Politicians are such whores.

yup, pretty ridiculous. of course, it's fair to ask whose responsibility is it to fight illegal immigration, the state of california or the federal government's?

but since the state of cali can't offer citizenship to illegal immigrants, it does seem unfair for them to do so in a de facto manner.

Ridiculous pandering, but even if this becomes law, I wonder how many illegal immigrants will feel comfortable documenting themselves as illegal immigrants by going through the process to obtain a license.

The nutjobs in CA could take a lesson from our good friends in New Zealand. Check out this link showing how NZ is dealing with women who come there solely to have their children (to get free health care and citizenship):

NZ to charge foreign women for births

Memo to GWB: please call Red Davis and yell at him.

Right on Charles!
My Husband, who has recently become a citizen, is outraged and disgusted.
Another good one is the feds warned banks and other institutions that the identification cards that the Mexican embassies are issueng are not reliable and that these businesses will accept them at there own risk.

You cant blame Davis solely. It had to go through the state legislature first. I do think this is conspiracy of some type (excuse me while I put my tinfoil hat on).

I dont understand why anyone wants a million undereducated people into the country. I dont need my car washed, or my grass cut THAT often. The only thing left for them to do is some form of crime.

Every immigrant who entered the US legally, and went through the complicated bureaucracy to get legitimate citizenship, should be outraged at this blatant pandering by the execrable Gray Davis.

I sure am.

Yes this is good. Call in next week to hear about the Legislature's Latino caucus calling for passports for illegals. - It's only fair.

/LLL

Umm, did anyone in Cali's government actually check to see ID for those folks who are applying for a driver's license?

Didn't some of those 9/11 hijackers get IDs under false pretenses from various states who had lax ID requirements for drivers' licenses? I know NJ has changed around their DMV requirements so that you need more documentation to show proof of ID.

What can these illegals show? A Green Card? Nope. That's for legal immigrants. A picture from a Tijuana photo booth at the back of a bar? Mexican Passport? That they need to show a F-EIN doesn't mean a damn thing if there's no way to show that the person standing in front of the DMV is who they say they are.

This stuff borders on the criminally insane.

It passed the Senate too. Last night. It is waiting for Gov Davis' sig now. In response to the question about registering to vote, the proponents said it is not what the applicacnt is there for. They just want the license and won't sign up to vote or check the box. That would be perjury. that would be against the law.
But there is no way to prove one way or the other. No finger prints taken--that part was removed.

Aleksandr,

As am I!

How will this work, anyway? Don't they have to put down their permanent address to obtain the license? And if they do, can't we just go there, bust them and deport them?

There should be a standardized drivers license for all states in the US. They should not only have a standardized look and feel but the requirements to prove ones identity should be the same.

It wouldn't surprise me if the next thing Davis does is try to give illegal immigrants the right to vote, since he knows they'll vote Democrat. The same thing happens in India, in the province of Bengal. Millions of illegal Bangladeshi immigrants come accross every year, the the Communist Party (which runs the state) gives them voter IDs in exchange for their promise to vote Communist. Of course, all the illegals are Muslim, which means there is now a serious terrorism problem in the eastern part of India.

I'm a Democrat myself, but the way the party panders to illegal aliens sickens me. My parents had to work hard for years, as law-abiding, tax-paying residents, before they were eligible for the benefits of citizenship, and here we are rewarding people for sneaking across the border.

Please tell me this is a method to actually track down the illegal alians who are stupid enough to sign up for the drivers license.

If not, I don't get it. They are ILLEGAL immigrants!! Law Enforcement, i.e. Border Patrol, DEA, etc. has to be up in arms about this. How can they just give out licenses to people who are not here legally? What in the world is going on in California! How could anyone have even come up with this stupid idea? I am hoping that this is all an elaborate sting operation to nab the illegals who are stupid enough to be the first to sign up. I can't wait to see this on television, if and when this does happen.

Mexifornia Dreamin'

Re: #14

Sean, they're not kidding. By law, polling station workers are forbidden to ask for citizenship documentation. There are NO safeguard involved about preventing illegals from registering and voting. This is about getting votes, illegal or otherwise.

In the 2000 election, a couple of immigration assistance company were caught illegally registering illegals to vote in the election. With driver license, this will be a foregone conclusion.

I'm a naturalized citizen who went through the entire process. I despair at what the best politician money can buy is doing to this state of mine.

Huh, wait a second... does that law apply only to Mexicans, or can any illegal get a driver ID?

Stan LS: No, I imagine that the address information will not be available to INS the same way that undocumented illegal aliens can receive emergency and pregnancy-related MediCal (Medicaid in other states) and county indigent medical services without fear of being busted.

My concern now is how easily they can check re:citizenship for voting registration. On a whim, I just reregistered to vote online, since I've moved and just found out that I will be out of state on the day of the recall election. It reminds you that it's illegal to register to vote if you're not a citizen, but it doesn't require you to certify under penalty of perjury that you are a citizen. I hope they check very carefully, since when you go to the polls here they only ask for photo id, not even your voter registration card.

It's one of the reasons I believe we should have national identity cards here that indicate citizenship and residency status, and everyone should be fingerprinted. I know that libertarians' hair stands on end over things like that, but the more we legitimize illegal immigration, the easier it is for potential terrorists and other criminals to hide in plain sight.

And the BS about how this will make our roads safer is just that. Proof of insurance is required for the vehivle, not the driver, so licensing illegals does nothing to make sure they're carrying insurance. If they don't pass the test, they'll just continue driving without a license--it's not like they care about the law to begin with.

All it does is make their lives more convenient and remove incentives to be here legitimately.

Heston said it best (aboug California)

It's a madhouse... A MADHOUSE!!!

Once it becomes standard to issue driver's licenses to illegal immigrants simply for crossing the border, denying them citizenship simply for crossing the border will be seen a "racist" and "bigoted".

It's the classic slippery slope.

This is great for al qaeda. They can get a valid drivers license in CA, and then go anywhere in the US with it.

Two predictions of what will result from this:

1. Bustamante will lose in October. Even CA Democrats were awakened today.

2. The next 9/11-style terror attack in the US will be in California. They are rolling out the red carpet for all the stateside cells.

#21 freedomsound

My thought exactly. 6 million Arabs in France, half of them with French passports, do not need a visa to enter the U.S. Same thing for all E.U. countries...

Did you know that many illegal immigrants from Mexico are descendants of the indigenous people to California and then-Mexico, having been displaced in the various Mexican-American wars by the grand 'ol US of A, and therefore justify illegal immigration by saying it's a return to their land?

We have NAFTA. We will soon have FTAA. With borders open to commerce, and given the fact we've acquired most of our land through force, it only makes sense we open our borders to all Americans, and not just their money.

This is just sick and twisted. I have emailed political people all over the state. There is probably going to be a ballot initiative in the future that will overturn this. (This is California, what else would we do?). I want a law that states you have to prove legal residency to get ANY kind of license, permit (yes, even building or remodeling permits) or other document from the state. If people can't see the connection between illegals having official California ID, same-day voter registration, voting without showing ID, etc then they had better learn to speak Spanish quickly. This is also a national security issue since anyone with a state ID can rent a car or truck, open a bank account (to launder money), and all the rest. This is pandering beyond belief. That, and the crap about Prop 187 being against "immigrants" when it concerned illegal aliens is just Democrat Newspeak to coopt words and turn their meanings inside out. I am sick to death of it.

bugg

Did you know that many illegal immigrants from Mexico are descendants of the indigenous people to California and then-Mexico, having been displaced in the various Mexican-American wars by the grand 'ol US of A, and therefore justify illegal immigration by saying it's a return to their land?

And this is right? Why?

May I suggest you append a "y" to the end of your nik.

note to Mommydoc-- I work for San Francisco City and County. In SF you don't have to show an ID to vote. You don't have to show an ID or proof of address to register to vote in CITY HALL! Or you can claim to be "homeless" and vote in City Hall on election day. No ID, no address, no proof, nothing.

Bugg, I think you've confused this with the MECha website. Go tell someons there who cares.

Terrible for the People's Republic of Calif.
This will put the state on the slippery slope, with
groups like MECHA pushing for voting rights for illegal invaders!
It makes chumps out of all those that go through
the legitimate process of entering this country legally.

What's next - secession?

The Aztec Republic of California?

That giant sucking sound you hear is the sound of
hardworking people/businesses leaving the state.

I've lots of friends in California, many are on the
left side of the house. This reality check will hit them
only after it's too late.

Hasta La Vista Cali!

Those of you who comment on "What's next" will they ask for the right to vote?...Your right on...because California has whats called "motor voter"...Meaning based upon a drivers licence and simply checking a box on the application, the application will automatically be forwarded to the registar of voters. Guess what the registar uses to assure someone has the "right to vote"? You guessed it, a drivers licence...

This state is run by hippies, worse yet, anti american ones...at this rate soon we will be part of the 3rd world.

#27 scott in east bay

Interesting. Would you mind very much if Europe dumped about 20 million Arabs in SF?

scott--that's beyond disgusting. I think we need another ballot initiative for that.

#24 bugg

Did you know that many illegal immigrants from Mexico are descendants of the indigenous people to California and then-Mexico

When does the right of return end? Will all this end up with everyone claiming the right to the land in Africa where they dug up Lucy?

And please: let's not call them "illegal". It makes them sad.

Well... CA is not the leader in such stupid legislation. Tennessee did the same thing a ago under our last governor, Don Sundquist - R(INO).

It was passed under the same quise for making the roads safer, yet at the time the state was facing a fiscal crises (remember the income tax protests in Nashville?). Even today, there is no 'official' denying that the only reason it exists is for the money. They say they simply cannot afford to give up the additional funds it brings it.

There is an
effort to correct this bad legislation, but it is facing some tough resistance.

You'd think that in times of hieghtened national security, this wouldn't be a problem...(sigh)

#13 Anant:

It wouldn't surprise me if the next thing Davis does is try to give illegal immigrants the right to vote, since he knows they'll vote Democrat.

In New York City there actually was a proposal by the City Council to allow illlegal aliens to vote in city elections.

With all respects to my fellow LGFers who live in California, it sometimes seems as if you live in a giant lunatic asylum.

--Did you know that many illegal immigrants from Mexico are descendants of the indigenous people to California and then-Mexico, having been displaced in the various Mexican-American wars by the grand 'ol US of A, and therefore justify illegal immigration by saying it's a return to their land?--

Them's the breaks, buggsy.

Did you know the world's borders were formed that way?

In Oregon, you don't have to show any id at all to vote because people vote by mail rather than in person.

As to CA voting laws, I learned in 2000 that to verify ID is an "invasion of privacy."

11 Stan

Don't they have to put down their permanent address to obtain the license? And if they do, can't we just go there, bust them and deport them?

We can't do that, because that would be UNFAIR and HURT THEIR FEEELLLIIINNNGGGS.

McCLintock is going to split Arnold's votes, ushering Bustamente in. God help us.

We in CA need to get behind Tom McClintock. No other candidate will fight this but him, according to the Debates last night. And where is the Bush administration. How can the federal govt and John Ashcroft ignore this? The Fed needs to pull rank and invalidaate this.

Do other States have to accept a California driver's license? If they don't, we should start ticketing California drivers the minute they leave the state.

Bugg's reasoning is classic "Reconquista". It's the conquest of the southwest by sheer numbers in order to establish the fastasy land of "Aztlan".

So lie down and take it California, Texas, New Mexico. If you object to it, it only proves you're "racist."

This from the FAQs on the voter registration site:

Question: How can a person prove his or her citizenship?
Answer: California Elections Code § 2111 states, "A person may prove he or she is a citizen by his or her certification under penalty of perjury on the affidavit of registration (for voter registration purposes only)."

Exactly how does that prove anything? I can certify under penalty of perjury that I am Johnny Depp
(God forbid) but I haven't proven a damned thing beyond the fact that I have low aspirations and a tenuous grip on reality.

Arrrgggh!

/California
Hi, my name is Usama Bin Laden. I'm from Kabal, Mexico. I'll take 19 California drivers licenses please. - Usama

Here ya go. Enjoy your stay. - DMV clerk

It won't be long. - Usama

of course, it's fair to ask whose responsibility is it to fight illegal immigration, the state of california or the federal government's?

