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Hope for the Future

Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 8:41:05 pm PST

In a new CNN/USA Today/ Gallup poll, young Americans are more positive toward George W. Bush than their elders. (Hat tip: NC.) CNN, of course, tries their best to put a negative spin on these poll results, quoting some incredibly patronizing comments from Crossfire moonbat Paul Begala:

"Crossfire" co-host Paul Begala said: "If ignorance is bliss, then young voters are the happiest folks in America."

"One of the things that comes out of the CNN poll here is that they are three times less likely than their older peers to be plugged into issues and ideas. They are our future and they are hopelessly ill-informed," he said.
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1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:50:01pm

Trust CNN to make the death of the Hippie Legacy of the sixties and seventies sound like a bad thing. The younger generation has grown up with hijacking, terrorism, and the trashing of the U.S. worldwide and are finally getting fed up with it. Thank God. Hope this keeps up, I fell better about the future.

2 K.  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:51:36pm

62% of American kids look up to Dubya?! Am I the only regular LGF reader who finds this very depressing?

3 FH  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:51:37pm

CNN bias watch anyone?


But seriously, saying young people are stupid is something that threatens the LLL viewpoint, if they actually thought about it. Remember "never trust anyone over 30?"

4 Elizabeth  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:53:03pm

Well, Paula would say that, wouldn't she. What would she know; she hasn't been 16 for so long she's forgotten there is such a thing as youth!

5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:56:35pm

Plus allow me to fisk the CNN article:

Overall, younger Americans don't follow politics as closely as older Americans.

I'm used to seeing these kinds of excuses to the facts in Arab and openly left wing media. CNN usually hides it a little better.

6 The Ramblin' Wreck  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 6:57:05pm

Ahh, youth. To be young again...

Wait, I'm 20. w00t!

Nice to be in the majority once more.

7 quark2  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:00:16pm

It means the minds of our younger generations aren't so dumbed down as we suspected. It means this country still has a chance of survival out of this war on our civilization.

8 FH  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:00:30pm

Actually, the thing that got me was toward the end, about 54% of youngsters believing minorities should keep their own culture. This is disturbing, considering just how dangerous multi-culti is these days for us. Work needs to be done.

9 Cybrludite  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:00:48pm

Nice. Don't even try & convince them that they're wrong. Just call them idiots for not parroting the party line. That'll convert 'em... (As opposed to us calling our opponents idiots for constantly falling back on policies that have failed every time they've been used.)

10 K.  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:01:05pm
CNN, of course, tries their best to put a negative spin on these poll results, quoting some incredibly patronizing comments from Crossfire moonbat Paul Begala

Well, further down they also quote the tool Tucker Carlson.

11 HULUGU  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:01:30pm

as i've said before the defining moment of this young generation is 9/11 not the tet offensive--but the editors at cnn-who sucked tariq aziz's micropecker for access are stuck in the mental quagmire of the 60's counterculture so they can't believe you can be hip and right-wing--even scoring acceptably hot pussy if you can maintain a logical argument as well as an erection--oy am i jaded or what

12 jamuka  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:02:34pm

Charles, I think you should conduct your own polls.
#2, I think Dubya's the best thing America has got right now. Kraga #1, I think your analysis is spot on.

13 William  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:06:29pm

Speaking of "ignorance is bliss", Democrat Senator John Kerry (who just voted AGAINST funding the troops he voted to send into battle last October) claimed during Sunday night's Democratic candidate debate:

"This president has done it wrong every step of the way. He promised that he would have a real coalition. He has a fraudulent coalition."
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Except for Canada (who today has a military so insignificant, they could not even staff America's aircraft carrier fleet) the "fraudulent" coalition that liberated Iraq, is the very same coalition that landed in Normandy on D-Day in 1944.
 

14 tomcat  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:06:49pm

...but for Israel
Eurocrats and NATOcrats Plan Israel’s NON-FUTURE
[Link: www.debka.com...]

15 William  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:14:20pm

Well, further down they also quote the tool Tucker Carlson.

They don't quote anyone when they denigrate "younger voters" in the third paragraph: "Overall, younger Americans don't follow politics as closely as older Americans."

This is junk journalism.
 

16 Model4  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:17:34pm

I love how Begala just can't help but being a smarmy little bitch. No, really, because he doesn't realize how much damage he does to his side just to get his little jibes in. Any idea how creepy it is for the youth to see that, what, 50 yr old light bulb in a suit try to talk like a 19-yr old?

Liberals have always had better support from the young. As they age and wisen, they drift away to the conservative side, not to return. That alone speaks volumes. For him to take the attitude that they're dumb and uninformed (after liberals have owned educational institutions for decades) is not a smart move. Conservatives will get 80% of those kids eventually, he's just accelerating the process.

