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Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 3:37:48 pm PST

You haven’t arrived until you have your very own stalker moonbat with a blog, issuing semi-literate “criticisms:” LGF Watch. (I did get a laugh out of the moonbat’s description of the Washington Post as “right-wing.” Silly moonbat! Hope you enjoy the traffic.)

But you haven’t really arrived until you have a friendly non-stalker lizardoid minion with a blog that watches the watcher: LGF Watch Watch. Bwahahaha!

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1 Omedalus  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:39:29pm

I think the Information Age is overdoing it...

2 The Ramblin' Wreck  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:39:31pm

An Editoral Cartoon,

A (_)Watch,

Dang, Charles, what's next? Thursday Nights at 6 on Fox News?

3 Colt  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:41:10pm

Ok, this is just weird :-)

4 zulubaby  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:45:43pm

I think it's brilliant, having a good laugh over this one. Can whoever is running the LGF Watch Watch blog please change the background colour? It's very dark.

5 meredithv  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:46:28pm

thank you for the much needed laugh! charles, your sense of humor is so awesome!!!

6 AB  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:46:30pm

"Death to LGF Watch"

There, a death threat!

Oh NOES!!!

(I can't wait til this makes it on their site)

This guy/girl/it at LGF Watch doesn't seem to know the difference between a death threat against a specific person by name or a wish that a death cult would die off.

7 ralph  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:47:57pm

Where's my check?
/sarc off

8 brianstien  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:48:03pm

OT: Operation Gratitude update: Thanks to a heads-up from our cruel Lizardiod Master, I recently contributed to Operation Gratitude. Mrs. Blashek included a personally penned message at the bottom of the bulk thank-you I received today, indicating that my $50 was among the most generous donations she'd received. 50 bucks? Most Generous?! Come now, fellow minions. It is a pathetic state of affairs when I am setting the standard. And if you will be in the Van Nuys environs next month, don't forget about the Operation Gratitude rally.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled bloggage.

9 Zachary Cohen  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:49:34pm

Maybe someone needs a little clue on what "libel" means: how exactly is saying that Corrie left an "evil legacy" libel? It's a fucking opinion. It is not as if Charles said she was the Satan Incarnate.

As for the "satire": (1) Never was marked as satire (2) Page on which it was posted has a long history of LGF-Hating (3) Was believed as true by at least a view people (4) Is a serious news site.

10 Flaming Sword  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:50:54pm

Cool! I do some of my best work when I'm aware that there's an audience to play to!

11 scaramouche  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:51:22pm

Coming soon: the LGF Watch Watch Watch.

12 ChicagoTex!  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:51:46pm

A "watch"? How idiotic. Like there's anything to "watch" out for. Just come here and read and think for yourself.

Oh, that's right--maybe they're too used to other people doing things for them.

13 veebee  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:52:22pm

And somehow the death threat against Charles is the same as a call to fight terrorism. Hmm... For some reason they decided that the terrorists in the Church of nativity is an Arab woman. Which is interesting, I mean, if they hide behind somebody else's holly places, they are certainly not man, not in the Western understanding of manhood...

But hey, congratulations Charles!

14 ramadanadingdong  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:52:57pm

This is too funny. What's next: LGF Watch Watch Watch?

15 scaramouche  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:54:01pm

#14

See #11.

16 veebee  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:54:44pm

Chicago Tex

A "watch"? How idiotic.

Esp. considering that he/she was probably against the perfectly legitimate campuswatch.

17 hans ze beeman  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:56:32pm

Well, I'd like to have an LGF watch, I'd order it in combination with a LGF shirt ;)

18 scaramouche  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:58:56pm

OT: The Malaysian moonbat weighs in on his rebuke by President Bush. According to him, it never happened!
[Link: straitstimes.asia1.com.sg...]

19 QueenEsther  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 1:59:52pm

Okay, so first you have a terrorist group (the Devil, AlQaida, Indiotmedia etc.)
Then you have a anti-terrorist group (LGF).
Then you have a anti-anti-terrorist group (LGF Watch)
Then you have a anti-anti-anti-terrorist group (LGF Watch Watch).

It's perfectly understandable.

20 veebee  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:01:37pm

scaramouche,
just like the Holocaust... Oh wait, he actually expressed his approval for the Holocaust.

21 Maui Girl  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:02:15pm

Sounds like "F", the seeming author of LGF Watch has a "hard-on" for Charles (or perhaps a "heart-on").

What a great compliment Charles, a weblog solely dedicated to keeping an eye on LGF (even if it does belong - the eye I mean - to a jealous ranting moonbat).

And thanks to Michael for LGF Watch Watch!

This could be the beginning of something....

22 brett  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:02:25pm

Freaking hilarious! :)

23 emo  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:08:05pm

The BBC are reporting that Tom Hurndall's life support is likely to be turned off in the near future.

Legal move to end activist's life

I don't wish harm on anyone, but I'm all for freedom of choice. If someone makes the choice to remove themselves from the human gene pool by helping Paliterrorists and placing themselves in mortal danger, (see also Corrie, R) then fine.

No chance of Huwaida Arraf spending the rest of her life in prison for Hurndall's manslaughter, I suppose.

24 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:08:56pm

Are we gonna have an office pool to guess which of our favorite trolls is the LGF Watch(er)?

Or better yet, a new LGF poll:

Who is Lgf Watch "Secret Agent F"???

What a hoot!

25 Philly G  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:10:05pm

My free speech is being impeded by this LGF Watch site! I'm being watched by the government now too! The Patriot Act stole my brother! We live in a fascist police state!

/LLL Moonbat

26 Dave J.  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:10:19pm

Charles, maybe you should get all Krugman on this guy's ass and accuse him of stalking you!

27 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:15:15pm

I see that the CS who runs this thing doesn't accept comments.
The Warblogger Watch group at Yahoo professes to be collecting evidence of "crimes against humanity," presumably for some future idiotarian version of the Moscow show trials. I wonder if our new friend entertains some similar fantasy.

28 Neo_Con  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:16:12pm

The "LGF Watch" means that moonbats don't have to come to LGF themselves, and read it for themselves, and think for themselves.

It means the moonbats can be spoonfed a biased selection of LGF posts, and accompanying lefty commentary on those posts.

Yeah, I know it's silly, but that's what they're up to.

29 steve  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:17:37pm

I'm reminded of a quote from a man who was sitting in front of me at a theatre. I was young and a little bored with whatever we were there to see (Born Free, perhaps). In my absent minded boredom I was unconciously kicking the back of his chair. Finally, he turns around, looks at me - very sternly - and says: "young man, haven't you got anything better to do!?!".

Likewise, LGF Watch.

30 zulubaby  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:19:36pm
And thanks to Michael for LGF Watch Watch!

Michael Johnson?

31 ralph  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:19:40pm

New book on Amazon

Watches and the Watching Watchers who tell the time, A fair and balanced look at Watches

By Al Clockhead (90% discount)
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

32 NB  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:21:25pm

Amusing --and predictable --

My guess is there there is a far broader diversity of people, ages, religions, backgrounds, etc. on LGF than on Indymedia.

33 emo  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:21:56pm

I'll have a few bucks on the culprit being the Nazimedia turdbubble "Dylan Avery".

34 veebee  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:23:21pm

Neo Con,
There is actually no comment section on LGF Watch. It's quite telling...

35 justdanny  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:23:24pm

How tragic !!! Can you imagine the life of this person, how sad and pathetic it must really be ? To be so hurt and damaged by being banned and deleted from LGF that he/she actually dedicates his/her life to this. I think that is one of the saddest things I have ever seen.

To LGF Watch person,

Get a life. Go for a walk. Find some friends. Get a hobby. Read a book. Take up a musical instrument. Find a mate. See a therapist. Look at yourself, don't you have any idea how amazingly tragic it is to be living like that ?