Who's responsibility is it to fight counterfeiting, or interstate kidnapping? Everyone's. Just because a law falls under federal jurisdiction doesn't mean the locals should turn their backs on it. And for whomever said Dem Davis alone isn't to blame, that's true. The racist Dem Lt. Governor also supports the policy, as does the Dem-controlled legislature. Really tough to spot the pattern here.

And of course, "motor voter" kicks in, thus illegals get to vote. Everyone should have been outraged a long time ago, when it was always Dems who stood in the way of anything requiring people to present ID to vote. And don't think for a minute this is a "Cali only" problem. Once there, many of these criminals choose to move to other states.

Additionally, it's past time to ditch the "born under the sun" option for citizenship. Travel isn't like it was 200+ years ago, in efficiency or magnitude. There was also no welfare mechanism in place. If you chose to get here and make it on your own, that showed a real commitment. Now all that has to be done is hop on a cargo ship, truck, or walk past a cut-apart chain-link fence, and drop out an infant. "Surely you wouldn't deport this American baby's mother! Might as well give her citizenship. And it would be harmful to deport her 'significant other.' He should get citizenship too. Oh, and their parents, they aren't doing so well, we should bring them in. And grandma's sister should be here too. And her ne'er-do-well son, and his..."

Well, at least VDH should get some good sales out of this.

A few of you seem worried that we in California are flirting with a slippery slope. No need. We have been racing down that slope for years. As soon as my kids graduate, my wife and I are outtahere!

My US immigration lawyer has made about $7,500 out of me these past 7 years.

He has the swankiest lobby you've ever seen.

I paid good money to settle here, Davis, you scum.

These illegals may finally get their legal California licenses. What I want to see is how many will fork over for automobile insurance. You could get even more illegal alien uninsured drivers because more will encouraged to drive. This will drive up your uninsured motorist coverage.

Also giving licenses to illegals is an invitation to identity theft. Since the documentation they will present at the California Department of Motor Vehicles will easily forged Mexican papers. More crime, confusion and more job opportunities for lawyers ... the lawyers in the state legislatures like it this way

The folks at VDARE must be flipping out right about now.

bugg,

are you referring to all those folks named Martinez and Cortez? cause you know the Spanish have been living in the Americas for thousands of years. oh wait. they haven't been? they were just usurper colonialists like everyone else in the americas?

Christ, this seems familiar, don't it? Just before an important election, the leading Dem starts pushing every legislation he can to shore up voter support. Does anything he can to tip the scale, even if it's technically illegal. The party belittles any challengers and paints it candidates like saints. And, if they lose the election, then it was all a vast right-wing conspiracy and they are really the winners.

Can one board a domestic flight in the U.S. with a driver ID? Or is a passport required?

42 Rock the Casbah writes:

Do other States have to accept a California driver's license?

Yes, they do.

U.S. Const. Art. IV. Sec. I:

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.

___

bugg has outed himself as a communist on other threads. He wants open borders for the U.S., naturally, but doubtful he recognizes that almost every communist country has a closed borders policy too - if you happen to live inside them.

53 Mr Pol:

Driver's License is enough.

#55 SoCalJustice

Interesting.

You know what it means, of course...

At least now they will have valid drivers lisences when they stage accidents for the insurance money.

If you haven't read Mexifornia, by the godlike Victor Davis Hanson yet, you should.

It's also time to dust off your old copy of Atlas Shrugged because that book is coming true in California.

600,000 members of California's productive class went "on strike" last year by abandoning the state, just as Rand foresaw. It's impossible now for me to read the absurd daily goings-on in the California legislature without scene after scene of that book rushing back. Nauseating.

There is probably going to be a ballot initiative in the future that will overturn this.

Uh, you know what happened when the voters of Cali democratically decided to stop providing services to illegals, right? The wonderful Cali courts said "you don't know what you want," and legislated that the initiative could not take effect.

#42 Rock the Casbah: I believe it's settled law that all states have to honor the decisions of other states (validity of marriages, contracts, drivers licenses, etc). I don't know if it would be illegal though for the neighboring states to wall off California, and police said wall with massive firepower.

Say hello to skyrocketing car insurance rates California!

hahaha! you guys are sooo screwed!

scott in east bay: This may be what's going on in SF, but I wouldn't presume to be an authority:

Election Rosters

Election rosters may be printed prior to the 15 day close of registration. California has a provisional voting process to handle voters whose eligibility to vote cannot be verified by a precinct worker.

If a voter's name does not appear on the election roster at his or her polling place location, the person will be required to show proof of current residence in order to receive a provisional ballot.

Ballots for such voters are placed in provisional ballot envelopes. Each provisional ballot is researched by election officials. A provisional ballot is not counted unless the Elections Official establishes from the records in their office the claimants' right to vote prior to the completion of the official canvass, or by order of the Superior Court in the county of the voter's residence

I also checked the San Francisco Department of Elections. This is from their website:

How and Where to Register

You may register by mailing a completed Voter Registration Form, to the Election office. Forms are available in person at public libraries, city and county offices, Department of Motor Vehicles offices, and at U.S. Post Offices, or via on-line download the California Secretary of State website online registration form . We recommend you use this service at least one month prior to election day to avoid missing your opportunity to vote due to postal delays. You may also call our office at (415) 554-4411 and we will mail a voter registration card to you.

You may register at any time, but to be eligible to vote in an upcoming election Voter Registration Form must be postmarked no later than 15 days before that election. The last day to register to vote for the November 4, 2003 election is Monday, October 20, 2003.

Once your registration form is received and processed, we will send you a Voter Notification Card within 3 to 4 weeks indicating that you are now a registered voter. If you are unsure about your voting status call the Elections Office directly at (415) 554-4375.

FWIW.

Where the hell is the "Dept of Homeland Security" on this one?!?

#41

Where is the Bush administration, you ask?

Busy hispandering their little hearts out, that's where.

The feds aren't about to pull rank--in fact, Bush is at the forefront of an effort to shove another illegal alien amnesty (excuse me, "regularization of the status of undocumented workers") down our collective throat. They're also pushing for an agreement that would allow Mexicans who have worked in the US--legal and illegal both--to cash in on our Social Security benefits. The euphemism for this treachery is "harmonization of benefits."

Wake up, people. When it comes to illegal immigration, we the citizenry have no representation on either side of the aisle. The Democrats support illegals because it plays to the kind of identity politics they profit from; the Republicans see a nice permanent underclass of cheap labor that allows large corporations to reap huge profits while the American taxpayer picks up the tab for the illegals' healthcare, schooling, and other social services.

Those of you in states where the problem has yet to become too profound (but it will, and soon) may find the idea of giving illegals driver's licenses and other benefits too outlandish to contemplate...but in states like CA, NY, TX, and FL, the only thing considered outlandish is that anyone could be so "meanspirited," "nativist," or "xenophobic" as to diagree with these proposals.

Check out some of the immigration reform websites and newsgroups. How insidious the problem has become--and how vociferously our politicians and press defend illegals--will soon become apparent.

56 Mr Pol:

You know what it means, of course...

Well, as Charles writes:

If this bill becomes law, the repercussions will be enormous.

Enormous repurcussions could include enormous explosions.

In answer to the question asked above, I have heard that a couple of states have announced that they will not honor a California Drivers License if this bill is passed.

What is ludicrous is this is portrayed as a "SAFETY ISSUE". Illegal aliens are now going en masse to get a legal license and buy insurance...after all, it is illegal to drive and not have insurance. They are very concerned about being legal...

Anyone who watches the local spanish TV stations or reads La Opinion will notice that these forms of media are repleat with tips on working the system. Since no one at the DMV checks citizenship when one completes the voter registration form and no one at voter registration takes those forms and compares them to citizenship records, anyone who thinks that an illegal alien cannot vote should buy this bridge I have for sale. Don't underestimate the radical element in the Hispanic community that will use this to secure votes.

Oh, I forgot to mention, that you need to provide minimal information in order to secure the drivers' license in the first place. One accepted item (I have heard) is the Matricular card - issued by the Mexican government and good all purpose use in California.

I wonder, what does the state of Washington do to accommodate the illegal Canadians? Do they get drivers' licenses too?

One last thought on this:

You can have a welfare state, or you can have open borders. But you cannot have both.

#64 SoCalJustice

Look at the bright side... California has found a way to turn Islamist terrorists from the Middle East into moderate Arab-American Muslims in less than a day.

#53 Mr Pol: Why would a passport be required for boarding a domestic flight? I'm probably missing something here. Or maybe you're thinking that when an "American citizen" who doesn't know a lick of English tries to get on a flight, all sorts of alarm bells should be going off. If so, you give us too much credit, sadly.

What would be interesting to see is if all Cali business owners, from diners to corporate giants, were to lash out. Shut down the businesses, fire everyone until sane policies are enacted. "Want your third-world welfare state? Have it, but not off our backs. We'll be happy to get back to work, as soon as we have safe, sane leadership and policies."

California is rapidly becoming an example of how the Dems are destroying what was once a booming, fiscally sound state. With nothing but Dems in control, CA will prove to everyone else in the country just how f*cked up the Democratic party is, what they stand for, their lack of morals, etc. etc. Thank heavens Republicans are now in control of the the government here in Texas. Whoever said it further up the thread that we can just watch the auto insurance costs skyrocket in CA is right on the money. Diluting the average driving ability of a state's drivers by allowing uneducated or poorly educated illegal drivers on the roads is a significant contributing factor to high auto insurance rates here in Texas and also already in CA. Watch this trend accelerate rapidly along with democrap's new additions to their free-riding illegal voter base. Let's just move the capital of CA to Mexico City and be done with it. We don't need no stinkin Sacramento.

This is sort of stupid, isn't it... Considering that a driver's license is all that you need to get the Migres off your back when they do a sweep at your workplace, this is roughly the equivalent of giving a green card (and then some) to every undocumented worker that can pass the driver's test. Unless, of course, the driver's license has in big, bold letters "Illegal Alien" on it. In which case, they're no longer an undocumented worker, just in the states illegally. So, if you have a driver's license, shouldn't you also have to pay taxes for the roads on which you're driving? Like everyone else with a driver's license? So, if you have someone's picture and their address. And their name. And they admit that they're in the country illegally... Either tax them or deport them.

wordwarp (#66) At least not for long, if you're going to survive to tell about it.

From the DMV:

[Link: www.dmv.ca.gov...]
[Link: www.dmv.ca.gov...]

They'd better damned well have to provide a thumbprint like the rest of us. And I'll be watching these pages like a hawk.

By the way, "bugg" is a hard-core, America-hating leftist, and possibly an Indymedia sysadmin. Here are the minutes of an IRC Indymedia meeting, where "bugg" shows up:

[Link: sarai.indymedia.org...]

#66 Wordwarp

You can have a welfare state, or you can have open borders. But you cannot have both.

So clear, so true. Why doesn't everybody understand this?

I think Anant (13) and Mike B ( was he in the Beastie Boys?) #30 have touched on the core of this.

Democrats know that illegal aliens, if they vote, will vote for the party that favors increased govt. spending. Former Republican Congressman Bob Dornan, who granted did have his boxers one size too small ( I saw him on C-Span late one night giving a speech about the Virgin Mary to an empty chamber), was almost certainly defeated by illegal immigrant voting. As Mexican-American citizens join the middle class and some start to deviate from the straight ticket Democrat line, the party needs a new source of voters, and they'll take them where they can get them.

To the MeChistas like Bustamante, this is a win/win. It is not a coincidence that Mexico is encouraging Mexicans in the USA, even US citizens, to vote in Mexican elections.

A more obvious fifth column can't be imagined.

I'm sure Bustamante doesn't want al Qaeda members getting easy access to California more than anybody else, but it is a risk he and his fellow Dems seem willing to take to win elections.

My in-laws here in Texas are Mexican-American, most vote Democratic almost as a reflex, although their values ( and sympathies to illegales, since my father-in-law and my wife's aunts & uncles were born in Mexico and came here legally) are closer to Republican values than Democrat values.

