is going to sympathize with Trump? I doubt there are very many of us who have run casinos into the ground, lied to banks to get multi-million dollar loans, misrepresented our assets to investors and the IRS, and stolen top-secret classified documents from the government.

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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:21:59am

re: #57 Hecuba’s daughter

This is what happens with a Republican running the Fed.

My assumption is that the Fed is deliberately trying to create a recession in time for the 2024 presidential election.

Republicans cannot be trusted.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:22:20am

re: #50 lawhawk

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There’s a second part to this story
Yes 61% said they would favor Then US being a Christian nation

57% agreed it would be unconstitutional

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:22:28am

re: #58 Dopamine Fish

Who the fuck is going to sympathize with Trump? I doubt there are very many of us who have run casinos into the ground, lied to banks to get multi-million dollar loans, misrepresented our assets to investors and the IRS, and stolen top-secret classified documents from the government.

Those who are MAGAts. There is no crime that he can commit that they won’t accept or approve or ignore.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:22:37am
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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:22:53am

re: #58 Dopamine Fish

Who the fuck is going to sympathize with Trump? I doubt there are very many of us who have run casinos into the ground, lied to banks to get multi-million dollar loans, misrepresented our assets to investors and the IRS, and stolen top-secret classified documents from the government.

Barr’s intended audience for this drivel is brain-dead Trump cultists.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:23:30am

re: #61 Hecuba’s daughter

re: #63 EPR-radar

They already worship him as a god, what’s filing one more fraud case against him going to change? I guess that was my point.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:24:40am

re: #60 Dangerman

There’s a second part to this story
Yes 61% said they would favor Then US being a Christian nation

57% agreed it would be unconstitutional

They’re down with it being unconstitutional. They’ve already signed on to ending democracy on other fronts, so why not this one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:25:27am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:27:48am

re: #65 lawhawk

They’re down with it being unconstitutional. They’ve already signed on to ending democracy on other fronts, so why not this one.

I mean SCOTUS is well on their way to making us a Christian nation, regardless of what the Constitution actually says.

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JC1  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:30:07am

re: #55 lawhawk

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The Fed is going to fight inflation even if it means pushing country in to a recession. As it is, there’s little evidence that inflation is out of control. It’s not. Oil prices are relatively stable, gas prices are falling, and shipping costs are coming down after all the supply chain mess during the worst of the pandemic. That will all help reduce inflation.

Housing and food prices are still a problem, but mostly housing. Housing accounts for around a third of the CPI calc and annual rent inflation is still in the double digits.

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sagehen  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:32:04am

re: #39 jaunte

AG James only needs to prove the preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt.

and the jury doesn’t even have to be unanimous.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:33:02am

re: #68 JC1

The question I have is whether rents are now detaching themselves from the rest of the inflationary pressures.

I do believe that property has now become the battleground for the worst of schemes. Land has always attracted the schemers (see Trump), but as a nation we’ve built into our society the idea that housing is the primary way to save, and we really can’t let property prices dip in a significant way without unraveling the entire economy.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:34:39am

re: #58 Dopamine Fish

Who the fuck is going to sympathize with Trump? I doubt there are very many of us who have run casinos into the ground, lied to banks to get multi-million dollar loans, misrepresented our assets to investors and the IRS, and stolen top-secret classified documents from the government.

A black woman harassing a white man.

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:34:54am

re: #51 Hecuba’s daughter

But he did not accede to Trump requests to overturn the election; that may be sufficient to doom his prospects in a MAGAt party.

Neither did Brian Kemp.

Both DeSantis and Kemp suspect Trump is in the latter stages of “A Face In The Crowd,”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:37:05am

All I can say is I sure am glad I have a fixed rate mortgage.

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Jay C  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:37:56am

re: #58 Dopamine Fish

Who the fuck is going to sympathize with Trump? I doubt there are very many of us who have run casinos into the ground, lied to banks to get multi-million dollar loans, misrepresented our assets to investors and the IRS, and stolen top-secret classified documents from the government.

Who is going to sympathize with Mango Mussolini? Millions of MAGAt chumps Out There who haven’t the slightest familiarity with Big Finance, banking rules/laws, and still cling to the image of King Orangeanus as this “brilliant billionaire”: who don’t give a flying fart about the equitable application of the law*, and (marinated in the toxic cesspool of “conservative” media) will only too-eagerly buy into the bullshit spin that the NYS probe is “purely political” - and give Trump a pass. As usual.

*IOW, happy to let “one of theirs” (especially a rich one), get away with virtually anything, as they really only consider offenses “crimes” when committed by Others (y’know, Those People…)

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:38:56am

re: #70 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The question I have is whether rents are now detaching themselves from the rest of the inflationary pressures.

I do believe that property has now become the battleground for the worst of schemes. Land has always attracted the schemers (see Trump), but as a nation we’ve built into our society the idea that housing is the primary way to save, and we really can’t let property prices dip in a significant way without unraveling the entire economy.

Because we are refusing to do anything that would allow people to work from any town even though their job wouldn’t actually require them to be in an office, more and more people are moving into the large suburban areas like DFW. They are building apartments and houses like mad here, but still filling up.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:38:57am

Mike Lindell’s phone is evidence in an investigation involving identity theft:

My guess is, the conspirators in the election equipment debacle pretended to be somebody who was supposed to have access to the machines. Lindell has the receipts, as one of the architects of the whole affair.

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sagehen  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:39:43am

re: #55 lawhawk

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The Fed is going to fight inflation even if it means pushing country in to a recession. As it is, there’s little evidence that inflation is out of control. It’s not. Oil prices are relatively stable, gas prices are falling, and shipping costs are coming down after all the supply chain mess during the worst of the pandemic. That will all help reduce inflation.

Those of us of A Certain Age aren’t as freaked by inflation as our youngers may be.

My college roommate, late 70’s/early 80’s, was getting 12% interest on her T-Bills. I got 10% on a basic passbook saving account.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:39:50am

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

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well considering there is no ‘reinstalling’, let alone ‘installing’, who cares

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:40:40am
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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:40:53am

re: #71 Belafon

A black woman harassing a white man.

would they really admit that such a thing is possible?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:41:23am

re: #77 sagehen

Those of us of A Certain Age aren’t as freaked by inflation as our youngers may be.

My college roommate, late 70’s/early 80’s, was getting 12% interest on her T-Bills. I got 10% on a basic passbook saving account.

I recall those days of high inflation in the late 70’s as well. Like you, getting 10% on a savings account.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:43:26am

re: #74 Jay C

Who is going to sympathize with Mango Mussolini? Millions of MAGAt chumps Out There who haven’t the slightest familiarity with Big Finance, banking rules/laws, and still cling to the image of King Orangeanus as this “brilliant billionaire”: who don’t give a flying fart about the equitable application of the law*, and (marinated in the toxic cesspool of “conservative” media) will only too-eagerly buy into the bullshit spin that the NYS probe is “purely political” - and give Trump a pass. As usual.

*IOW, happy to let “one of theirs” (especially a rich one), get away with virtually anything, as they really only consider offenses “crimes” when committed by Others (y’know, Those People…)

this is also the answer to yesterday’s question why michael vick and not brett farve

everyone understands dogs.
not so much ‘finance’.

in the end though, farve, trump and the like are just liars and thieves

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:45:17am

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

I recall those days of high inflation in the late 70’s as well. Like you, getting 10% on a savings account.

