And you thought there were no Palestinian rock-stars.

The "Stonethrower" animation is an attempt to redefine up as down, in as out, and white as black.

I had drawn attention to this virulent site on an earlier thread.

And guess what ? It is funded by the Aussie taxpayer via an Arts funding organisation.

"Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad"

is an attempt to redefine what has become a negative media image of Palestinians

G-d forbid the Pali's try something positive.

Maybe these guys could also redefine what has become a negative media image of the Nazis into a positive icon. I suggest selling Third Reich memorabilia in Hong Kong stores, or hanging cool pictures of Adolf and the boys in karaoke bars.

Oh, damn...never mind. Someone already thought of that.

IF YOU HAVE A TEETH-GRINDING PROBLEM, STOP HERE

I believe that you can trust a muslim as far as you can spit against a hurricane. Deceit is the cardinal virtue to a muslim. Read some of the anti-Amin (the recently flushed piece of muslim shit) comments from the top of the attached post, and then scroll to the whitewashers on the bottom page. It doesn't matter that that idiot slaughtered his countrymen, including a Roman Catholic Bishop, the mad mullahs believe he should be judged by the number of carpet humpers that he put through Uganda's colleges.

[Link: www.ugandamission.net...]

Well in reality the intended target would be safely ensconsed in a Merkava.

You people complain when innocent Israelis are killed in a suicide bomb, Good!

When a Palestinian throws rocks how much of a threat is he to Isreal?

Answer: None

@7

GAZE

Personally I think some real rocks ought to be thrown at whoever thought this idea up.
That would draw some real blood.

Jack off mofos

I got smacked in the mouth by a Pali rock thrower at almost point blank.

The fucker took a good number of my teeth and almost killed me.

Yeah. Typical ISM-style nonsense. Violence is OK as long as it's for "peace", in which case you are not a warmonger.

______
Wait, some moron just wrote:

When a Palestinian throws rocks how much of a threat is he to Isreal?

When an IDF soldier gets hit in the head by a rock and winds up comatose, at is just as much a threat to Israel as blowing up a car full of terrorists is for the Palestinians.

Well in reality the intended target would be safely ensconsed in a Merkava.

Ensconced in a Merkhava is preferable perhaps to the large number of infantry needed to shoot tear gas at stone throwing juveniles and to man checkpoints. Ideally, we should just carpet bomb from the air and be done with it, but Israeli's are too nice to do that. We should learn from the Russians and Americans.

Moron Leesider,

Go stand in a hail of rocks and see how much you like it. The most efficient way to do this is to move to an Islamic country and publicly denounce the Koran.

Let us know how it goes.

Charles, LGF is confirming my suspicion that the world has gone insane more and more. Perhaps I should stop reading it.

#7 Blindsider: Stoning is a form of capital punishment that goes on today in many muslim countries. Think first.....people who live in glass houses should not post.

What a clever idea! The site should take it much farther - let users virtually blow up women and children with a virtual suicide bombs. Virtually murder other virtual Palis for virtual collaboration. And how about the ever popular virtual honor killing of virtual female members of your virtual family. I bet there's a huge market for this! They could sell a stand-alone version as SimTerrorist, and then follow-up with SimLeftistBuffoon, SimIdiotarian, SimDemocaticAsshat, and finally SimFisk.

#7, you're right, rocks never hurt anyone. PLEASE throw one at the nearest police officer.

The fucker took a good number of my teeth and almost killed me.

AG,

I hope you almost killed a few of them as personal thank you.

7 leesider

When a Palestinian throws rocks how much of a threat is he to Isreal?

The children throwing the rocks are not the problem. Its the adults directing the children to throw the rocks for the European(ie worldwide) cameras that contribute to the perception of Israelis aggression. Unfortunately, the Pali's don't want a two state solution. So, there is a problem brought on by the PALI'S.

#7 Leesider

Congratulations. You are the first to receive the memo:

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Nekama: A work of genius. I salute you.

How about arming the IDF with rocks?

...and just wait for the reaction from asshats like Leesider

Rack #19 & send straight to Cooperstown. Epic!

Nekama: I'm stealing that. :)

#20 Charles

There is no higher compliment. Thank you.

#21 Macula,

To one group, stones are symbols of foundation. To another, they are tools of destruction.

Nekama (#19)

Outstanding!

Nekama

Your post is an absolute masterpiece that blows away all the lies and tears apart the frantic revising of history that has taken place over the past 60 years.

Do you mind if I copy that work of genius? It will become the main weapon in my anti-bullshit arsenal.

Nekama,

Oh yea, that's a keeper. Thank you.

In order to prevent another thread being hijacked, and to send your message to the appropriate department for response (FOAD, GAZE, Go Away Gordon, or The Bus To Rachel Corrie’s Tomb Is Leaving - Be Sure You’re Under It), kindly reply to the following questions:

How much do I just love that. Brilliant. No realli!

Nekama,

That'll about cover leesider I think.

Nekama: wow, excellent! Certainly, your post might become known as Nekama's Troll Hammer here on LGF soon enough...

Nekama,

SWEET!

An LGF instant classic. "Send a MEMO to that troll."

hans ze beeman (#31)

I bookmarked it as 'Official LGF Troll Memo' :-)

Note to Nekama:
Now that's impressive! Great work! What can I say but WOW!

(Ha'aretz Ticker, August 17, 2003/Av 19, 15:16)- IDF Intelligence Chief tells gov`t that Palestinians in some places threw stones at militants en route to attacks (Israel Radio).

@19 nekama

You have in one posting stated what I've been thinking, believing and saying for years!
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

I am not only going to steal this, I am going to post it with credits to you on my weblog too.

Do you mind if I also share this with the Rottey?

WOW!
You are totally awesome!

Nekama,

and to send your message to the appropriate department for response (FOAD, GAZE, Go Away Gordon, or The Bus To Rachel Corrie’s Tomb Is Leaving - Be Sure You’re Under It), kindly reply to the following questions:

LOL! Far better to nail every anti-semitic troll with this than numerous responses. Kick ass.

Please consider The Memo to be an open source, Linux based reply that all are welcome to use and improve upon.

Inspired by Zulubaby.

Nekama, you have just received idol status amongst the friends and family of LGF, what are you going to do next?

I bookmarked it as 'Official LGF Troll Memo' :-)

Good idea! Somebody perhaps should be designated as the memo poster so that we don't get 1000 memos posted for every troll. I vote Nekama or Charles, unless they are sleeping.

Just bookmarked it too.

Nekama (#38)

Oh, you are such a doll! I'm honoured that I inspired such brilliance in you ;-)

Wow Nekama, I need to memorize that the next time I heard another idiotic "Israel is the problem" rant.

You pretty much said it all. It's really unbelievable how one could side with the Palestinians given the history of the conflict. Particularly Jews like Chomsky and Shapiro. How or better yet, why, would a Jew hate his own people so much?

I don't get it. I must have missed that LLL memo or something.

#33: zulubaby

Me too. Such a gem should not be lost :)

Leesider is on the NYT Entebbe thread.

I posted a link to Nekama's memo

#39 TargetPractice

Nekama, you have just received idol status amongst the friends and family of LGF, what are you going to do next?

I'm inviting my LGF family to join me on vacation in Israel!

Zulubaby is the official LGF travel agent...

Make It So!

So many people in the world act like rockthrowing is such an innocent,harmless thing.But it's not. It can severly injure and yes even kill people.Try telling the parents of this baby rockthrowing isn't lethal. [Link: www.shilo.org.il...]
I have also seen pictures of soldiers bleeding to death and some paralyzed for life by *innocent* rock throwers.
Palestinian parents that let their children out in the streets to throw rocks,bottles,and firebombbs at Israeli civilians or soldiers should be put in jail and charged with child endangermant in my opinion.

A question for the LGF'ers

Is someone an anti-semite if they like:

Karl Popper
Stanley Kubrick
Philip Roth
Marc Bolan

but dislike

Arik Sharon

I'd like to hear an answer on that!

Nekama

Single most impressive post I have ever read on this site. For the first time ever I have saved a link to an LGF thread, titled simply "nekama 19".

Leesider (#48)

Go read post #19 and stop asking dumb questions.

To: Oz-bigot Jihadis
From: Seppo-land (USA)

Fuck off and die, and fuck your weird shithole of a country, with its "N****r Peak" still on the map, its obsession with alcohol and public house brawling, its 1950s British tabloid inspired media, and its slavish acceptance of Michael Moore as divine and unimpeachable authority on all things American.

Hee hee, no offence intended. Had you going, didn't I, you Bali-bomb apologist assholes. No offence, again.

Anne (#47)

That is absolutely heartbreaking. May his sweet soul rest in peace.

See AG in Houston's post too.

Is someone an anti-semite if they like:

No. But if that person thinks throwing rocks at 18 yr old Israeli troops is just fine, I'd have to say yes.

Nekama (#46)

I'm in. When do we leave? :-)

#48 Leesider:

I'd like to hear an answer on that!

Well, we would like to hear your answers to #19's points. Don't suppose that's going to happen, hmm?

Nekama,

Nekama indeed.

leesider

When I was injured by a stone-throwing 'youth' in his early twenties, I actually saw it coming. There were ten of, I was radio man for my officer so I happened to be at the front along side him.