Model4

What would be interesting to see is if all Cali business owners, from diners to corporate giants, were to lash out. Shut down the businesses, fire everyone until sane policies are enacted. "Want your third-world welfare state? Have it, but not off our backs. We'll be happy to get back to work, as soon as we have safe, sane leadership and policies."

That is actually (sort of) the plot of Atlas Shrugged.

#68 Model4

Why would a passport be required for boarding a domestic flight? I'm probably missing something here.

Why would a reliable ID be required, you mean? Security. Driver licenses are not reliable. Hell, I have a valid Wyoming driver license, and it doesn't say I'm not a U.S. citizen.

Azlan is well on it's way to becoming a reality.

Just think. One year after SoCal becomes a part of Greater Mexico, (and Silcon Valley has long moved away) the BIG ONE hits. Yep, the San Adreas fault, the original California nightmare.

Oops. Maybe they should go after Maine.

Re #65

"I wonder, what does the state of Washington do to accommodate the illegal Canadians? Do they get drivers' licenses too?"

You're kidding right? Why would Canadians illegally enter Washington state? I can understand coming over legally for a job, but, why enter illegally when the social benefits are better in Canada? (health care, welfare,...)

#72 Charles,

Yep. True troll too. Only dropped in to spill his bile the once.

#77

Too late, the Somalis have dibs on Maine.

Hey, guess what. Did you know you guys are all racists?

Yup, a little troll told me so!

/sarc off

#53 Mr Pol

Can one board a domestic flight in the U.S. with a driver ID?

Bingo, this ain't looking good.

#75 wordwarp: Way cool ( I think). Gonna have to move that up on my "to read" list. Interestingly enough, Malkin's "Invasion" is currently on deck warming up. Time to buy "Mexifornia" too.

Why would Canadians illegally enter Washington state?

To thaw out?

Was this a riddle? ;-).

Greeeaaat...this makes my protracted attempts to obtain a Virginia driver's license--as a natural born US citizen--that much more pathetic. I could just move to CA and have done!

Let's see, even though I have a VALID DRIVER'S LICENSE FROM ANOTHER STATE IN THE UNION, I need FOUR OTHER PROOFS OF MY EXISTENCE. So far, I've learned that I cannot use a PHONE BILL to prove my address because that comes in a window envelope and we all know Verizon could collude with me to fake it. I cannot use a photo ID issued to me by a CITY GOVERNMENT--wait for it--A CITY IN THE U.S. even.

Gun licenses count though. How bout if I just bring in the f*ckin gun?

The DMV in VA can teabag it. If I were married to a member of the House of Saud I'd have been driving the very first day. And if I were a terrorist (which would be amusing, since I'm stone cold WASP), I'd probably have excellent fake documents, dontcha think?

Stupid bureaucrats.

#84 SoCalJustice

How many "former" Hamasniks entered Canada as "refugees" and are now Canadian citizens?

If we gave California to Mexico we would at least get their votes out of the electoral college and Congress. With the ways things are going we get the worst of both worlds.

As much as some Californians deserve to suffer from their stupidity it is not good for the US at all.

Oh well, in the words of my favorite Californian, Robinson Jeffers,

"It is useless to see the future and screech at it."

#41 andereaSF

We in CA need to get behind Tom McClintock. No other candidate will fight this but him, according to the Debates last night. And where is the Bush administration. How can the federal govt and John Ashcroft ignore this? The Fed needs to pull rank and invalidate this.

The Bush Admin is right there waiting for Davis to deliver the fatal blow to himself the moment he signs this POS legislation. From that moment, you can expect Justice to file the appropriate motion(s) to give this patently illegal act the deep-six ("metaphor alert", as Taranto would say, lol!). They are just waiting politely so as to not to deny us all the moment where Davis commits political harikari,

#74 The Rt. Rev. Dr. Imam Ed Moran

Former congressman B-1 Bob got a recount of that election result and, lo and behold, a large number of Loretta Sanchez's votes (about 20,000 IIRC) were by illegal immigrants. After the "questionable" votes were discounted she still won. By a whopping 20 votes. (Of course, a lot of Dornan votes were dumped, just to be PC). Congresswoman Sanchez is considered to be a rising star in the Democratic Party and is as whacked as a former Georgia congresswoman we're all familiar with, McKinney I think her name is.

Why would Canadians illegally enter Washington state?

Golly, I dunno...

Why would a bunch of Arabs illegally overstay their visas and illegally obtain VA driver's licenses?

Oh, right...

Can't Ahhhnold just repudiate this bill once he gets elected?

C'mon, Charles.

The reality is that these people are here, and they are driving cars.

Unless you're advocating them being rounded up and deported, which is a whole other issue, wouldn't you rather see them checked out by a driver's test?

It also increases the chances they'll carry insurance upwards from zero.

That Davis is execrable may be true, but even a stopped clock . . .

Four questions.

How do we keep California from becoming the Balkans in another 10 years? How do we keep it from becoming a bottomless pit for Federal tax dollars as talent and business continue to leave? How do we force the Mexican elite to solve their national problems? How do we fight the war on terror at the same time?

Am I the only one of the opinion that Arnold is helping the Dems more than he is hindering them?

I think he'd do California a whole lot more good by quitting his campaign and throwing his endorsement to McClintock or Ueberoth (Sp?). Until then, he's practically handing the gubernatorial race to "down with whitey" Bustamonte.

Fred from AL, Spunky from MD is with you 100%. Let 'em secede... Or at least split into two states. You would have Old California, consisting of the central valley to the sierras and up through Humboldt county. Then you would have Pacifica... The Bay Area and the coast Down to the border.

This state is run by hippies, worse yet, anti american ones...at this rate soon we will be part of the 3rd world.

Let's see... third world... small super-wealthy elite, enormous impoverished ignorant underclass, middle class gone, one-party government, crumbling infrastructure ... sounds like Cali is well on its way.

#41 andreaSF

Tom McClintock is the candidate I'd prefer to win, but he's just too obscure. Interestingly, he was trying to get the word out before the last election that Davis was cooking the books, Enron style, but no one in the press paid any attention.

#88 sharona

you can expect Justice to file the appropriate motion(s) to give this patently illegal act the deep-six

Sadly, I don't think the Feds have any jurisdiction in this case. It's State driver licenses after all. As DocB pointed out in #35, Tennessee did the same thing and no Fed action.

Unless you're advocating them being rounded up and deported

Works for me.

#92 Maine's Michael

You are partly right. The problem is that the driver license is also used as ID. So this opens a huge security hole.

Ill state this again, the democratic socialist party of the United States (DNC) will sacrifice the safety and integrity of our country to control the government. Gaining power is thier only objective and if it means screwing over legitimate citizens to do so, then so be it.

Let me point out a few things.

-illegals can now gain access to drivers licenses in california (or will soon)

-one of the portions of NAFTA that special interest is trying to implement is allowing Mexican truckers to roam American roads freely.

The two items go hand in hand with each other.

- What of American truck drivers and trucking companies?
they'll drive the wage down into the pits just like they did with the construction and service industries.

-what of the safety of Americans in regards to mexican drivers and equipment that is sub standard with what the US DOT has in place?

-what of the drug smuggling efforts?

-what of the War on Terror and controlling our borders, especially the porous border with Central America?

-who is going to pay for the added BATF, DEA, FBI, Border Patrol and local law enforcement efforts that are going to be put in place to try and control these vehicles?

-might i point out as well that in some states a drivers license number is the same as your social security number, the number that lends you legitimacy in the workings of our government.

#24 bugg:
NAFTA is a gutshot to America and the FTAA is even worse, do your research before you make your statements.

And Gordon, dont even try and argue this again, I know you like to act like you have some Economics skills but Ive spanked your ass on it already.

#49

It is illegal to drive in California without car insurance. But then when you're breaking a federal law just by being here, what's a piddling little state law mean.

If a police officer pulls you over for anything the first thing they ask for is drivers licence, registration and proof of insurance. If you hand him those three things, and discover that the insurnace card expired two days ago and the new ones are laying on your kitchen counter, you can expect a $1000 fine to be added onto whatever ticket you are getting.

In my case I was stopped by an officer who was just giving me a friendly warning that my left rear brake light wasn't working (it's an old truck). So this friendly officer ended giving me a fix-it notice for the light and a $1000 fine for driving without insurance.

Of course you can take your proof of insurance down to the court house, wait in line 3 hours, and show them that you really were insured at the time of the ticket and they will waive the $1000 fine, but not the $70 dollar court paperwork fee that you have to pay.

We live in a state with a democratic governor, lt. governor, a democratic controlled senate, and house, and democratic US senators, and a majority of the US reps are also dems.

This great experiment of letting democrats run things has failed miserably. Take note people. These same people who have destroyed this state are the same ilk who want to run the entire United States.

Our state income tax forms are longer and more complcated than the federal 1040 form. The state heros are play actors who spend their lives pretending to be someone else because they couldn't get real jobs.

These same play actors who are living off the hard earned dollars of the working people of America can't wait to get out of the country so they can bad mouth our President, our Nation, or the very people who pay their salaries. They don't have the guts to say those things while on American soil, where we could personally express our displeasure by walking out on them, or tearing them limb from limb.

We have over 1 million federal criminals wandering our streets, being educated in our public schools, and receiving state welfare and medical aid. All of which was voted by the citizens in this state to be against the law, but overturned by one man who apparently knows more than the 3 million of us who voted for prop 187, because he wears a black robe to work. But the hard working, tax paying, common man in the state isn't allowed to complain about it because we'd be proving ourselves to be racist.

So if things are so bad here, why do I stay? My job is here, for the time being. I couldn't get a job doing the things I do for the salary I make anywhere else. My kids like the private school they are in (that's why I drive an old truck). My wife was born and raised here, this is here home, she likes it here, even though the politics get to her also.

Finally if we left that would be two less votes each election for trying to take back our state from the left wing whackos who are running it into the ground.

Granted, the origins of this law are the usual lefty mushy feelgood "oh, let's treat everyone as equal" spot that makes liberals feel all warm and fuzzy... and have the usual disastrous consequences for society at large, especially the working class.

I agree that illegal immigrants should be treated equally... equally to anyone else who breaks the law. Illegal immigration is a trend that can not be tamed by half measures when you have a third world country butt-up against a first world one. But as long as the multi-culti left owns the democrats, and as long as both parties are to well paid off to smackdown the agriculture, hospitality, construction and sweatshop businesses that love that sweet brown cheap labor pool... nothing will be done.

#93 skookumchuk,

How do we force the Mexican elite to solve their national problems?

that's another of the LLL battlecries that i don't get. the us isn't supposed to tell other countries what to do but we have to take in the poor and down-trodden from these countries messed up systems.

the us is just another ho-hum system in the rainbow of multiculti diversity, but when it comes to refugees and illegals, well they deserve a chance at a better life in the us!

People need to realize that the Democrat party today is not the Hubert H Humphrey/Harry S. Truman version it was thirty years ago. The most radical of the anti-war leaders, the ones who deep down feel a disgust and hatred for America control this country.

I wish I had seen it. My boss was telling me about some Dem official from California on the air with Hannity & Colmes to bash Arnold, who proudly proclaimed he was a MeChista in college, but refused to answer whether he agreed with the famous "Por La Raza..." slogan, and instead launched some speech about not letting Sean Hannity call him a racist.

From a national defense point of view, it'll be hard replacing San Diego as a naval port, but California is approaching the point of being a necritic limb that needs to be amputated.

What will probably happen, though, is we'll wind up with a Puerto Rico Occidental that despises the US, but will never vote for independence because they'd lose their welfare checks. ( The last part from a National Geographic story ( March 2003) where it was admitted that bars close on election day because if the people voted the way they feel, they'd vote for independence and then they'd lose their welfare checks ( the majority of the population of PR receives federal assistance).

I am sure that all Americans, and particularly American Californians, and especially American California Democrats are especially proud to welcome the new legal drivers and motor voters to the promised land. It is heartwarming to know that these illegals can now legally purchase insurance with their proof of a legal drivers licence and legally drive around the USA in search of Azatlan. Thank you Grey Davis and thanks to the Democrat controlled legislature of California for bestowing this gift of liberal compassion on the citizens of the United States of America. I will always remember the Hawaiian good luck sign that my wife flashed through the open sunroof as we crossed the California state line and immigrated back to the states.