1981 or so, my first mortgage was at 14%

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:52:06am

ARMs were a thing while interest rates were low, because you thought they could go lower still. But now, having an ARM means that you might suddenly see a huge bump in your monthly mortgage bill. Huge.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:54:34am

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Has someone already made a musical spoof:
Donald Trump
He’s a chump
He’s a chump
That Donald Trump
He’s gonna get caught
Just you wait and see
Why is everybody always pickin’ on me?

I would love to see that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:56:12am

re: #72 BeenHereAwhile

Neither did Brian Kemp.

Both DeSantis and Kemp suspect Trump is in the latter stages of “A Face In The Crowd,”

My reference was unclear — it was Brian Kemp that I was referring to, not DeathSantis.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:56:25am
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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:56:46am

re: #84 lawhawk

ARMs were a thing while interest rates were low, because you thought they could go lower still. But now, having an ARM means that you might suddenly see a huge bump in your monthly mortgage bill. Huge.

An ARM is a very simple thing. With it, the borrower has the risk if interest rates go up. With a fixed rate loan, the creditor has the risk if interest rates go up.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 11:58:54am

A: Republicans

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:00:56pm

think judge cannon watched?
She acts as if spy45 IS different from all the rest of us in the eyes of the law.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:01:07pm

re: #89 Dangerman

Corrupt and criminal business practices are tolerated so long as you’re rich and can distract prosecutors with campaign contributions and “donations” to the right causes/people.

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Crush White Nationalism  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:01:59pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:05:22pm

all roads lead to…everything’s connected

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:05:50pm

re: #92 Crush White Nationalism

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is bill barr saying trump et al didnt do these things?

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:07:05pm

re: #93 Dangerman

all roads lead to…everything’s connected

They lied to Tish James.
They lied to the FBI.
They fucked around.
They are now finding out.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:07:13pm

The Economist’s forecast model shows Democrats with an 82% chance of retaining control of the U.S. Senate and a 35% chance of retaining control of the U.S. House.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:07:18pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:09:57pm

apparently he has poached a major GOP donor - the wife of Oz’s campaign co-chair

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austin_blue  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:11:31pm

re: #58 Dopamine Fish

Who the fuck is going to sympathize with Trump? I doubt there are very many of us who have run casinos into the ground, lied to banks to get multi-million dollar loans, misrepresented our assets to investors and the IRS, and stolen top-secret classified documents from the government.

But when you are a celebrity you can do anything you want and get away with it!!!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:12:28pm
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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:12:29pm

re: #99 austin_blue

But when you are a celebrity you can do anything you want and get away with it!!!

Ugh, and now there’s an old (circa 2000) country song that got stuck in my head when you said that.

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Florida Panhandler  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:17:03pm

re: #32 TedStriker

What’s the over/under on DeSantis doing everything he can to make FEMA’s and other Fed agencies’ response as difficult as possible?

DeSantis has been on a populist pivot this whole year in order to try and shore up middle/lower class Floridians who need government services and regulations. Expect him to be very public about “helping” Floridians especially concerning FEMA to show “he’s in charge”.

If he were not campaigning (as he covertly is for President) he would care less about helping and maintain the usual Republican /QNut conspiracy assault nonsense towards FEMA or just about any other Federal Government program meant to help actual ordinary people.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:17:06pm

re: #89 Dangerman

A: Republicans

Specifically, the GOP has been utterly corrupted by dark money, long before Donald Trump descended the gold escalator, to the point that it only represented the interests of its wealthy donors, and had nothing to offer voters except dog whistles. This made it ripe for takeover by a populist conman, since everyone knew that the GOP empty suits running for President represented nothing but the interests of corporate boardrooms. Trump offered protection for Social Security and Medicare so he stood out from the crowd in defense of popular programs GOP voters depend on (but that GOP donors loathe) and combined that with xenophobic protectionism of American jobs from China and Mexico to appeal to white grievance. Trump also benefitted from his carefully crafted persona as a gifted businessman who could make deals and get things done, exploiting an electorate made greatly distrustful of the political class, including GOP politicians, by decades of propaganda propagated by radio hate talk pioneer Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, and the imitators they spawned.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:17:15pm

Trump meltdown Standard-Operating-Procedure:

✔ Add a derogatory nickname, in quotes, to their name,
✔ Call them a failure,
✔ Claim they have bad poll numbers/ratings,
✔ Conclude with, “Americans won’t stand for this”.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:18:47pm

you know that’s $250 million in NYS taxes.

i wonder what the federal implication is…
$1B, plus penalties and interest?

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:19:44pm

Regarding modern American evangelical Christian culture, and the fact that they put the “cult” in “culture”:

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:21:19pm
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No Malarkey!  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:23:26pm

re: #105 Dangerman

you know that’s $250 million in NYS taxes.

i wonder what the federal implication is…
$1B, plus penalties and interest?

Did the IRS ever finish its years long audit of Trump’s tax returns?

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Dr. Matt  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:23:50pm

re: #104 Dr. Matt

Trump meltdown Standard-Operating-Procedure:

And in the appendix of the SOP:

✔️ File a lawsuit or counter lawsuit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:24:24pm

re: #107 Dangerman

He also lied to the entire country. Multiple times (per day).

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:25:58pm

re: #106 Dopamine Fish

Regarding modern American evangelical Christian culture, and the fact that they put the “cult” in “culture”:

I mean, I personally deny original sin - we’re just not going to make perfect choices all the time - but I’m not claiming to be a guy who follows Christianity. And how exactly are you a Christian if you deny his divinity?

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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:26:02pm

re: #110 Eclectic Cyborg

He also lied to the entire country. Multiple times (per day).

I’m convinced that if Trump were somehow prevented from lying, it would be fatal within a day.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:26:07pm

re: #105 Dangerman

you know that’s $250 million in NYS taxes.

i wonder what the federal implication is…
$1B, plus penalties and interest?

it’s almost impossible to commit fraud at the state level and not at the federal.
so the odds are near certain there is federal fraud
and that’s even if they only look at what’s in today’s filing.

defrauding a federally licensed / insured bank, for sure

and any every state tax return that was based on a federal tax filing

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:26:55pm

re: #108 No Malarkey!

Did the IRS ever finish its years long audit of Trump’s tax returns?

as if..

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:27:36pm

re: #111 Belafon

I mean, I personally deny original sin - we’re just not going to make perfect choices all the time - but I’m not claiming to be a guy who follows Christianity. And how exactly are you a Christian if you deny his divinity?

‘i am because i say i am’

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wrenchwench  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:28:27pm
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:28:32pm

So, in news from TV land, it looks like one of the executive producers of The Conners has teased “There will be a major revelation about the history of the family where everybody’s going to go, ‘What?!’”

tvinsider.com

Here’s my guess:

Dan Conner died back on the original Rosanne show and the man living with them for the past five seasons has actually been Walter Sobchak.

That’d be a neat little plot twist 😄

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:29:22pm

re: #111 Belafon

I mean, I personally deny original sin - we’re just not going to make perfect choices all the time - but I’m not claiming to be a guy who follows Christianity. And how exactly are you a Christian if you deny his divinity?

The divinity of Jesus, surprisingly, was a topic of debate in the early Church. The thing of it is, it was only a topic of debate because the heretics kept coming up with crazy stuff faster than the apostles could run around and tell everybody otherwise. It wasn’t until they came up with the idea of having a council meeting, whose results would be published as authoritative, that everybody finally got on board with the idea that if you don’t believe Jesus is the divine Son of God, you aren’t really a Christian.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:29:49pm

re: #85 The Pie Overlord!