There were appx. 800-1000 'youths' intifadaing their respective day away throwing molotov cocktails, rocks, using fucking giant slingshots to fire 5-foot metal spears at us.

Well, our officer decided to take the 'go-up-the-gut manuever' after we were fired upon.

We started a charge up the main street in Gaza City, through the market and I was first on the right column.

I saw some guy about 50 feet ahead of me closing fast.

I didn't really didn't think about much. Not too many people have the balls to get in the way of ten charging soldiers.

Well, this guy did.

He pulled a rock out and nailed me right in the mouth.

It hit me so hard, I remember 'hearing' it hit me. And that's about it.

I woke up in Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon with wires in my mouth and no fucking teeth.

Doctor said I was lucky.

I am lucky.

Leesider.

FOAD.

And how did I know the 'youth' was in his early 20's?

The age his parents gave the IDF officers in the gaza district hospital to identify his corpse was 21.

AG in Houston (#56)

Chilling. Thank G-d you're still with us.

#55

I think 19's answer is good and I will take it on board

Perhaphs in the same spirit you would tell me if I am an anti-semite in light of #48

#56

As someone on the ground you tell me your teeth are worth some other person's life?

AG,

Free beers for the soldier who took this punk out.

I hope your mouth is OK now and reconstructed.

Time for another contribution to the Libi fund.

Perhaphs in the same spirit you would tell me if I am an anti-semite in light of #48

I answered you. Read.

Leesider

I don't think you get it.

He tried to take me out.

He failed and got taken out.

Why is it so difficult?

If he would have left well enough alone and let us by, he would be alive today to teach his kids about how evil Jews are.

Why do you have a blindspot when it comes to the life of a Jew?

they had better get used to having only a virtual palestine - there certainly isn't/wasn't an actual palestine (nor will there be god willing). they can have palestine of 1's and 0's - Israel can have the land.

OT: Reuters' main man in Hebron, Mazen Dana, was on assignment in Baghdad, when he popped out of his car and pointed a video camera at a US patrol.

That was a mistake.

He's dead.

The U.S. military acknowledged on Sunday that its troops had "engaged" a Reuters cameraman, saying they had thought his camera was a rocket propelled grenade launcher.

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

As for virtualpalestine.org, here is the whois:

Domain Name.......... virtualpalestine.org
Creation Date........ 2001-06-18
Registration Date.... 2001-06-18
Expiry Date.......... 2004-06-18
Organisation Name.... Virtual Palestine
Organisation Address. 4/6 The Boulevarde
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Lewisham
Organisation Address. 2049
Organisation Address. NSW
Organisation Address. AUSTRALIA

Admin Name........... Potts Monique
Admin Address........ 4/6 The Boulevarde
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Lewisham
Admin Address........ 2049
Admin Address........ NSW
Admin Address........ AUSTRALIA
Admin Email.......... monique@cat.org.au
Admin Phone.......... 9569 1313
Admin Fax............ 9569 1313

Tech Name............ Potts Monique
Tech Address......... 4/6 The Boulevarde
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Lewisham
Tech Address......... 2049
Tech Address......... NSW
Tech Address......... AUSTRALIA
Tech Email........... monique@cat.org.au
Tech Phone........... 9569 1313
Tech Fax............. 9569 1313
Name Server.......... black.cat.org.au
Name Server.......... octo.hl.com.au

As someone on the ground you tell me your teeth are worth some other person's life?

Throwing rocks is intent to commit homicide. People die from it. You wanna throw rocks? Don't complain when a bullet goes up your ass.

I've heard a lot about moral equivalency from the right, and much of it well founded.

Perhaps you could tell me the moral equivalency between a human's teeth and a human's life, per post #56 and #59?

Is it beers all round for someone's death?

Forgive me for being an 'idiotarian'.

they had better get used to having only a virtual palestine - there certainly isn't/wasn't an actual palestine (nor will there be god willing). they can have palestine of 1's and 0's - Israel can have the land.

Good point Dhimmi. They can jerk off in virtual land as much as they want.

Is it beers all round for someone's death?

It's beers all around for preventing any further attempted murder.

Leesider:

How's about you stop asking so many questions and start answering a few?

Leesider;

You act as though the teeth we're talking about were removed at your neighborhood dentists office under anesthesia.

Someone was trying to kill him. He didn't let them. Where is the moral issue in that? Do you blame the people who survived 9/11 for the deaths of the terrorist hijackers?

Perhaps you should experience the feeling of being on a front line with people hurling deadly objects and shouting hate and threats at you - then you might have a bit of a clue.

Leesider,

By trying to smash a person in the face with a rock, the thrower is either trying to kill or main their target.

those who live by the sword die by the sword.

Have you ever heard of The Incredible Hulk Goes International? Read the Palestinian Hulk

L'INCROYABLE 'ULK: 'Ulk, he smash! 'Ulk, e smash puny golden arches! 'Ulk, e smash annoying bald man! 'Ulk hate Jews too! 'Ulk, e smash buildings of worship! 'Ulk stone busses of schoolchildren! 'Ulk not care. 'Ulk smash ALL enemies 'oo not 'ave refined culture like 'Ulk! 'Ulk smash you! Yes, you.... OWWWW! Zat 'urt! Assistance! Assistance!

PALESTINIAN HULK: Hulk smash old man in cafe! Hulk smash little girl in bed! Hulk smash all enemy's old people and children! What? Face enemy instead? You think Hulk stupid? Enemy strong. Enemy kick Hulk's sorry ass and make him eat own head scarf! But Hulk smart. Hulk have answer. Hulk push button on belt! See, work like this! Uh-oh...

RUSSIAN HULK: Hulk well remember days when he could smash you. Back then Hulk lay serious beating on you, believe you me. Ah, eternal tragedy of life. Share vodka shots with Hulk, we play chess and discuss this.

IRISH HULK: Never gets around to smashing. Too busy admiring beautiful green skin, and spending time at pubs. Works his way up to a temper occasionally, then beats self up and passes out.

AUSTRO-GERMAN HULK: Hear me now, believe me later, und recover next week! Hulk vill crush your pitiful head like tube of toothpaste, ja, und 4 out of five dentists vill not recommend you! (Remember ven Hulk say he smash you last? Hulk lied.) Hulk vill smash! Hulk vill crush! Hulk vill stomp all uber inferior enemies. Hulk, uhhh, Hulk be here before. Hulk do that. Hulk not enjoy later experiences. Hulk going back home now.

SAUDI HULK: Hulk smash evil seductresses in tight jeans! Hulk smash woman flight controllers! Hulk... (mmm, you cute - see harem director, third head-scarf from left). Now, where was Hulk... Oh! Hulk pay you to smash too! And you! And you! Hulk pay you to smash bad Jews. Here, more for bad Americans. Hulk not selfish, Hulk share rage! Everyone get mad like Hulk for Allah! Hey, Hulk not pay you to smash those. Uh-oh.

EURO HULK: Hulk smash! Hulk throw red tape! Hulk throw 15 volume regulation set for firing poor employees! (Bet that leave mark.) Hulk throw tantrum! Hulk throw big tantrum! Hulk really hurt you once Hulk pass required resolutions. Not laugh at Hulk! Bad people laugh at Hulk! Hulk smash. You see! No, really. Hulk mean it this time...

CANADIAN HULK: Hulk smash! Hulk crush puny American hockey teams! Hulk hip check puny enemies, then beat you like whole line of Hanson brothers! Hulk teach Americans to drink real beer! Oh, Hulk not mean to be impolite, eh. Did Hulk ever tell you about Canadian Constitutional Crisis?.... (5 hours later) Hey! Wake up! Not fall asleep on Hulk. Falling asleep make Hulk insulted. Make Hulk mad. Hulk smash! Hulk take over your comedy scene! Hulk flood your airwaves with Bryan Adams and Loverboy! Hulk send Celine Dion! Hulk throw in Mariah Carrey too! Hulk accept your total surrender any time now....

#69

Why the hell are IDF soldiers put in the path of pali stone throwers? This is the kernal of the issue!

Get the troops out to defensible borders.
Yes!, build a wall around the west bank and gaza, and let the palis stew in their own juice.

In 48, 67, and 73 Israel was well able to stand against soviet backed agressors!

Now they can stand easily against weakened arab satrapsies, they should have nothing to fear from an insignificant arab state on the west bank and gaza.

Get real people!

Leesider

We are there to prevent as many killers as possible from coming into Israel and detonating themselves amongst our civilians.

We are there because Jordan and Egypt don't want their land back.

We are there to make sure that another Holocaust does not befall the Jewish people.

And if we were not there all of these years, more attempts at the destruction of Israel would have been launched from the territories respective borders.

That is why.

Good Night, Leesider.

I can look myself in the mirror and be proud of who I am.

I am an Israeli Jew who put it all on the line for something that is good and right.

You are on the wrong side of history.

Can you look at yourself?

What happens when they hold "American Idol" type contests in islamania? You know what happens: THEY RIOT!

[Link: www.albawaba.com...]

#71 Leesider

See how easy it is? All you have to do is get in a conversation instead of asking leading questions intended to incriminate people according to your standards. (Thanks evariste).

Why the hell are IDF soldiers put in the path of pali stone throwers? This is the kernal of the issue!