36 zulubaby  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:23:46pm

ralph (#31)

LOL!!

37 SoCalJustice  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:25:07pm

I needed to smile today, this made it happen.

There has rarely been a term more ironic than "anti-racist." Those guys are some of the most hateful people on the planet.

38 Nancy  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:35:06pm

28 Neo_Con 10/28/2003 04:16PM PST

You said: "The "LGF Watch" means that moonbats don't have to come to LGF themselves, and read it for themselves, and think for themselves."

That probably sums it up --they can't be bothered with discussion and argument where they would actually have to follow a conversation and make a logical point rather than attack with rhetoric that is unrelated to the issue, so "sound bites" is all they can handle.

Kine of like years ago --skimming through a book looking for the "dirty" parts and thinking that was enough to understand the story.

Especially when he/she commented that "the world is so simple" --context was implying few understood the complexities as he/she does.

So, all he/she is doing is bringing LGF down to the level of those "simple-minded" folks who don't want to really think about what they are supporting and endorsing and the consequences. Bet he/she never thought of THAT!

39 ramadanadingdong  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:36:05pm

#15 scaramouche -

yikes, you're FAST - I was too slow w/the "enter" key.

NOW will you do the fandango?

40 Elizabeth  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:36:45pm

WHoooo OO

This is a Watchbird
watching LGF Watch;

WHooo OO

This is a Watchbird Watching YOU!

41 agitate  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:37:18pm

Thank you Michael for making my day with your LGF watch watch blog...I hope we see more pics of useful idiots.

42 Kimberly  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:37:37pm

Oh, how funny is it that this moonbat, who has obviously been forcefed a diet of Indymedia and AlJazeera, accuses Charles of believing that Rachel Corrie was an idiot only because he read it in the Wall Street Journal? How perfect is that?

Could there be a more clear demonstration of the fact that moonbats just cannot believe that some people observe and think for themselves and that they believe all opinions must be gained only through slavish devotion to a newspaper, or a TV channel? Imagine. This creature reviles Charles enough to start a "Watch" blog, yet cannot conceive of him developing his own opinion of world events in an independent fashion. That's just perfect. Talk about "projection."

43 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:39:33pm

But look, Charles already knows who perpetrated this:

Libeller Unmasked

It has been revealed to me through our friends at JDL that the phantom libeller who perpetrated the vicious "societal nuke" against me Sunday night is a traitor named Avi (ABE) Smoling, of Jonquiere Quebec, Canada.


Oh, I see, this is a person pretending to be Charles making up a story about knowing who the unknown individual was who posted a fake story about Charles.

How freakin' pathetic.

44 Neo_Con  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:39:47pm

The latest in Lefty self-parody.

45 ralph  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:40:31pm

#36 zulubaby

I'm sorry but this cries out for one:

The Great Clock: Losing Our Way with a New Watch
by Paul Krugman

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

46 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:42:07pm

#24 Spiny Norman ,

No mention of me or zulubabe, so it's probably not Yair. Unless he's being crafty.

Yeah...crafty. That's the ticket!

[Demonic cackling]

:-P

47 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:42:53pm

#42
The concept of independently arriving at one's own conclusions is quite alien to the authoritarian mindset. It's therefore quite common for goose-stepping authoritarians to assume that others are controlled by authority as well. An idiotarian accepts, say, Mother Jones as gospel, and takes it for granted that anti-idiotarians simply adhere to a rival authority.

48 Rayra the Registered Independent  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:43:05pm

Noting the fledging propagandist who operates LGF Watch is tru to LLL form - sock-puppet identities, attempts to squash opposing opinions, attempts to flood media channels - note the gross over-repetition of 'Charles Johnson' - the Google equvalent of ballot-stuffing.
Wouldn't surprise me to find him stuffing his meta-tags, too.
Sad little Monkey. Pull lever, get banana.

49 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:43:29pm

#42 Kimberly

Oh, how funny is it that this moonbat, who has obviously been forcefed a diet of Indymedia and AlJazeera

Thats like me arguing with my cousins buddy last friday:
Me: Where do you usually get your news from?
Him: Usually CNN, BBC and the NY times. I feel it gives me a good mix of information.
Me: **trying not to laugh too much** End of argument. Bye bye.

50 Ariel  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:47:26pm

If you read some of LGF watch's entries, they're pretty distorted, almost contrafactual. It takes work to make things quite as different from what Charles posts. Lame effort, though. Hopefully, the moonbat will learn something by reading LGF closely enough to make up random stuff.

51 reaganite  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:48:39pm

#49 Right Wing Conspirator

Where do you usually get your news from?

I was in Hartford a few weeks ago. My brother-in-law showed up to have a beer or two. We started talking about the middle east (this is the point my team-mates ran out the door), I asked him the same question. He replied "NPR". I missed a 6" shot for the 8-ball.

52 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:49:42pm

On second thought, fellow lizardoid minions, I've had enough of this.
If this LGF Watch nonsense does not cease at once, I shall dispatch a unit of our grey-slave abduction squadron to swoop down on this asshat's trailer and reprogram his vibrator to seize control of his pet gerbil's mind and command it to devour all of his Carly Simon albums. If that doesn't wake him up, Linda Ronstadt is next.
We would take over his mind directly but, well, you see the problem there.

53 PDM  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:51:06pm

Someone should set up a blog to watch LGF Watch Watch... just in case...

54 Yehudit  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:53:10pm

Why does all this remind me of that old Mad Magazine strip Spy vs. Spy?

55 justdanny  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 2:57:44pm

My selection for the real LG(shock)F Watch

56 Allah  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:05:56pm

Oho! Once again, kufr, you have been taken in by the Jew's lies. Obviously the LGF Watch page is a creation of the Satan himself to make his critics appear feeble and barely literate.

When will you learn, o children? The Jew is nothing if not clever!

57 Elizabeth  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:07:23pm

Charles: Is this the same Moonbat that was stalking you from the now 'disappeared' Sunday thread?

I went over to Indymedia and left a little post of my own then emailed Indymedia to let them know that one of their posters was leaving libelous material on their site and that they could be facing litigation as of Monday a.m. if it had not disappeared by then.

On checking back to see if it was still there on Monday, I found the whole thread gone along with all the posts. Not saying I had anything to do with that....I'm just saying....y'know?

So maybe he/she/it got discouraged at being kicked out of all the best and worst places and decided to start their own website.

I notice they didn't leave any email address for a contact. Wonder why that is? Heh-heh-heh!

'Course....I could always write Blogspot and say that they have a client who is posting libelous material and if it's still up by tomorrow morning, they may be facing litigation, etc. etc. etcetera.

Naw....that's just plain mean, isn't it. Isn't it? Maybe I'll just leave a little note......(Heh-heh-heh)...(snort)....

58 Rayra the Registered Independent  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:07:33pm

Speak of the Devil

59 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:07:47pm

#51 reaganite

This guy is still pretty young and open minded so I figure I can work with him a little. Doesn't mind arguing and only goes into spouting LLL slogans only half the time. Its a start. Also, tipped one up for ya on Friday. Then one turned into two, two to four, four to, ummm, can't remember. I know that when a 35 buck tip on a 80 dollar bill comes out to 100 dollars, it might be time to call it a night.

OT-
Seems they are already watching our brethren in Texas.

60 eyehatehippies  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:08:06pm

Figures, most (meaning at least one I've seen on IMC :) ) leftists believe the earth is flat. It's some Jim Jones / Koresh deeply religious in the insane way thing. It's a belief system; in which the united states is satan, its minions demons, and Arafat and Chirac are divine prophets. Superstition is to be believed, IMCers even include numerology as "evidence." It's like the old secret society / freemason scares in the 1800's, in fact they usually blame them too.
Sorry Loons, I guess I am on the side of the devil.