Kids today likely roll their eyes about the dour stories about the Vietnam/civil rights era like his generation did upon hearing stories from the Great Depression from their elders. And what's hipper than a balding market-droid power-broker on cable news? Conservatives today have the energy, the desire to change things for the better, and a more positive upbeat personalities. Hell, liberals and hippies are fodder for derision and mockery in the pop-culture, from SNL to The Simpsons to South Park.

Yes Paul, your canoe does seem to be taking on water. I'm just laughing because you think pissing in it will make things better.

17 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:17:43pm

Looks like the compulsive narcissists of the boomer generation are finally losing their grip, and it has them in the same panic that marks the decline of all authoritarians.
I will enjoy seeing these clueless moonbats in 20 years-gibbering toothless codgers losing their train of thought halfway through a glittering generality, coughing up self-righteous paradoxes between puffs on their oxygen cannuli, and trying to get in the nurse's pants all at the same time.

18 William  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:21:56pm

By the way, this is a "Rock The Vote" poll.

When one looks at the rockthevote.com website, and clicks "Issues" the following items are displayed:

- Free Expression
- Violence (crime)
- Environment
- Education
- Economy
- Debt

Do these liberal organizations really believe young people don't care about Terrorism and National Security?

This omission is really astonishing (and telling).

Obviously, from the poll results, younger people are somewhat immune to the daily diet of spin and propaganda they receive.
 

19 quark2  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:23:57pm

@14 tomcat

That article is not just hypocritical, but is highly treasonous on the part of the Jews who are involved in this effort. I know Israel does not view the death penalty as an option, but I think the citizens who are involved in this piece of crap need to be held for the highest degree of crime as can be brought against them.
Not only are they advocating the death of Israel as a state in its own right, they are advocating the deaths of its citizens too.
After reading it, it just made me angry and sick at heart.

20 Model4  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:27:48pm

#13 William: Tony Blair and possibly some other British politicians hold the nine Dems lives in the palm of their hands, and the Dems don't even realize it. All it's going to take is a scathing remark to the press that "There are some politicians in America that seem incapable or unwilling to acknowledge our efforts and sacrifice in freeing the people of Iraq. I've attended the funerals of our servicemen who died fighting for liberty, and reject in the strongest terms those who dismiss their heroism by suggesting that the United States faced the enemy alone."

21 gymnast  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:31:16pm

When Paul Begala opens his mouth on CNN even his teeth are false.

22 #19 quark2  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:38:54pm

Tell me. The talk of the dismantling of Israel seems to really get the EUweenies and Nato excited and is bubbling just under the surface. Very scary stuff.

23 tomcat  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:41:54pm

#22 note*

*comment from tomcat
regarding #19 quark2

24 Rayra the Registered Independent  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:49:09pm
#3 FH 10/28/2003 08:51PM PST
But seriously, saying young people are stupid is something that threatens the LLL viewpoint, if they actually thought about it. Remember "never trust anyone over 30?"


Yah, but the people that used to chant that are now over 60.
In fact, ProtestWarriors should carry a sign with a picture of '69 hippies carrying signs saying 'don't trust anyone over 30'.(grin)

And that asshat Begala just repeated the standard LLL-Dem line of late - 'if you disagree with us, you're either part of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy, or woefully ignorant.'
Just look at all the villification of the 'average' voters that occurred immediately following the CA Recall.
PetuLLLant children.

25 K.  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:53:46pm

#15 William

Did you read the next sentence?


Overall, younger Americans don't follow politics as closely as older Americans. While 69 percent of youngsters say they follow politics, 81 percent of Americans 29 and older say they do.

This is what they found in their poll, that young Americans don't follow politics as closely as older Americans.

26 quark2  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 7:54:25pm

It's surreal, the accusations and violence being targetted at Israel, and frightening. The world is turning all of its values and morals into a twisted shape. With this kind of viciousness if they destroyed Israel, it would mean America is next.
They will end up in their madness eating each other. A minimum of homo sapiens might survive the horrendous attack that is going to be launced on man kind globally.

27 tomcat  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:04:50pm

Hitler nationalized the Idea of the Jewish holocaust. The EU and Nato along with the usual culprits are taking it, slowly but surely to the next (final?) level.

28 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:08:52pm

#26 quark 2
It won't come to that. Israel is the rock that will break the Left and end its 40 year reign of cultural terror.

29 tomcat  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:19:57pm

#28 Shiplord Kirel

Read the recent Debka article, see #14 for the link.

