Don’t hold your breath waiting for Reuters, AP, and AFP to correct their scandalous willingness to believe and report the words of many-times-proven liars.

And if they do, you can never find it. I used to work on a paper, and I always thought it was hilarious (in a sad way) that the corrections were written in this microscopic font on an obscure page.

You did this to stop me from ranting on the Geneva thread, didn't you? ;-)

Don’t hold your breath waiting for Reuters, AP, and AFP to correct their scandalous willingness to believe and report the words of many-times-proven liars.

Or that idiot that trolls LGF for his stalker site.

Hey, I enjoy your rants Zulubaby.

So the LGF stalker site is still running?

Promote a death cult, teach it to children, and this senseless stuff is bound to happen.

Not to be crass; but, I wonder which he was playing at the time: the Jew or the Arab?

Maybe it's a good thing I did post that link. ;-)

Eat that F! I'll be waiting for your retraction.

Now, if an Israeli family had done this, how many nanoseconds would it have taken the lefties and the Islamofascists to be all over it like a cheap suit?

See also this.

Just an innocent question: I wonder why the PA even admitted this? I mean, no one in the LLL media would have dug around to find out the truth. And if the Israelis provided autopsical proof (somehow) that they hadn't caused the boy's death, the LLL cabal would have shrilly ignored it. So, did some PA figure volunteer for the next collaborationist lynching by stating this was NOT the work of the Israelis?

Zulubaby

Great find.

Their depravity knows no bounds.

I think what needs to be done (aside form completely getting out of the Judea, Samaria and Gaza) is to set up video cameras everywhere.

But then that will be a Jooos control hollywood deal, won't it...

Anyway, I am off to DC to the Aerospace Museum, the Natural History Museum and the Holocaust Museum.

AG, how weird, I was just thinking of you.

#7

If an Israeli had done that, the incident would give grounds to all the Jew haters in the world another reason as to why Israel should be destroyed and all the Jooos killed.

Zulubaby

I just sneezed... ;-)

Been very busy... at work, at home and travelling. Email me and I will try to answer you before my $ runs out on my hour.

One doesn't have to travel to Israel to learn these lies. In Ann Arbor, home of Islamonazis and Dhimmi Joos, the anti-Semitism is rampant. Led by known Jew hater Blain Colman (734-913-9607) and Dhimmi Jew Henry Herskovitz (734-663-3649), the anti-Israel diatribes are frequent and fierce. Too bad the local Joos are "baa"'ing all the way to the spit.

At the best of times, and with the best intentions, a retraction never has the impact of the original story. In this case, Jew-haters have a vested interest in maintaining the fiction of Jewish iniquity, and it doesn't matter if any of it is based in fact. For them, truth is a mere technicality.

The PA just turned against its own (the left). Somebody go outside, are pigs flying? Was this a candid admission? Whatever happened to the most blessed leftist doctrine of the right to lie, if it helps the masses to see the "truth?"

Just what you would expect, more murderous lies of Arabs uncovered and the world's willingness to believe those lies. The palestinians are scum (period!)

I guess they won't be naming any soccer teams, summer camps, or garbage-strewn alleyways in Riyadh after him.

#8 CAM

This is just part of the PA honouring its obligations under Phase I of the Roadmap: An end to anti-Israeli incitement.

/State Department

Actually it was the Jooos fault: The psychological pain of your homeland invaded by the usurper, the climate of hopelessness, the desire for his brother to go to a better place...
It's a wonder more Palestinians don't kill their family members.
They do?

OT

Speaking of bad reporting, I find it interesting that there was barely a mention on the Anti-terror demonstrations, yet these guys reported it. They actually used the word "terrorism" without the sneer quotes. Bizaro world.

Gee, I wish there were a few more details. How old is the shooter-brother? Was he cleaning his gun and it went off by mistake? Were they fighting over the last tuna fish sandwich? Was the 9-year-old a collaborationist? Was the brother celebrating something, and he shot a bullet into the air, it fell to earth we know exactly where? Were they playing William Tell, and the brother's aim for the apple on the kid's head was too low?

And *why* is there never, ever a woman/mother featured in any of these bullshit proceedings?

And *why* is there never, ever a woman/mother featured in any of these bullshit proceedings?

Don't look now, but that bedsheet in the corner is moving.