New flag...

86 Mr Pol:

Ahmed Ressam

This rule just reinforces my feelings that the western democracies are hell bent to commit suicide. In the menatime welcome to Mexifornia.

Is there not a way to test and certify that people can drive and not issue state I.D.'s at the same time?

Maybe issue a driving certificate with a fingerprint only- no name or address or SS number. Have police have readers to compare certificate to drivers finger, etc... Certificate can only be used to prove ability to drive, not as I.D.

Really, the only people who need to know if a driver is driving legally are the police, and the insurance companies.

Just exactly why a driver's license has also always been the official form of State I.D. has always perplexed me.

Shrewd move for the Dems. They passed this thing early enough to get illegals voting for Davis, but too late for them to get into the race.

Hey, has anyone checked Bustamente's papers?

#95 Spunky

There's already a place like that, right in the neighborhood. Mexico.

This is getting surreal. They might as well put neon signs along the border fence saying "Free Stuff! Enter here!"

No, wait. Let's move the welfare offices to Tijuana. Wouldn't want these undocumented aliens criminals to get sore feet.

I'll have to ask my uncle how this makes him feel. He's a (legal) Permanent Resident from Mexico City who followed all the rules, but has yet to get his citizenship after 15+ years.

Goodbye San Diego, Hello anywhere else...

Wild Justice (#48)

My US immigration lawyer has made about $7,500 out of me these past 7 years.

That's all!? You got off easy. Trust me.

#108 Clare

Interesting question. California issues a state ID card that is identical to a driver's license, except it doesn't authorize driving. Will the DMV trolls be passing those out to illegals??

@64 SoCalJustice

We are being taken down from the interior. We are watching the people we have voted for commit treason.
By allowing the millions of illegals to not only enter the country, we're seeing all kinds of appeasement to keep them here. It's all about the power and the money.
We need a grass roots movement, wearing steel toed boots to kick some political asses.
As we don't know who all of these illegals are, the majority are uneducated, illerate and unemployable in most cases, so the taxpayer is expected to carry them for the rest of their lives. But the worrisome ones are the ones who are here with intent to destroy our country and our people.
This could also be a ploy to find ourselves under martial law, losing all of our personal freedoms because of the 'problem' of the illegals and rounding them up.

I have lived in the US, off and on, for over 30 years, but this kind of thing still seems very bizarre to me.
My own country of Brazil has quite restrictive immigration laws, even though it is scarcely a paradise of social service generosity or economic opportunity.
Illegals from Colombia, Paraguay, etc. are regularly rounded up (usually at gunpoint), herded onto C-130s of the Brazilian Air Force, and unceremoniously dumped at the nearest airfield on the other side of the border. Hardly anyone says a word about it.

Charles - tell me LGF meeting aren't anything like that log, Geeez Marie.

#115

Brazil is allowed to preserve its sovereignity. The United States is not. We are, after all, a nation of immigrants!

[/sarcasm off]

Re #115

"Illegals from Colombia, Paraguay, etc. are regularly rounded up (usually at gunpoint), herded onto C-130s of the Brazilian Air Force, and unceremoniously dumped at the nearest airfield"

That's hilarious, and probably the best way of dealing with illegal immigrants. It will never happen in the U.S though, legal mexican/spanish american immigrants have too much power and would never vote for a party proposing this solution. Thus, because of the two party system no-one is willing to take on the illegals.

BOOO!

HISSS!

BOOO!

This is a slap in the face of every immigrant that came here legally. They worked hard to become American citizens the right way and the illegals are getting a free pass. Economically its a nightmare here in California. The benifits they recieve from social services far exceed their actual worth to the community..as many work for cash and dont pay taxes and alot of the money is sent back to Mexico to support families that havent made the "rite of passage" across the border through the desert. My 16 year old son couldnt even get a summer job at a fast food resturant..there are 50 year old "immigrants" that cant even speak english manning the drive through. It is their "career". All of the minimum wage jobs that used to be there for American kids to get experience in the job market are now taken by illegal immigrants working with fake ids. There is a house in my neighborhood that has at least 30 men living there..not one of them speaks english. I believe they are landscapers from all the junked out pickup trucks parked the entire block loaded with cut greenery. Ive been told that most of them are supporting families on non- taxed, under the table cash wages back home in Mexico. I cant even go for a walk in the beautiful canyon near my home for fear of the "immigrants camp" I used to walk there with my dog every day till the camp moved in. Now its just plain scary. The police will not do anything about it because they will just "move someplace else". Ranting? GRRR ok, Im done ranting..ok ok, deep breaths..Ill be ok. Well, we do have nice weather here in San Diego...so it's not all bad.

#115 Portuguese speaking Brazil is indeed a nation of immigrants.

On an unrelated note, 220 km.hr winds possible in Bermuda tomorrow with Hurricane Fabian.

BTW, VFI, Colt.
You will not escape the wrath of the North Atlantic Tropical Cyclones. In 5 days, the UKMET model from Bracknell shows Fabian as a sub 980 mb monster with Hurricane force winds making the transition from a tropical to polar storm as it approaches the UK. Next Tuesday and Wednesday should see flooding rains, hurricane force winds along the coast, and possible even tornadoes moving into the UK/Ireland, and thence into France and the Benelux xountries..

To Mark, the flag is perfect!

I, too, am a CA native. I, too, am sick to death of the pathological dysfunctional government that we have here. Leaving, for me, is not an option. I have a good job, I am well paid, and I just plain love this place. However, I am now a registered Republican, and I will do everything I can to change the system here. Because of our initiative system, we have a lot of power. To those who complain about a judge suspending Prop 187, the reason it has not been implemented is that the Democratic governor-thing now is office refused to have the state attorney general file an appeal. A future governor will. There is one section of it that states that illegal alien children are not eligible for school. That has been ruled illegal by the US Supreme Court. But there is no federal requirement to provide welfare to illegals, in fact it is specifically forbidden. All the other parts of it will probably stand up on appeal. I know the feds are very little to control the border, but there is nothing stopping a future governor from putting the state national guard down there. They could be put a couple of miles from the border so they don't interfere with the feds. For that matter, the state could build a wall along the border on state land that the feds could do nothing about. I am also in favor of deporting all Mexican prisoners to their home country. I don't give a damn if they serve the sentence there or not; just literally dump them at Mexican customs and be done with it. Why are we keeping them in jail at enormous cost to just deport them upon release?

I guess that when they get their driver's licences they can also register to vote according to the motor-voter program.

Remember we(Mexifornia) print ballots in SEVEN languages...I need to self-medicate

The ideal solution is to set up INS checkpoints in the parking lots of every DMV office in the state, though a more satisfying solution would be to hang Davis, Bustamante, and everybody who voted for this bill for treason. The ninth circuit courto f appeals can hang for treason too. Illegal entry into the country needs to be punishable by death. If you've got a good reason for being here you can apply for political asylum, but for our safety you can stay in an INS detainment facility until we've decided what to do with you.

Conservative California Republican

#123, scott in eastbay. In spite of the support that the teachers unions have given the party of Jefferson in the state of California, it is the union of the prison guards that has real symbiosis with the Gov. I think the state of Califonia's spending on prisons has exceeded spending on schools for several years now. Besides you wouldn't want to see all those newly licensed drivers deported after they they serve their sentences for mistaking a 711 for an ATM would you. Keep prison guards off food stamps, support illegal imigration.

Curiosity makes me ask.

These illegal aliens, who apply for a drivers license, are the forms in only english? Or have the dimotreasonnazis manipulated that too? What of the illegals who are illerate? Even if they some how cheat their way into possession of a drivers license, if they can't read road signs, safety alerts or maps, how does that make them safe drivers?
It doesn't, it just makes them possible voters for more of the same.
What's so sad. With the ill prepared who are flowing into this country are only bringing the nightmare they are fleeing from with them. They will only cause this country to become what they are trying to escape.

Illegal entry into the country needs to be punishable by death.

You just made Ann Coulter look like Hillary.

#129 SoCalJustice:

NEVER scare me like that again.

130 Targetpractice:

Should I have said

You just made Rush Limbaugh look like Barbara Streisand

instead?

This Mecha thing...I just dont don't get it. They came to America to get escape from poverty and a corrupted Mexican government only to take back the southwest states and re-claim them for Mexico? Won't this make this new Aztlan just like Mexico with all of its corruption and poverty?

With all the new illegals that could be voting in the national elections, I am glad we have an electoral college rather than a popular vote.

Just curious...What does the "PST" stand for under some of our nicknames?

#134, PI. You really dont want to know. The secret will never be revealed publicy, only deceptive answers will be revealed here.

@132 paganinfidel

Yep, that's what they want. Didn't you know? Misery loves company. The more the merrier.
It all boils down to the hatred so many have against this country. We're far from perfect, but we're the best thing going on the planet.
They hate us, because we scare the hell out of them. They want us to be like them, without hope, without joy or freedom. Down in the hell pits they all live in.
What I don't understand [and never will] is why they don't want better instead of a life of sad sick dark tunnel existance.
I'm for doing what Brasil does, round 'em up and deport to the nearest over the border flat landing place you can dump them from cargo planes.

#134 paganinfidel,

What does the "PST" stand for under some of our nicknames?

It's a secret code transliterated from Lizardese.

Admittedly I didn't read Mexifornia... I can see how illegal immigration can impair California policy, and yet I want to put in a good word for Mexican Americans.

While groups like Mecha should arouse attention and condemnation, they are not representative of the very people they are trying to represent. According to a recent Atlantic essay Mexican Americans are more likely to intermarry then any other ethnic group in the US. By this standard alone, they are more likely to assimilate then any other group. I doubt that both legal and/or illegal imimgrants from Mexico come here to start a revolution. While it's true that the rate of anti-Semitism among the foreign born Latinos is very high, apparently their American-born children do not share their prejudice.

If anything, I would put the blame for proliferation of radical ideas in Latino community on our system of higher education. And education in general. BTW was the Nation of Atzlan founded in the 60s?

Pacific Standard Time.

The reason MEChA wants California and Texas back is that the gringos stole the good part of Mexico, the part with the shopping malls and indoor sports stadiums and well built highways.

Oh no, did I divulge one of the secrets of the Elders?

#123 Scott

As long as the border remains open, deporting dangerous Mexican prisoners to be held in Mexican jails is useless. It's very common for violent criminals to be let out in advance of the end of their actual sentences after only a couple years served. You might as well release them on American streets, because they will be back ASAP. Once a lowlife criminal finds out how easy the pickings are in the US, there's no getting them to stay in Mexico.

Various examples here...

[Link: www.immigrationshumancost.org...]

On another matter, here's the written transcript of Sean Hannity confronting Becerra on his MEChA apologies.

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

damn, the secrets out now, change the secret code to "EST" forthwith!

#140 Estimado Dr. Ed Moran, S.A de C.V. ,

Oh no, did I divulge one of the secrets of the Elders?

Indeed you did. And, according to the ultra-orthodox-extremist-green hattery-holier-than-thou-right wing archaic laws of the Elders of Lizard, you will now be get stoned.

The same fate that befell Dylan when he changed his name from Zimmerman?

Mexicans fleeing the crushing poverty of their homeland of Mexico to find sanctuary and opportunity in their,uh...well i guess according to MeCha, their homeland of California. Meanwhile any sane person who can still afford a car in California is racing for Nevada faster than you can say "!La migra!". I swear people I live in Texas (HUGE Hispanic population) and its not the Mexicans that are the problem. It's the Californians.

Pacific Standard Time

How do you get a lined out word?

I'd love to be able to send snarky emails with lined out insults to people.

Every immigrant who entered the US legally, and went through the complicated bureaucracy to get legitimate citizenship, should be outraged at this blatant pandering by the execrable Gray Davis.

I heard on AFN this afternoon coming home from work that The Governator was furious about this because it took him TEN YEARS to finally become an American citizen and to have all the rights and privileges pertaining thereunto.

I also heard in the same story that Davis vetoed this same bill three or four times previously when it came across his desk to sign.

Can anyone else confirm or deny this?