61 reaganite  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:14:40pm

#59 Right Wing Conspirator

I know that when a 35 buck tip on a 80 dollar bill comes out to 100 dollars, it might be time to call it a night.

That'll be me Friday night!

I'm going to a Halloween party, I stole the idea from another LGFer (forget who), I'm going as a parody of a peace freak. I have my dreadlock wig, camo pants, bong, bullhorn, and my tie-dyed shirt. I just can't stand the thought of not bathing!

62 h0mi  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:18:17pm

Oh my this person "F" is an imbecile. It's obvious that BH was referring to the terrorists deported from Israel involved in the nativity seige and not simply "young arab women".

Shame it's such a coward that he doesn't have comments on its blog.

63 RightIsRight  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:18:46pm

Reaganite


A Bong?

I think you mean a "tobacco-water-pipe".

64 reaganite  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:21:30pm

#62 h0mi

It's obvious that BH was referring to the terrorists deported from Israel involved in the nativity seige and not simply "young arab women".

I read that same thing and just gave up. It's obvious as others stated above that this "LGF Watch" is nothing but a lame attempt to slam Charles. So many trolls that have been banished may be up to it, it's hard to tell who it might be.

HWSNBN is my first guess.

65 reaganite  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:22:54pm

#63 RightIsRight
Nope, it's a fake though, PVC pipe and a little bowl I turned on my lathe. It'd be a bit tough to use since there's no hole in the bottom!

66 Ariel  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:23:04pm

reaganite #64 - I doubt it's HWSNBN, honestly, much as I dislike the Asian red fruit. We'd need more rants about how Jews are controlling the world; the style just isn't right without them.

67 Model4  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:23:31pm

LGF Watch is electron abuse. No one's going to make it there without coming here first, which will nullify all the befuddled bile there. Sheesh, we've got rabid trolls that think and write better than that sanitary napkin of a web page. But there's definitely a lot of jealousy and admiration wafting from the kid trying to dunk Charles' pigtails in the ink well.

68 Ernie G  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:23:59pm

#40 Elizabeth

WHoooo OO

This is a Watchbird
watching LGF Watch;

WHooo OO

This is a Watchbird Watching YOU!

Wow! That brought back some memories.

69 reaganite  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:24:57pm

#66 Ariel
My reasoning is this, HWSNBN hates Charles with a passion for banning him, I wouldn't doubt it, but you are probably right.

70 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:25:37pm

OT, but interesting, Guys and Dolls.

Editorial: Targeting Compassion


By attacking the Red Crescent, those behind this outrage seek to make the lives of ordinary Iraqis even more miserable. They want to cause maximum chaos, maximum suffering, and maximum distress— with the ultimate objective of maximum destabilization. To strike on the first day of the holy month of Ramadan is an affront to Islam.

It was a cold, calculated act, and there was a cold, calculating mind behind it. It was organized with skill and precision. The obvious author is Saddam Hussein, out there, hiding somewhere — although what this attack says is that he has only suicide bombers at his disposal. They are not in infinite supply.


Hardly surprising, until you note that it is in Arab News. Oh, it has the obligatory lauding of the splodeydopes as "idealists", and the obligatory distrust of America's assertion that said splodeydopes were Syrian, but there is a deeper truth here.

Contra conventional wisdom, yesterday's attack was not merely an act of desperation, it was a strategic mistake. The Iraqis sure as hell know we didn't do the Splodeydope thing. Since the targets were Iraqis (with the US soldiers as collateral damage for a change)(unless you believe it's worth the deaths of roughly 30 Iraqi civilians to take out two Americans. I doubt that most Iraqi civilians agree with that mindset), I suspect this actually helped us, although it isn't the kind of help we would like to be receiving.

"They want to cause maximum chaos, maximum suffering, maximum distress — with the ultimate objective of maximum destabilization."

The Iraqi people know this as well.

The only thing is that so much of the American media are on the Islamonazi's side. Check out the headline of this piece-of-shit article in the LA Islamonazi Times:

Attack Is a Media Coup for Iraq Resistance, Experts Say.

At least they aren't ambiguous about which side they are on.

Bastards.

Compare the two headlines, Arab News v. LA Times.

Again, bastards. A good part of the media are the enemy. This should be remembered.

(BTW, the reporter didn't do the headline. That was some lowlife editor who, pretty clearly, pledged his/her/its allegiance to the Islamic Republic of America)

71 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:28:49pm

#61 reaganite

I'm going to a Halloween party, I stole the idea from another LGFer (forget who), I'm going as a parody of a peace freak. I have my dreadlock wig, camo pants, bong, bullhorn, and my tie-dyed shirt. I just can't stand the thought of not bathing

Hmmm. A bong with you. Some RDX or HMX residue on your hands from not bathing. I might suggest avoiding any k9 units that night. ;-)

However, in regards to not taking a shower or getting cleaned up, don't you know that this works wonders for the ANSWER crowd.

72 reaganite  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:29:06pm

#70 Iron Fist
WOW! ArabNews telling the truth and the LAT not siding with them. Not surprising for the LAT, but shocking for ArabNews.

73 Donna V.  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:29:06pm

You'd think the moonbat could come up with a better opener than "Charles Johnson thinks this" "Charles Johnson says that." Every single post on that blog starts out "Charles Johnson, blah, blah, blah." I'm reminded of the little Miss Goody Twoshoes who sat behind me in 3rd grade and spent the year informing on me. "Sr. Rose, Donna's passing a note to Sue." "Donna said 'Damnit' during recess." "Donna's reading a comic book instead of doing her math." "Donna called me Eileen Jelly Bean." Grrrrrrr!

74 yankee_lover  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:29:21pm

Hey Charles, keep up the good work. The only reason there's LGF watch is that you're gaining popularity. Maybe your average Joe Public is finally waking up to how far left the liberals have gone. Personally, I think they're a bunch of raving lunatics!

75 K.  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:31:25pm

I take it that this person was banned from posting comments and has found another way of venting his frustration. Good luck, mysterious stranger. I bet a single LGF entry gets more hits than your site ever will.

76 Elizabeth  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:33:03pm

#68 Ernie G.:

Thank-you; you're the only one that got it! Sort of seemed to fit the situation though, don'cha think?

77 reaganite  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:36:11pm

#71 Right Wing Conspirator
Is that "evening in armpit" cologne?

78 scaramouche  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:38:33pm

#39 ramadanadingdong

NOW will you do the fandango?

I dunno. Is that like pilates?

79 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:39:43pm

#72 reaganite,

What is worse, the Arab News piece is a thoughtful, balanced piece (although I disagree with calling splodeydopes "idealist", I guess it depends on your definition of "idealist", which is subjective), especially in light of the pure Islamonazi propaganda in the LA Times.

Frankly, I was pulling for Bustamonte in the recall election. With a little encouragement, he might would have had the People's Republic of Kalifornia secede.

Not try to, mind you. I wouldn't spill one drop of American blood to keep Kalifornia in the Union (although all sane Americans living there should have the right to go East :-)

80 reaganite  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:43:03pm

#79 Iron Fist

(although all sane Americans living there should have the right to go East :-)

So when Ahnold fixes a few things, do they have the right to return? ;-Þ

81 zulubaby  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:43:33pm

Iron Fist (#46)

No mention of me or zulubabe, so it's probably not Yair. Unless he's being crafty.