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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:30:12pm

re: #111 Belafon

I mean, I personally deny original sin - we’re just not going to make perfect choices all the time - but I’m not claiming to be a guy who follows Christianity. And how exactly are you a Christian if you deny his divinity?

People not being perfect is not what original sin is about. Original sin is the farcical idea that Eve’s Original Sin of disobedience in the Garden of Eden is inherited by everyone and dooms them to hell unless they are specifically saved via baptism.

So yes, it includes the belief that an unbaptized infant that dies when one day old is doomed to roast in Hell for all eternity, just like Hitler.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:30:22pm

*snort*

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:31:01pm

re: #113 Dangerman

it’s almost impossible to commit fraud at the state level and not at the federal.
so the odds are near certain there is federal fraud
and that’s even if they only look at what’s in today’s filing.

defrauding a federally licensed / insured bank, for sure

and any every state tax return that was based on a federal tax filing

Commit income tax fraud at the state level almost always entails a similar charge at the federal level.

NY financial crimes law is pretty sophisticated as the home to Wall Street, but the problem remains that these kinds of crimes almost always require lots of financial audits and lengthy investigations.

It’s not like Trump knocked off a bank, but the amounts are certainly enough to destabilize a small country or a very large city.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:31:06pm

re: #118 Dopamine Fish

The point being made with this survey, though, is that these so-called “Christians” are less about being Christians and more about being right-wing culture warriors, to the extent that they don’t even believe in some of the core doctrinal beliefs that define evangelical Christianity. (Original sin is not necessarily taught as doctrinal in all sects of Christianity, though the divinity of Jesus is.)

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Florida Panhandler  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:32:35pm

re: #111 Belafon

I mean, I personally deny original sin - we’re just not going to make perfect choices all the time - but I’m not claiming to be a guy who follows Christianity. And how exactly are you a Christian if you deny his divinity?

It should be noted that the denial of divinity was a central debate in the Council of Nicaea. Of course we know Emperor Constantine oversaw a vote to determine what would be become standard Catholic doctrine including that Jesus was divine. But there were plenty of other Christian sects that denied and still deny the full “Jesus-asGod” story.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:34:06pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

Youtube Video

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:34:14pm

re: #120 EPR-radar

People not being perfect is not what original sin is about. Original sin is the farcical idea that Eve’s Original Sin of disobedience in the Garden of Eden is inherited by everyone and dooms them to hell unless they are specifically saved via baptism.

So yes, it includes the belief that an unbaptized infant that dies when one day old is doomed to roast in Hell for all eternity, just like Hitler.

True. I have been equating sinless with original sin even though I’ve read On a Pale Horse and know the difference.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:34:48pm

Because Trump always reverts to type… Always. He surrounds himself with sycophantic suckups and people who tell him what he wants to hear.

He wants to hear how AG James is persecuting poor old white rich dude Trump because he hurt liberals’ fee fees.

He wants his lawyers to pursue all kinds of spurious claims and jam up the courts to delay a day of reckoning.

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austin_blue  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:35:12pm

re: #111 Belafon

I mean, I personally deny original sin - we’re just not going to make perfect choices all the time - but I’m not claiming to be a guy who follows Christianity. And how exactly are you a Christian if you deny his divinity?

A lot of Evangelical types believe that Jesus achieved his Divinity only *after* he was resurrected by God the Father.

This explains why he damned a fig tree, had human emotions, asked God to let him live, could get killed by Romans, &c.

All of the Miracles were actually done by God moving through his human vessel, Jesus.

Which, when you think about it, is kind of internally consistent.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:36:12pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:37:18pm

OMG

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:38:04pm

somebody doctored this thing up because they know that millions of Americans are dumb enough to think the president was heckled by the brit public with a phrase from a nascar race that happened months ago. At Elizabeth’s funeral.

and sadly, they’re not wrong.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:38:11pm

re: #129 The Pie Overlord!

…are not “expected in the real world to due [sic] their own due diligence.”

What the actual bejesusing fuck? I expect my 11-year-old son to exercise due diligence, what excuse do these chucklefucks have?

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austin_blue  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:39:18pm

re: #120 EPR-radar

People not being perfect is not what original sin is about. Original sin is the farcical idea that Eve’s Original Sin of disobedience in the Garden of Eden is inherited by everyone and dooms them to hell unless they are specifically saved via baptism.

So yes, it includes the belief that an unbaptized infant that dies when one day old is doomed to roast in Hell for all eternity, just like Hitler.

Not in Catholicism. We had Limbo, which was kinda sorta like Heaven but lacked “the Beatific Vision”- literally, the Face of God. It’s where good heathens, went, too.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:39:51pm

re: #132 Dopamine Fish

What the actual bejesusing fuck? I expect my 11-year-old son to exercise due diligence, what excuse do these chucklefucks have?

They were born into privilegewealth grift your son was not?

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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:40:04pm

re: #132 Dopamine Fish

What the actual bejesusing fuck? I expect my 11-year-old son to exercise due diligence, what excuse do these chucklefucks have?

Barr’s only job is to come up with excuses for Republicans. Apparently, the Trumpspawn count as Republicans.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:42:46pm
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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:44:04pm

re: #135 EPR-radar

Barr’s only job is to come up with excuses for Republicans. Apparently, the Trumpspawn count as Republicans.

That’s fine, but what concerns me is that people like Barr are using the word “children” as some sort of pejorative against James, like, HOW DARE SHE CHARGE CHILDREN WITH FINANCIAL FRAUD?!?!?!!! Dude. They’re adults. (Biologically speaking; mentally and emotionally, the jury’s still out on that one.) They even WORKED AT HIS COMPANY and were responsible for some of the misrepresentations at issue in this lawsuit. Nobody’s getting dragged into anything they didn’t already have a part in.

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wrenchwench  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:44:14pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

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That woke Schrader up. He stood up, rotated, and laid back down.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:44:16pm

re: #129 The Pie Overlord!

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Barr emasculates eric and don jr, and defeminates(?) ivanka, taking all adulthood, personal responsibility and agency away from them.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:45:09pm

re: #139 Dangerman

Barr emasculates eric and don jr, and defeminates(?) ivanka, taking all adulthood, personal responsibility and agency away from them.

Ah. So, like Republicans, then.

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wrenchwench  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:45:20pm
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TedStriker  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:47:05pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

“See anything ya like?”

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:49:37pm

Pickaninny + Jigaboo = Peekaboo

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:50:08pm

re: #129 The Pie Overlord!

But under TFG, 9 year old immigrant children were expected to defend themselves in court. Fuck those fuckers.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:50:19pm

re: #137 Dopamine Fish

That’s fine, but what concerns me is that people like Barr are using the word “children” as some sort of pejorative against James, like, HOW DARE SHE CHARGE CHILDREN WITH FINANCIAL FRAUD?!?!?!!! Dude. They’re adults. (Biologically speaking; mentally and emotionally, the jury’s still out on that one.) They even WORKED AT HIS COMPANY and were responsible for some of the misrepresentations at issue in this lawsuit. Nobody’s getting dragged into anything they didn’t already have a part in.

i dont remember the entire history

pretty sure some are trustees of his trust
they might have been officers of one or more of the companies

there are legal and fiduciary responsibilities when you accept these roles.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:50:41pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

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maybe it was the box, not the fish

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retired cynic  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:51:25pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:51:40pm

re: #144 Eventual Carrion

But under TFG, 9 2 year old immigrant children were expected to defend themselves in court. Fuck those fuckers.

ftfy

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:56:28pm

re: #106 Dopamine Fish

Regarding modern American evangelical Christian culture, and the fact that they put the “cult” in “culture”:

The poster is also in a creepy cult.