30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:25:25pm

And from the Democratic Camp:

Jesse Jackson Stumps for Causes, Not a Candidate

and

Sharpton Calls Dean's Agenda 'Anti-Black'

god ol' Al.

I think the Democrats need to settle their differences Battle Royale style. Throw them on an island, give them all weapons, and the last one alive gets to run. I still wouldn't vote for any of them, but I'd order the pay-per-view.

31 NTropy  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:42:55pm

#2   K.

62% of American kids look up to Dubya?! Am I the only regular LGF reader who finds this very depressing?


Nahhh. I mean, heck! look at all the other options that young people are sure to know about. Oh - wait!
I'm 38 and I can't think of a real alternative right now. Some with future potential maybe but no people who've thrown their hat in the ring so far.

Semi OT
Mallard Fillmore - bottom strip.

*DISCLAIMER* - Crackpot Grain of Salt Theory
Is it any wonder young people are getting more conservative? I mean if that's what support for Bush is anyway. A few tens of millions of potential peers have been aborted. Most of the potential parents would probably have been liberal and would have raised those kids with liberal views. I'm not commenting on the relative merits of abortion but rather the probable values of those undergoing abortions.

32 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:47:11pm

#21 gymnast

When Paul Begala opens his mouth on CNN even his teeth are false.

LOL! The Forehead is so full of shit his "false" teeth are friggin' brown.

Does anyone else here remember how "important" the 20-somethings were in '92, at least according to Begala and the rest of the Clintonistas? What a hypocritical fraud.

33 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:47:44pm

Tomcat,
I am aware of the Euro machinations. More importantly, Sharon and Israeli patriots are acutely aware of them. I think there will be a showdown, the Euro-NATO-Islamofascist plot will fail, and Israel will survive. EU and NATO, on the other hand, might well collapse from the political fallout as this scenario unfolds.

34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 8:56:10pm

I do feel sorry for the EU. A chance for many of these countries to join together into something that could have been great is being highjacked by the Left-wing and anti-semitic/anti-U.S. fanatics. I'm only hoping that Eastern Europe and Britain have the good sennse to pull out before its too late for them. For France, Germany, and much of western and central Europe, I fear it is already too late and they are a lost cause.

35 Jack Frost  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 9:16:51pm

#2
No, I find it very depressing as well. After all, Bush can't even form coherent sentences. He's an embarrasment to Americans everywhere.

36 Jim Sagle  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 9:19:46pm
62% of American kids look up to Dubya?! Am I the only regular LGF reader who finds this very depressing

Not hardly.

37 K.  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 10:07:29pm

#31 NTropy

I don't see any alternatives to Bush either, but this has no bearing on my opinion of him. The man is a halfwit who was brought to power through dynastic succession. This is an affront to American democracy. Thomas Paine is rolling in his grave.

38 PDM  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 10:26:44pm

Sorry if someone else already linked to this one:
Ramadan at the White House

Pathetic

39 teal marie  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 11:00:32pm

k., please,
Bush is not a half wit. I'm glad he isnt glib, had quite enough of that.

40 PeterS  Tue, Oct 28, 2003 11:46:39pm

To k. or whoever.

I've never voted for a Republican in my life. I didn't vote for Bush in this recent election. And yet, I'm completely voting for Bush this time. There isn't any doubt in my mind.

I consider myself to be pretty darn liberal. I'm ok with homosexuality, I don't mind paying reasonable taxes, and I'm a musician. I have a liberal arts degree. I'm one of those artsy types. I don't make a lot of money, but I think I do ok. I rent my home. I'm also an honorably discharged veteran- enlisted.

I also have two small children. I'm also Jewish. I care about the world my kids will grow up in. And I care about my ability to express myself in that world. And for these reasons, I'm abandoning the Democratic party forever.

The Democrats range from ignored and possibly misguided (Lieberman) to offensive (Dean) to completely unacceptable (Sharpton/Kucinich, and for that matter, Clark). They've got nobody. Not only that, they've lost any sense of their values. I watched the debate. I've been watching this crap for like 3 years now.