Ed, the HTML tag is strike and /strike inside the arrowhead parens, just like other HTML markup.

To whomever asked about the test and application being given in Spanish, yes, it is available in Spanish, and, I believe, some other languages such as Vietnamese and Chinese.

So is the voter registration application. I can understand making the voter information pamphlets in other languages, since some of the concepts are complicated, but if one can't even fill out a basic form in English, how the hell does one get citizenship? Basic English language skills used to be required, along with a citizenship class. When was that requirement dropped?

someguy: All true.

#121 Snopes

Did you mean to respond to me (#115) or to Andy (#116)?

For centuries, the remoteness of the border regions tended to isolate Brazilian society from its Spanish speaking neighbors. Recent developments have eroded this isolation.
As a result , the preservation of national identity has assumed great significance. This has led to some hostility toward Spanish-speaking immigrants.
The involvement of illegal immigrants in illegal economic exploitation, especially gold-mining, is another factor; as is the spillover from the Andean narcotics trade.
There is an additional economic factor in this. To put it bluntly, we can barely feed our own. Impoverished immigrants from the Andean regions are a burden that Brazil can ill afford.
The recent influx of Muslim immigrants is another cause of controversy. As in the United States, this has created a situation that alarms many Brazilians. Some believe that the government is "asleep at the switch" on this issue; mesmerized by Arab petro-dollars and setting the stage for our own 9-11 (if not worse).

Finally, lest any lurkers from Indymedia get the wrong idea, I should have emphasized that the FAB planes actually land and come to a full stop before the deported ones are forced out.

My nephew just married a Mexican national from Tampico. She wasn't really interested in immigrating until she met my nephew while she was in business school. Her mother has her own business in Tampico and Laura had planned on using her new skills expanding that business. But she came in the country legally. She doesn't know how to drive, so doesn't have a license. So I am not so skeptical of her and her intent.

Remember we(Mexifornia) print ballots in SEVEN languages...I need to self-medicate

oh boy, you guys are up a creek without a paddle.

But that's ok, just raise more taxes, put more regulations on your companies, let men wear dresses to work, give licenses to illegals, and that should fix it right quick!

A Berkeley professor with some sense.

Mexicans in Texas are cool. Mi suegro es de Tamaulipas. I like the cool accordion music. Get me drinking a margarita or a few Miller Lites and I'll be singing El Rey de la Acordion's Exitos Grandes :
"Yo voy a buscar,
un rinconcito en el cielo,
para llevar a mi amor"

My wife's cousins, they can party. Menudo, it sounds disgusting, but on a cold 40F (4C) day in Houston, a hot bowl of pozole or menudo is the ticket. Swinging parties.
The woman, they are hot. My wife is magazine material.

Stopping by the carniceria after Mass for some barbacoa and carnitas. Vuelve a vida, I think its called, a refreshing cocktail of pulpo and camarones. Pollo y fideo. Caldo de Rez

Family values out the ying. We do weddings/quinceneras/cumpleanos for second cousins. It made it a challenge getting the wedding invitations organized when my wife has about 60 first and second cousins, and about 15 tios and tias.

There is hope for the Mexican-Americans of Texas. In the last gubernatorial election GWB ran in, he took El Paso county, where Hispanics are 70% of the population.

My son is going to break hearts. He has the classic Latin lover looks already. Mija es huera, blonde hair and blue eyes. I keep telling my wife come scholarship time we'll wish we had picked a more ethnic name for her, but I expect she'll be going to UT on full scholarship anyway ( I'm hoping my son, who is 17 years away from his redshirt freshman year) can help the squad out by turning down a football scholarship so they can give it to a deserving walk-on because he already has a debating scholarship.

I really need to get back to work, but I do like to think about the happy time when my son finally hangs up the cleats for the Dallas Cowboys and runs for Senator.

154 mommydoc:

That's a different Berkeley.

He's at Berkeley College, not University of California at [___].

We're still waiting for the Berkeley professor with sense. ;-)

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I really need to get back to work, but I do like to think about the happy time when my son finally hangs up the cleats for the Dallas Cowboys and runs for Senator.

I was kinda hoping you'd feed him tortas grandes so he could one day bolster the Houston Texans atrocious offensive line.

I think the problem here is that California, like some other parts of the country, has had a "don't ask, don't tell" policy regarding illegal immigration for quite a while, in the name of taking advantage of the cheap labor. They'll try their best to stop you at the border, but once you're in, they don't make much of an effort to get rid of you, as they fear the economic effects of mass deportations.

Obviously, post-9/11, this arrangement is more problematic than ever. But I think the issue can't be properly debated unless economic matters are taken into account. If we're going to make a concentrated effort to kick out the illegals, we should also quotas for visas and legal immigration so that regional economies aren't faced with a dearth of labor as a result.

Bustamante co authored the Energy deregulation bill AB1890. Both houses of the California legislature voted in favor unanimously. The Legislature threatened former Gov. Pete Wilson with holding up the state budget and then overriding his veto if he didn't sign it.

Recently some Dem. assemblymen were conversing with an open mic picking up what they were saying. They said "what crisis can we cause today?" and other things along that line.

Bustamonte called a spade a spade at a meeting of a negro union association he was giving a speech for. Then we find out he was a member of a radical Latino separatist org. that has as its main phlosophy the "liberation of California from the European invaders".
THe Sacramento Bee writes exactly two paragraphs saying M.E.C.h.A. is just a student advocacy group and nothing to worry about. Yesterday some of those students that we don't need to worry about egged Arnold Schwarzeneggar and yelled protests during his speech.

Bustamante wants to have the state take over Gas and regulate prices at the pumps.

Why would a Democrat coauthor a bill to de regulate a utility?

At any rate we should be recalling every body who signed or voted yes to deregulation. Strangely enough that doesn't include Gray Davis.

At the earliest possible convenience the incumbant - any incumbant in California needs to be ridden out of the state on a rail.

@151 tony sousa

I have a good friend that lives in Brasil, she's very fearful of what is going to happen next in her country.
What about all of the street children nightmare you have going on too?
The outfall of islam is going to end up being global. Is it going to be like the reaction of dominos falling or sporadic as different countries finally 'wake up'.

My boss has season tickets the the Texans. he gave me tickets to the Bills game. Beer was like $6 a bottle, and I ordered my first beer outside before kickoff, near the Budweiser entrance ( as compared to the Gallery Furniture entrance) and I needed to but food, it wasn't noon, and I spent like $4 for a bag of peanuts.

As long as Edward Miguel plays where I can drive to see him on a two day weekend, I'll be happy.

If he plays out of state, he'd better get a bih enough signing bonus to afford a charter jet to take me to the games.

Of course, we'll need to get him potty trained first.

I'm thinking mija might be the first Hispanic female POTUS

#157 Ed Moran

Try this...without the quotes

"test"

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Regarding #163...

I'm an idiot...thought it might work. Ed...you left out the "". Sorry!

#151 Tony Sousa - Sorry. Meant to say #117.

I give up...

Correct me if I am wrong but, did not Gray take an oath to uphold the laws of the State of California and the Constitution of the United States?

Does CA have a law that null and voids the INS, that I am not aware of. Because if not, then obviously he broke his oath to uphold laws...therefore he should be impeached, recalled and plain just kicked out for failure to execute his oath of office and failure to protect the US citizen and his quality of life by burdening him with financial burdens that belong to the Mexican government and the Mexican people.

Who the hell does Gray think he is? Some annointed princeling? He works and is employed by the PEOPLE of the State of CA...I hope you guys let him know.

He is employed by you and your tax$$$ not a few special interest groups. Let him know.

is there a list of HTML tags somewhere?

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"Why is he (Cruz) willing to put the state at risk, the country at risk, the electorate at risk? It's his last grasp at keeping the governorship," said Assemblyman Dennis Mountjoy, R-Monrovia, who claimed the bill would "open the road" to a movement to reclaim parts of the southwestern United States for Mexico.

hellooo

isn't that the agenda of MECha?

the "one race" slogan he would not deny?

This one seems to have hit a nerve.

About voting: In CA, all you need is a driver's license. I'm stunned, but not really surprised, that in San Francisco, all you have to be is alive. I'm sure they're working on that.

The rest of us, when we get driver's licenses, have to give a Social Security Number, which they check against the SSA list. Doubtless, in order to save time, they'll do away with that requirement for Hispanic applicants.

Big L said: "They just want the license and won't sign up to vote or check the box. That would be perjury. that would be against the law."

They're already lawbreakers: "illegal immigrants". They're not likely to worry about a few other technicalities.

Insurance? There are companies that sell auto insurance by the month. You get a 30-day policy, get your license, then let the policy lapse. It's the way a lot of poor people here work the system.

AndreasSF said: "From that moment, you can expect Justice to file the appropriate motion(s) to give this patently illegal act the deep-six...". I don't think they'll do that. It may fall under the part of the Constitution that says that whatever powers aren't reserved to the Feds, are left to the States. (On the other hand, the Feds struck down our medical-marijuana initiative, so maybe there's a hope.)

Tony Sousa said: "Illegals from Colombia, Paraguay, etc. are regularly rounded up (usually at gunpoint), herded onto C-130s of the Brazilian Air Force, and unceremoniously dumped at the nearest airfield ."

Do they land first?

if one can't even fill out a basic form in English, how the hell does one get citizenship? Basic English language skills used to be required, along with a citizenship class. When was that requirement dropped?

Don't even get me started on this.

Um, the "< followed by strike "test" followed by /strike followed by > gave me an empty post.

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when the curly brackets are replaced with angle brackets, the above should look like this:

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Sometimes, I think realistically, between the low caucasian birthrate and the tidal wave of latino immigration, the USA will become a Latin American country as surely as EUtopia will become an Islamic caliphate.

Given that, perhaps we should take a longview and start thinking of ways to educate and bring latinos into our culture... so that when we hand the keys over to them, they don't screw up the American experiment.

Sometimes, I think the idea of America was just a brief bright spot in human history, and its inevitable conclusion will be a return to Dark Ages, as when Rome fell. In a century or so, the dominant political power on Earth will probably be Chinese Authoritarianism.

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Yay, Ed! ;-)

"whoo-hooo

After nine years, Apu completed his thesis, a series of punch cards
comprising the world's first tic-tac-toe program. To pay off his
loans, he worked in the Kwik-E-Mart and decided to stay once his visa
had expired.

What you're saying is so understandable. And really, your only crime
was violating U.S. law.
-- Marge to Apu, "Much Apu About Nothing"

[Link: shrike.depaul.edu...]

lol at Ed

Ed, have you ever considered the preview button for your tests? Anyway, it's not that hard. Just look under "add a comment" above the comment box. It shows you how to put HTML tags around a word. Just pattern match, using the word "strike" instead of the "i" or "b". I'm not being condescending. I didn't know how to use them before I came to this site, and I figured it out from that example that Charles so kindly gave us. The link commands were more of a challenge before Charles put in the feature where he does it for us.

papertiger, HTML codes here, here and here.

Bustamonte and every other incumbent

I don't think it is all gloom and doom when Hispanics become the majority. They are not a monolithic culture, and from what I can tell, at least judging from my in-laws and neighbors, very hardworking and ambitious. Of course, one of my Mexican immigrant neighbors is originally from California, and then moved here. Since Texas doesn't give welfare away quite the same way California does, it could be the willing to work Mexicans come here, and the handout seekers go to California. I remember a few years ago California considered a lower welfare rate for new arrivals from other states that matched their original states benefits, to discourage people from moving there for the express purpose of receiving a higher benefit. I suspect some Jerry Brown appointee shot that one down. So, if I am an illegal, and I just want a state with high benefits, I'd go to California.

On the other hand, watching the nightly news here in HOU would suggest the immigrant Mexican population is responsible for more than their fair share of the cities homicides.

Never mind, Ed, I guess you got it while I was composing. Good for you.

Ed Moran, you're hysterical!

Being a half german/half swedish gringo from Fargo with an hispanic wife from and living in Houston, I can safely say that I have a sincere understanding of Texas/Mexican culture. Every one of my in-laws are democrats (especially the queer brother-in-law). None of them has enough grey matter between their ears to come to the realization that the tripe (or should we say menudo) that their dearly beloved political party feeds them daily is all lies from the lying lyers. If enough of them actually work for themselves and pay quarterly taxes, some of them sooner or later start to wise up and realize the error of their ways. On the other hand, it's a long haul to sensiblity.