“Beliefs” and “culture” are not distinct categories…unless you’re un-self-aware about the cultural basis of your beliefs, in which case your beliefs are intuitive and other people’s beliefs are the product interference and contamination. Heresy, he says, but Christianity has always been a Ship of Theseus—all religions are. He just pissed that Evangelicals are discarding the planks he particularly likes. And his solution—teaching catechism—is literally just enculturation of kids with his base premises.

And, of course, original sin isn’t an abstraction without material consequence. The idea that’s everyone’s marked has a lot of utility if the only way to lift that mark is to participate in your cult’s rituals (and give labor and cash and deference). So the poster is saying “raise kids to understand they have to have church to be spiritually clean” which is…viciously cultural, nakedly manipulative.

Heresy only exists if there’s an authority to declare heresy, who has the cultural clout and enforcement structure to do so. Even the Pope can’t actually swing and hit another sect in a way that would make them correct their doctrine…welcome to Protestantism.And it’s just an arbitrary line, because the Bible is a text open to interpretation independent of millennia of enforcement about what it means. Just because you have to go back to the compilation of the Bible and the excision of, say, the Shepherd Hermas, from the New Testament* doesn’t mean the status quo of Christianity is natural and good. It requires a lot of people getting killed, and far more being labeled as bound for eternal punishment, to put into place.

Pure abstractions, like words, are infinitely mutable to the point that it’s an enormous challenge just to reconcile one person’s definition of a word with another’s. That’s why law language looks the way it does, trying to refine meaning to as precise a shared understanding as possible. But there’s no barrier to conscious or unconscious transformation of even the base premises of an abstraction. US reactionaries use “freedom” as a word to describe their license to harm others, Americans hawks use “freedom” as a word to describe freedom from coercion…for Americans, not for people in other countries where America has financial or strategic interests that are better served by a dictator suppressing leftism or Paul Bremer privatizing the oil reserves. Et cetera, et cetera.

Evangelicals suck, but they’re following the path of their predecessor churches actually did: if you have enough power the correct belief is what you say it is, and if God grants authority to specific guys they can tell you the occult meanings that append or override, and even directly contradict, the words on the page. Paraphrasing The Satanic Verses, “who will you be, after you’ve won?” is question for all ideologies and ideologues.

*and ignoring what the Jews say while stealing their holy clout

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2022 • 12:56:31pm

re: #144 Eventual Carrion

But under TFG, 9 4 year old immigrant children were expected to defend themselves in court. Fuck those fuckers.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:11:33pm
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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:11:45pm

re: #120 EPR-radar

People not being perfect is not what original sin is about. Original sin is the farcical idea that Eve’s Original Sin of disobedience in the Garden of Eden is inherited by everyone and dooms them to hell unless they are specifically saved via baptism.

So yes, it includes the belief that an unbaptized infant that dies when one day old is doomed to roast in Hell for all eternity, just like Hitler.

They put the unbaptized but virtuous, including infants, in Limbo, not hell. No roasting, no torture.

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:13:08pm

Oh… “peekaboo”.

I was trying to figure out why tfg was referring to a trillionth of a boo…
(picoboo)

And of course,

10^18 minations -> examination
10^15 coats -> petacoat
10^12 bulls -> terabull
10^9 lows -> gigalow
10^6 phones -> megaphone
2*10^3 mockingbirds -> 2 kilomockingbird
10^2 withit -> hectowithit
10 cards -> decacards
10^-1 mate -> decimate
10^-2 mentals -> centimental
10^-3 cents -> millicent
10^-6 scope -> microscope
10^-9 nannettes -> nanonannette
10^-12 boos -> picoboo
10^-15 fatales -> femtofatale
10^-18 boys -> attoboy

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:13:40pm

re: #151 jaunte

Does it include a passenger rail line?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:15:02pm

re: #154 Belafon

Does it include a passenger rail line?

One of the things that infuriates me about America is the practically non-existent passenger train service.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:17:07pm

I understand people want representation, but the James Bond franchise is kind of shitty in deeper ways that can’t be fixed by slapping on Idris Elba.

Like, the novels and the old films are about a very violent guy (and deep misogynist) going to British territories or ex-territories and exercising a total discretion to fuck up whoever and whatever while being smarmy to the locals. More than one text leans into racist caricature. More than that, Bond is the fantasy of British power stretched through the world through espionage, at a point when they can’t exert direct violence through military force. He’s also a fantasy of competence while the actual MI6 was diddling around with the Galen Organization, torturing leftists in Europe, and infiltrated by Cambridge Spy ring.

Craig Bond is defined by War on Terror imagery tropes in which the imperial center—the people with real power and money—are somehow corrupted by individuals from the periphery…Russian mobsters, African warlords, bad entrepreneurs…as opposed to the instigators of and main profiteers off of giant supervillain plots. It’s a series in which the monstrous acts that are realistic are done by the heroes, justified by the fictional non-state or Communist super-monsters intent on Ultraviolence.

Except the one where the villain is Rupert Murdoch and the one where they’re stealing water rights…but in both those cases the supervillain plan is just being done by our hegemons and ongoing.

I want a Bond who refutes the notion that we need rough men doing hidden cruelties just to keep things running. It’s fucking 2022 and I’ve had a beakful of how that works in real life.

Edit: so I cut out the line of “I don’t want a black Bond” because…it’s not true and it’s overegging the rhetorical pudding. I’d watch Elba Bond just like I’ve watched all the other Bonds: I don’t hate all the films , I just don’t like the aftertaste when there’s a clear dump of ideology in the midst of the romp. My point in that representation in this case is especially spikey, since the character and the plotlines of Bond are deeply rooted in hegemonic politics that incorporate racism and colonialism. Having a non-white character doing the same things with the same ideological frame is just really distasteful to me.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:17:47pm
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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:18:23pm

re: #154 Belafon

I think we’ll get good rail after Rs stop using socialism as a scare tactic, and that will happen after their voters’ racism ends.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:21:09pm

re: #158 jaunte

I think we’ll get good rail after Rs stop using socialism as as a scare tactic, and that will happen after their voters’ racism ends.

We can have lots of nice things once that happens, because Republicans have been blocking a lot of them behind equating “services for the common good should be paid for by taxpayers/government” with socialism.

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Mattand  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:22:59pm

re: #96 Dangerman

The Economist’s forecast model shows Democrats with an 82% chance of retaining control of the U.S. Senate and a 35% chance of retaining control of the U.S. House.

Swear to fucking God, the only reason Democrats are in danger of losing the House is because the media has been basically brainwashing people into thinking it’s a tradition that must always be honored.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:24:10pm

re: #160 Mattand

Swear to fucking God, the only reason Democrats are in danger of losing the House is because the media has been basically brainwashing people into thinking it’s a tradition that must always be honored.

That and states can gerrymander the House but can’t the Senate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:27:26pm

re: #161 Belafon

That and states can gerrymander the House but can’t the Senate.

no, but they can redouble their efforts to prevent many people from exercising their right to vote…the “wrong” ones, of course.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:29:29pm

…..but Beto O’Roark was arrested (but not prosecuted) for drunk driving 24 years ago. Plus BENGHAZI! AND HUNTER’S LAPTOP!

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:33:22pm

re: #77 sagehen

Those of us of A Certain Age aren’t as freaked by inflation as our youngers may be.