The wall was not built then. It isn't finished now. What would happen if the Paleo "youths" encountered no resistence and attacked soldiers defending the "border". Could soldiers shoot then? According to your logic, yes. Actually, according to your logic, paleos storming the border should be met solely by Merkhava tank fire.

Now they can stand easily against weakened arab satrapsies, they should have nothing to fear from an insignificant arab state on the west bank and gaza.

When the fence is finished, there will indeed be less to fear. But don't expect anything other than bombing from the air in response to Qassam rocket attacks.

Also, if they do form a state, does Israel just sit back and watch as they arm at their leisure?

Leesider -- you asked "Perhaps you could tell me the moral equivalency between a human's teeth and a human's life."

According to this logic, if a badass pulls a knife on a cop in downtown L.A., the cop's only logical recourse is to use a knife himself, but not his gun?

Sorry, asshat, that's not how the game of life is played. If you employ any level of force against me, I have the right to use whatever level of force I deem necessry to terminate the fight.

"Gee, officer, I felt threatened. He had a knife."

"Sounds reasonable to me. Nice grouping, by the way..."

We are there to prevent as many killers as possible from coming into Israel and detonating themselves amongst our civilians.

Well if you build the wall high and long they sure as hell are not gonna get into Israel!

We are there because Jordan and Egypt don't want their land back.

Not to put too fine a point on it fuck egypt and jordan, are they worth one Israeli life?

We are there to make sure that another Holocaust does not befall the Jewish people.

How the hell will that happen with a goddamn big wall around your territories?

And if we were not there all of these years, more attempts at the destruction of Israel would have been launched from the territories respective borders.

If you guys had built a wall sooner their would have been much less of this grief!

Let the palis fuck up on their own.

#48 Leesider wrote: "...Is someone an anti-semite if they like:

Karl Popper
Stanley Kubrick
Philip Roth
Marc Bolan

but dislike

Arik Sharon

I'd like to hear an answer on that! "

Leesider, for someone who professes to "like" Karl Popper, you're argument is about as shallow as they come. It can be reduced to the cliché, "Well, I can't be antiseimite because some of my best friends are Jewish." You'll have to do better than that. Also, you don't know a thing about Karl Popper besides knowing the man's name.

The "Stonethrower" animation is an attempt to redefine what has become a negative media image of Palestinians into a positive icon.

There is so much leftie stupidity crystalised into this statement.

This is the kind of thing you could only write after a three-year liberal arts indoctrination program (sorry, I mean arts degree) that convinced you that there is no reality other than what is imparted via cultural or media constructs, everything is subjective, and there is no such thing right or wrong, only competing "worldviews" and "cultural norms".

Of course, if suicide bombers or rockthrowers have a bad rap it must be because the evil rightwing media are "demonising them" and anyone who has a problem with them is just a sheep who has been programmed by establishment media propaganda, therefore it is the solemn duty (funded by hapless Australian taxpayers such as myself) of every committed leftwing activist to right these "negative media images" with this kind of crap.

#61 AG in Houston

Don't even bother with the bait and switch from a TROLL.

The fact such an disingenious remark could and would be made by anyone is telling enough that this person has no empathy or understanding of the peril Jews face everyday.

As I've said before :
@58 leesider

GAZE

If you guys had built a wall sooner their would have been much less of this grief!

The first valid point by Leesider this entire thread.

Leesider, I expect you to write a letter to Bush asking him to lay off the fence building.

Thanks.

Also, you should apologize to AG. He put his life on the line to save people like me when I visit, and doesn't need this shit from you.

#78

Well forgive me for having to plough through the 'Poverty of Historicism' Lumiere!

I guess i'm a no-good anti-semite after all!

Thank you for reminding me!

Nakama - wonderful! I blogged it with a link to an earlier LGF masterpiece. I think they should both go on the LGF FAQ page.

#81

Bush and friends are compromised, their best frends are the fucking saudis

James Baker was meeting with Bin Laden's brother on 11th Sept 1991

Wake up about bush

opps 2001

[Link: lists.indymedia.org...]

The Virtual Palestine project is funded by the Community Cultural Development Unit of the Australia Council and supported by Metro Screen the Powerhouse Museum, the Sydney Indymedia Centre, the Australian Palestinian Club, the Council of Australian Palestinians, Cat@lyst Technology, Singularity Web Hosting, Elefant Tracks Independent Record Label.

LOUSY BUMS LEECHING OFF the Australian taxpayer.

BTW, Leesider:

I am a bit confused by your inane anti-semitic questioning earlier in the thread and your seemingly pro-Israel stand now. Was it Nekama's post?

I agree with Yehudit. Both those posts should go on the FAQ page.

#84

Bush and friends are compromised, their best frends are the fucking saudis

There are many on this blog who would agree with that. Personally, I think the power of the president is overrated, although not insignificant. Rumsfeld is no friend of the Saudis, neither is Ari Fleisher, Paul Wolfowitz, Condi Rice, or even, dare I say, Colin Powell. The president can't just say, "We have a cabal with Saudis. I hope everyone is onboard."

Leesider wrote ..."I guess i'm a no-good anti-semite after all!"

If that's what you think you are, who am I to argue?
You're argument still holds no validity. Side with the Islamofascists if you want, but please don't try quoting us Popper to support your theses.

As for me, I'm going to take the advice which was offered previously and
GAZE

#56 AG in Houston
____________________

I'm glad the Muslim rotter is dead. Taking out some teeth or crippling someone with rocks is serious business.

The palestinians cannot love.

Besides that, how exactly does this site promote anything positive about palestinians? Because they throw rocks at tanks and reserve gunfire for people in their homes.

As for me, I'm going to take the advice which was offered previously

Lumiere, Leesider is trying to converse now. Let's see what she has to say. ;)

#87

I'd like to know what is anti-semetic about saying the palis should not have a jackboot on their throat?

Let the palis make their own mistakes.

Even i'd like to know what objectively is pro-semetic abaout walling off the pals?

Let Israel rule Israel

I'm trying to be objective as an ex-catholic atheist can be

Leesider,

I'm still waiting for you to apologize to AG.

#94, I know this has little to do with the subject at hand, but it's become my mission in life to teach this one fact:

The word is "Semitic." One e, two i's. Anti-Semitic, pro-Semitic, Semites, anti-Semitism.

I've seen this mistake even in the best and smartest posters, but it just drives me insane and I want it to stop.

"Isreal" and "Isreali" are also irritating, but one thing at a time.

Leesider,

I agree with you about the wall. And you seem to have Israel's security in mind. But your questions are somewhat naive.

1. The palestinians aren't satisfied with the state they would have within the boundaries of the fence. Many, most want all of Israel.

2. You haven't answered my question as to soldiers' actions in response to a massive rock-throwing attack against a border position.

3. You haven't answered my question as to whether the Palestinian state should be able to arm itself or not, and what strategies you have in mind to prevent that.

Even i'd like to know what objectively is pro-semetic abaout walling off the pals?

If it saves Jewish and other lives of Israel citizens, it is pro-semitic.

Let Israel rule Israel

I agree, whatever you mean by this comment.

We prefer the spelling "antisemitic". No hyphen.

Lumiere I always use the hyphen.

Leesider: -

Hulk Crush!

#95

To hell with it Yair!

I've been reading this blog for 6 months and I think I have a grasp of the Israeli situation vis-a-vis the pals (at least as much as someone who is not on the ground, though I note that most of the people here are American).

I'll try to reiterate, build your wall, give the Pals their territory, and keep the border safe.

Is that so crazy, I know the religious zionists will not be happy and hamas will not be happy that they don't have the Jordan river to the sea.

But beyond some crazy trail of tears senario i don't know what will work.

Australia wants to refurbish the vicious, blood lusting, death revering image of the Palestinian with a video game? Stand in loin myte. The world's media has been at this game for nigh on twenty years. The trouble is, the palestinian refuses to cooperate.

surlybird (#96)

I have to laugh. I get irritated by the same things but my pet peeve is this...

"Isreal" and "Isreali" are also irritating, but one thing at a time.

Drives me mad.

Finally! Some life on LGF! What, you all came back from the dead?

#101 leasider

you are either very slimy intelllectualllly, or an active provocateur...{troll)

your non-sequitors are boring

:-(

ENTERTAIN< boyo!

#101

We agree. Let's hope the fence works. Agree we should have built it much earlier.

You should have said your views to begin with instead of asking ambiguous questions that misled many other commenters, and also disrespected guys who almost died to defend my freedom. You say you have been reading LGF for 6 months, but I have never seen you post. Next time, state your opinion clearly and unambiguously if you seek to avoid troll status.

zulubaby, surlybird

Some of us have difficulty forming coherent thoughts and now you want us to worry about our spelling too?

#106

Thanks

I haven't posted here prior to a few days ago
I'm just giving my 2 euros and I hope things work out in the mid-east.

btw i am from Ireland and have nothing to do with view-from-Ireland (full disclosure and all)

In fact i have conversed with people from Ireland who are very pro LGF

I just want u guys to know that just becuse one is to the left of Ann Coulter, one isn't anti-semetic or anti-Israeli

Okay

#107 CC Phil

Hi! :-)

I'll take all correction, grammatical or otherwise, from the likes of zulubaby!

BTW, Leesider.

You also called Zulubaby "Zuluditzy".

Your posts to LGF have made a 360 degree circle in the space of an evening. This is a good thing.

Leesider,

Cross post. I will drop it now.