On another note, my 17 yr old hard core republican, blonde, brown eyed, half mexican, quarter german, quarter swedish, handsome public school senior football player constantly tests the patience of all of the liberal teachers at his HISD high school. He loves his government class where he can put liberals in their place. He also loves the Texans and understands that they are gonna get creamed by Miami on Sunday. He is also on the debate team testing the liberals patience there as well.

An an additional note, I love mexican, south and central american food, but I despise menudo. Yeecchhh! My idea of a great cold day caldo is Caldo De Mariscos at La Mexicana. When I have eaten so called mexican food in Mexifornia, I was sorely dissappointed. And I am not comparing it to Tex-Mex cousine. Also I have yet to meet a Mexican that can make better fajitas than I do. Best Barbacoa tacos in town are from Guadalajara Bakery on Washington Avenue.

Now if we can just get a republican hispanic mayor to replace Out-of-Town Brown.

#153 Neo Con

Au contraire, amigo, California communities print multilingual ballots because they are required to do so by federal law, under the Voting Rights Act. It may make non-Californians feel comfortably superior that the state is uniquely insane, but that assessment would not be accurate.

The details of this onerous, absurd legislation are explained here...

[Link: www.usbc.org...]

It works like this: If more than 5 percent or more than 10,000 of the voting-age citizens in a county don't speak English "very well" and are fluent in another language -- and they have a higher illiteracy rate than the national norm -- the county must translate election materials into their language.

Verstehen Sie?

In fact, 30 states had multilingual ballots in the last election.

hey Mommydoc® I always wanted to do that Th®nk y®u

Yes, there are many hardworking Hispanics, but there are also many who take advantage of the system either cynically and purposefully or out of desperation. But given that it's hard to find a Latin American country with a vibrant economy, I don't think that a Hispanic majority here necessarily is as rosy as Ed paints it.

I have worked with the lower socioeconomic levels of the (mostly Mexican) Latino community for the last 10+ years in Colorado and California, and my mother taught in Spanish (mostly Peurto Rican) Harlem for the 30 years she taught. Maybe it would be different if there wasn't a welfare state to remove disincentives to family planning and illegal immigration, but as long as we provide free taxpayer-funded maternity care, emergency care, and migrant health care and do nothing to police our borders, we will end up with Mexifornia. And those of you living in other states can make fun of the hapless Californians like Charles, zulubaby, NTropy, PDM, scott in east bay, paper tiger and me, but the fact is that when they run this place into the ground and kill the goose that laid the golden egg, they're going to move on to your states like the locusts they are.

Very nice locusts, who you can't help but feel sorry for, but we didn't create the shit holes they come from. And I do not believe that all Mexican Americans are like this at all, but too many of them are misguided into solidarity with la raza (not the organization.)

So, if I am an illegal, and I just want a state with high benefits, I'd go to California.

Good point. Most of the Latinos I've known have been just the bomb. In fact, when my bf and I moved out from South Carolina, the last night in-state, I attended a quinceanos thrown by the woman who cleaned our house, drank tequila and beer and kind of made an ass of myself... which I know just enough spanish to do. It was a great going away party.

In anycase, when we lived in PHX, that same bf (who is now with a hispanic guy) was involved in social work, and I accompanied him to the welfare office once in a while, and it was always filled with non-English speaking latinos. In South Carolina, I had to go to the Department of Social Services regularly for matters related to my foster parenting. The waiting rooms there were about 1/3 white (trash), 1/3 African, and 1/3 hispanic. I can't help it if those observations sound racist, that's just what I saw.

Another heart-rending sight was an adoption picnic I went to... which is one of those cattle calls where they trot out all the hard-ro-place kids in group and foster care and parade them in front of adoptive parents. 80% of the kids were African, 80% of the prospective parents were white... and the white kids were getting all the attention.

This was also in South Carolina, so I have to factor that in. I lived there for three years, and I think the official state motto is "I don't have anything against blacks (or gays), but..."

I think we should take back California. Our battle cry?

for the Inca.

@155 Ed Moran, Noted PBS Historian

We are now implementing the same traditions in our family. What is so ironic is my nephew is a parochial redneck! He's been out of the country one time in his life. The furtherest he's traveled otherwise is to Oklahoma and Arkansas. So meeting and marrying Laura has widened his horizons considerably. He's now learning to speak spanish, as the baby [yes they are already expecting!] will be bi lingual. Laura has enriched that part of my family tremendously.

papertiger: How about

California: For all the other races, too

Forgive the waste of bandwidth, but the Lizards in Bermuda need to put the storm shutters up ASAP and prepare for a week w/o electricity and running water. ( I went to Bermuda in HS once. Great fun)

With the center of dangerous Hurricane Fabian forecast to pass only 15 miles west of the island of Bermuda, and Hurricane force winds extending out over 100 miles to the north and east, Bermuda can expect 6+ hours of sustained Hurricane winds, along with a brief period of sustained winds of 120 to 125 mph (210 km/hr) with gusts to near 150 mph (250 km/hr). NHC advisory below. BTW, waves 5 m inside the reef, up to 12 m outside the reef.

505
WTNT45 KNHC 042042
TCDAT5
HURRICANE FABIAN DISCUSSION NUMBER 33
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM EDT THU SEP 04 2003

FABIAN IS NOT ONLY A SEVERE BUT A LARGE HURRICANE. A RECONNAISSANCE PLANE MEASURED A MINIMUM PRESSURE OF 941 MB AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTENDING OUT TO ABOUT 100 N MI TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE CENTER. THE EYE IS DISTINCT AND THE OUTFLOW IS EXCELLENT IN ALL QUADRANTS. INITIAL INTENSITY IS KEPT AT 105 KNOTS. FABIAN HAS THE CHANCE TO RE-STRENGTHEN SLIGHTLY AS IT CONTINUES TO MOVE OVER WARM WATERS AND LOW SHEAR.

ONCE AGAIN...THE STEERING PATTERN REMAINS CONTROLLED BY THE
SUBTROPICAL RIDGE AND THE APPROACHING TROUGH. THIS SCENARIO HAS
BEEN EXTENSIVELY DISCUSSED FOR THE PAST FEW DAYS. FABIAN IS
FORECAST TO GRADUALLY TURN TO THE NORTH...PASS VERY NEAR BERMUDA AS A SEVERE HURRICANE AND THEN TURN TO THE NORTHEAST WITH AN INCREASE IN FORWARD SPEED. THEREAFTER..FABIAN SHOULD BEGIN TO BECOME EXTRATROPICAL.

PREPARATIONS IN BERMUDA SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION SINCE THE WEATHER SHOULD BEGIN TO DETERIORATE IN BERMUDA DURING THE NEXT 6 HOURS OR SO. TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS SHOULD BEGIN TO AFFECT BERMUDA BY SUNRISE FRIDAY.

FORECASTER AVILA

None of them has enough grey matter between their ears to come to the realization that the tripe (or should we say menudo) that their dearly beloved political party feeds them daily is all lies from the lying lyers.

Oh my goodness--now WHERE have I heard that before?

I have nothing against any immigrants who come into this country legally and work hard to avail themselves of the opportunities we have here. The benefits provided to the ILLEGAL ones sends my blood pressure soaring.

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning for free medical care and cable TV..."

Maybe it would be different if there wasn't a welfare state to remove disincentives to family planning and illegal immigration, but as long as we provide free taxpayer-funded maternity care, emergency care, and migrant health care and do nothing to police our borders, we will end up with Mexifornia. And those of you living in other states can make fun of the hapless Californians like Charles, zulubaby, NTropy, PDM, scott in east bay, paper tiger and me, but the fact is that when they run this place into the ground and kill the goose that laid the golden egg, they're going to move on to your states like the locusts they are.

It's not illegals who dominate the California legislature. It's not illegals who comprise the judicial activists who overrule the will of the people. Its not illegals who have concocted a welfare state which traps them in a vicious cycle of poverty and desperation. The cold hard truth is, and I think VDH makes this point forcefully in his book, it's not illegals who are inevitably responsible for California's problems, its Californians. Texas has a huge Hispanic population and is nowhere near afflicted by the lunacy that plagues California.

I have never had more fun than I did at my first Mexican wedding. Which was my own. I was nervous as all get out at the church, but the reception was a blast.

I've seen videos from "America's Funniest Home Videos" of Jewish weddings ( dangerous stunts involving chairs and dancing), and since I left NY as a youngun, I've known no Jews. Since I have hooked up with AG, AK and NPR at the Houston Lizardoid convention, I am hoping to get "in" enough with the swinging Hebrew crowd to get invited to a wedding sometime..

Plus, I've never worn a yamulke/kippa ( what is the diff?) before, I'll bet I'd look cool as a Jew.

BTW, my wife has Protestant second cousins, one got married, the reception was at the church hall, they had a mariachi band and some of the cool traditional stuff like the "lasso" during the ceremony, but NO dancing ( with a band!) and no alcohol.

No more Protestant weddings for me. WTP? Jesus' first public miracle was turning water to wine at the wedding feast at Canaa, after all.

Well put Dirk

@175 Ed Moran

ROTHFLMAO!

#184 Ed Moran, Advanced Language Programmer,
Congratulations. ;o)

Don't ask me why, but I was watching "Cara Cortada" con Al Pacino y Michelle Pfeifer last night on channel 15 here in Houston ( you'd be surprised how much Spanish you can learn watching las peliculas), and I noticed Senor Lopez, the drug lord/Mercedes dealer Tony Montana shoots halfway through the movie wearing a medallion on his hairy chest that looked vaguely like the Greek letter "PI", but seemed to have a Hebrew character.

Is there any kind of jewelry I can wear on my hairy chest with the top few buttons of a Hawaiian shirt undone that could make me look hip and Jewish in that retro late 70s/early 80s way?

Ed

PDM, if it took me thirteen posts to figure out I'm clueless I'll never get bold and colors.

#155 Ed
I would agree with you there, My wife is also Mexican-American, her parents have been here since 1912. Most Mexicans here in Texas are very assimilated, according to the last census 19% only speak English. Some of the most redneck acting Texans are Mexican, even my wifes relatives complain about wetbacks (their words, not mine). And I have to agree about the women being among the most gorgeous anywhere. No one in her (Large) family has even heard the word 'Aztlan' much less know what it means.

#203 Estimado Dr. Ed Moran, Fashion Concious Goyim ,

Fear not my friend. If you promise not to give out anymore Lizardoid secrets, I'll teach you how.

@187 ND MN TX

So who do you plan on voting for?

Did you know that Bill White is linked to the Saudis?

I actually heard Bill White is linked to Hezbollah, but the words "Bill" and "White" get me too many trash Google hits to look it up.

AG in Houston is in for a rough commute:

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SOUTHERN HARRIS COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST TEXAS

* UNTIL 615 PM CDT

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SOUTHERN HARRIS COUNTY. RADAR ESTIMATES OF 3 TO 4 INCHES OF RAIN HAS
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I gots to go home to the slow 56k home computer modem before the monsoon hits.

Ciao

Dr. Ed Moran, Servicio Nacional de Meteorologico and AG in Houston:

How come we never got to hear about your LGF get together? Wassup with that?

@209 Ed Moran

I'm already on my slllooowww 56k modem...see you later gater.

Bill White's got his own website...

#13 Anant

My parents had to work hard for years, as law-abiding, tax-paying residents, before they were eligible for the benefits of citizenship, and here we are rewarding people for sneaking across the border.

Arnold Schwarzenegger was apparently complaining about the same thing. He talked about waiting for years, doing everything legally, paying money for various fees and for legal advice to assist in his naturalization process. Law-abiding immigrants like him and your parents have every right to be outraged. They've been punished for doing everything the way it's supposed to be done.

Estimado Dr. Ed Moran, Fashion Concious Goyim:

Actually, goyim is plural. Singular is goy.