My college roommate, late 70’s/early 80’s, was getting 12% interest on her T-Bills. I got 10% on a basic passbook saving account.

I am also of that age and remember the inflation of the 1970s. Inflation also did not particularly bother me.

But what I remember is the terror of retired and near retired folks who were on fixed incomes. Particularly those for whom the economy did not reward after a lifetime in the labor market. They remembered the financial carnage of the Great Depression and what it did to their parents. And were worried about what would happen to them.

Add to that the recession as the economy readjusted from the post-WW2 boom and generational turnover. Iirc, it was called ‘stagflation’.

I always assumed that this was they reason they voted for Reagan and Bush.

By the way, we are in the midst of another generational turnover as the Baby-Boomers retire en masse.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:35:08pm

Tomorrow’s Wordle flies like an eagle.

Haven’t had one of these in a good while.

Wordle 460 2/6

⬛🟩🟩🟨⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

SibData: 2,3,3,3,4

My number one unwritten rule remains valid.

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:36:18pm

We laugh, but I do wonder whether this is part of the gqp economic plan:

.

You Can Eat Dog Food

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:37:23pm

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

…..but Beto O’Roark was arrested (but not prosecuted) for drunk driving 24 years ago. Plus BENGHAZI! AND HUNTER’S LAPTOP!

And he was in a band!!!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:38:29pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:39:06pm

Summary: Perp caught red-handed, thrown in DC jail. Cleanup proceeding well.
Washington Monument vandalized with red paint

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Moe Avattar  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:39:09pm

re: #156 The Ghost of a Flea

Youtube Video

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wrenchwench  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:43:37pm

re: #165 Grunthos the Flatulent

Tomorrow’s Wordle flies like an eagle.

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It’s a birb eat birb world out there.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:44:30pm

re: #169 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Summary: Perp caught red-handed, thrown in DC jail. Cleanup proceeding well.
Washington Monument vandalized with red paint

I see what you did there.

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:45:15pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

Sage@LelandSage
More parks should have people playing death metal cello in their underwear.

Bet he’s fun to go drinking with.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:54:14pm

There was a minor link at the H2 quick disconnect, but it remained within safety parameters of less than 4%.

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Crush White Nationalism  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:54:32pm
Ever watched Stranger Things on Netflix?… Are you fan?… THIS is the original Byers house! That’s right the home of Will, Joyce, and Jonathan Byers, just on the outskirts of the fictional town “Hawkins”.

zillow.com

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 21, 2022 • 1:56:11pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Jeez. Did somebody throw water into that gremlin?

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:00:51pm

WTF is Jr even babbling about?

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Mike Lamb  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:03:20pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

Take his money. Just as good.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:03:49pm

MyPillow guy is going wind up in MyPrison

under U.S. federal investigation for identity theft and for conspiring to damage a protected computer

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:07:22pm

re: #179 Dangerman

MyPillow guy is going wind up in MyPrison

under U.S. federal investigation for identity theft and for conspiring to damage a protected computer

And, as a bonus… There’s a line item about Dominion voting machines. I’m thinking at the very least, Dominion is gonna own MyShittyPillows.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:15:45pm
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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:17:27pm

You called it:

re: #167 William Lewis

The regimes next step is live ammo and they’ll either suppress it or start a full on revolution. They finally hit a breaking point.

.

.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:17:48pm
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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:19:59pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

Scott Charles@TheScottCharles
“I hope this message finds you well.”

- how the message actually finds me:

Our neighborhood in Nashville has some new residents, armadillos.

So after replanting various ornamentals several times - they’re digging in the yard doesn’t really bother me - I set out a haveahart trap.

To date I’ve relocated 3 armadillos*, and released 1 very unhappy raccoon. The raccoon puzzled me as I don’t bait the trap. FWIW you just set up a trap with guide boards in an area where the armadillos like to dig, and the armadillos eventually bump and bumble their way into the trap

*Not into euthanasia, these animals are survivors of a species thats been around for ~150 million years. And have a soft spot for raccoons as I had one as a childhood pet.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:21:13pm

re: #183 jaunte

And these are the ones who call themselves “Patriots”.

*spit*

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:23:03pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:25:17pm

re: #186 jaunte

Regarding #3, am I wrong or is there NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that not a single non-citizen even TRIED to vote in the 2020 election?

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:28:06pm

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

Anyone the least bit capable of calculating an individual’s risk vs. their individual reward for voting illegally wouldn’t be making this stupid argument. Add hundreds of degrees of risk and unlikeliness if that person is undocumented.

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:30:42pm

Hmm, I wonder why?
.

.

Oh…
.

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:30:57pm

re: #176 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Jeez. Did somebody throw water into that gremlin?

Feeding it after midnight.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:31:53pm

Letitia James gathering evidence against the Trump crime family.

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sagehen  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:32:06pm

re: #164 ckkatz

I always assumed that this was they reason they voted for Reagan and Bush.

I blamed it mostly on the Iranian hostage crisis.

Ted Koppel, an hour of “America Held Hostage — Day xx” EVERY. SINGLE. NIGHT. for more than a year.

Before cable, when there were only 3 networks…

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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:35:42pm

re: #192 sagehen

I blamed it mostly on the Iranian hostage crisis.

Ted Koppel, an hour of “America Held Hostage — Day xx” EVERY. SINGLE. NIGHT. for more than a year.

Before cable, when there were only 3 networks…

If only a few more helicopters had been sent on the Iranian hostage rescue mission.

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:38:50pm

re: #192 sagehen

I blamed it mostly on the Iranian hostage crisis.

Ted Koppel, an hour of “America Held Hostage — Day xx” EVERY. SINGLE. NIGHT. for more than a year.

Before cable, when there were only 3 networks…

It is true that Carter essentially shut down his administration until the Iran Hostage crisis was resolved. It definitely showed him as weak.

And, of course, the Iranians, encouraged by this, kept the crisis going until Reagan took over. The released the hostages.

What I also remember is that about this same time, the economic reforms of the previous 4-8 years finally started to kick in. Add to that a heavy layer of propaganda from the Reagan Administration and their co-conspirators that it “Morning in America”.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:42:26pm

re: #160 Mattand

Swear to fucking God, the only reason Democrats are in danger of losing the House is because the media has been basically brainwashing people into thinking it’s a tradition that must always be honored.

+1

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:42:51pm

Regarding Russian “Contract Soldiers”. Who have been trying to get out of the Russian Army in massive numbers. There is now a “Stop-loss”.

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:46:01pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:46:46pm

re: #194 ckkatz

And, of course, the Iranians, encouraged by this, kept the crisis going until Reagan took over. The released the hostages.

Republicans colluded with the Iranian hostage-takers for maximum benefit to Reagan’s campaign and presidency. Republicans are always ratfucking stuff like this.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:46:57pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:48:52pm

re: #199 gocart mozart

Kylie Jenner as Ariel would be awful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:49:39pm
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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:53:15pm

re: #184 BeenHereAwhile

Our neighborhood in Nashville has some new residents, armadillos.

So after replanting various ornamentals several times - they’re digging in the yard doesn’t really bother me - I set out a haveahart trap.