41 torchy  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 12:17:32am

#2 K- What I find depressing is that 74% of young Americans give Bill Clinton a thumbs-up(thumbs-up where,I can only speculate)as well as the figure #8 FM described to in his comment.It is depressing only 82% of the older group "follow" politics.It's no surprise a lower figure would be discovered in the youth sample. Most young adults aren't compelled to face the issues that normally lead one to "follow" politics.In some cases not until after age 29.They have the liberty of choosing to "follow" politics because of the limited impact politics has on their lifestyles.When they begin to acquire property,appreciable assets and begin to plan further ahead in their lives then politics(building codes,zoning bylaws,higher income tax brackets,use taxes,death taxes,liens,etc,etc), it has more impact,they are compelled to "follow" politics rather than being afforded the luxury to just dabble.I went through mysterious swings of politicality in my teens and 20's but didn't really settle the issue of what politics meant to myself until I was into my 30's.I am surprised to learn the approval rating for Bush was that high in the youth group.I'm heartened by it and perhaps can forgive them for flirting with Clinton worship,radical lifestyles and any other untenable position.We allow our youth that freedom and either by or despite that freedom produce many of the worlds greatest citizens.

42 gymnast  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 12:58:45am

#41, Torchy. Clinton "owns" MTV whereas if Bush is mentioned, (seldom) it is only as an excuse to disparage him and American policy. Clinton is big on the "shake your booty circut" doncha know.

43 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 1:25:47am

#31

Is it any wonder young people are getting more conservative? I mean if that's what support for Bush is anyway. A few tens of millions of potential peers have been aborted. Most of the potential parents would probably have been liberal and would have raised those kids with liberal views. I'm not commenting on the relative merits of abortion but rather the probable values of those undergoing abortions.

Hmmm...evolution in action. Quite ironic considering the religious right are more likely to NOT believe in evolution in additon to not having abortions.

44 Millie Woods  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 1:57:46am

These aging hoity-toities with their adolescent concerns are really too much. What irritates me most about their condescending attitudes is their abuse of the language. Does this twit know what `peer' means? Evidently not - but that isn't stopping fim from trying to sound so learned and superiorby misusing it. Their older peers indeed!

45 JG  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 1:59:39am

#40

Joined your club too.

Two small children, daughter of a concentration camp survivor.

Voting Bush for the first time too

JG

46 J.D.  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 2:01:21am
They are our future and they are hopelessly ill-informed," he said.

Not quite, Paul.


College Student Publishes Book on Clintons' Influence on Teens

Jason Fodeman never liked to talk about the world of politics. But when he realized that no one was talking about how the 42nd president's actions were impacting the behavior of his generation, Fodeman, then 17, decided it was time to speak up.

"The president is a role model, a person that many kids dream of becoming," said Fodeman, now 19 and a sophomore at The Johns Hopkins University. "I thought, he has all this power, but he has no morals. Is that what we really want in a president?"

Fodeman turned his question into his first book, How to Destroy a Village: What the Clintons Taught a Seventeen Year Old (Publish America, May 2003).

[Link: www.jhu.edu...]

47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 2:12:55am

#46 J.D.

Good stuff. Going to have to look for a copy to check it out myself.

48 Burps...  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 2:21:35am

@ #13
And except for France, even though we were very few during D Day. Looks like its being a (bad) french habit to never be on the right (no pun intended) side.

@ #34
Yeah, I fell sorry too, being part of it :(
If only the EU had limited itself to what it'd been created for, i.e a free trade zone, and not dealt with social welfare, politics and foreign affairs, I think I would have been a proud european. No wait, just kidding.


Regarding the Dubbya "issue", I can give you the french outlook: the media (see merde in france for more info) keep telling us that he is a moron, that he cannot achieve anything on his own, and picture him as the tool of the military.
Maybe it's true, maybe it's not, I am not in da know.
But what I can see from here is that he is the first President (second including Reagan, but I'm a bit to young to remember correctly) I heard of that actually does something of its term in office.

And let's face it, following the 9/11 attacks, a democrat president would have had done the same thing as Dubbya is doing. It's just common sense. Maybe it's the reason why, as far as I read, democrats are at unease regarding the taliban/hussein issues.

49 Burps...  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 2:28:01am

Oh, I almost forgot to ad that

At least, you have a President that stands for what he is and was elected for, right?

I cannot say the same for us frenchies, who continue voting for a man who never said, au contraire, that he belongs to the right. His actions confim that he promotes trotskist-leninist ideas and values.

50 J.D.  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 2:48:33am
And let's face it, following the 9/11 attacks, a democrat president would have had done the same thing as Dubbya is doing. It's just common sense.

IMO, W is trying to revive common sense, which seems to have succumbed to left-wing feel-good politics.

The Death of Common Sense

Today we mourn the passing of a friend by the name of Common Sense. Common sense lived a long life but died from heart failure. No one really knows how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes, factories and offices. He helped folks get jobs done without fanfare and foolishness.

For decades, petty rules, silly laws and frivolous lawsuits held no power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, the early bird gets the worm, and life isn't always fair. Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn), reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge, not the kids), and it's okay to come in second.