On that page try clicking on "LOCATE" and Middle East and then see their idea of "palestine" - from the Jordan River .......

#109 leesider

Hi! :-)

Actually, why, yes you are.

I just want u guys to know that just becuse one is to the left of Ann Coulter, one isn't anti-semetic or anti-Israeli

Anne Coulter is crude. Her ideas are not.

Leesider,

I think Ann Coulter is pure trash. An insult to conservatism. Many others think so as well.

Subject dropped.

108 Leesider...

I just want u guys to know that just becuse one is to the left of Ann Coulter, one isn't anti-semetic

Okay, now you're just trying to tick me off.

Anyhow, have you learned that rocks can hurt? Yes? Good. That was the point of Charles's post.

Nekama 19 - Artful. Bravo.

If there's room for it in a future "Troll Memo", Arafat rejectionism of Camp David II/Taba is also largely responsible for where we are now [he humbly suggests].

AG in Houston (all posts) - I'm not worthy. Sleep well.

Yair 89 -

Condi Rice

She has an oil tanker named after her. That places the burden of proof on her to show she's not in an al-Saud pocket. I'm with you with the rest of that lot though.

Leesider 65 -

Perhaps you could tell me the moral equivalency between a human's teeth and a human's life, per post #56 and #59?

In retaliation for Sept. 11th, do you think they only fair response would have been to kill approximately 3,000 Wahabbi Muslim civilians?

What does a proportional response get you, especially when the intent of the original attacker is to do as much damage as possible, including trying to kill the intended target?

Memo to stonethrowers: stop attacking people with Uzis and M-16s.

As to your unwavering support for the Security Fence (which you've been calling a wall) - it has not exactly been the easiest issue to get through the Israeli Knesset.

Remember up until 2000, the last Labor government was trying to give away all of Gaza and 95+% of the West Bank.

It wasn't for a while into the Second Intifidah that the Israeli public felt the fence was necessary. A prime minister can't just snap his/her fingers and spend billions of dollars on something they know will be viewed internationally and domestically as incredibly controversial.

There are internal and external politics at play - again, remember - Israel's a democracy and there are other services and issues that the government needs to account for. Thank god they are finally building the fence now - but it is not really a "no-brainer" political issue.

Tiburon,

Do you think you could stop beginning all your posts with:

"Hi! :-)"

It is incredibly annoying and disingenuous. You also annoy me, BTW. Stop saying hi to me.

CC Phil (#107)

Some of us have difficulty forming coherent thoughts and now you want us to worry about our spelling too?

You seem pretty coherent to me. Is that all a pretense then? ;-) (Great job, by the way, if it is.)

Tiburon (#109)

I'll take all correction, grammatical or otherwise, from the likes of zulubaby!

Like hell you do :-P

In retaliation for Sept. 11th, do you think they only fair response would have been to kill approximately 3,000 Wahabbi Muslim civilians?

Lawyer in 'da house!

Maybe so, maybe not:
Troll = corrupt soundbyte

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It wasn't for a while into the Second Intifidah that the Israeli public felt the fence was necessary. A prime minister can't just snap his/her fingers and spend billions of dollars on something they know will be viewed internationally and domestically as incredibly controversial.

Beautifully said. Mind if I rip this off?

#112 Ruth

Israel is not shown because because it is the intent of the web creators to destroy Israel.

"My plane landed in Tel Aviv airport, I had so much trouble from the army peoples, for one reason, I was Palestinian.
After much trouble, I was allowed to enter, and my heart fell the second I walked out of the airport. Tears ran down my cheeks, as I smelt the air of Palestine. My heart ached, as I saw the Israeli flag flying high in the air, and then I had a determination, that the Palestinian flag will Fly instead one day."

[Link: www.virtualpalestine.org...]

#109 leesider

again, as always, I can be 'cryptic'...Let me try to explain to you.
there are approx 15 million Jews on the planet. There are appox. 5 billion other people. Do you understand 'powers', in the mathematical sense?
leesider - - - - think about this. 15 million Jews are responsible for all the ills of society, right?

I know the religious zionists will not be happy

How does this NOT make you an antisemite?
Let's review the numbers: -
5 Billion other people
(?) million Jews.
How does this NOT make you an antisemite?
Everyone here on LGF understands this instinctively, at least. Will you distance yourself from this morally reprehensible stance???
That little sliver of land that you could walk in ONE DAY?
Land Loved by Jews, the Few?
And you claim "Irish Neutrality" ???

Take more than that to 'un - "troll" you' in my eyes...

She has an oil tanker named after her. That places the burden of proof on her to show she's not in an al-Saud pocket. I'm with you with the rest of that lot though.

She has a *tanker* named after her?

Are you fucking kidding me?

%*&$^!

LOL!

56 AG in Houston

The age his parents gave the IDF officers in the gaza district hospital to identify his corpse was 21.

There IS justice.

G-d bless the IDF.

#16  Bob G.  - #7, you're right, rocks never hurt anyone. PLEASE throw one at the nearest police officer.

And while he's at it... throw one at your grandma, your childern, the next mom rolling her baby by in a stroller, and any one else you think would appreciate some harmless fun.

Tiburon,

Hi :-)

In the space of the hour it took you to write your last post, Leesider has made it known that she cares about Israel's security and wishes the fence were built sooner.

She hasn't apologized to AG or Zulubaby, but let's forget that. I insult people once in a while, too.

Leesider,

At the risk of being the dumb fat kid who jumps on top of the human pile after the douchebag (you) has been tackled, I must say I am astounded at your lack of knowledge relating to the true physics of a flying rock.

Why don't you stand up against the there wall whilst I hurl a nice baseball sized hunk of sedimentary at your cranium? I never made it to the majors, but in high school I did peak with an 85 MPH fastball.

Are you ready?

"against the there wall" should read "against that there wall"

I was trying to do the good ole boy routine.... Ugh, time for bed.

As Aaron #63 points out, Virtual Palestine is run by a Monique Potts.

Ms Potts is employed by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC), which is a taxpayer-funded Stalinist outfit that makes the BBC look like neocons (see, for example, [Link: www.smh.com.au...] ).

Please do not think that her views in any way represent those of mainstream Australia.

#117 Yair

If I said a smiley faced "hi" to you once, I"m now beginning to regret it. I do this once, when I meet a new person. I challenge you to show me from archives when I've done it twice, out of the dozens I've responded to...

#118 zulubaby

Ummm! well.... umm...maybe....could be....possibly..............

nah.

Bitch

;-)

Hummmmm..... I think there should be the rock thowing committee for where ever ISM has their rallies.

#127 Yair

First of all, friend
I saw his woosie reprise
Secondly
I'm buying none of it
the fence is the Auswitzch Fence
You and I don't agree, but since you called me on it, I'm tellin' you

If I said a smiley faced "hi" to you once, I"m now beginning to regret it. I do this once, when I meet a new person. I challenge you to show me from archives when I've done it twice, out of the dozens I've responded to...

You said "Hi! :-)" to Leesider just as you were about to bitch her out. This is disengenuous, since you do it to everyone. Do want people to like you? I don't care personally. If someone likes me because I express something intelligently or write a cool piece of code or pay for a drink or two and laugh it up, fine.

You are still an annoying dumbass, regardless of whether you only begin you posts with "Hi! :-)" when you "greet" a new person.

Tiburon, I am willing to drop this little tiff. Just don't talk to me anymore. You creep me out. Got it?

Yair:

Beautifully said. Mind if I rip this off?

All yours.

She has a *tanker* named after her?

Chevron Ship List. Scroll down - it's alphabetical. I heard they renamed the ship after she joined the Bush Administration.

Tiburon (#131)

Absolutely inappropriate. You want to talk to me off of LGF, fine. Don't do that again.

Chevron Ship List. Scroll down

OMG

Yair:

You're getting way too personal with way too many posters here.

P.S. to Yair:

Thank you for defending me re: the zuluditzy remark. I do appreciate it. I don't care if Leesider apologizes to me. I think he/she is a worm. But thank you all the same.

#118 zulubaby

Thanks. I can’t post much because my machine still has the “herky jerkies” that I mentioned earlier and the thread is moving faster now.

the fence is the Auswitzch Fence

WTF are you talking about Tiburon? Please elaborate.

#7 Dee Snider

You inspired a classic post earlier, with this statement:

When a Palestinian throws rocks how much of a threat is he to Isreal?

Your answer was none. Your post in #94:

Let the palis make their own mistakes.

...suggests Palestinians make "mistakes" when they throw potentially deadly projectiles at Israeli soldiers.

But beyond some crazy trail of tears senario i don't know what will work.

Do you agree that a good place to start is preventing the deaths of Israelis?

#134 Yair
Fine by me, ...as I've said before, it's a big Sandbox.

This sort of ad hominem attack on me, for a little quirk of mine (trying to respect the fact that there are some posters who have being doing this LGF thing for MANY MOONS, unlike me...) - trying to politely introduce myself to the community...

Doesn't impress me.

I never prelude responses to trolls (who I certainly gave Leesider the credit of NOT being - whatever the core of her 'moral relativistic' world view) with a smile, fella...

You play out your life out here on LGF, ok? Leave it to 'others' to make the decisions about what you'll 'comment on'....

K?

And no, wouldn't want to interfere with your digestion, Yair - so just scroll down, K?