To date I’ve relocated 3 armadillos*, and released 1 very unhappy raccoon. The raccoon puzzled me as I don’t bait the trap. FWIW you just set up a trap with guide boards in an area where the armadillos like to dig, and the armadillos eventually bump and bumble their way into the trap

*Not into euthanasia, these animals are survivors of a species thats been around for ~150 million years. And have a soft spot for raccoons as I had one as a childhood pet.

we’ve been trying not to kill anything that’s decided to live in or around the pond
i am full into dissuading

- spraying areas with cayenne, garlic and castor oil to keep the voles at bay
- hoop houses to keep the iguanas out of the beds
- we changed the time we toss in the fish food when marlon the heron isnt around so he doesnt have such an easy time plucking out fish

- fire ants are tricky - i’ve been using sugar and borax. it sends them back under but since it doesnt kill the queen, they pop up again nearby

- armadillos, raccoons and possums, stray cats etc, dig around the grass but arent too destructive

they were all here first and now we’ve made it habitable for them again

ps - with way more work to do on the pond that we’ll never finish, i’ve started a super secret test project. havent told anyone. hard to keep secrets from mrsdm. should know in a week or two if it’s viable. it won’t be huge or groundbreaking, but it’ll be cool. stay tuned.

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:54:16pm

re: #198 EPR-radar

Republicans colluded with the Iranian hostage-takers for maximum benefit to Reagan’s campaign and presidency. Republicans are always ratfucking stuff like this.

This is very true.

Add to that the follow-on Iran-Contra ‘Affair’ with ‘Ollie’.

en.wikipedia.org

Heh, Ollie North ran for Senator in Virginia. The gqp cultists stuck “North’ bumper stickers on their cars.

A bunch of us then got ‘South’ bumper stickers. I put my ‘South’ bumper sticker next to my “Don’t follow me, I’m lost too!” bumper sticker.

Most outsiders concluded, rightly, that we’re all nuts down here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:54:18pm

LOL

GOP reading comprehension is so lacking

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:54:28pm

re: #188 jaunte

Anyone the least bit capable of calculating an individual’s risk vs. their individual reward for voting illegally wouldn’t be making this stupid argument. Add hundreds of degrees of risk and unlikeliness if that person is undocumented.

why would they even care?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:56:29pm

these people…

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William Lewis  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:57:36pm

re: #182 ckkatz

You called it:

.

I’d have rather been wrong…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:57:38pm
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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:58:53pm

re: #205 Dangerman

The ‘argument’ from the right is that non-citizens are voting.
Rational human behavior says otherwise.
Non-citizens in the country don’t want to call attention to themselves,
and there is no particular individual reward to be gained by taking the risk of illegally voting.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:59:05pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wait, I’m confused.

So now the GOP are anti-big business?

//

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 2:59:40pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

these people…

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- lost state tax money
- non banks that were defrauded (insurance companies)
- to stop all of them from continuing to do it

there’s three right there alan

oh, also - it’s illegal

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:00:24pm

re: #209 jaunte

The ‘argument’ from the right is that non-citizens are voting.
Rational human behavior says otherwise.
Non-citizens in the country don’t want to call attention to themselves,
and there is no particular individual reward to be gained by taking the risk of illegally voting.

yup. that’s what i meant

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William Lewis  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:01:43pm

And at the same time Iran is brewing up…

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:03:21pm

re: #211 Dangerman

Youtube Video

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Jay C  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:05:45pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

GOP reading comprehension is so lacking

JFC on a three-wheeled bike! I’m certainly not a lawyer , or a legislator, but even I can see that the language here is clear, obvious, and specific:

Nothing is this section may be construed —“

(To permit non-citizens to vote). And these idiot GOP tweeters think that they are going to score some sort of point by claiming, in effect, that the language of this bill says the exact opposite of what it does?

And the worst part is that their followers will simply accept the BS, and take to the ‘Net to blither away about this latest “outrage”….

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:06:08pm
New York Times: “A new batch of Mr. Trump’s legal woes in the headlines is certain to be unwelcome news for the Republican Party, which has steadily distanced itself from the former president’s tangles with the Justice Department over the classified documents he kept at Mar-a-Lago after his presidency ended.”

“And those headlines are something of a political gift to Democrats, who have been desperate to tie Republican candidates up and down the ballot to a former president who remains deeply unpopular among the public at large.”

“But Mr. Trump and his allies are clearly hoping they can deflect whatever political fallout Ms. James’s lawsuit inspires by drawing on past legal battles — all of which, so far, the longtime real estate baron has survived with the agility of an alley cat.”

zero evidence of the bold part

please do not insult cats, alley or otherwise
(they are in charge, will be mad and will take it out on us)

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:07:57pm

spy45 doesnt own any ny judges

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Wile E. Wonka  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:08:14pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wait just a damn minute… Isn’t that the Russian “thief’s star”, notorious as a gangster tattoo on knees or shoulders to signify authority within the mob?

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sizzzzlerz  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:09:33pm

re: #191 jaunte

Letitia James gathering evidence against the Trump crime family.

Important safety tip: Do not, under any circumstances, trip or fall while that machine is in operation!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:10:23pm
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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:10:56pm
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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:11:53pm

or his (air quotes) “children” ?

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:13:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:13:22pm

GOHMERT!!!

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:13:50pm

so the trumps are gonna need a new lawyer

if the ‘kids’ got any brains they’re gonna need 4

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:14:05pm

re: #222 Dangerman

or his (air quotes) “children” ?

I expect him to tell them that his favorite child will be the one that takes the fall for him.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:14:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:15:03pm
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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:16:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:16:35pm

heh

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Crush White Nationalism  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:17:28pm

re: #227 gocart mozart

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:17:44pm
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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:18:51pm

granted, it’s a civil suit

have there been any riots yet?

no?

hmm.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:21:15pm
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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:21:22pm

re: #231 Crush White Nationalism

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:23:11pm

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:24:48pm
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William Lewis  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:25:18pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

Youtube Video

The original pilot episode.

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wrenchwench  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:26:04pm

I like this radio station, despite the dj having just said she’s ‘here to soundtrack your afternoon.’ She doesn’t talk while she’s playing good music.
kmhd.org

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:26:11pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:28:29pm
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Belafon  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:30:36pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pretty sure the goal is to provide decoys so that people can’t figure out where his planes are going.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:32:10pm
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Florida Panhandler  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:32:16pm

re: #200 Eclectic Cyborg

Kylie Jenner as Ariel would be awful.

The whole racist mermaid argument is incredibly stupid. Let’s not forget that the LM Disney movie featured a 16 year old mermaid who gets married …at age 16. She then has a daughter soon after, some sources say 17 or 18. The creeps that want things to be exactly like the Disney movie are so fucking stupid.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:34:00pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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he really needs to stop digging.
- desantis, not uhlfelder

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:36:15pm

re: #242 Belafon

Pretty sure the goal is to provide decoys so that people can’t figure out where his planes are going.

which is exactly what you do when you’re trying to highlight a massive problem you want everyone to see so that as a country, we can solve it effectively.

no?

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:41:24pm

re: #240 gocart mozart

This woman can photoshop like Trump, too.

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William Lewis  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:46:07pm

One keeper from the 2nd roll through the Rolleicord. I have a roll of 400 ISO Fuji color
film started now; it’ll be interesting to see how that comes out.

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TedStriker  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:53:31pm

re: #199 gocart mozart

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:54:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:56:28pm
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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:56:45pm

re: #202 Dangerman

we’ve been trying not to kill anything that’s decided to live in or around the pond
i am full into dissuading

*snip*

- fire ants are tricky - i’ve been using sugar and borax. it sends them back under but since it doesnt kill the queen, they pop up again nearby

When I lived on the Gulf coast ~20 years ago, ISTM that FL was using Pseudacteon Phorid flies as fire ant control. Being familiar with how FL eradicated Screw Worm flies in the1950s, figured the that genus of Phroid fly would be a natural control.