A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived cultural and educational trends including, body piercing, whole language, ebonics and new math. His health declined when he became infected with the "If it only helps one person it's worth it" bug.

In recent decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of overbearing federal regulation. He watched in pain as good people became ruled by self-seeking lawyers and enlightened auditors. Common Sense knew the end was near when

Schools endlessly implemented zero tolerance policies

Reports of six-year-old boys charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate

A teen suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch

A teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student

Schools need parental consent to administer aspirin to a student but cannot inform the parent when a student is pregnant or wants an abortion.

Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received better treatment than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses in everything from Boy Scouts to professional sports. Common Sense drifted in and out of logic but was kept informed of developments, regarding questionable regulations for asbestos, low-flow toilets, smart guns, the nurturing of Prohibition Laws and mandatory air bags.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son Reason. Three stepbrothers survive him: Rights, Tolerance and Whiner. Not many attended his funeral unfortunately, because so few realize he is gone.

Author unknown

51 J.D.  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 2:56:32am

postscript
[ed] Not that I have anything against low-flow toilets and mandatory airbags

52 Moses Cleaveland  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 3:12:33am

Aren't the majority of those fighting this war the same young people that Begala says are "hopelessly ill-informed."

53 Melissa  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 3:17:31am

Like Paul and many other posters here, I used to be a Democrat (still am registered), but I wised up even before 9/11 and am proud to say that I not only voted for GWB but also contributed to his campaign.

When people call him a half-wit or a moron, they are also by extension calling me a doofus for voting for him. I can assure you that I am not, and the constant insulting of the president's intelligence (and mine) is NOT a strategy for the resuscitation of the Democratic party.

But I do hope that they continue down this path with people like Begala, Lehane, the Clintons, McCauliffe, and the presidential candidates continuing to call me and the youth of America stooooopid.

54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 3:21:53am

#52 Moses

But the young people fighting this war are just tools of the Military Industrial complex and the GZC. They were dumb enough to volunteer for the military, so they can't possibly have a valid opinion.

/sarcasm off

55 Andjam  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 3:26:00am

Maybe the high support amongst youth for Operation Iraqi Freedom suggest that it was the "pro-war" people who were the idealists and people who want to make the world a better place.

56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 3:32:14am

People can say all they like about GWB, I trust him.

I was in the Marines for the Clinton years. I heard from him a ton of fancy talk, supposedly great speeches (thats what the media claimed) and didn't see jack-shit in results out of him. I did see a whole lot lying and some down right criminal behavior. Personally, I also find it telling that the economic problems which are plaguing us today had their roots in the Clinton Presidency. It was during his waning days and after GWB came into office that much of it was exposed. Clinton handed to GWB what Davis handed to Arnold, a economic nightmare.

GWB might not be eloquent, but he is willing to do what it takes to get the job done and not afraid to ruffle feathers to do it. Also, while I dont agree with some of his staff appointments, he has for the most part surrounded himself with highly capable of advisors. You don't have to know how to do everything if you know who to ask when the time comes. GWB is smart enough to know that. He's got my vote in the coming years.

57 Andjam  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 3:32:35am

I'm also liberal in many respects (eg gay rights). Voting in Australia's next election won't be easy for me.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is another person liberal in many respects but supported Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Things would be much simpler if I could vote for Arnold for prime minister of Australia...

58 Kufrbergsky  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 4:13:59am

It's just like the Left to belittle any group that disagrees with them. Young crowd thinks your wrong....they must be stupid. Old crowd thinks your wrong.....they must be senile. Middle agers think your wrong.....they must be white male bigots. Boy the Left is just imploding on the world stage. They are sooooo short sited. If they had supported the president, they might look like credible candidates/americans who are willing to put the welfare of the nation above petty partisan politics. Instead, they couldn't pass up their opportunity to slander seethe and whine about everything the Commander in Chief does during this most perilous time in our young history. All I can say is that it is better to have them reveal their own moral bankruptcy now, rather then while in office. Oh wait...that's right. Now they've done both.

59 Reagan Kid  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 4:24:29am

These and other comments from the news network that on its best days never got more viewers than Fox gets on any average day is a cause for celebration. It's a sure sign of the final fading of the baby boom generation - the softest, most spoiled, most left-wing, anti-American generation that ever lived. A generation of locusts. Good riddance.

60 Abu Messerschmitt  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 4:29:36am
If they had supported the president, they might look like credible candidates/americans who are willing to put the welfare of the nation above petty partisan politics.

The only priority in the democrat party right now is destroying George W. Bush. If America gets destroyed in the process, that's just collateral damage.