You're getting way too personal with way too many posters here.

I disagree. I don't think I'm an exception when I get annoyed at a dumbass and say so clearly. Happens all the time.

I have mistakenly gotten annoyed with

You
Evariste

and apologized.

I have not mistakenly gotten annoyed with

Ben Noah
Tiburon
Ralph

Hardly unusual for LGF.

....I mean, because the "mistakes" you refer to result in dead Jews. Don't you think preventing these "mistakes" with overwhelming force would be an instructive approach to the aggressor?

Oh but you already answered that, when you turned 180 degrees from your original post. I'd say you were the intellectual equivalent of cheez whiz but that would be insulting to cheez whiz.

I just want u guys to know that just becuse one is to the left of Ann Coulter, one isn't anti-semetic or anti-Israeli

Have you taken your Ritalin?

#141 Yair

Since you are asking serious questions.

What other way to take the reality of a "Fence" that basically follow what has been referred to by some Israeli Leaders who are admired by many on this LGF as HEROES, as the Auswitsch Line. (Green Line)????

#136 zulubaby

You took my contextual expression (slightly) wrong. Nonetheless, and in full contrition, I apologize. You know me, zulu - I both love and fear you....

And would never wish you any harm.

You are our hall monitor.

Aaron, #63
"'The U.S. military acknowledged on Sunday that its troops had "engaged" a Reuters cameraman, saying they had thought his camera was a rocket propelled grenade launcher.'"

Reuters? Did anyone check that camera? Maybe they were right.

Thank you for defending me re: the zuluditzy remark. I

With all due respect I was bringing this up more to contrast the "early" Leesider with the "late" leesider. I agree though, I will not defend you any more. You can handle yourself and it is insulting for anyone else to do so. I don't expect anyone to do this for me, so I will not do it for anyone else.

Point taken.

#139

I'm sorry for saying 'zuluditzy' zulubaby.

Hope that comes out right.

What other way to take the reality of a "Fence" that basically follow what has been referred to by some Israeli Leaders who are admired by many on this LGF as HEROES, as the Auswitsch Line. (Green Line)????

Which Israeli leaders? Never heard this phrase, "Aushwitz line" before. Do you admire such leaders? Which LGF posters regard them as heroes?

#149 leesider

Ha! Moral Culpability! Welcome! :-D

#150 Yair

Them's fightin' words, my freind...But I'll leave it to about ONE HUNDRED OTHERS to link you to the quotes, from our Noble Leaders...

As to "which LGF'ers", subscribe to this view, I'll depend on the usual 'role call"...

Some of them, their ideas, I admire deeply, btw....but in this thing, I see them 'tricked' into appeasement...

Doesn't make me admire them less, outside this topic...

Them's fightin' words, my freind...But I'll leave it to about ONE HUNDRED OTHERS to link you to the quotes, from our Noble Leaders...

Link one for me.

google "Aushwitz line security fence israel":

Kahane

Lewisinoz:

"Please do not think that her views in any way represent those of mainstream Australia. "

An excellent point, and we certainly don't generalize from this, any more than we would generalize from Michael Moore's deplorable status as an actual American.
I think it's significant that none of our sizable Australian contingent have chosen to take offense at my post #51, which was my admittedly over-the-top attempt to mock Virtual Palestine's incredibly lame "no offence" dislaimer. Maybe nobody from Oz noticed, but I prefer to think that they just get it, and that this is an example of the highly developed sense of irony and himor that is such a celebrated part of the Australian national character.

#153 Yair

Gonna say this short and sweet. If you missed this one, you were sleeping or not yet old enough to be politically-aware in the last two decades. K? I will NOT link it for you, do the Google thing yourself, pretty well as I quoted it...

Yair...if you want to squabble with me, do it - I have a contact address, K? Let's keep off the common line.

Oh, yah...

#154 rayra -

I'll second that belated "Huzzah!" for Nekamah's post at #19 - probably the 'hottest' hardcore response I've ever seen on this chat line, on topic.....I hope it's remembered as a constant link.

(Re: - ) #155 Yair

Yair proposes that the first Israeli politician to use the term "Auswitzch Line" was Kahane... - Anyone awake out there, enough, to correct him?

Tiburon (#146)

I didn't take it wrong at all, I know exactly what you were doing, but as I said, you want to talk to me off of LGF, you know how. Inappropriate, understand? Please don't respond to this post here. I am not the hall monitor and that's the last I'm saying about this.

Yair (#148)

Once again you misunderstand me. I was thanking you for defending me, your motivation for doing so aside. Simple as that. No "point" to be taken.

#156 Thufir Hawat

um... Hi! :-)

Did you post anything between #51 and now that I missed? It was cute, but not earthshaking by LGF humour standards, IMHO....

To be a troll, you have to actually say something offensive, not 'humourous/nonesensical'....

Or ya know, become sharp-toothy ..... :-)

For what it's worth, My Mother, who was there at the heart of it way pre-State - really admired the Aussie attitudes to the Jews, way more than the Brits attitudes (though she in the end, married one...)

Aussie's are good folk. They 'stood up' also, recently, when many other 'first worlders' didn't.

And hey, I certainly took no offence from the rock thing....I love those trajectory games. I play them with 9 mm and sabots from my 12 gauges.

Heh. ;-)

Simple as that. No "point" to be taken.

Zulubaby, I have a hard time taking people at face value. It is no doubt a personality flaw. It does protect me from the numerous assholes and liars I've seen, but the problem is, I second guess everyone. Rest assured I am nothing but neo-con peace and love.

Hi :-)

Yair proposes that the first Israeli politician to use the term "Auswitzch Line" was Kahane... - Anyone awake out there, enough, to correct him?

Why don't *you* correct me Tiburon? Or do you not have the balls? Or do you require backup because you know I'm gonna smack you down?

There're a lot of short fuses here tonight, eh?

If you have personal problems with personal messages from other posters, why burden all the other readers with your personal responses to those personal responses, eh?

This is a general query....

Yawn....

Bored George,

You should email eatshit@biteme.com with your boring responses to the boring personal conversation here on LGF.

#166 Yair

Please... take a deep breath, have a stiff drink, go for a walk or whatever works for you... but cool down a little. This whole thread is getting painful to read.

#166 Yair

Haha,

At least now you're being clever...thanks for the amusement.

Now, what about the real sticks and stones which were the point of Charles' post?

thanks,
George

I thought we were all working on 'converting' leesider,
not squabbling among ourselves.

With that my beloved LGFers, I'm off to bed.

A goodnight to you all.

Again....nekama........I'm so proud of you! *?)

Please... take a deep breath, have a stiff drink, go for a walk or whatever works for you... but cool down a little.

Mr. Pol,

*You* are telling me this?

At least now you're being clever...thanks for the amusement.

What? I wasn't clever before? Sorry.

OK, I'm outta here. My work is done.

BTW, there's a good reason that actual Israel banned Kahane.

Abba Eban's a good guy, but no modern politician uses that phrase, in my recent life.

Adios. Good night.

#168 Bored George

Now, what about the real sticks and stones which were the point of Charles' post?

Well, Israel's reaction to the first 'Intifada' was wrong. The mistake was sending the army for riot control. Soldiers are not trained nor equipped for this kind of action. The right reaction would have been to seal the 'green line' and send cops with water cannons. Spraying the Arabs with ice-cold seawater and stopping them from crossing the 'green line' would have guaranteed a few thousand deaths from pneumonia, and stopped the whole movement... Instead, Israel sent the IDF to try and save the Arabs from their own stupidity, and gave them endless propaganda opportunities, both internally and with the 'international community'.

We are still paying the price for that stupid mistake.

#164 Yair

Um, that would be the noted right wing fascist ultra nationalist Zionist: - Abba Eban (may he rise in peace)

The Auschwitz Borders.

Google that.

Spraying the Arabs with ice-cold seawater and stopping them from crossing the 'green line' would have guaranteed a few thousand deaths from pneumonia, and stopped the whole movement...

I wasn't aware there was a sea water pipeline! I'll have to research this!

Shit, I said I was outta here. damn.

#172 Yair

OK, I'm outta here. My work is done.

Yep. You've succeeded in irritating almost everyone. Good job.

BTW, there's a good reason that actual Israel banned Kahane.

Oh, we all know the reason. He wasn't PC. Too bad he was right.

Abba Eban's a good guy, but no modern politician uses that phrase, in my recent life.

'Politics': from latin, 'poly' (many) and 'ticks' (blood-sucking creatures).

Looks like the right carreer for you.

Tiburon,

Don't deface the grave of Abba Eban with your Meir Kahane bullshit, many years out of context.

You are confirming to me that you are a 'tard. But the journey is interesting. So keep at it!

#177 Yair

Congratulations. You just won the Special Olympics an Internet debate.

#172 Yair

You have not the slightest idea of who Kahane was, so STFU.

(this does not equal support of his positions or political stances - it is a neutral (and factual) statement)

I'm "out of here", too.... :-(

Thanks all good hearted Jews for your quick response. Let's all cower behind the Fence and our "Protector", the American State Department. (READ: - Ariel (Arik = The Sword) Sharon)

Good.
Night.
Irene.

Well, minimally, Yair taught me that eating Creatine before
blogging leads to an intense workout but a quick fade as well....