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TedStriker  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:57:26pm

re: #184 BeenHereAwhile

Our neighborhood in Nashville has some new residents, armadillos.

So after replanting various ornamentals several times - they’re digging in the yard doesn’t really bother me - I set out a haveahart trap.

To date I’ve relocated 3 armadillos*, and released 1 very unhappy raccoon. The raccoon puzzled me as I don’t bait the trap. FWIW you just set up a trap with guide boards in an area where the armadillos like to dig, and the armadillos eventually bump and bumble their way into the trap

*Not into euthanasia, these animals are survivors of a species thats been around for ~150 million years. And have a soft spot for raccoons as I had one as a childhood pet.

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darthstar  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:59:45pm

This is funny.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2022 • 3:59:49pm

re: #247 Sherlock Hound


Translation: The feet are big, the brain is shit.

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TedStriker  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:00:07pm

re: #247 Sherlock Hound

This woman can photoshop like Trump, too.

Bozo’s love child is Italian? Mama mia, indeed…

///

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darthstar  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:01:20pm

re: #254 darthstar

This is funny.

Unless you’re that dude I suppose.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:04:45pm

Translation of “fragging” in Russian:
context.reverso.net

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:05:26pm
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retired cynic  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:05:38pm

re: #248 William Lewis

One keeper from the 2nd roll through the Rolleicord. I have a roll of 400 ISO Fuji color
film started now; it’ll be interesting to see how that comes out.

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It’ll be hard to beat this one!

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mmmirele  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:07:57pm

re: #118 Dopamine Fish

The divinity of Jesus, surprisingly, was a topic of debate in the early Church. The thing of it is, it was only a topic of debate because the heretics kept coming up with crazy stuff faster than the apostles could run around and tell everybody otherwise. It wasn’t until they came up with the idea of having a council meeting, whose results would be published as authoritative, that everybody finally got on board with the idea that if you don’t believe Jesus is the divine Son of God, you aren’t really a Christian.

Just going to point out that it’s way more complicated than this. One can make an argument that none of the apostles or Paul, for that matter, believed what what ended up in the Nicene Creed. Paul’s assumed authentic letters are very careful to say “Jesus is Lord” but shy away from “Jesus is God.” If one accepts the gospels written in this order Mark > Matthew/Luke > John and with a 20-30 year gap between Mark and John (a general scholarly assumption), you can see the “who is Jesus and what is his relationship to God?” develop. Mark pushes God adopting Jesus at his baptism. Matthew/Luke push this to a divine conception. And John goes straight to “Jesus was God from the very beginning.”

There are two books people can read on the subject. The first is “When Jesus Became God” by Richard Rubenstein. This book is over 20 years old but is much less polemical in tone than Bart Ehrman’s “How Jesus Became God” from 2014. I’d also note the whole notion of who/what Jesus is went on for a few centuries after Nicaea. And, in fact, the Western liturgical churches believe the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, while Orthodox churches believe the Holy Spirit proceeds only from the Father (filioque contoversy).

Yeah, sorry not sorry for going into the theological weeds.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:08:08pm

re: #254 darthstar

This is funny.

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Won’t be going tomorrow to Ukraine— doesn’t the Russian military provide at least a few weeks of training? Was this real — or was it staged?

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:12:53pm

re: #261 mmmirele

Thanks for this

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:14:33pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:15:55pm

re: #118 Dopamine Fish

The thing of it is, it was only a topic of debate because the heretics kept coming up with crazy stuff …

One man’s heretic is another man’s freedom fighter. Or something like that.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:18:16pm

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

Strangely, It looks like my sight with my cataracts.

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A Cranky One  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:20:18pm

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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:20:47pm

re: #118 Dopamine Fish

The divinity of Jesus, surprisingly, was a topic of debate in the early Church. The thing of it is, it was only a topic of debate because the heretics kept coming up with crazy stuff faster than the apostles could run around and tell everybody otherwise. It wasn’t until they came up with the idea of having a council meeting, whose results would be published as authoritative, that everybody finally got on board with the idea that if you don’t believe Jesus is the divine Son of God, you aren’t really a Christian.

That reminds me of the nastiest trick assignment I’ve ever heard of (probably apocryphal). A divinity school prof gives his students two choices: write a 20 page paper on the Church Fathers, or devise an original Christian heresy.

Needless to say, the second option is much more difficult than it may look.

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Dangerman  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:21:51pm
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darthstar  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:23:04pm

Someone’s not excited about getting a new Lada.

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:23:12pm

re: #253 TedStriker

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:24:46pm

re: #270 darthstar

Someone’s not excited about getting a new Lada.

she’ll change her mind when the refrigerator and washing machine show up…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:26:41pm
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A Cranky One  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:32:02pm

My dad asked me to promise not to argue theology.

I grew up discussing theology at the dinner table with visiting members of many faiths. The drunk Jesuits were the most fun. ;-)

My dad went to Vanderbilt to get a PhD in ministry after retiring. Other students would come by for dinner and talk shop.

Apparently some were upset by the discussions. Usually because of ignorance of other faiths and theologies.

Or maybe because I’m evil. That is a possibility.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:32:17pm
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:32:35pm

re: #236 Dangerman

I like it. There is only one problem; I now keep on hearing the Law and Order theme.

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William Lewis  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:34:16pm

re: #261 mmmirele

Yeah, sorry not sorry for going into the theological weeds.

Good overview.

Just as an aside, I don’t believe in “original sin” personally. That was a thing of Augustine and his own mental issues. However, my tendency to that kind of Pelagianism is considered a heresy by most mainstream churches though, funnily enough, it remains common in the Anglican tradition ;) I accept my heresy in that respect and frankly the Apostles & Nicene Creeds were written with enough loopholes to keep everyone happy.

As for Christology and the Trinity, I prefer to simply shrug my shoulders and say, “It’s a mystery” and mean that in the religious sense.

You believe what you want to believe and disregard the rest (apologies to Paul Simon)

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Axolotl  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:36:14pm

re: #126 Belafon

True. I have been equating sinless with original sin even though I’ve read On a Pale Horse and know the difference.

Piers Anthony reference! On a Pale Horse was my favorite in the series.

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William Lewis  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:36:37pm

re: #274 A Cranky One

I grew up discussing theology at the dinner table with visiting members of many faiths. The drunk Jesuits were the most fun. ;-)

Oh, hell yes. Especially if you have enough Latin to follow them when they really get in the weeds.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:38:41pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:39:46pm
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TedStriker  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:40:26pm

re: #271 BeenHereAwhile

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:41:29pm

re: #177 The Pie Overlord!

WTF is Jr even babbling about?

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Here is the story:

A North Dakota man who allegedly killed a teenager early Sunday morning by hitting him with his vehicle, reportedly told police the teen was a “Republican extremist.”

Shannon Brandt, 41, was charged Monday with criminal vehicular homicide and leaving the scene of a deadly accident in the killing of 18-year-old Cayler Ellingson, according to Inforum. The incident happened in McHenry, ND, located about two hours northwest of Fargo following a reported street dance.

“He was the one who called 911 to report the crash,” North Dakota Highway Patrol Capt. Bryan Niewind, told the outlet. Law enforcement authorities said the suspect was allegedly drunk when he hit and killed Ellingson with his SUV in an alleyway.

I haven’t found a non-partisan source for the story. But it seems to be widespread in the right-wing media.