If the democrats presented a viable alternative set of policies, rather than just blind, stupid, enraged opposition... they might stand a chance. And a domestic policy of massive tax increases to put in place a DMV-style healthcare bureaucracy coupled with a foreign policy of kissing French, German, and North Korean ass at every opportunity isn't the alternative set of policies that are going to win over middle America.

61 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 4:30:45am

Apparently Saddam's aides and his "avowedly secular" Baath Party apparatus now have a working relationship with Ansar al-Islam, an al-Qaida surrogate. So much for the thinking that these organizations would "never" cooperate.

Ansar al-Islam Operatives Claim Saddam Aide Orchestrating Latest Attacks

My guess is that these links predate the Coalition occupation of Iraq by a good many years. I'd be willing to put money on that.

62 Sandy P.  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 4:55:31am

The Forehead forgets one thing, it was during his administration that these kids grew up in. The torch was passed from The Greatest Generation to generation in 1992. And a fine job they've done.

Barring catastrophic circumstances, graduates will be able to find jobs upon graduation next year. They'll read the "doom-and-gloomers" and wonder why the disconnect.

As to multi-culti - those cookie sales and not getting into the school of your choice because you're white and middle/upper class will have an effect.

63 Anant  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 5:09:09am

If Clinton was such a horrible commander in chief for the US military, why is it that the military, after 8 years under him, performed so well in Afghanistan and Iraq? Clinton must have done something right, and by our performance in those two theaters, I'd say he did a hell of a lot of things right. I don't buy the argument that George Bush single-handedly transformed the military in the 10 months between when he took office and 9/11.

As for W's performance in office, my attitude is this:
any man who would allow bin Laden family members to fly out of the country after 9/11 without being questioned, any man whose family has close financial and personal ties to the Saudi government, any man who would say "you are with us or with the terrorists" and then give military aid to Pakistan, exempt the PA from our anti-terror laws, and cozy up to the Saudis, does not deserve to be President. I don't care which party he is from.

64 john  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 5:11:36am

The begala comments are so telling about the bankrupt left. I hope he keeps it up.
Until a few weeks ago I was getting more and more furious over the puke that they were spewing about anything decent and good that was happening here or elswhere in the world (e.g. Improvements in Iraq, the economy, our allies, etc.). I just could not believe the the blatant lies and distortions about some obvious facts.
When I watched the democratic debacle sunday night, I felt much better. What I have been watching is the implosion of the democratic party. It is being crushed under the weight of hypocrisy, political correctness, impotence in the face of action and leadership, hatred, intolerance of any ideas that don't bow to liberalism, decadence, lack of common sense, amorality, envy and the fear of complete irrelevance. The fool on the corner soapbox screaming about conspiracies.
The left has no 'absolute' truths on which to stand - everything is a line in the sand, easliy movable for the current situation.What we are seeing now is the death roll of a once great party. The extreme edges have taken over, and the 'leaders' are following. The inmates are running the asylum. Will they still win some elections? Sure, but in isolated places with some reasonable candidates. Thier time as a national party is over until they either return to beliveing that what is good for the country is good for them too, or they simlply go the way of the whigs.
I hope it is sooner rather than later, we need two points of view to keep us sharp.

65 Kufrbergsky  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 5:40:58am
If the democrats presented a viable alternative set of policies, rather than just blind, stupid, enraged opposition... they might stand a chance.

See, I don't think there is a viable alternative other than being even MORE aggressive toward the muslim murderbots in Fraudisyriairanistan. Short of that, the Dems should retreat, lay low, and regroup until the end of the war against Islam. Let the American public grow tired of a one party town, all on it's own. After all, if the Republicans have control over the vast majority of government, when things go wrong (and they always do, no matter who is in what office-That's just a fact of life), who do you think is going to get the blame? If the Dems don't stop what they are doing, they might get blamed. If they would shut up, when discontent grows, they would be looked at as a viable alternative. The problem is that the current path of self destruction that they seem to be on will damage all chances that they will be who we look to when we grow tired with the Republicans.

66 Anant  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 5:49:47am

#65

I really wish someone WOULD run to the right of George Wahabi Bush on the WOT issue. I have made no secret of the fact that I think Bush is too soft on the Wahabis, to a degree that borders on treason. Any candidate that ran to the right of him on the terrorism issue would get my vote, even if that person was the most right-wing, Bible-thumping, fundamentalist Christian theocrat in the country (and I'm a Hindu, so the fact that I'd be willing to vote for a Christian fundamentalist tells you something about how strong my feelings are on this issue)

67 K.  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 6:52:55am

Of Monarchy and Hereditary Succession, Common Sense by Thomas Paine.