I wonder if I should now hunker down with something more mellow....

goodnight, sleepyhead!

g

"out of context"

ah, Yair has the 'miracle laser' to protect us...thanks Yair

Get it into our hands, soon...K?

Zulubaby,

I am I allowed to get "personal" with Mr. Pol? Please?

Yep. You've succeeded in irritating almost everyone. Good job.

You make the same mistake as that other poster in the other thread the other day.

Stop speaking for LGF. Nobody was "annoyed" with me until I started criticized Meir Kahani, a man who should be banned.

It is good to see the moonbats show their stripes. Very educational. Crawl back into your cave Pol. Long live Israeli democracy. May it shtup you wingnuts till the end.

let me reconsider...
I've said strong words here... I'll stay awhile to defend them.

#182 Yair

Israel's democracy will endure as long as people like AG, Caton or myself are willing to sacrifice their lives and their souls to protect it.

If you're the new generation, Israel's in a world of shit.

And you did piss off almost everybody in this thread, boy. You're just too stupid to notice.

Tiburon, rhymes with moron,

Israel doesn't need jews like you. Please get lost. Dumbfuck.

#182 Yair

What "Israeli Democracy", you tulling....

And you did piss off almost everybody in this thread, boy. You're just too stupid to notice.

No, I just pissed off the morons in this thread. Including you. Stop speaking for others.

#186 Tiburon

Thanks for the link. Very depressing. To think that's what we risked our lives for...

#187 Yair

He can certainly, in this case, speak for ME! :-P

You are usually so acute and focused. Bad hair day?

#187 Yair

Time for a roll call, then. Who is not pissed at the boy?

Tiburon,

Give me your synopsis of the link you just posted.

BTW, I'm glad you got brave as your buddy Mr. Pol poked his dipshit head into this little chat.

Ok, Zulubaby,

I'm adding

Mr. Pol

to the list. My point still stands.

#188 Mr. Pol

Hi! :-)

We can't think like that. If there is any reason for the struggle, it goes back to HaShem's Plan for the World...The temporary 'rulers' of our Land, the "Hellenists" who are now in control....they will fade, and I for one believe we won't have to go "round the wheel" again to see, in Reality, the answers.

And the Truth. (The Israeli Card = The Truth)

Well, if we're gonna play this game, let me say that guys like Tiburon and Mr. Pol are the downfall of Israel. Except the aren't, because they'll be arrested on the way to assassinating Sharon. Freaks. Time to tip off the Shin Bet.

I have relatives there! Loads of fun. Just an email away!

You make the same mistake as that other poster in the other thread the other day.

Oh, that explains it.

Not at all surprised to see Geepers here. Anyone else?

#193 Yair

Any of these 'relatives' in the limousine with Yitzach just after the 'assassination', Yair?

We can't think like that. If there is any reason for the struggle, it goes back to HaShem's Plan for the World...The temporary 'rulers' of our Land, the "Hellenists" who are now in control....they will fade, and I for one believe we won't have to go "round the wheel" again to see, in Reality, the answers.

Moron, you are living in dreamland.

Your friend,

"Hellenist"

Hi :-)

#193 Yair

I spent four years in unit 367, making Israel safer even for dickheads like you. What exactly did you do for Israel?

#197 Yair

Why do you suppose I was particularly speaking about you, my friend?

"thou do protest too loudly"

That other, maybe Jew....

Would've been proud to be in that limo with Yitzchak. Very proud. One of the greatest Israel leaders. But even if you disagree, Jew assiassinating Jew is not the path.

You know I have relatives in the shin bet, right?

#200 Yair

No, you don't have any relative in any security service. If you did, you'd shut up and not tell about it. Liar.

#200 Yair

Are you familiar, Yair, with the author Barry Chernish?

Yair says:

Israel doesn't need jews like you.

And now you're what, the spokesman for Israel?

oops...it's been a while ...

Barry Chamish

I spent four years in unit 367, making Israel safer even for dickheads like you. What exactly did you do for Israel?

I spend my time donating money to Israel and trying to convince an American populace that not every supporter of Israel is a Meir Kahane freak.

Difficult work actually. Does Isreal need more infantry?

BTW,

I grew up since the age of two in the states. Six kids. Two oldest in Sayeret Golani. So eat my ass. Dad served, didn't want me to go. My hebrew isn't good enough anyway. The Lishgat Hagius didn't want me at 30.

And now you're what, the spokesman for Israel?

I speak for the ruliing of the democratic Israeli knesset, which banned Waco fucks like you ages ago.

Get lost.

#205 Yair

I here the Mishtarah Gvul will take one in a special unit, even over 50 years old, on a volunteer basis, no pension. Same duties. Whaddya think, my friend? Wanna go?

No, you don't have any relative in any security service. If you did, you'd shut up and not tell about it. Liar.

Suit yourself Mr. Pol. If I really start to think you are dangerous I will pop off an email, rest assured.

BTW, being in the Shin Bet is not secret. Telling what you do is.

I here the Mishtarah Gvul will take one in a special unit, even over 50 years old, on a volunteer basis, no pension. Same duties. Whaddya think, my friend? Wanna go?

Nah, I think my talents are better suited stuffing fucks like you, small glory that it is.

#206 Yair

It is you, who is in "dreamland", or in deep denial, if you actually believe that the Knesset of Israel has ANY power over the Executive Branch.

"A generation of the unteachable hangs about us like a necklass of corpses"

Who said that?

#205 Yair

Yeah, Israel needs more people who can go undercover in the Arab-controlled territories. That's how terrorism is fought, boy. With men on the ground.

BTW, am I supposed to be impressed because one of your ancestors parted the Red Sea? If you want to serve, you can.

#208 Yair

Go pop your email, asshole. 'cause dangerous is my middle name.

"A generation of the unteachable hangs about us like a necklass of corpses"

Meir Kahane or your mamma? I can google quotes too, but I won't bother.

Go pop your email, asshole. 'cause dangerous is my middle name.

OK puppy dog.

#208 Yair

Now, sir...you overstep. Actually, even mentioning which unit you work in, before retirement, is a no-no.

Are you trolling to see who will 'counter-threaten' with emails of their own? Like me?

Unfortunately, Yair - I'd have to sense a 'serious threat', and you just don't count.

Sorry

Get more 'balanced, anti-religious, Shinui-supporting, and settler-hating' in your positions. (oh, and publish your positions IRL, btw.)..Then, after time, and we see what comes down, you stand by your beliefs and I''ll stand by mine. You can decide then, if you want to live in Israel, or, ya know - "
"abroad"

BTW, am I supposed to be impressed because one of your ancestors parted the Red Sea? If you want to serve, you can.

How long have you lived in Israel dickbutt? Did your grandparents start a moshav in 1950? Or are you one of the Brooklyn wingnuts Israel can so do without?

That's right Tiburmoron,

I hope Shinui succeeds and let's the smaller settlements fight the palestinians on their own.

What, with hill youths attacking IDF soldiers, good kids who listen to Mr. Pol. Bah. I'm tired of all my relatives defending dingus settlements in Gaza. Let those pussies fend for themselves. Same goes with the west bank. Big settlements, put them behind the fence. Others, rot.

Get it?

BTW, Most Israelis agree with me.

#216 yAiR!!!

BROOKLYN WINGNUTS!!!! :-o

Are you mad, boy? Go to sleep, go back to History class, go away, my man....You are talking like Paulin!

Who the F .. ARE YOU? Are you the REAL YAIR??

You have talked such sense, many places and times online on LGF. Is this the REAL YOU!???

You HATE YOUR FELLOW JEWS SO MUCH??????????????

:-O

I'm flabbergasted.

Yair:

With all due respect, I happen to know both Tiburon and Mr Pol and you really shouldn't be speaking to either one of them like that. I do not mean this in a threatening way, but they are both very decent men. I hope you don't treat people like this in real life.

@21& Yair

YOur a fucking liar. Most Israelis, by a wide margin, do NOT agree with you... YOu are a scumbag Israeli/Jew Leftist, the Fourth "L" in the LLL....

Fuck you.

But, I love your Neshama. Asshole

#208 Yair

Born in a kibbutz, boy. From a kibbutzim mother (and a dirty capitalist father). Left in 1995, after my unit was disbanded. Not interested in staying in a country that reneged on its "never again" commitment.

You'll be entitled to talk about Israel's security and democracy after serving in the Army, or when you live there. Right now, you're just another Gordon-like asshole.

I'm waiting for the embassy to call me and share the joke about your email to Shin Beth, boy. I'll let you know.

#219 zulubaby

You are absolutely correct, and I apologize unequivocally to "Yair" for my outburst. No excuses.

.

You HATE YOUR FELLOW JEWS SO MUCH??????????????

Tiburon

Please. Fellow Jews murdered Rabin. Not all Jews are my friends. Get this through your head. If you plan to assassinate Sharon, or if you shoot IDF soldiers who try to get rid of an outpost, or if you defy the Knesset and the rule of law, you are not my friend.

Jewish is not enough

#208 Yair

Oh, by the way... was it a Naturei Karta moshav that your ancestors founded?

Yair (#206),

I speak for the ruliing of the democratic Israeli knesset, which banned Waco fucks like you ages ago.

?

Just what the hell does that mean?

You really are tiresome. Posters here have repeatedly attempted to point out your poor rhetorical style, your ignorance of the issues, your inabillity to carry on a halfway civil dialog, your crass and lame insults and you ignore them all and carry on about your merry way.