Dirk Diggler (#197) I'm not blaming the illegals at all. In their position, I'd do the same damned thing. I blame the misguided liberals who insist on these things thinking that it will raise everyone's quality of life without putting on the checks and balances which make sure that the system isn't abused.

But making it even easier for the illegals to access these services is going to exacerbate the problem, and when they can vote, which this will allow them to do, we can no longer say that they aren't part of the problem. And, let's face it, most trends tend to start in California and the west coast. Think, for example, managed health care.

For anyone who thinks I am getting hysterical about this, I just got off the phone with the California Attorney General's Department of Elections office. I confirmed that there is absolutely no mechanism by which they check to see that the person who is certifying his/her citizenship is in fact a citizen. They do not check with the INS, nothing. So, all they need to get a driver's license is a taxpayer ID, which is provided in lieu of a social security number to anyone who is illegal who requests one. Armed with a California driver's license to prove residency, legal or otherwise, they can then register to vote. Does anyone think that someone who is already here illegally cares about the law enough not to lie about this in order to vote, given that there is zero chance of getting caught?

Any suggestions on who to call to start a class action lawsuit to slap a restraining order on it, since we all know Davis will sign this as his swan song?

# 206 Quark ... you couldn't torture me enough to vote for White. It's Sanchez's turn for the limelight. A predominately hispanic city like Houston should have had an hispanic mayor a long time ago. There just wasn't one that was worth electing before Sanchez. Lee Brown has been one of the most worthless mayor's in Houston's history. He has that lovely "deer in the headlights" look every time you see him. The man is just clueless. If he weren't black, he'd still be a beat cop. And don't get me started on Jew Don Boney. The last thing we need is for someone like Thylvethter Turner to get elected next.

213th! Only 400 to go!

It also increases the chances they'll carry insurance upwards from zero.

Wrong. The illegals have always had an opportunity to carry auto insurance but many have chosen not to.

Chances are, your auto insurance policy does not automatically cover you while driving in Mexico. Therefore, as a responsible person, would purchase a rider from your auto insurance company to cover you if you chose to drive in Mexico. Mexican auto insurance companies have the same riders available for their customers who wish to drive in the U.S. Therefore, every responsible illegal already has coverage in the U.S., right? Heh, yeah, right...

It also increases the chances they'll carry insurance upwards from zero.

Wrong. The illegals have always had an opportunity to carry auto insurance but many have chosen not to.

Chances are, your auto insurance policy does not automatically cover you while driving in Mexico. Therefore, as a responsible person, would purchase a rider from your auto insurance company to cover you if you chose to drive in Mexico. Mexican auto insurance companies have the same riders available for their customers who wish to drive in the U.S. Therefore, every responsible illegal already has coverage in the U.S., right? Heh, yeah, right...

As an insurance agent in Houston, I can tell you that the most under-insured segment of the population here is the Hispanics. Even the legal residents only pay for a month or two of coverage so that they can show they have coverage when they go to renew their vehicle registration (as required by TX law) and then they stop paying the premium. Now naturally, not all hispanics do this, but this is a major problem here dramatically affecting the risks assumed by the auto policies in force here in Texas. Understandable, when the risk increases, so must the premium paid. The same crap goes on in California. When a segment of society is accustomed to living on the edge, it's going to take them a long time to assimilate (where's the Borg when you need them?) into the customs of their new normal societal practices.

#214 mommydoc

One group is Friends of Immigration Law Enforcement.

[Link: www.fileus.com...]

Another possibility would be Pacific Legal Foundation.

[Link: www.pacificlegal.org...]

#216 Q,

213th! Only 400 to go!

Don't you mean 453?

And don't get me started on Jew Don Boney.

I was all set to fire off a nasty post to you, ND MN TX, about your raging antisemitism, but I decided to google "Don Boney" forst, and found out that this is actually his first name, and he uses it! How bizarre!

Saved myself an Emily Litella moment.

(With apologies to Godfather fans)

Leave the "C". Take the pizza.

From today's Roll Call Mag:

A lively debate on immigration during the dog days of August nearly turned into a sort-of food fight as a staffer for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) tried to launch a bizarre protest by walking off with a pizza.

According to Fox, said staffer stormed out of a speech by none other than Victor Davis Hanson, calling him a racist and an admitted "classist". Britt Hume continued that Hanson is a professor and "Classicist". :)

Typical Democrat. Won't listen to ideas, but always up for a free lunch.

All right Mommydoc don't get your feathers all in a tizzy. You wouldn't want to stick up for this moron. He had been arrested with cocaine on him verrry publicly and Lee Brown still appointed him to his cabinet.

Brenda, thank you for the links. I just sent off the following email to both of them:

I am sure that by now you have heard that the California state legislature just passed the bill allowing illegal aliens to obtain California drivers’ licenses without proof of legal residency or citizenship. This time, the bill was amended to exclude the fingerprinting requirement, among other security features. Governor Gray Davis has indicated that this time he is likely to sign it.

At the same time, I checked with the California Office of Elections, because it is concerning that the Motor Voter legislation could be open to abuse by illegal aliens. I discovered that the only “proof” of citizenship required for voter registration in California is personal certification under penalty of perjury that one is a citizen and eligible to vote. There is absolutely no routine mechanism in place to confirm citizenship for voter registration purposes. While voting as a non-citizen is in fact a felony there is no mechanism in place to prevent it from happening, nor is it likely to be enforced. A driver’s license is the only piece of identification used for voter registration.

I find this truly disturbing and was wondering what your organization might be planning in relation to this issue. Thank you for your attention in this matter.

I'll let you guys know of the responses.

ND MN TX

You misunderstood me. My feathers are not in a tizzy. That he would use that as a first name instead of an initial tells me everything I need to know about the guy. Hence the Emily Litella reference. Remember "never mind"?

So he's the Marion Barry of Texas, eh?

Mommydoc - I was just giving you $h!t. Relax.

#223 Tim

San Diego columnist Joseph Perkins covered the rather shocking "classist/classicist" incident...

[Link: www.signonsandiego.com...]

I've been trying to get local coverage in Pelosi's home district, San Francisco. Nice to see Brit Hume give it the spin of Stupid Politician Tricks, more or less, on Fox this afternoon.

#223 here's a bit more on the dust up between Pelosi's aide and VDH, I found this at NRO.

FEDERICO de Jesus owes Victor David Hanson an apology.

De Jesus, a staffer for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Cal., falsely accused Hanson, the distinguished author of the just-published book "Mexifornia" (Encounter, 2003), of racism and xenophobia at a recent Capitol Hill briefing.

During his introduction, Hanson, a scholar of ancient Rome and Greece, was aptly described as "a classicist." De Jesus somehow interpreted that to mean that the author had a white "classist" bias against immigrants. Pelosi's aide, who somehow earned a diploma without being able to make a distinction between a classicist and a classist, got ugly with Hanson and stormed out of the briefing in protest.

What a maroon. I'll bet he will be blissfully unaware that he is stoopid.

Fuck everyone who says give California back to Mexico, from that no neck Boostamonster to the turkeyholes in this thread, you know who you are. You get sacrificed, I dont subscribe to martyrdom.

All this pandering to illegal immigrants is ridiculous. What bugs me is the news reporters who refer to them as "undocumented immigrants." It's like they just left their green card at home.

We let our borders remain porous, allow these people to sneak in, and then we can't seem to kick them the hell out! It's analogous to someone breaking into my house. If I don't catch them in the act, not only do I have to let them stay, but I've got to feed them, clothe them, educate their kids, give them medical attention, and so on and so on...

Now we're going to give them DRIVER'S LICENSES?!?!?!? What on earth would be the point of that? I say, announce that we're going to do it. Then, when they show up at the DMV, round 'em up and send 'em back where they came from!

If we enforce the laws that are on the books, we'd be able to save a boatload of our own tax dollars.

It's as if the great-great-grandchildren of the people who used to own your house a hundred years ago but lost it in a bankruptcy snuck into your house while you were asleep, refuse to leave, require you to provide them with food, health care and anything else they require, work out of your home but don't contribute to rent and then call you a racist when you tell them you have to leave. Oh, and expect you to adopt them or at least let them use your name.

Any suggestions on who to call to start a class action lawsuit to slap a restraining order on it, since we all know Davis will sign this as his swan song?

Well, since allowing non-Americans to vote tramples on the civil liberties of citizens, how about the ACLU? Oh yeah, right.

A great motivator would be an online tax/expenses calculator for CollyFORneeah (I've adopted Arnold's pronounciation recently). Plug in the biggies like marital status, dependents and annual earnings. Then give them a breakdown of how much they are forced to pay to support illegals.
*Extra civil servants
*Extra schools and teachers
*Extra cops
*Extra prisons
*Extra health care workers
*Extra direct benefits
*Extra non-English services

Then add things like "If your auto insurance bill is $1,000, $X of that is solely to offset uncollected damages/thefts due to illegal immigrants." Do the same for health insurance/medical bills and property insurance. At the level of the voter, "hundreds are a tragedy, millions are a statistic," as seen in reaction to the new vehicle tax.

The last resort (barring the locals getting off their asses and voting the bums out) might be to press for a documented guest-worker program, with no minimum wage floor for those in the program. Take all the left's arguments for yourselves, and cast this as decidedly pro-immigrant. Then, once it goes into effect, all the Left's pro-illegal immigration arguments are swept away.

Make that When you tell them they have to leave.

I also left out the part that, once they start using your name, they then tell you that they are entitled to have an equal say in how your household is run and are entitled to inheritance.

Any money they save they send to relatives.

Sum it up pretty well?

mommydoc,
right on the money.
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I am nauseous now...

The politicians who voted for this bill (and Gray Davis if indeed he signs it into law) are evil...pure evil.

I am a public high school teacher and our school is so overcrowded...due to the large illegal immigration in the school. And these students bring the whole school down as many arrive not only not able to speak English but also unable to read or write in their native languages and unable to do the most simple mathematics...

By allowing illegal immigrants to attend public school, the Supreme Court condemned all American students to a lesser education since many funds are being diverted to serve these uninivited guests.

I had some "undocumented" students last year who went to North Carolina to get a driver's license and then traded them in six months later for a New York State driver's license.

So driver's licenses can be accessed even in states that do not grant driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

When I found out about this, I called a bunch of politicians (hey, I live in NY and this is after Sept 11th) and none was even vaguely interested...not even my wonderful Hilary Clinton (and yes, like an idiot, I voted for her).

Meanwhile, New York State teaching certificates have no reciprocity with North Carolina.

Go figure!

Christine J: You have my sympathy. Where in New York are you? My mom taught in NYC District 4. It became a nightmare, and those kids were here legally, for the most part, since they were predominantly Puerto Rican.

But you hit the nail on the head. (Supposedly) well-meaning liberals have taken the attitude that since the kids are here anyway, it will benefit all of us if they are educated and the parents don't have the means to do it alone.

What they miss is that we have finite limits on financial resources and by educating them or providing (fill in the blank with any social service you can think of), we dilute the services provided to the children of tax payers, or taxpayers themselves, since the illegals have a disproportionate need for social services, given that they have larger families and fewer resources, no matter how hard they work, since they typically have low-paying jobs.

The major fallacy is the initial assumption: because they're here anyway.

This defeatism does two things. It makes enforcement of our borders and immigration laws a farce, and it thereby encourages a never-ending influx of illegals. We cannot, ultimately, afford to feed, clothe, house educate and provide health care for the entire world's poor, nor is it our responsibility to.

It is time to return this government to the citizens of this country. I am not advocating an end to immigration, but I believe that immigration should be legal and regulated like crazy. This is one place where big government makes sense: for our physical and economic safety.

And I speak as the granddaughter of four immigrant grandparents who were grateful to be here and as someone who has lived much of her life immersed in hispanic culture and is very sympathetic to hispanic causes, but not to the extent of threatening my own well-being.

California (not to mention the rest of the country) is in serious need of political reforms.
I suggest the following ballot initiatives for the next general election:

1)End gerrymandering. Use the Iowa example of only using statistical metropolitan areas for Congressional and State house of Representative districts.
2)Lifetime ban on voting by convicted felons.
3)Require verifacation of US citizenship to apply for a voters registration card.
4)Restrict voting for State and Federal House of Representatives to income and property tax payers.
5)Make illegal status an aggravating circumstance in the sentencing consideration for felonies,no parole,good time reduction.Mandatory full sentence followed by immediate remanding to the INS for deportation.
6) End all State funded welfare benfits to illegal aliens. Let Congress get the moxie to fund them if they really want to instead of doing it by stealth via mandates.