Gawd, I'd hope that Yair has new fantasies by now. I mean there's only so much we can do, right? :-)

82 zulubaby  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:44:46pm
I wouldn't spill one drop of American blood to keep Kalifornia in the Union (although all sane Americans living there should have the right to go East :-)

Hey! Some of us like the weather out here, mister ;-)

83 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:45:32pm

#77 reaganite

Yep. A nice gentle mixture of sweat from not bathing in days and wearing a nice hemp pullover, a touch of the ol' wacky weed stench, with a hint of cayenne pepper from their last rally. Mmmm, mmm. Also, is the one HWSNBN a four letter nic?

84 Elizabeth  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:47:46pm

#73 Donna V.:

You too? Were you at St.Mildred's, too? Or does every girl's school have an "Eileen Jelly Bean?"

85 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:47:52pm

Oooh, I am so secretive. The one with the 4 letter nic was just mentioned about 5 times. Secret agent man. Secret agent man.

86 reaganite  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:48:31pm

#83 RWC
That would be "midnight pasture"!

Also, is the one HWSNBN a four letter nic?

Nope, an eight letter nic.

87 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:49:43pm

[Deep, sardonic laughter]

Sure, sure.

Even better would be a Moonbat transfer. They're Stalinists, right? (for the most part, anyway :-)

Transfer them to the peaceful Worker’s Paradise that is the Democratic Republic of North Korea.

That should make everybody happy.

:-P

88 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:49:50pm

Charles,

#73 Donna V. wrote damnit without using asterisks.

89 reaganite  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:52:14pm

#87 Iron Fist
Would that cause the creation of the MLO?

90 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 3:59:46pm

#89 reaganite,

No, no, no. We'd be sending them to their natural habitat. They'd be happy as a pig in shit.

Fly free little moonbat, fly free :-)

[Demonic cackling]

(Well except for the gulags and the starvation and all the general dreck that a Stalinist nation embodies. I imagine any survivors wouldn't hate America quite so much if we ever allowed them to return)

91 angela  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:00:11pm

dear diary:
my life is over!!! everybody hates me!!! CJ acts like im not even alive :( i tried talking to him and stuff and he just ignores me and him and his friends just laugh at me. how can i get him to notice me??? i started a blog about him to show him that im interested in what hes interested in, but my frends think its kinda weird. I just want him to like me. WHY WONT HE LIKE ME!!!!**

**All the "i"s are dotted with hearts.

92 jimmytheclaw  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:01:51pm

hmmm kinda reminds me of the good ole days of digging up and modiffying war scripts to nuke people on irc (usually a group of my friends) but then we grew up. now its just posting messages sheesh too bad maybe charles or someone can setup an lgf yahoo chat fight room that way when we get tired of reading we can listen to the howling and seething.

93 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:03:36pm

[Cruel, malevolent laughter]

#91 angela,

That is priceless :-D

Absoultely priceless. You have, indeed, hit the nail on the head.

94 zulubaby  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:05:43pm

angela (#91)

LOL! Perfect.

95 reaganite  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:05:57pm

#90 Iron Fist

(Well except for the gulags and the starvation and all the general dreck that a Stalinist nation embodies. I imagine any survivors wouldn't hate America quite so much if we ever allowed them to return)

Feh, they'd find a way to blame America.

96 Keggin  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:09:48pm

#62:

Shame it's such a coward that he doesn't have comments on its blog

The whiney little wuss has the nerve to get up Charles' nose about redirecting moorlock traffic to the IDF site and he doesn't have comments enabled!!! I guess his knuckle draging pals are facing the challenge of their lives finding LGF on their own???

I won't speak for Charles but I've got to imagine he's got better things to worry about than policeing the kind of hate those vermin are spewing. Why on earth would you want to pay for an express bus load full of loonies to disembark at your front door?? The hypocracy is mind numbing.

97 Joel  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:21:07pm

The Washington Post is "right wing"? Next the Stalinists there will be saying that The New York Times and The Los Angeles Times and Peter Jennings are "pro Zionist."

98 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:23:11pm

angela,

Hey! Maybe you're right, maybe is IS VFI...

On second thought, "F" isn't condescending enough.

99 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:24:44pm

is IS???

mmm, it IS, sorry.

100 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:25:18pm

Crap!

I give up.

101 iagofest  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:27:57pm

#46 Iron Fist,


It can't be Yair. There's no mention of globular clusters.

102 Geepers  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:28:41pm

Charles:"Silly moonbat!" LOL!

scaramouche (#11) LOL.

hanz ze beeman (#17) LOL.

ralph (#31) LOL.

ramadanadingdong (#39) LOL.

Elizabeth (#40) LOL.

Donna V. (#73) LOL.

Right Wing Conspirator (#88) LOL.

angela (#91) LOL.

Thanks everybody I needed that.

103 Jono  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:33:09pm

Its a joke Charles. LGFWatch doesn't have any substance, its run by someone very lazy, and doesn't engage any of your arguments.

Some kind of watch. Very little effort.

Most of the time, he childishly asserts that Charles doesn't like X or Y, or Charles this...

What an eediot.

104 RIP Ford  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:33:48pm

LGF Watch Watch. Someone here deserves a free beer on me. I really needed that laugh today. BRAVO!

105 PDM  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:38:12pm

LFG Watch really needs an open comment section.
Oh, the fun we could have.

106 Mike  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:40:22pm

#56 Allah
LOL..... once again Allah makes me laugh out loud.


Indeed Allah, oh merciful one, how true, inshallah, it is, the jew is if not anything, he is but clever......... what a better move by the master lizard brained illuminati, than to create weak opponent to tear down....... Oh Allah, you are once again the most wise to the way of the Joooooooooos...............

107 Riffemister  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:43:54pm

What is particularly weeniesh about LGF Watch is that you can't post responses to the troglodyte's entries. What a chicken! What a maroon!

The guy can't take criticism -- LGF Watch operator -- you are a witless wimp. May Yasser Arafat waddle with his unwiped ass by your finger-filled nose.

108 quark2yeswehavenobong  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:45:55pm

@65 reaganite

We're expecting to see pictures of this costume you're wearing. *lol

109 Allah  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:48:00pm
Indeed Allah, oh merciful one, how true, inshallah, it is, the jew is if not anything, he is but clever

What is truly sad, glorious Mike, is that there is already a blog that watches LGF. It is called ALLAH IS IN THE HOUSE for those that do not know.

110 Frank IBC  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:56:22pm

LGF Watch

Maybe he thinks you're kinda cute, Charles.

To be followed by...

LGF Dirty Underwear Stealin'

:)

111 J.D.  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:56:30pm

#56 Allan

Obviously the LGF Watch page is a creation of the Satan himself to make his critics appear feeble and barely literate.

It sure as hell works.

#91 angela
Best of show!

112 Frank IBC  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:58:59pm

Uh, just in case there was any doubt, that was "dirty" as in "not fresh out of the laundry", not "dirty" as in, uh, "dirty".

We Lizardoids of course have impeccable hygeine.

:)

113 Ed Moran: 1/8th Jewish Where it Counts  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 4:59:27pm

hey Kids, pre-emptive post for my pet troll, who follows me around various threads.

This is a cut and paste job, my finers get tired.


van Hilten

I don't know why you insist that my saying the IRA, which best I can tell is barely more than an afterthought these days ( I don't follow Ireland or Ulster much at all, after all Washington, DC has more murders in a year than they do in several) isn't a Catholic terrorist group is somehow a defense of the IRA.

The drug cartels in Colombia, I'm sure, are composed of primarily of people baptized Catholic, are you telling me the FARC is an army seeking to impose Vatican rule there?

I will say that from my limited knowledge, the British govt. during the famines in the 1800s, at best, turned the other way while tens of thousands starved. I don't recall saying that I thought that was justification for terror bombings 100 years later. The point about the IRA calling in warnings for most of their attacks was only to contrast that with Islamic terror bombings, whose primary goal was maximizing casualties.