Here's a clue - you don't even have to buy it - make your point, back it up with facts. Insulting people who disagree with you doesn't win the argument or bolster your stature. Does that make any sense to you at all? You aren't winning any friends or influencing people here.

With all due respect, I happen to know both Tiburon and Mr Pol and you really shouldn't be speaking to either one of them like that. I do not mean this in a threatening way, but they are both very decent men.

Zulubaby, let their words speak for themselves.

#224 Mr. Pol

LOL! :-)

. Posters here have repeatedly attempted to point out your poor rhetorical style, your ignorance of the issues, your inabillity to carry on a halfway civil dialog, your crass and lame insults and you ignore them all and carry on about your merry way.

Name one. Besides Ralph, Mr. Pol, Tiburon, Ben Noah, and to and to an extent, Zulubaby (who has also complemented me)

Hi :-)

BTW, Geepers, google "doublethink"

Yair (#226)

Zulubaby, let their words speak for themselves.

They do. But more than that their actions do. I told you, I know both of them.

Born in a kibbutz, boy. From a kibbutzim mother (and a dirty capitalist father). Left in 1995, after my unit was disbanded. Not interested in staying in a country that reneged on its "never again" commitment.

If you're so disillusioned with Israel, why are you posting here?

STFU.

You'll be entitled to talk about Israel's security and democracy after serving in the Army, or when you live there. Right now, you're just another Gordon-like asshole.

So I shouldn't be able to talk about US politics if I haven't served in the armed forces? Bush? Clinton?

There's an information war going on now, and dingbutts like you should be put in the stockade.

#226 Yair

"K...here's some words, civil as I'm able, guy....

I'm tired of all my relatives defending dingus settlements in Gaza. Let those pussies fend for themselves

Umm, Yair? These are literal relatives? Or just figurative relatives?....
Makes a difference, ya see, wouldn't ya agree?

And lest we forget, .... according to the RoP and the PA and pretty well any source diligent cross-cybersphere investigation can glean, by the deft and talented folk here at LGF...."Settlements", means "East Jerusalem" of infamy (didn't exist before 1920-odd - built pretty well by Jews, captured by Jordan in '48....recaptured by IDF in '67)

including the Kotel and the "haram al sharif"...

Not worth fighting for, either, Yair??

If not, can I suggest you go and fight for a little beachhouse in Malibu, and get off the field? Tired of trying to 'shoot around you', brother....

Zulubaby,

With all due respect, their words speak for themselves. I know nothing of their actions. This is a bulletin board. They waste as much time on it as I do. So I disagree. They are big boys. They don't need you to defend them.

#230 Yair

I'm posting here because it's fun, boy. Trolls, blind Bush supporters, post-modern moral relativists, Naturei Karta freaks and their asshole kids, former and active military people, and a few anti-idiotarians make for an interesting mix.

Now tell me, why do you post here, boy?

By the way, you can't talk about U.S. politics if you haven't lived in the U.S., either. But keep trying to distort my words. It's entertaining to watch.

#231 Tiburon

Try posting in the English language, non-hysterical version.

#234 Yair!

D'Oh! Ya got me, boy...."out-encrypted" myself!! :-)

Ya win.

Night all. Blessing to all, too - may all our dreams be proclaimed for good.

Zzzzzzzzzzz

By the way, you can't talk about U.S. politics if you haven't lived in the U.S., either.

Yes you can.

.

I'm posting here because it's fun, boy.

...

Now tell me, why do you post here, boy?

Well, this n***** slave enjoys chatting with dumbfuck Kahane Jewish Israeli enemies like you. Passes away the time.

Yair (#228),

Name one. Besides Ralph, Mr. Pol, Tiburon, Ben Noah, and to and to an extent, Zulubaby

LOL. Why bother? You named five for me.

BTW, Geepers, google "doublethink"

And this is supposed to mean what? Or be a response to what? Or show me the light of what?

Hi :-)

Now that just hurts.

#236 Yair

Oh, so now you Naturei Karta freaks call yourselves 'n***** slaves' ? Interesting.

LOL. Why bother? You named five for me.

If you like numbers don't get on Reaganites list. You'll really be in trouble then.

And this is supposed to mean what? Or be a response to what? Or show me the light of what?

It's supposed to show what contradictory bullshit you belive in, but I guess you didn't get the message.

Now that just hurts.

It shouild The guy's an asshole.

Oh, so now you Naturei Karta freaks call yourselves 'n***** slaves' ? Interesting.

You can do better Mr. Pol. Yes, even you.

#240 Yair

So, when you meet your PLO masters, do you bend over or do you kneel, boy?

So, when you meet your PLO masters, do you bend over or do you kneel, boy?

Well, you made me laugh for the first time, dingus Pol.

You will be the one kneeling if you try anything stupid.

Good night.

#19 Nekama,

I just have to sound off on that post too: BRILLIANT!

#242 Yair

Tell Aaron Zeevi his nephew is still stirring up trouble, boy. It's going to be fun.

Yair (#239),

It's supposed to show what contradictory bullshit you belive in, but I guess you didn't get the message.

It was? Well it didn't do a very good job of that. Maybe you could point out what it is exactly that you know that is contradictory in what I belive in.

Like you could or would know what I believe.

What are you a mind-reader?

So spell it out. Cuz "BTW, Geepers, google "doublethink" " an argument does not make.

OT: Explosion in Tel Aviv, cause unknown.

OT: 5 wounded, one serious, in an explosion in a diner in Tel Aviv. First reports say it's gas.

On the right hand side of the website "Virtual Palestine", there is a word in Arabic and the translation is written as "release." True, irmi means "release", but usually in the sense of "shoot!" or "fire" (i.e. relaesing a bullet, arrow etc).

Ok, so I'm late again and expect no one to read this, especially Leesider, to whom it is addressed (is the grammar awkward enough yet?).

Leesider,

I must say that it is refreshing to see someone like you acknowledge that Israel has not only the right to exist but to defend herself. Although you are doubtless to the left of me, I will read you seriously (despite your initial post in this thread). I expect that we will agree on little else, but that is enough for the beginning of a conversation.

zulubaby,

My schedule has firmed up somewhat. I am still looking forward to sharing a beer with you and perhaps other SOCAL LGFers in the spring (Charles, mommydoc, and PDM, this means you). It is out of a desire not to pester you that I have avoided using your email. May I do so? Email or call me if you would.

I will be going away again soon.

Yours,
+Photi

Photi:

Please, e-mail me or call me whenever you want! You do not "pester" me and I'd love to hear from you :-)

OT: Tel Aviv's diner. The explosion was NOT accidental, it was a bomb left near the elevator of the ''Steckyat Haahim'' diner. One dead, four wounded.

zulubaby,

I will call you soon. Must sleep now as I have to get up in three hours to PT (Physical Training) the new CPO selectees.

Good night, my friend.

Yours,
+Photi

"We have no indication that this was a terrorist attack", my ass.

An Israeli police sapper removes a traditional Arab Kaffia covering a suspected bag left behind on a street in West Jerusalem. One woman was killed and at least three people were injured in a suspected bomb blast near a popular restaurant in Tel Aviv. Israel is on high alert for possible militant Palestinian attacks, following two suicide bombings close to Tel Aviv and at the entrance to the West Bank settlement of Ariel.

Photi (#242)

Be well and good luck with that on three hours sleep ;-) Talk to you soon...much love, sleep tight.

I think someone posted this already, but all in a day's fun...Israeli driver ambushed by terrorists in West Bank

#255 zulubaby

From the article:

A few Palestinians are trying their very best to destroy the cease-fire, but they are not succeeding.

WTF? Sounds like Yair...

Mr Pol (#256)

All PC, all the time. Disgusting.

AG in Houston --

As a terrorism survivor, I know what you go through, every day.

I wasn't even injured in the attack, not physically, although tonight I will once again stay up to five a.m. -- that's when the bomb went off in my college dorm some 35 years ago. It never leaves you. You smell the bomb, the fire, every day for the rest of your life.

And no one "gets it" -- not even your family. Liberals say, "You gotta understand... " Fuck 'em. Conservatives say, "Snap out of it, weakling!" Fuck 'em too.

Leesider -- That is why it was right to shoot dead the monster who wounded AG. When somone tries to kill you randomly, visiously, you never get over it. Ever.

Why can't the Aussies just drink a beer for peace?

#258 Microsoft delenda est

The only way to get over it is to kill the fucker....

I guess this is an improvement over the Hizbollah first person shooter video game where you get to murder Israelis in many violent and gruesome ways. Call it evolution -- at this rate these people will become civilized in at least 10,000 years.

As an Australian gentile, I am profoundly ashamed that my taxes fund this crap. Don't hold it against us; most of us are sane...

I love Nekama's memo.

Just over 10 years ago, Reagan said:

"in the West today, we see a free world that has achieved a level of prosperity and well-being unprecedented in all human history. In the Communist world, we see failure, technological backwardness, declining standards of health, even want of the most basic kind--too little food. Even today, the Soviet Union still cannot feed itself. After these four decades, then, there stands before the entire world one great and inescapable conclusion: Freedom leads to prosperity. Freedom replaces the ancient hatreds among the nations with comity and peace. Freedom is the victor."