To the evil of monarchy we have added that of hereditary succession; and as the first is a degradation and lessening of ourselves, so the second, claimed as a matter of right, is an insult and an imposition on posterity. For all men being originally equals, no one by birth could have a right to set up his own family in perpetual preference to all others for ever, and though himself might deserve SOME decent degree of honors of his cotemporaries, yet his descendants might be far too unworthy to inherit them. One of the strongest NATURAL proofs of the folly of hereditary right in kings, is, that nature disapproves it, otherwise, she would not so frequently turn it into ridicule by giving mankind an ass for a lion.
68 iagofest  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 7:00:23am

CNN and rest of the liberal media are the same jerks that labeled the youth in the 1990's Generation X and said that we were basically unmotivated, angst-ridden slackers. Unfortunately, they were only looking at a select group of GenXers. The rest of us were busy getting an education, entering the work force, and raising families. Now the tables are turned on the libs. TV producers can't figure out why fewer people are tuning into their crappy shows. CNN and other liberal news sources are taking a pounding. Polls show younger people leaning to the right and supporting George Bush. They've seriously underestimated GenXers.

69 thinkingmom  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 7:09:03am

I'd be interested to know how many later (post 1955, say) boomers have had their self-absorbed, feel-good personal growth trajectories permanently altered by the searing reality of 9-11. I have never voted for a repub. for president, but now view the war against radical Islam as the defining issue of our times. Trash Bush if you must, but to me it's so September 10...

70 bytor72  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 7:11:11am

Long time lurker, first time poster here. Just wanted to ask K. how many times he's gone out & protested how many of the Kennedy clan trade on their family name & have accomplished next to nothing in the private sector since the mid 1900's? I'm sure it's numerous times.

71 teal marie  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 7:11:58am

k.,
Nice try. Both President Bush and his father were elected to office. Are you going to say King Bush I & II? That's familiar sounding, where have I heard that before?

72 Model4  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 7:16:47am

#63 Anant: I imagine the Atlanta Falcons can still manage to beat the high-school football team of your choice handily, even with an injured Michael Vick. Would you say that his being hurt helps the team? To say that the US military is as strong as it ought to be just because it defeated Afghanistan and Iraq, one at a time, shows a similar breakdown in logic.

We surely wouldn't be hearing about how over-extended our troops are, if everything is just peachy. Remember, we used to have a preparedness doctrine of being able to fight two major wars simultaneously, which had to be abandoned during the Clinton years. We lost air wings, we lost army divisions, we lost naval battle groups. If you want to claim that this is a good thing, that's your choice. I know veterans who served during those years, some of them forced out, who feel otherwise.

73 Abu Messerschmitt  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 7:37:38am

I'm with you, Model 4. The military succeeded despite the Clinton's systematic gutting of it, not because of his non-existent military leadership. His diversionary cruise missille attacks, for example, almost depleted our entire stock of conventional cruise missiles, and they weren't re-stocked until after Bush was elected. And where was the mighty Clinton military to respond when the Cole was attacked? Without any scandals to divert attention from, he apparently felt there was no need to respond.

The Clinton Legacy lives on in the attitude of his harridan wife, who wants to gut the military further to pay for 'first responders.' She'd rather have more unionized public employees on hand to clean up the blood than soldiers in the field to get the terrorists before they attack. She and her ilk believe terrorism, like violent crime, is something we just have to learn to live with.

74 EW1(SG)  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 8:37:32am

#72 Model4 & #73 Abu Messerschmit: You guys have nailed it. The US military continues its preeminence in spite of Clinton because of the overall devotion to excellence embodied in our volunteer force. There were many of us that could not stand seeing what was being done by that scroundrel and left: fortunately, there were many like my brother and reaganite that had the courage and fortitude to hang on a little longer (reaganite has some particularly vile tales from the Clinton years.) Just remember, they know why they are there.

75 Yehudit  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 8:46:12am
Actually, the thing that got me was toward the end, about 54% of youngsters believing minorities should keep their own culture. This is disturbing, considering just how dangerous multi-culti is these days for us. Work needs to be done.

Just when I thought fascism was finally in ill repute. Are you going to line the Jews in yarmulkes up agains the wall and shoot us? Are you going to outlaw Mexican-American Day of the Dead parades? How about St. Patricks' Day? FOAD.