Only a simple mind like yours would interpret that as an endorsement of the IRA.

Yes, I think you are either purposely noxious, a bigot, or just noxiously stupid.

Cocksucker just seems to fit you, it is not meant to imply that you are a homosexual, since the vast majority of homosexuals are smarter and less obnoxious than you.

Noticed you trolling the other threads looking for me. Isn't that special, my own pet troll.

114 Donna V.  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:02:11pm

Elizabeth: I went to Sacred Heart of Jesus. Different school, same Eileen Jelly Bean (or her clone):-)

#88 Rightwing conspirator:

#73 Donna V. wrote damnit without using asterisks.

SNITCH!!!

[Stamps foot, pouts, sticks out tongue]

;-D

115 Mrs. Allah, AKA Frank IBC  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:02:18pm

#109 -

Allah HAD BETTER be "in the house", or else Mrs. Allah will have to start "Allah Watch".

:)

116 Rayra the Registered Independent  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:03:12pm
#97 Joel 10/28/2003 06:21PM PST
The Washington Post is "right wing"? Next the Stalinists there will be saying that The New York Times and The Los Angeles Times and Peter Jennings are "pro Zionist."


heh. they already are. Any given day on DU, you can find a thread calling those news agencies part of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.
That's how FAR LEFT most of those LLLoons are.

117 Model4  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:03:16pm

I don't think Mr LGF Watch has as much to fear from anti-idiotarian commenters, though they'd surely show him for the pathetic fool he is. He knows that the type of person who'd find common cause would be of the "O Brother Hitler, why did you not finish the job?" and "Assassinate the administration!" variety.

But you could try and prove me wrong, Scooter, by turning 'em on. Unmoderated.

118 PDM  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:04:26pm

Mrs. Allah, AKA Frank IBC,

We need an Allahcam.

119 Ed Moran: 1/8th Jewish Where it Counts  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:04:39pm

I listened to Pacifica radio for a this afternoon whilst stuck in traffic. There are very close at the bottom end of the FM dial to NPR, and it sometimes takes a while to tell them apart.


In Taos, New Mexico, several dozen peace protestors gathered at the edge of the property where Vice President Cheney Sunday, to protest the occupation of Iraq. It didn't matter that Cheney, or anyone else, was there. "Free Speech Radio News" did interviews with several of the protestors. One woman said she couldn't make the rally in DC the previous day because "some of us have jobs".

I don't know why, that struck me as mildly humorous, in a vaguely ironic way.

120 Geepers  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:11:05pm

'Well, You Try To Reconstruct Iraq,' Says U.S. Defensive Dept.

"Well, it looks like you American people have figured it all out, then," the statement read in part. "There's no need for the old government to do anything, because the citizens know just how to handle this whole reconstruction-of-Iraq thing. Well, go ahead! If it's so simple, and if you're so smart, then what's stopping you? Come on."

"Oh, gosh!" the statement continued. "Wait! It looks like Iraq is a whole big country! And it seems that someone just fought a war there, to oust a despotic regime! So, gee, this might take a while, huh?"

"Oh, dear!" Pettibone said. "It's taking a little bit more time than expected. Maybe the U.S. military should quit, huh? Then you could do the job for them, Mr. and Mrs. American Genius. Go ahead!"

"In fact, I'll pay for it!" said Pettibone, extending his wallet toward the assembled press corps. "Here! Here's, let's see, $49. Go ahead! Rebuild the infrastructure! Find the weapons of mass destruction! Keep the peace! What? This $49 isn't enough? Do you wish you had, say, about $87 billion to use right now? Well, well, well. How quickly things change."

I'm just waiting for the day it happens.

121 Frank IBC  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:11:32pm

Maybe some of those idiot "peace activists" can engage in constructive dialogue with the fires in California?

122 Allah  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:12:43pm
Mrs. Allah, AKA Frank IBC--We need an Allahcam.

Ah, that would be exciting indeed, kufr. Watch Allah sit at his computer and type for awhile! Watch Allah sit on the couch watching TV! Watch Allah sit at his computer and type for awhile! . . .

123 Model4  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:13:12pm

Whoah! Saw the photo on Allah's blog before and thought it was a Photoshop. Didn't know it was the real deal. Guess when you start with a low IQ, anger management issues, hostility towards women and a sense of victimhood of nebulous origin, Islam starts to sound pretty good. Dozens of professionals punching you in the head probably helps things along.

Amazing how the ability to win evaporated after submitting to the Moon God. Well, not really.

124 speedster1  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:13:25pm

#23 emo

From the article on the ISM'er:

Doctors expect him never to recover from the severe brain damage he suffered.

Ummm, was that before or after he took the bullet?

As for LGF Watch, the BEST part is that there are no comments: it's the blogosphere equivalent of the peaceniks (who are so terrified that Ashcroft, et al are going to confiscate their 1st Amendment rights) who won't let Evan & Co tape their precious rallies. Sheesh!

125 Connecticut Yankee  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:17:07pm

#61 reaganite

Don't forget the Birkenstocks!

126 Mrs. Allah, AKA Frank IBC  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:18:45pm
Mrs. Allah, AKA Frank IBC--We need an Allahcam.

Ah, that would be exciting indeed, kufr. Watch Allah sit at his computer and type for awhile! Watch Allah sit on the couch watching TV! Watch Allah sit at his computer and type for awhile! . . .

Mrs. Allah would really rather watch Allah do the dishes and take out the trash. Oh, and maybe pick up Allah's dirty socks off Allah's floor.

127 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:19:11pm

#121 Frank IBC

Maybe some of those idiot "peace activists" can engage in constructive dialogue with the fires in California?

Speaking of which, I just got back from bringing my 86 year old Gramma down the mountain from Big Bear Lake and things are starting to look grim up there.

I'd like to get the fuckwads that started that fire and light them up with road flares and see how they like it.

I'm really pissed.

128 PDM  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:19:21pm

#122 Allah,

Ah, that would be exciting indeed, kufr. Watch Allah sit at his computer and type for awhile! Watch Allah sit on the couch watching TV! Watch Allah sit at his computer and type for awhile! . . .

What about all of those virgins up (or down) there that you hand out to your jihadis?
Watching TV and ROP... MA.

129 Judith Gordon  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:23:43pm

Ooooohhhhh!!!! I'm not only ruling the world and oppressing Muslims and running the media and the US government. Now I'm a rabid racist.

(Gleefully rubbing my hands together.) Where can I buy some froth at the mouth foam for my rabid racist Holloween costume. Maybe my husband will dress up as a LLL so I can pretend to bite him while we trick or treat. That might be even more fun than dressing up as St Pancake!

130 Lizardoid Minion #32603  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:25:12pm

Um, Blogspot doesn't come with comments, so you actually need a functioning brain cell or two to set them up. Clearly a high hurdle for our moonbat.

131 Allah  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:32:16pm

#123:

Amazing how the ability to win evaporated after submitting to the Moon God. Well, not really.

Oho! Well, you know what they say, kufr: "God loves a loser." Or is it "God loves children"? No, it cannot be "children"; Allah's entry from this afternoon disproves that pretty conclusively. Is it "God loves sports," maybe? Whatever, you know what Allah means.

#126:

Mrs. Allah would really rather watch Allah do the dishes and take out the trash. Oh, and maybe pick up Allah's dirty socks off Allah's floor.

WOMAN! Perhaps Allah would have the energy to pick up his socks if he was not always chauffering someone's annoying mother around town. And perhaps he would have the strength to take out the trash if his food did not always have a crusty black shell from OVERCOOKING.

Sigh. If only there was a Mrs. Allah. This whole jihad thing might blow over!