Zulubaby:

I lied about the naked Pali belly dancers who had a thing for kosher sausage. It was 4 guys, no woman, but Seth brought along his laptop, that magically pulls internet out of the ether, so we surfed some, and told a few St. Corrie de Jemima jokes.

We might have had a woman guest, but she ( I think she was a she) went to the wrong soul-less Seattle caffeine dealing multinational franchise.

One of the guys ( he who tilts at NPR) was a pediatric oncologist at the big cancer hospital, so that was cool.

Anybody see LA Laker's owner Jerry Buss make it to the final two players in the poker match on the Travel Channel last night. They were playing for a 100k pot, but that is chump change for Jerry, and you could tell he was just having fun. Pretty cool though.

That reminds me, what did Koby have for breakfast. ???.??
My guess, El como' huevos con macachado con tortillas harina para desayuno.

For some reason, I see the Democratic party having issues with a lifetime ban on felons voting.

BTW, for those not aware, here in Texas, the Dem state senators are hiding in New Mexico to prevent a quorum and stop a vote that would redistrict Texas. The state has voted over 60% Republican in the last few elections, and had Republicans holding every state office since GWB's second election as Gov. In the early 1990s, seeing the writing on the wall, the Dems gerrymandered Texas to ensure the states congressional delegation would remain Democratic even as the state went Republican.

So now, we have a state that votes 60% Republican and sends more Democrats than Republicans to Washington. All the Dems can say is redistricting now is all some kind of evil plot masterminded by Tom DeLay.

Boy, payback will be a B*tch though. The Repubs were a minority in the Texas leg. since Reconstruction ended, and never walked out to block a quorum. If the Dems ever regain the state house, I hope our Republican reps take a permanent vacation to New Mexico to block these asshats.

cubanbob (#239)

I'm with you on all but #4. IANAL, but I believe that's unconstitutional.

#241 Ed Moran: I've been curious about that situation. How is it playing out on the streets of Texas? It's disgusting to me, but is it driving any measurable amount of voters one way or the other? Or just the usual partisans taking the usual sides?

Just caught the end of a Univision sponsored Democrat debate from New Mexico on PBS.

I catch Joe Lieberman mid speech, talking about how immigration laws will be vigorously enforced. I'm thinking to myself, "thank goodness, one Dem with common sense". Joe drones on to say in his administration, never again will an AG like Ashcroft arrest 800 "undocumented residents" and hold them without trial. Then I realized he'll have to sell his soul, so to speak, to have any chance of winning the Democrat base in the primaries.

I can't tell how the average Texan is reacting. Talk radio would make you think people are upset, the local network affiliates seem awfully sympathetic to the Dems hiding out in New Mexico.

Thanks Ed.

Lieberman is a joke. I truly think he's probably a fine man, someone I'd enjoy having as a friend, were he never a politician. But he's reversed himself so often and so completely in recent history when special interests demanded he kiss their, err, rings. I can't see how a person could cast a vote for him as a man of integrity, or pretend to know how he'd act on issues.

Of course all politicians compromise and bend and waffle and sell out to some degree. But Joe's head and shoulders above most of his peers in this regard.

238 Mommydoc

Great post. You really should think about getting into politics. Really.

(bonus: your malpractice insurance would go down!)

#238
Mommy Doc--I teach in Queens (in Astoria)...and this just might be my last year! You wouldn't believe the ridiculous curriculum they are foisting on us this year.

Christine J--Oh, yes I would. Nothing about the NYC school system, once one of the finest in the country if not the world, would surprise me anymore. And in San Diego, we inherited Anthony Alvarado. My mother was teaching when his scandal broke, and retired 6 years later to San Diego. She was pretty steamed when he showed up there. Fortunately, I believe we kicked his and his mistress's ass out recently. Funny, but she used to be a lesbian.

wordwarp, you are very kind. Unfortunately, I wouldn't stand up to the public scrutiny; I suck at politics.

Nanci Pelosi proves that sucking at politics is no barrier (just as long at they don't have pictures).

Illegal aliens have to have drivers' licenses to they can get to the polling places. They managed to get licenses before by paying Dept. of Motor Vehicle clerks to falsify records. A clerk in my town was arrested for this.

In California you can also run for office as an illegal alien. If you are questioned, you just accuse someone of being a racist. In Oakland, CA there is a council member who fits this description. He leads a local union. The local voter registrar won't do a thing, the Secretary of State won't do a thing, our elected officials won't help us. Our State bird should be a chicken, not a quail.

#250

Ignacio de la Fuente? Yeah, a friend of mine had a bunch of documents she sent around showing he was illegal, but no one was interested.

#250, Carol Ann. Quail when used as a verb is perfect for California. The 4th definition found in Websters 1913 edition is perhaps the most descriptive and appropriate however.

#247 Christine

Would self-esteem figure highly in the new "improved" curriculum? I'm a sucker for horror stories of this sort, so I would love to hear more.

My father was a teacher, and they had none of the BS that is absolutely endemic today. For that reason, I was a little slow to believe things were as bad as they actually are. What happened to the teaching profession and how did its philosophy turn to goo? There's an important book there that need to be written.

#253, Brenda. That book was written several years ago by a fellow called Bork. The book was called "Slouching Towards Gommorah".

That reminds me, what did Koby have for breakfast. ???.??

Charles killed the thread at 838 posts I think, but it was fun while it lasted.

Current Bermuda obs
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Barometer 1009 mb
Sky condition: Rain with Thunder, Blowing Spray.

The center of Hurricane Fabian will pass within 40 miles of Bermuda, sustained winds should reach at least 115 mph ( 190 km/hr)

You wouldn't believe the ridiculous curriculum they are foisting on us this year.

Examples?

The Neo-Con elite- WSJ, Billy Kristol, et al, openly support an "open borders" policy, meaning "lets just abolish the INS".

You see, immigration, all kinds of immigration, is necessary to keep wages down.

On the other side of the isle sit the anti-white, pro-brown multi-culturalists who wish very badly to be rid of the so called "angry white male" voting bloc and all he/she and their ancestors stood for.

The writing has been on the wall for 25 years, you are all far too late to do anything about it now- kiss California good-bye, Texas and Arizona aren't far behind.

And whom will it really benefit? Why Mexico's corrupt elite, who, like others of their ilk around the world, figured out a long time ago that reform is not necessary as long as you can dump your refuse on America's doorstep and let the moronic taxpayers foot the bill.

Kind of funny, now that I think about it, serves the dumbass electorate right.

And whom will it really benefit? Why Mexico's corrupt elite, who, like others of their ilk around the world, figured out a long time ago that reform is not necessary as long as you can dump your refuse on America's doorstep and let the moronic taxpayers foot the bill.

Exactly.

Did anyone catch Bustamante's position during the recall candidate's debate that illegal immigrants should be granted California driver's licenses because they have been here (on MEChA's "Bronze Continent") for 20,000 years and that everyone else in America, other than Native Americans, is an illegal immigrant?

This sounds a lot like MEChA's declaration, in "El Plan de Aztlan", that "We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent". The bill which Davis signed into law was written by another former "Mechista".

The Fresno Bee's attempt to whitewash the Bustamante/MEChA connection on Saturday, September 6, included some interesting defenses from MEChA apologists. For example: "Teresa Perez, a former Hispanic studies professor at Fresno State says that (returning the Southwest United States to Mexico) was never MEChA's intent. . . . "We knew we would eventually be the largest ethnic group in California. Actually, we were taking it back without a struggle. . . "
So, if you are in MEChA, "winning" means getting as many Mexican immigrants as possible into Aztlan. See John Leo's article (linked) Ignoring radical racilaism

Re: Comment 260 - CORRECTION - I just read that it was Peter Camejo, the Green Candidate, not Bustamante, who said that practically everyone but immigrants from Mexico is in the US illegally. Sorry. I guess I should watch the next debate on TV.

Hi to you all ignorant,
You seem to have such a preconditionned hatery against illegal immigrant, but yet I don't see a lot of white folks picking up patatoes or strawberies in the heat of the Californian field, those illegale immigrant of whom you are so against put your vegetables and fruit at the market food on your tables, all this for a minimum wage, they don't just cut your grass or clean your houses, they contribute to the state's society, or but no you can't see that can you? since your seating you "A' down and complaiing about how unffair the world is ti you, you poor victims.
I tell you what let's get ride of all the hard willng latino workers and replace them wth you, go out there and pick the vegis and fruits up, maybe than you'll somethng to complain about, you republican fascist, you want to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, so then when someone comes along and say let's insure every road users they safety, what should that be such an inconvenience to you, in the contrary california needs the money, and whether or not they et it they're still going to drive, get it,got it, good!...

Signed'
Wouldn't you like to know?

Nice grammar on comment #262. I tried to look up "hatery" in the dictionary, but apparently my stupid, Republican dicitonary doesn't recognize this word. Is this like an eatery? Maybe you should run for the Board of Education; I'm sure you can get a Latino caucus to endorse your eloquent mastery of our ENGLISH language.

By the way, the illegals picking in the fields pay no taxes and have reaped the benefits of free healthcare for years. Now they can drive on the same public roadways for which they have contributed no money toward building or upkeeping. Must be nice.

Furthermore, I promote the rich becoming richer. This is America, fool, and we live in what is called a free market system. If you are not smart enough to make yourself richer, then tough you-know-what. If you want equal distribution of money, may I suggest China or Cuba as possible areas of relocation? I am not rich, but I sure would like to be. I have been through moderate poverty, but went to SCHOOL and now make decent money. Gee, funny how that works. Hard work, education, and obeying the LAWS that bind our community, like legal immigration, is what should be promoted by Davis...not this.

I hope you are on the way back to the fields, you hypocrite. I sure am hungry for some fresh lettuce.

Ask an "undocumented" immigrant picking crops in the field (in his language of choice) if he is better off picking crops in the field or if he was better off back in his country. Hmmm, there's a reason why he snuck across the border. His standard of living is much greater here in America than it was in his third-world, poverty-stricken, crime-riddled nation. They sneak in, get free education for their children, free healthcare, and now can legally drive on MY (read: AMERICAN) roads. So, stop trying to portray these people who flaunt our laws as victims.

Last time I checked, having a driver's license was a PRIVILEDGE, not a RIGHT. We have just extended yet another PRIVILEDGE to another group of people who BREAK THE LAW. It's like the prisoner who complains because he only gets basic cable instead of premium.

The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia has been handing out benefits hand over fist to people who don't deserve them for years now. Strange how Red Davis gleefullly signed into law a bill that he vetoed twice in the past. I wonder why? The real truth is, every benefit given to a poor Californian who can't take care of himself, is another vote in a wealthy, self-serving Democratic (socialistic) politician's pocket (actually, it's like a tenth of a vote, taking in to account the abysmal turnout of low-income illiterates). The wealthy liberals need to feel "guilty" for being rich and contribute to the drain on society as well by supporting these candidates.

Additionally, have you thought about all the new $$$ that will be collected by the DMV for licencing fees (paid for with tax-free dollars)? I wonder where that will go? Probably to pay for another social program to support someone without the ability to take care of himself.

The cost of living in CA is among the highest in the nation. The literacy rate, school systems, crime rate, ... are among the worst in the nation. California is the 7th largest economy in the WORLD, and is BILLIONS of dollars in debt. California is also one of the most liberal states in the USA. Hmmm, hasn't it been proven that socialism doesn't work? Why must we continue the CA experiment? You can only abuse the hard-working legal, tax-paying citizens for so long before they decide to take their tax dollars somewhere else. My wife & I are leaving the state we onced loved (both 32 year natives) because of the festering, immoral, liberal, money-pit it has become.

I have nothing against legal immigrants. It's what built this nation of ours. I do have a problem with people who do not obey the laws of this country. Laws are here for a reason. You should NOT be rewarded for breaking them.