Replace "Communist" with "Islamic" and "Soviet Union" with "Muslim World", and one realises plus ca change...

We must, and we can, do something about it.

One should probably replace "the West" with "the Anglosphere".

In 1985, George Clinton (a.k.a. the only Clinton worth a f*ck), on the album "Some of My Best Jokes Are Friends" wrote:

The World is made up of equal proportions of bull's eyes and bullsh*t

I think the world has skewed a lot more away from bull's eyes since that time.

I mean, come on... unless you're swathed in Kevlar body armor, throwing rocks at people with guns is STOOPID!!!!!

It's simple as that. If you throw rocks at soldiers, you are stupid, you are an idiot, you should be chlorinated from the human gene pool with dispatch and extreme prejudice.

But No-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o to the left, demonstrating extreme stupidity only means you feel passionately about your cause. Maybe it does, but it still means you are an idiot. Passion does not equal righteousness, in fact, passion often leads to stupidity.

Feelings over common sense, culminating in Government-funded viagra for AIDS victims, is the paradigm of contemporary leftist thought.

Yeah, I'm cold, I know. But I just think the world would be a lot better off if we could just get rid of the crazy and stupid people, or failing that, at least isolate them from power.

# 6 Camel Prophet:

Loved this quote from the link:

He appealed to Muslims to ignore allegations against Amin and advised them to appreciate the fact that everybody had his weaknesses.

Yeah, Amin had his weaknesses, a weakness for human blood. Maybe Idi was a true follower of the Cult of Death by his drinking the blood and eating the organs of his victims?

If the RoP cares, how will they ever elevate themselves in "Orientalist" eyes if they keep on making apologies for murdreous tyrants like Amin and Hussein, and his evil spawn, Qusay and Uday? From what I continue to read from the pens of these Islamic jerks, and hear from the mouths of these Islamic idiots, murder, whether of one's own citizens or not, is acceptable in Islam by the mere fact that it is not condemned.

This thread started with the ridiculous "VirtualPalestine" site. As an Aussie, albeit in London, I am appalled that taxpayer money should be going into this type of moonbat activity. (And what a CRAP website design !)

I read the VirtualPalestine site as being just another example of left-wing loonies feeling they have to side with the Palis. And then try to gouge some money off the taxpayer to support their nonsense. It is part and parcel, for example, of slices of UK Lottery funding being subverted to "charitable" causes that turn out to be supporting outfits here in the UK that have been shown to be conniving to increase the already-excessive flow of illegal immigrants. And to my mind is similar in spirit, if not in kind, to giving faculty status to creeps in US academia who spend most of their time preaching against the US.

This is perhaps an endemic problem within the Anglosphere. On the one hand we have our elected Governments deciding that there really has to be a war against Islamofascism - with US, UK and Aussie blood and money as part of the cost of this on-going war, in the Far East as well as the Middle East.

But because of our belief in liberal values, free speech and so on, we tend to tolerate within our midst people who undermine what we stand for. Our proper historic concern for individual rights gets warped by PC attitudes that try to argue that moonbats like the VirtualPalestine crowd, rabid clerics like Abu Hamza, warped academics like the Columbia Prof. etc etc deserve their place under sun unless they do something that is totally illegal. People who would be lined up against a wall and shot if they expressed such dissidence in any of the dictatorships they espouse.

I suppose this is part of the price of freedom. The main thing is for good campaigning journalists, guys like Daniel Pipes and weblogs like this to keep alerting us to what is crawling around under the stones.

I don't think OZ as a whole deserves too much stick over the aberrant funding of the VirtualPalestine site.

Besides - Aussies are getting plenty of stick already from the Kiwis over recent disasters on the rugby field, especially the hammering of the OZ Wallabies by the Kiwi All-Blacks. To lighten the tone a bit, here is a link to some Schadenfreude by those damn Kiwis -

[Link: members.hn.ozemail.com.au...]

I never understood about 10 years ago why the South Korean riot police didn't shoot the "student" protestors who thre gasoline bombs. Throwing flaming gasoline at someone is attempted murder by my book. So is throwing stones at high velocity. Just because your odds of "success" in killing is better with a rifle than a rock, doesn't mean that throwing a rock isn't a serious attempt to cause death or injury.

Of course, back in college, when I was still semi-live and let live despite my time in the Navy, I almost felt sorry for the poor Paleos during the first Intifadah. Not quite realizing how noxious their final goal was ( or remembering the murder of Americans like Robert Steathem, USN or Leon Klinghoffer), I though it was almost a bit "David and Goliath", except David was the Philistine and Goliath was a Jew. I know from the success of Peace Now, and the election of the Labor governments, even many Israelis felt that way. If the Paleos had kept it to throwing rocks and burning tires, Israeli public opinion probably would have resulted in a Paleo state by now.

The hatred and stupidity of the Paleos caused them to ratchet up to suicide bombings and shootings. Arafart felt he was losing his image as leader with the Paleo kids leading the way with rocks. So when the Islamobot kilers started blowing things up, he wasn't to be outdone in the killing.

As an average Christian America, I suspect I'm not the only one who almost felt sympathy for the Paleos. But I suspect I am in the majority, following the celebrations in Paleo land after 9-11, and the attacks on woman, children and old people, at parties and Passover dinners and Bat Mitvahs, that our sympathy meter for the Pali's is hard on the low peg.

Ed

WTF? Sounds like Yair...

That's the best you can do Pol? Your IQ precedes you.

BTW, really glad Israel banned you extremist Kahane fucks. Now we just need to beat the shit out of the settlers who attack IDF soldiers. They're next. I'm sure you and Tiburon support them. Sharon has the brass balls to deal with civil war anti-rule-of-law morons like you.

After them come the Haredi parasites in Jerusalem. To think normal Israeli's support a bunch of Yeshiva ass-pickers. Can't wait for them to be picking up litter off the highways. Have fun with your incredible disillusionment with Israel.

Zulubaby, glad you think I'm disgusting. Never thought someone someone would call me PC. If Mr. Pol and Tiburon are "good guys" you need to reconsider your little buddies.

Don't know if it's been said, but I've got an idea for more fun with virtual stones:

How about a Flash animation where you get to hurl a rock at a virtual adulteress, whose been buried in the ground up to her shoulders.

You can have little virtual dull thuds as the rocks hit, and little virtual pieces of flesh, bone, and brain that fly off as the stones strike.

The victim can make little virtual moaning noises.

A little virtual imam can check her periodically to see if she's still alive.

And when she dies, a virtual sunrise and rainbow grace the screen in tribute to the virtual god, Allah.

#269 Yair

Still insane and incoherent, I see... so it wasn't lack of sleep.

#268 Ed Moran,

If the Paleos had kept it to throwing rocks and burning tires, Israeli public opinion probably would have resulted in a Paleo state by now.

Don't forget that three years ago, a state was offered to Arafat and he turned it down without even a counteroffer or attempting to negotiate on its borders or sovereignty.

The olive branch and the dove of peace were offered by Israel; yet, a dove-kebab was thrown onto the fire to the frenzied cries of "More! More!" and "Pass the petrol, er, bbq sauce!"

BTW, Good morning, LGF-er's

Tiburon: Hi :-)

Still insane and incoherent, I see... so it wasn't lack of sleep.

Is there something I didn't make clear? Stop talking about yourself, Pol. You fool nobody.

Jebus!

Chalas!

Excellent LGF posts and responses to trolls. But there's one thing you don't understand. You can't reason, negotiate, converse, etc with the enemy--the paleo lobby.

You can't respond with reason, for instance to the troll who said that rock throwing isn't such a big deal. And you can explain the history, for instance Nekama's excellent post. It doesn't matter. The Paleo lobby doesn't hear or understand you.

I fought the paleo lobby on the NYTimes forum for months, with facts, history, reason, etc--to no avail. They are a religious sect in their fanaticism, inconsistency, and blindness.

It's a choice they've made. Don't waste your breathe responding to them. It only puffs them up.

Late to the thread and I haven't read the comments yet, but I just wanted to say that this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. The sheer mind-numbing stupidity of it beggers the imagination.

It's a choice they've made. Don't waste your breathe responding to them. It only puffs them up.

It is said you should never get down in the mud to wrestle with a pig. You end up covered in mud, and the pig only enjoys it.

Still, I've learned through hard experience that when you don't answer a challenge, it will be perceived by the challenger as a submission. Even if it doesn't do any good, we have to restate our arguments when challenged. It won't do any good against the terrorist-huggers, but it might suade some in the middle. Especially if they see our arguments are grounded in facts and realism, and the left's srguments in the programmed repetition of silly and hateful slogans.

Cheer up. From Sunday.

A Palestinian Reuters cameraman has been shot dead in Iraq while filming a prison. Reports are that he was killed by U.S. soldiers.

A Reuters staffer told The Associated Press in Baghdad that Dana, a Palestinian, appeared to have been shot by U.S. soldiers as he was videotaping outside the Abu Ghraib prison after a mortar attack there Sunday, in which six prisoners were killed and about 60 others were wounded.

The staffer, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the videotape in Dana's camera showed two U.S. tanks coming toward him, two shots, apparently from the tanks, rang out and Dana fell to the ground. He was taken away by a U.S. helicopter for treatment.

Direct hit! Not only a Palestinian, but from the press and probably a stinking muslim!