#128:

What about all of those virgins up (or down) there that you hand out to your jihadis?

That is more of a self-serve thing, kufr. The shahids pay after they, er, "pump."

132 Andjam  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:32:19pm

Charles,

Why redirect traffic from LGFwatch to some other web site? It's not as if they can't cut and paste the hyperlink to the address bar ... well at least most of them can.

133 Dar ul Harbarian  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:33:33pm

Dear LGF watch:

You don't have a comment section so I will say this here.

Bite my toilet biscuits.

Looking at your site was 15 seconds of my life I will never be able to get back but I got a brief chuckle.

You page is laughable and raspberry inducing.

Enjoy obscurity.

134 Andjam  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:37:20pm

(From LGFwatch)

Looks like a clear case of double standards to me. What do you say?

And how would we say it to you? You don't allow comments or provide an email address.

As gutless as Tim B Liar (watcher of Tim Blair)

135 Tasty Beverage  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:40:08pm

#122 Allah

Ah, that would be exciting indeed, kufr. Watch Allah sit at his computer and type for awhile! Watch Allah sit on the couch watching TV! Watch Allah sit at his computer and type for awhile! . . .

Actually, I'd like to watch what happens when Allah feels a little funny in the pants...and witness the most glorious, most magnificent wang tent Allah's jammies.

136 QueenEsther  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 5:52:37pm

Candidate sure to get the political endorsement of LGF Watch:

Satan's spawn seeks public office in Idaho

137 therien@aol.com  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:06:48pm

OT -

Polite request for advice/assistance

Sorry, this is really OT, and I really don't want to waste Charles' space with replies--so e-mails would definitely be appreciated.

I'm in my last quarter at a public school on the left coast, finishing a post-bac in English. My final class is a thesis seminar titled something like: "Impact of English literature in a global, multicultural, context."

Last week we read Eliot's "Daniel Deronda" and discussed what a racist imperialist book it was. (I didn't agree.) This week we discussed Edward Said's "Zionism from the standpoint of Its Victims" chapter from "The Question of Palestine."

Of course, the class was astounded at what horrible imperialist colonizers the Zionists were, and how the Jews kicked the "Palestinians" off their land and kept the "Palestinian People" from having their own state.

I got shut down. I tried to point out that there were some definite weaknesses in the scholastic methodology of Said's piece, that Said created a fantastic conspiracy from ad hoc historical facts and misappropriated intellectual material.
I was told in no uncertain terms by the woman that teaches this section that my point was out of line because I was making "vague generalizations."

I pointed out that the intellectual debate over "Orientalism" could be applied to "Zionism," because Said effectively condenses the same argument into a smaller theater, pointing the blame at Zionists for the same reasons as "Western Imperialism."
I got shut down because I was attempting to "invalidate" Said's work, rather than "responding to it in a literary fashion."

I noted that many points in Said's chapter "Zionism from the Standpoint of Its Victims" were quite untrue, because Arab-Israelis have the same rights as Jewish-Israelis, except for compulsory military service. I was told that the "right of return" denied to relatives of Arab-Israelis was abundant evidence of unequal civil rights, and that my attempts to "pick apart Said's polemic" was "not cool" and "inappropriate."

All this, in front of my peers. So much for freedom of intellectual inquiry.

So here's what I'm looking at: It became quite clear that the teacher and class were unwilling, like Said, to tolerate anything less than the dissolution of the Jewish National Home. It seems, in their minds, that ANY appropriation of "palestinian" land, by any means, was a validation of Said's points about Zionist oppressors. So it looks like if Israel exists, Said was right--and I'm banned from presenting evidence that mitigates Israel's position.


With the above limitations on the type of thesis I can come up with, next week I'm going to submit a thesis prospectus that will describe an analysis of the bias and relative legitimacy of Said's critique of Zionism, and by extension, Israel. I may get crapped on for a grade, but I'm ready to take it to the top with an appeal.

I've read Bernard Lewis' criticism, and Ibn Warraq's scathing rebuttal, and many of the other online critiques of "Orientalism," but what I need is suggestions or advice for an ironclad argument for the existence of a Jewish National Home--in lieu of the L(3) crap that says that anybody already in a place owns it forever and ever, and the bloodthirsty actions of the "palestinians" are completely justified because the Jews took their land.

Oh, but I can't condemn moral relativism, because this is a post-postmodern class, and even though "morals" are wrong Satya Mohanty just discovered "aesthetic, objective value."

G-d, it really looks like I'm going to have to take this one from the ground up, doesn't it? Any ideas would be welcome.

-Thomas

138 RIP Ford  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:16:24pm

#131 Allah

LOL!

139 quark2yeswehavewildhogsinthegarden!  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:19:08pm

@135 Tasty Beverage


*LMAO!

How big do you suppose Allah's wang tent gets?

Oh Allah, for you a blessed occurance. There will be snorking flying pigs in the lands of the Jews to foil your boomer plans of 72 raisins for each head banger who supplicants to you!

140 steve miller Yes I do have a REAL JOB  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:19:14pm

Allahwife?

When do we see Allahbaby?

(the mind shudders)

141 steve miller Yes I do have a REAL JOB  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:20:27pm

And I'd like to again point out that the ILGWU site is missing globular clusters and therefore is only imaginary.

142 Ball Peen Hammer  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:20:52pm

LGF Watch:

You are a little chirping bird.

143 Teacake  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:21:13pm

Thomas - you are brave and courageous and I have a feeling you are headed for great things in life. As long as there are young men like you, truth will not be snuffed out by so much darkness.

144 steve miller Yes I do have a REAL JOB  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:22:42pm

How come ILGWU never mentions ME? I think I deserve something. If not my own watch, then maybe just a few random houris on the dial.

/self-satisifed about that pun

145 ND MN TX  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:25:46pm

or maybe Steve Miller needs a few more dials on the hours

/s off

146 Allah  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:27:53pm
Actually, I'd like to watch what happens when Allah feels a little funny in the pants...and witness the most glorious, most magnificent wang tent Allah's jammies.

No you would not, tasty infidel. The magnificence of Allah's jimmy stick is such that the mere sight of it would cause your heart to stop. Allah has tried it with many women and always the reaction is the same: Coronary. Unless and until Allah warms up to the necro thing, he is just going to have to keep his "djinn" in its "bottle."

147 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:28:09pm

I've just received word from the GZC that anyone who gets noticed by the LGF watch (by being quoted, made an example of, etc) will receive a bonus in their monthly stipend.

ALL HAIL THE GZC!!!!

148 steve miller Yes I do have a REAL JOB  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:29:48pm

I'm thinking of starting a Watch on the Seethe and Whine.

But I fear it would quickly bloom to huge proportions, similar to the extremely large inferiority complex of certain people who shall remain nameless due to the oversight of the ILGWU blog.

And I'm not going to comment on the dial/hours retort. Mostly because it's cleverer than my own weak pun.

As I said to my avocado, no one expects the Spanish deposition.

149 quark2  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:31:33pm

@140 steve miller et al,

Hey! Welcome back guy. :)

Now what do you figure allahbabies look like? *lol

150 quark2  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:35:35pm

How about Whines and Cheese for the Watch?
Those houris for your watch are much to dial for!