Seriously, in a "culture" like this, which keeps even its own women in dhimmitude, how can we expect anything else? If women aren't allowed to vote, drive, attend college, venture outside unveiled, why would they be allowed to speak to reporters for the family?

Just keep silent, pump out some more little martyrs, and if some blow themselves up or have to be killed to preserve the family's honor, pump out a few more.

Ugh.

Don’t hold your breath waiting for Reuters, AP, and AFP to correct their scandalous willingness to believe and report the words of many-times-proven liars.

Facts never get in the way of the media dumping on Israel.

Strange how this always happens, when, OF COURSE, the media is controlled by the Jews...

/obligatory eye-roll

How right you are PDM (23). I hadn't seen this story anywhere (but here). Thx (again) Charles.

#21,

"And *why* is there never, ever a woman/mother featured in any of these bullshit proceedings?"

You know why. It's because the Paleoswines dehumanize their "wimminfolk" as faithful followers of Islam.

They kill their own children for money.. would they decimate their own population if we offered them enough, under the guise of payment from Allah (puke be upon him)?

See link to article on "Spiritual Roots of Anti-Semitism" (and other interesting material):

www.aish.com/jewishissues/jewishsociety/The_Spirit ual_Roots_of_Anti-Semitism.asp

OT...this is disturbing...

LONDON — A Chechen leader wanted in Russia on charges of terrorism and murder has been granted refugee status in Britain, the government said Saturday...

Moscow alleges that Zakayev, 44, was a senior Chechen military commander who fought against Russian forces between October 1995 and December 2000. He is wanted in Russia on 13 charges, including kidnapping and taking part in the murder of more than 300 militia officers.

Zakayev denies all the charges. Supporters say he is a peace negotiator and a minister in the government of Aslan Maskhadov (search), who was elected president of Chechnya in 1997.

He was arrested at London's Heathrow Airport in December 2002, but released after a supporter, actress Vanessa Redgrave (search), paid $85,000 bail.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but are there are not ties between Chechen and al Qaeda? And anything that involves the odious Vanessa Redgrave is really going to raise red flags for me!(you should excuse the pun)

I just got in from the U of T "hatefest", and I feel fine. Here's how it all went down:

I woke up at 8:00, showered, and armed myself with my weapons of inquiry: Two Funsaver cameras, a pen and pad of paper. I had a coffee at 7-11, which was the only place that was open at that hour. I took the subway to St. George Street and walked on foot to the site of the meeting.
It was held indoors, at the Bahen centre for information technology, in one of the big lecture halls. I arrived at nine-ish. Three people had arrived before me: A retired teacher from the 'burbs, a grizzled old communist who was a member of Jews Against the Occupation, and a young Jordanian fellow from U of York. People continued to trickle in all through the morning.
Then the press corps showed up. Of the dozen or so people who were there at that point, I was the only one who expressed any interest in talking to the press. A nice young lady from the Toronto Sun was open-minded enough to interview me.
"I'm not with them," I said, "in fact, I'm quite opposed to their whole agenda, but I'm just here to do a little undercover monitoring and make a little trouble for'em."
"Ooh! Cool. Who are you with? ADL? JDL?"
"LGF. Look them up."
"So why are you opposed to this group?"
"It's pretty clear from their rhetoric that they want Israel to be destroyed. I'm all for protecting Palestinian human rights, but never at the expense of Israeli human rights."
"I see."
We chatted for several minutes. When she was done with me, I snapped a few photos from up on the stairs.
It turned out to be a relatively low-key affair, not really what you could rightly call a "hatefest". Eli Savage, chairman of U of T hillel, was strolling casually about, making nice with the LLLs. I asked him when the counterdemonstrators would be arriving. He grinned and shrugged.
Someone was passing around xeroxes of the Six Points of Unity. I brought one of them to the attention of a Canadian Press reporter, and tried to express to her how brutal and genocidal they are.
I was getting kind of bored. I took a few more photos, and then it was announced that the lectures would be beginning. We politely filed into the lecture hall. I was one of the last ones to register. They had run out of copies of the Points of Unity, so they just made me sign a blank page. Fine with me.
The conference began precisely 42 minutes behind schedule. (Arab time.) The first group of lecturers consisted of three U of T students of Jordyptian extraction: Two girls and one dude. The reporters had all trained their cameras on them. I didn't catch the dude's name, but he appeared to be the ringleader. (Arab chauvinism in action.) He had a Farrakhanesque way of speaking. The crowd loved him, but I was getting kind of annoyed with his half-truths and insensitive jokes. When he said "The two state solution is not viable!" that was just about as much as I could handle. I jumped up and bellowed "So what do you want to do? Destroy Israel?"
All the cameras turned 180 degrees to face me. I wanted to keep talking but I was shouted down by the riff-raff. Finally, one voice rose above the rabble: it was one of the lecturers. "If you can't control yourself, you're going to have to leave. If you want to ask questions, wait until question period," she seethed.
Fine. I sat down to patiently wait for the Q&A portion of the conference to begin. I could think of half a dozen questions to ask this motley crew, but they would only let me ask one. I stood up.
"I have a question for the gentleman on the left," I stated, pointing at Young Farrakhan. "Earlier, you said that the Canadian media is 'Zionist-controlled'. Now would you please explain to me how you arrived at that conclusion? Every time I turn on CBC, all I see is 'Palestinian suffering' this, and 'Hassan Almrai' that, or some such claptrap. Now how the hell do you figure the Canadian media is pro-Zionist?"
Seethes. Whines. Jeers. Someone shouted "Izzy Asper!" I shouted back "Izzy Asper's dead, fool!" A middle-aged lady in the back row, who looked like she had used a lot of cocaine throughout her lifetime, blurted out "We should all live in peace!"
When the noise had died down somewhat, Farracanadian said "If you want to talk to me later, that's fine. But please don't interrupt our conference with your foul language."
Foul language?
I sat down, satisfied that I had made enough trouble for one day. Farrakhan The Second said, "We're going to take a short break."
A couple of spindly young Arabs boys from the audience, about my age but exceptionally skinny,came up to me and started taking pictures, like some kind of retared Japanese tourists. I asked them if they wanted to step outside. They pretended not to understand me.
One reporter from CBC radio and another from the National Post came up to me for an interview. I told them that media bias is a complicated issue and this isnt really the correct forum to be discussing it in. (How do you tell a lady you think her network is biased against you?) I made it clear that I am pro-Israel and I dropped the name of Little Green Footballs several times.
The second lecture was about Canada's immigration policy. Not really my area of interest. I was bored so I took off, and by 1:00 I was back home.
All in all, an interesting morning. I'll post the pictures as soon as I finish up this roll of film.

The IDF has speculated that the boy's father put blame on the Israelis in order to receive funds from one of the terror organizations, such as Hamas.

Gotta wonder what would happen of the story had not been blown until he had already received payments. Would Hamas or one of the other terror financiers send the "loss adjusters" round, and what's the penalty for "martyr fraud" these days?

Is it just me, or isn't it pretty obvious that civilized societies -- anything from the US, Israel, Japan to India or Tuvalu -- want their own children to succeed, to lead a happy life and generally make the world a better place?

And isn't it pretty obvious that the [bigoted word]s are not, shall we say, overtly caring about such earthly matters?

Let's never forget Golda Meir's words:

There will be peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.

Well done, Deathberg! I'm glad you rattled them, I'm really proud of you. Yashir koyech!

With ref. to #29

When I talk about the commies who are helping the islamofascist worlwide, my words are taken as worth not a comment all over the net.
Here we have a good example (for the young ones: vanessa redgrave is an old commie).

We should keep track of all these actions, gather them in a book and spit it in their face...

My thoughts to the families of the victims of the bomb in the subway of Moscow some years ago...after being oppressed by the reds for seventy years now they have another red offending them...

#30 Deathberg

Thanks for the report! So, how many people in total attended?

Who are you with? ADL? JDL?" "LGF. Look them up."

Undoubtedly, the research staff at the Toronto Sun will be googling furiously tonight.

Wow, deathburg!

You kept your cool much more than I would have! And actually got to rattle the speaker...

heheheh

Congratulations. I look forward to the pics.

Camel Prophet (#28)

Magnificent article that you linked to there. Thank you.

Now let me see if I've got this right:
first Cain slew Abel;
then lied about it and blamed the Jooos;
the story went round the world;
now, somehow IDF can prove the brother did it;
And the parents were in on it for the 'martyr' money.

I think this case should be used as a demonstration of Palestinian perfidy EVERY TIME the question arises. Mohammad al-Dura could not be proved unequivocably (though it was to MY satisfaction) but this case can be proved and what's more the PA has admitted this happened.