76 scott in east bay  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 9:11:22am

#40 is right. I am also completely over the Democratic Party, and I was a member of it for 30 years. 9-11 changed most everything for me, as the scales fall from the eyes and you really see that there is a well funded international movement out there with our destruction and domination as it's goal. It's real. It is happening all around us, and all the Dems can do is complain about how the war is going. They want to spend more on schools, housing, the homeless, blah, blah, blah. Sorry, but if we loose this war there will not BE any schools, housing, or anything else. It is every bit as dangerous as WWII, and about 1942 it looked like we would loose. It can happen, people.

The other things about the Democrats that drive me nuts are its insistence on identity politics of race, gender, ethnicity, class, over everything else. It's endless race baiting, support of affirmative action, creeping federalization of everything, extreme wacko environmentalism, (as someone from California, let me take a moment to think the nutso tree huggers for the fires that are at this moment destroying the property and ruining the lives of thousands of people here.)

I am sick of it. I talk to young people all the time, and except for the ones you meet in deepest Berkeley and San Francisco, there is a refreshing breath of skepticism among them when confronted by mindless Leftism. They are challenging their teachers, their unions, their friends. The future is coming. The old Lefties are being pushed out and they are furious. Tough.

77 Villanova  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 10:24:24am

Hey Paul Begala.....

"There's something happening here
What it is aint exactly clear..."

HaHaHaHa So long lefties, America has passed you by.

78 thinkingmom  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 11:38:08am

#77 Villanova
Amen.

#75 Yehudit
methinks you're being too hard on FH. Having minorities "keep their own culture" is one thing if you''re talking about Jews and Amish, and quite another if you're talking about female genital mutilation and "honor" killings. I for one would welcome a bit more "melting pot" and assimilation of the 3rd worlders in our midst. I don't think that makes me a fascist...

79 torchy  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 11:55:18am

#42 gymnast- I wonder what it was youth approve of in Bill Clintons performance.His political policies and positions or "Dude,what you did in the Oval Office with that chick was so rad,high five".
#71 teal marie-I'm not sure what #67 K was inferring by spamming that tract from Thomas Paines' Common Sense,he didn't bother to add his comments.It could've easily applied to to the Middle East monarchies or the former Iraq regime but judging from his previous comments I think your reading and response are correct.W and father were both legally elected as were John Qunicy Adams and father John Adams,if I'm not mistaken.He wasn't convincing with his previous arguments and resorted to tired,unsupportable analogies.
#75 Yehudit-Since I referred to the comment you reject (#8 FM) in my previous comment (#41) I will attempt to make a defense. In the context of the poll I assumed, perhaps improperly, that 54% believing "minorities" should retain their own "cultures" implied that these
"cultures" should be retained as their sole political allegiance,to the exclusion of all others (which is the definiton of fascism).This was perhaps reaching too far in the reading of the poll question and results and apparently implied that all "minority cultures" should
not be retained(ie denied or removed,which again is fascism).Since"culture"is nothing more than a shared orientation its meaning in the context of the poll is ambiguous at best and racist at worst(insomuch as how these "minorities" and their "cultures" are defined).I hope this makes sense. I hope we are all fighting the same battle against political devolution.

80 William  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 12:01:25pm

I wrote:


They don't quote anyone when they denigrate "younger voters" in the third paragraph: "Overall, younger Americans don't follow politics as closely as older Americans."

This is junk journalism.


To which "K" replied:


Did you read the next sentence?

There was no next sentence; I cited the entire third paragraph, which was a single sentence.  I stopped reading the article there.

However, CNN must read LGF (or an editor decided to get off his chair) because today the third paragraph has magically been revised to read:

"Overall, younger Americans also don't follow politics as closely as older ones, the survey found."

Which is fair, accurate journalism.
 

81 Dabido  Wed, Oct 29, 2003 6:02:38pm

Trust me--Begala and his ilk (the DNC) secretly pray that today's youth are "hoplessly ill-informed" as the "hoplessley ill informed" serve as the base of the Democratic party.

I have some experience with today's youth, having taught at the college level. If there is one thing that I can safely say about today's twenty-somthings is that they are extremely well informed.

As a result of having been relentlessly brow-beaten, for years, with the twisted PC mantra, these kids have become very street smart about certain political agendas. They are very sophisticated about how they access information and are far more interested in these issues than some might suspect. Although I am concerned about their somtimes cynical world-view (and coarse sexuality), I have no doubt they understand what is at stake.

Down the hall from my class, the aging hippy professor is endoctinating a sleepy-eyed youth with his post-modern philosophy (truth as a cultural myth). The kids aren't buying this fashionable nonsense and are fed up with the overbearing, boorish hypocricy and incomprehensible leftist schtick. They absolutely understand the contrast of ideas and are anxious to participate--they want to succeed!

I wish them Godspeed...(I'm getting a little tired of the battle).

D.


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