151 steve miller Yes I do have a REAL JOB  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:44:15pm

I'm thinking of writing an automated news reporter for ME conflicts:

OCCUPIED JERUSALEM: Today Islamic/ Islamic/ Islamic/ Islamic militants/ terrorists/ protestors/ niqab-clad ullulating women shot/ bombed/ killed/ ambushed/ spraypainted 22/ 39/ 41/ 3,092 Jews/ Americans/ Jews/ Sudanese/ Jews/ Kenyans/ Jews/ Hindus/ Jews/ Iraqis/ Jews in what many see as another example of escalating violence in the Mideast/ a reaction to the clampdown of the Israelis upon Palestinians/ a further example of reaction to Israeli intransigence/ proof that seething and whining are a fact of life in the ME. Said spokesman Ibrahim Hooper/ Sami Al-Arian/ Saeb Erekat "It's not fair that the Jews have all the weapons and all we have to fight back with are children/ boys/ women/ babies/ donkeys strapped with high explosives/ bombs/ military armaments/ lots of Roman candles. When the Jews finally leave Jerusalem/ leave Palestine/ leave the Middle East/ leave the planet, then there will be peace." Residents of Nablus/ Gaza City/ Rafah/ Ramallah/ Motel 6 angrily protested/ threw rocks/ lit Molotov cocktails/ burned flags/ cheated at Monopoly in response to Israeli intransgigence/ resistance/ refusal to simply die and go away. "If only the Jews would realize that Islam means peace/ dhimmitude/ servitude/ submission/ 404 not found and that their best course of action is to negotiate with us/ surrender their children to Moloch/ die in mass suicide, then we would find true peace in Palestine/ Middle East/ France/ Europe/ Malaysia," said Arafat/ Assad/ Hussein/ Mubarak/ Mathatir.

What do you think? Have I captured the essence?

152 steve miller  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:48:39pm

This just in:

Islamist seethe, whine. Film at 11.

153 steve miller  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:49:14pm

Correction: Islamists

154 quark2  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:55:15pm

@151 steve miller

*LOL !!
That is hilarious! And so true.

155 Model4  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:02:36pm

#137 therien@aol.com: You're going at it uphill when you say "Why should there be a Jewish national home." Why should there be an American one, or French, or Saudi, or Nigerian? All other nations are entitled to sovereignty and borders based on nothing more than military might and tradition. Israel has both, plus the added legitimacy of being created with the agreement of other nations in the world.

I'd explore this double standard, and what it says about members of other nations who wish to retro-actively destroy a nation their leaders created after murdering these people out of their countries. How much land are the Jews entitled to in Germany and France, for instance, and what's the concensus on their "right of return."

You're probably aware of the anecdote from Harvard, I believe, when a discussion was being held on limiting the admission of Jews.
Person A: "Jews are bad for the institution, because everyone knows their students cheat."
Person B: "But non-Jews cheat as well."
Person A: "Don't change the subject. We're talking about the Jews."

You could ask who the ruler(s) of "Palestine" were before modern Israel was created. What was their national anthem? Why were they murdered out of Jordan? Why are they not allowed to become citizens of any neighboring Arab state? Why is the PLO's call to a return of the 1967 borders listened to, when the group was created in 1964? What is legitimate about the orginization "Conquest" (Fatah in Arabic).

But you probably already know all of this. There are still flat-Earthers out there. They don't want to listen to facts, they won't. Be sure to casually and indifferently let the libs in the class eat some of their buzzwords and catch-phrases if they don't want you to be heard. "No room for diversity of opinion here" "Aren't we being awfully judgemental and one-sided?" "I'm not comfortable condemning the democracy where Arabs and Jews have rights and freedoms, even though most seem to be siding with the right-wing fundamentalists that border her." Talk to some of your local talk radio DJs about your experiences, see if they'd find the story interview-worthy. Just about every school is screaming for increased spending, and the community loves to hear how their tuition and taxes are being used. And get a copy of F.I.R.E.'s book, and leave it on top of your stack wherever you go.

Good luck.

156 therien@aol.com  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:22:13pm

Teacake- Thanks, I'll give it my best shot!

Model4-
As always, well reasoned and valid points. I've thought about exploring the presupposition of a Palestinian "nation" or national identity--you're right, that might be a good end run around the blockade against dissenting opinions. I explored the "double standard" Said shows in condemning only certain kinds of imperialism and colonialism, but couldn't make it stick in class. I can probably do better on paper, and I might have a better chance there because the papers are largely peer-reviewed.
Thanks again, and take care.

157 dgd  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:35:53pm

#156 therien@aol.com

Or you could dress up like one of Arafats thugs, say your say and if someone disagrees tell them to shut the f**k up. Seems to work for the thugs. Don't know if kalishnakovs are O.K. in your school but as part of an "ethnic costume" you might get by with it.

158 jamuka  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:37:21pm

Has anybody wondered that maybe Charles himself is behind this? Am I right Charles....HE HE HE!!

159 Model4  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:41:21pm

#158 jamuka: The thought crossed my mind briefly that he could be behind our troll lena yesterday, because she was like a caricature of one. Thought just maybe the boss-man was blowing off a little steam and having a yuk yanking our chains briefly. Ah, but his conspiracies would likely be deeper and far more subtle than that. In fact (eyes narrowing) how do we know that you aren't really him? Hmmm.


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You're most welcome Therien. You'll make us proud, no doubt about that.

160 AJ  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:45:27pm

Another stupid watch blog is sullywatch


[Link: sullywatch.blogspot.com...]

I would make a sully watch watch, but I'm too lazy

161 Jewels (aka Julian)  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:52:19pm

but who watches the Watchman, LGFWatch?

162 yael  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:56:47pm

Thank you so much, Charles. We laughed and laughed. That was hilarious. Incredibly good job.

163 Fay  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:12:33pm

#151 Steve Miller

You got it in a nutshell. Absolutely hilarious, thanks!

164 Poly  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:19:03pm

#137 therien@aol.com

Thomas,

I'm sure I speak for many here when I say that i'd love to see the peice when you're finished.

The focus of many of my classes this term have questioned the concept of nationalism in the first place, as so many nation states are products of the latter half of the twentieth century.

Which falls so nicely in line with Said's argument. Fact is that as much as Palestinians may be an indigenous people, they are not indigenous to "Palestine", they are indigenous to the Middle East, as all other Sunni Muslims are. Sunni Muslims are a majority in Jordan, which is today governed by the British-instated Shi'ite prince. The location of Palestinians in a disputed part of modern-day Israel is not unlike the location of muslims and hindus in post-colonial Pakistan/India, in that it's simply an unfortunate consequence of being on the wrong side of drawn-up borders.

Fact is, imperialism is a consequence of the 20th century we just have to deal with. Discounting Israel as simply having roots in "evil" 19 & 20th century imperialism without noting that the Jewish people were thought, by the United Nations, to have a legitimate reason to be granted a sovereign nation state at the same time as nation states were popping up all over the world as a solution to the first and second world wars. Nation states in the Middle East are just as "constructed" as a Jewish Nation state is - so if Israel shouldn't have a place in the Middle East, neither should the leadership of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt et al...

Moreover, there is a legitimate claim to Jewish sovereignity, particularly because of the threats to the lives of Jews in Europe last century.

Probably nothing you don't know already, I think you touched on those points, but I hate hearing these types of stories. Kol Hakavod for being so courageous, and all the best of luck.

165 Poly  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:22:44pm

also, on topic: particularly ingenius to redirect incoming links from LGF watch to the IDF Israel website.

Particularly funny that the LGF watch blogger has to paste all urls to be linked rather than link directly, to avoid readers having to visit the evil website of the evil Israeli Defence Force

166 jimmytheclaw  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:30:02pm

good thing to point out to teetering lll types just about everything americans or israeli's are accused of by the muslim arabs are exactly what the muslim arabs are guilty of doing wish more reporters would point this out anybody care to make up a list of these things

167 therien@aol.com  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:44:53pm

Poly-
Thanks, I'm much of the same mind. If only our courses could get over this completely negative conceptualization of how the world simply *is*, we might really be able to make some intellectual progress. As it is, Said and the Saidists have hijacked the true liberal intellectual tradition and we might not get it back without fighting for it.