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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:41:51pm

re: #279 William Lewis

Oh, hell yes. Especially if you have enough Latin to follow them when they really get in the weeds.

“one iota” etc. etc. etc.

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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:43:48pm

re: #283 Hecuba’s daughter

All right wing ‘news’ is lies. So I’ll wait for a real source on this. In any case, even if we take this at face value as an instance of left wing political extremist violence in the US, that is negligible compared to the right wing political violence.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:45:02pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

Meh. She’s going to lie her ass off and nothing will come of it.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:45:33pm

Who had this passing?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:47:03pm

Per cnn: DOJ can resume criminal probe of classified documents from Mar-a-Lago, appeals court says

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:49:08pm
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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:50:56pm

Tracey seems to me to be another in the legions of rightwing types best described as those who microwave fish in the company lunchroom.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:50:57pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:52:10pm

re: #288 Hecuba’s daughter

Per cnn: DOJ can resume criminal probe of classified documents from Mar-a-Lago, appeals court says

Article:

A federal appeals court is allowing the Justice Department to continue looking at documents marked as classified that were seized from former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home and resort.

The emergency intervention upends a trial judge’s order over those documents that blocked federal investigators’ work on the documents.

A special master’s review of that subset of about 100 records, which would’ve allowed Trump’s legal team to see them, is now partially stopped. The special master, Judge Raymond Dearie, is able to continue his work reviewing the rest of the material seized from Mar-a-Lago, to make sure records belonging to Trump or that he may be able to claim are confidential aren’t used by investigators.

“It is self-evident that the public has a strong interest in ensuring that the storage of the classified records did not result in ‘exceptionally grave damage to the national security,’” the three-judge panel from the 11th US Circuit Court of Appeals stated. “Ascertaining that necessarily involves reviewing the documents, determining who had access to them and when, and deciding which (if any) sources or methods are compromised.”

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:53:40pm

eta - PopeHat’s post basically summarizes #292 above.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:54:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:57:25pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:59:00pm

re: #285 EPR-radar

All right wing ‘news’ is lies. So I’ll wait for a real source on this. In any case, even if we take this at face value as an instance of left wing political extremist violence in the US, that is negligible compared to the right wing political violence.

The Washington Post just reported the story.

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:59:28pm

Also PopeHat on the Appeals Court ruling:

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 21, 2022 • 4:59:42pm

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

I shall add it to my calendar.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:01:05pm

Checking in.

My wife and I went to L’Anse aux Meadows (both the Viking and modern villages). The modern village is bigger than our hometown.

We started our hurricane party early in the hotel bar tonight. It turns out the barkeep did not know what a hurricane party was, so we instructed her on those important matters.

In the meantime, we’re staring down the barrel of Hurricane Fiona, now category four and still strengthening. It should pass by Bermuda tomorrow and then straight at Atlantic Canada. A hurricane warning is in effect for the entire island of Newfoundland.

Environment Canada says that the hurricane is pushing along fifteen metre waves. (Looks out window, sees hotel is two metres above sea level and the harbour is three hundred metres away.)

The hurricane is expected to be a “hybrid storm” by the time it arrives here as a category two: On the west side of the storm it is expected to dump huge amounts of snow drawn down from the north.

Hurricane categories
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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:01:13pm

re: #293 ckkatz

In other words, the 11th circuit basically told Loose Cannon her order was a clown show.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:02:52pm

lots more in Henry’s thread

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:06:07pm

re: #22 Hecuba’s daughter

Very common Trumpster theme: it’s blacks who are the real racists and anyone who wants children to learn the truth about our history is a racist trying to upset white children since the Civil War ended all problems of whites discriminating against blacks. Everything has been perfect since then, except for the unseemly efforts by blacks to secure equal rights, of course.

Very common Republican theme, happening pretty much all my life.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:06:51pm

WaPo ping: Appeals court sides with the Justice Dept in the MAL case.

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:10:55pm
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Belafon  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:11:15pm

re: #254 darthstar

This is funny.

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He was probably hoping that by saying it that way, they wouldn’t take him.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:14:12pm

re: #278 Axolotl

Piers Anthony reference! On a Pale Horse was my favorite in the series.

It and the second one are good. After that, I lost interest.

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darthstar  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:15:48pm

re: #305 Belafon

He was probably hoping that by saying it that way, they wouldn’t take him.

The finding out phase always hurts more than the fucking around part pleases.

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A Cranky One  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:16:44pm

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:17:09pm

re: #219 sizzzzlerz

Important safety tip: Do not, under any circumstances, trip or fall while that machine is in operation!

That’s what I thought. That guy falls and he is scooped up like ice cream.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:19:25pm

Michael Cohen may be helping the good guys now, but jfc is he ever a slimy bastard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:20:39pm

The relocation of the immigrants has drawn international attention. On Tuesday, lawyers representing some of the asylum seekers flown to Massachusetts filed a potential class-action lawsuit against DeSantis, Florida Department of Transportation Secretary Jared Perdue and unidentified people who helped recruit the immigrants in Texas.

The legal challenge, filed by attorneys with the Massachusetts-based Lawyers for Civil Rights, seeks unspecified monetary damages and asks a judge to block the DeSantis administration from “inducing immigrants to travel across state lines by fraud and misrepresentation.”

Iván Espinoza-Madrigal, executive director of Lawyers for Civil Rights, told reporters Wednesday that his organization also requested anonymity for the immigrants because they have received “a barrage of hate messages and death threats” as they try to recover from daunting journeys to the U.S. and subsequent trauma from their relocation to the Northeast.

U.S. District Judge Allison Burroughs on Wednesday granted the request to keep secret the names of plaintiffs identified as Yanet Doe, Pablo Doe and Jesus Doe.

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:20:40pm

Good grief! Yes, it’s Slovenia, but still, the T-55 was still in service? That way pre-dates even me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:21:42pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:21:56pm

re: #310 Charles Johnson

Michael Cohen may be helping the good guys now, but jfc is he ever a slimy bastard.

He wouldn’t have been hired by Trump if he weren’t a piece of shit.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:22:21pm

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:24:28pm

Another WaPo ping: Jan 6th Committee to interview Ginni Thomas.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:26:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:28:23pm
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darthstar  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:29:50pm

Give Tish James credit for timing here…

Do you remember
The 21st night of September?
Love was changin’ the minds of pretenders
While chasin’ the clouds away

Earth, Wind & Fire - September

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:30:06pm

re: #255 gocart mozart

Como dici “no shit” en Italiano?
/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:30:49pm
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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:32:06pm

Apparently there was a large prisoner exchange between Ukraine and Russian facilitated by Turkey and Saudi. Included 2 Americans captured while fighting on the Ukrainian side. Who the Russians got in return, beyond Viktor Medvedchuk, isn’t certain.

.

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steve_davis  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:46:31pm

re: #59 EPR-radar

My assumption is that the Fed is deliberately trying to create a recession in time for the 2024 presidential election.

Republicans cannot be trusted.

We won’t be in recession until after midterms, then the fed will get to start knocking interest rates down again and we’ll go into 2024 with a roaring democratic economy.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:48:25pm

re: #283 Hecuba’s daughter

Here is the story:

I haven’t found a non-partisan source for the story. But it seems to be widespread in the right-wing media.

The Colorado Springs Gazette has the story, but they source the Washington Examiner.

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Dizzy  Sep 21, 2022 • 5:56:13pm

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2022 • 6:05:00pm

re: #291 gocart mozart


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