As you say, the question can be one of WHY a nation for the Palestinians, but not for Israel? For that matter, is there any reason to believe that the "Palestinians" would ever have evolved a national identity (and why would somebody from the L(3) want such a *horrible* thing!?) without the advent of Israel?
Yes, on one hand the "Palestinians" were cast out and made vagrant by the Arab war against Israel, and yes, on the other hand the "Palestinians" were very much made the scapegoats of the Arab cause against Israel.

For that matter, Said never made adequate answer to the rebuttals of Lewis, Warraq, and others, as to WHY Palestinian nationalism is good, Israeli (and "Western") nationalism is bad, but the imperial, nationalistic, endeavors of Nazi Germany, Tsarist and Communist Russia, and even the Ottoman Empire go without notice in his text. This is a glaring inconsistency, and his argument lacks parsimony.

Ah, the fuel is thick. Yes, I'll definitely post my essay, or at least a link to it on another site.

Thanks, and best regards,
Thomas

168 therien@aol.com  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:48:02pm

But wait, isn't Hussein of Jordan Sunni? And I think the 1921-22 creation of trans-Jordan from the British Mandate for Palestine was supposed to be a "palestinian" home, because it was closed to Jewish settlement.

169 Tasty Beverage  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:52:43pm

#139 quark2

How big do you suppose Allah's wang tent gets?

Oh, I don't know...Everest size proportions.............:)

Just to clarify, the quote should have read magnificent wang as it tents Allah's jammies.

:)

The magnificence of Allah's jimmy stick is such that the mere sight of it would cause your heart to stop. Allah has tried it with many women and always the reaction is the same: Coronary

Swoons

Allah, the most merciful, the most beneficent, you are welcome on my doorstep.

Let us pray.....

170 zulubaby  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 9:02:19pm

Sheesh, who got Allah all worked up like that, and I don't understand, is Frank IBC Mrs. Allah!? Nothing is making sense to me right now but that may be the alcohol getting in my way.

steve miller (#151)

LOL! That's a keeper.

171 Poly  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 10:52:55pm

#168 therien@aol.com

Jordan is majority Sunni Muslim, which is essentially the same brand of Islam practised by the Palestinians.

British Mandate originally moved towards the creation of a Jewish state in trans-jordan, a particularly good source is the writings of Ze'ev Jabostinsky, who held onto the belief that that entire area should be the Jewish state (if you've never read any Jabotinsky i would recommend it, particularly his "Iron Wall" theory in relation to the current security wall). Naturally he was writing in a different time, and particularly a time where it looked feasible that Israel would be granted the larger piece of land under the British mandate.

My knowledge dictates that the Brits wanted to thank the displaced Hashemite Kingdom for help against the Ottoman Empire in WW1, so therefore declared King Hussein I, shi'ite muslim and hashemite prince, king of Jordan. It would probably be pertinent to do some research into that and the hashemites. Maybe he is sunni, I remember reading that the leadership of Jordan is essentially quite different to the population. Either way, i'm sure it's a good starting point for your research.

There's little doubt that Jordan was closed to Jewish immigration, but what's more pertinent is that it wasn't open to absorbing the Sunni muslims local to Palestine (current palestinians) during conflicts with Israel, and refused to negotiate with Israel regarding the welfare of the West Bank arabs post 1967.

172 Viking the Kitten  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 2:37:19am

Damb. What's really annoying is that LGF Watch is all about Charles. Hey, what about the rest of us hatred-spewing Zionazis? Huh? What would LGF be without Right Wing Conspirator? Ed Moran:With All The Titles After the Colon? Reaganite? Colt? Shiplord Kirel? SoCalJustice? Zulubabe? And all the rest? It's like having "Match Game Watch" and only focusing on Gene Rayburn, when in fact, it was the chemistry between Brett Sommers and Charles Nelson Reilly that really made the show sizzle!

But, no, the Watcher only has eyes for Charles. (sigh)

173 USMC VV  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 2:48:08am

I'm a "Creepy Minion" ? Cooool!! Bwahahaha!

174 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 3:44:22am

The great and powerful F has posted another about the evils that go on here and ends his post:

if you ask us...

Oh enlightened one, how we long to ask you, but for the lack of comments or a contact email address. WHY DO YOU MOCK US SO!!!!!

175 Frank IBC  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 3:52:04am

Zulubaby -

Frank IBC is normally the most virile of men, but due to the solar storm, the spirit of Mrs. Allah temporarily took refuge in Frank IBC's Temple of a Body.

Before Mrs. Allah departed, Mrs. Allah wished to add that Allah is quite the optimist, but Mrs. Allah does not care to elaborate further, citing a recent incident of a thunderbolt followed by the utterance on high, "THAT'S FOR KNOWING THE DIFFERENCE!"

176 steve miller the bane of Ed Moran, Name-Shifter  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 4:39:44am

The sad part about the post at #151 is that it was TOO EASY.

Poor Islamists. They don't even realize how BORING and PREDICTABLE their whining is.

177 dr.dna  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 5:10:13am

er.. what exactly is LGFWatch's point? Was that supposed to be criticism? Proving Charles wrong? It was the most boring 5 minutes I've ever spent reading a blog.

178 Lovebeingwatched  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 5:26:00am

Congrats to LGF- the new media complete with its own media watchgroup. Very very flattering really.

179 Frank IBC  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 5:32:03am

Whew, glad that crazy B is finally out of my Temple of a Body! :)

180 ladyinfidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 5:58:17am

LoL @ LGF Watch

Must have a thing for you Charles.

Reminds me of a bumper sticker on a teens car I saw this morning while taking my kid to school.....

If you are going to ride my ass......At Least....Pull my hair !!

181 zulubaby  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 7:07:41am

Frank IBC (#175)

Before Mrs. Allah departed, Mrs. Allah wished to add that Allah is quite the optimist, but Mrs. Allah does not care to elaborate further ...

You're a brave man for saying that about Allah -- you know what he's like when he's pissed off and I can't imagine he'll be pleased with what you've written. In any event, I'm happy to hear that your Temple of a Body is all yours again :-)

182 Frank IBC  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 7:11:32am

Allah has my sympathy, now that I know what Allah has had to put up with these last 1400 years. :)

183 Frank IBC  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 7:13:34am

Trust me, the sight of Mrs. Allah, holding a rolling pin the size of Mount Arafat, is not a pleasant one to behold. :)

184 Adam930  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 10:19:05am

Did you see the other watches' they have?
Instapunditwatch, Horowitzwatch.. etc.

Here's an idea, people who don't have a life watch. With the purpose of watching people who make websites to watch other websites.

Someone should tell these people that the internet is a tool not a home.

185 Frank IBC  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 11:03:38am

I can understand "watching" a whole bunch of people (which is what we do, and we do it damned well), but the idea of one person watching a single other person (one-to-one, onto, etc.), is beyond me. The latter would seem to have some serious identity problems.

Also the arrogance of it. I mean, when you think about it, all you have to do to "watch" LGF, Instapundit, Suliban, er, Sullivan, is to just go to those sites yourself, and "watch" them yourself, rather than have some idiotic third-party spoon-feed you what you're supposed to think about them.

186 Frank IBC  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 11:06:25am

Reminds me of a caption from a pr0n video...

"They hid behind the two-way mirror in the locker room, watching the other patrons watch themselves.."

187 zulubaby  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 4:27:37pm
Reminds me of a caption from a pr0n video...

Oh reeeally?

188 Frank IBC  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 6:53:58pm

From what a friend of a friend of a friend told me, I swear... :)

189 zulubaby  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 7:05:56pm

Frank IBC, what kind of friends do you have that have friends that have friends that watch pr0n!? You're not a very good liar, are you? :-)


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