This case is a public relations gold mine only because it demonstrates what many have said about the al-Dura case--the Palestinians "did it on purpose" and blamed the IDF. Now we know that it can happen the Mohammed case is all the more likely to have been a 'set-up' as many here have believed.

The point is that for whatever reason its happened, the IDF have caught them red-handed and the PA have even admitted it.

But what kind of a family did that kid have where he would "want" to murder his brother and when found out, his family colluded and kept it quiet?

Darleen (#36)

You kept your cool much more than I would have!

I would have gone into full seethe mode, I know it. I'm really impressed with Deathberg.

FOX news is still sticking to the story that IDF killed little mo durah or however that's spelled. And I have also found ONE menton of how many of the olive groves are cut down by arabs, who for some reason admitted it after an investigation, but I can no longer find the link to that story.

#34

It's a pact with Satan all around. It was so glaringly obvious during the pro-Saddam marches organized by the [Stalinist] A.N.S.W.E.R. and [Maoist] NION, where the anti-Jew contingent marched shoulder to should with the anti-USA bunch.

I'll never get out of my head the image of Vanessa dancing with a rifle over her head with Palestinians (and later her Oscar comment that those who protested her movie were 'Zionist hoodlums')

From that day to this I take a look at anything she supports as highly suspicious.

Good job Deathberg!

One voice can rattle so many. The weapon to match their numbers is truth.

Check out this jewel of denial:

Palestinian Militant Killed in Explosion

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

The incident took place in Rafah, on the Gaza-Egypt border. The witnesses had no explanation for the blast. No Israeli helicopters were seen in the area, which would generally rule out the possibility that Israel targeted the militant.

What a bunch of ostriches.

#43 Unbeknown to him he must have shaken the hand of a Jew.
/AP

Good job Deathberg!

Did you use the name: Deathberg?

Zulubaby

I would have gone into full seethe mode, I know it. I'm really impressed with Deathberg.

Me too. I would like to go to one of those things, but it would probably end with the cops taking me outside.

#44

and here I thought shaking hands with Jews just caused a "militant's" penis to disappear.

There were about 60 people in attendance, plus about 10 reporters and 10 cops. I used my real name, although I had been toying with the idea of using the "Deathberg" alias.

Waiting patiently for 'lgfwatch' retraction...NOT

#29 Darleen

Many jihadis now fighting for al-Qa'eda fought in Chechnya, and vice versa. Several Chechen groups are linked to AQ.

#30 Deathberg

Well done, mate. :-)

---

I guess this is why Sharon is trying to get the roadmap back on track: Reports: Blair to endorse Geneva peace initiative

The roadmap is bad, but Geneva is even worse.

And everyone, please observe a moment of silence happiness for an Islamic Jihad terrorist whose car, for no apparent reason, blew up.

#38 Elizabeth

I think this case should be used as a demonstration of Palestinian perfidy EVERY TIME the question arises.

Did you ever see the video footage of the Pal funeral procession where the "corpse" supposedly killed by the IDF falls off the stretcher... and then runs away?

I saw it on FOX once and have never heard any of the other news services or Israeli spokesmen refer to the incident again. Sadly, this is not a war where truth gets much airtime... or lies, much scrutiny.

adem930 (#43)

Well there's this from Jerusalem Post:

Meanwhile, Sunday IDF forces fired at two masked Palestinians near Rafah apparently wounding one. The two were planting a mine along the Israel – Egypt border.

Perhaps the Islamic Jihad "activist" that wasn't wounded went back to continue planting the bomb and suffered a "work accident". Whatever the case, the important part is ...

he died, doctors said

So long, "activist".

OT: Syria gives up 22 people suspected of involvement in the Istanbul blasts to Turkish authorities

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Deathberg, great work!

The conference began precisely 42 minutes behind schedule. (Arab time.)

LOL! Too true.
I love how they thought that standing there, taking pictures of you, was going to threaten you.
I wish you were wearing one of Aaron'sI'm a Jew t-shirts underneath so you could have revealed it when they were taking your picture :-)

Deathberg-PS, Buzznet has free photoblog hosting if you need it. Very low hassle.

To #27 andreaSF

Decimate means kill 1/10th of the total, that is not enough!

#48 evariste

Weird, I had never seen that site before. It sure has some issues!

Deathberg, good going. Thanks for being there.

Darleen-I think it's VFI.

Re: The terrorist who spontaneously blew up.

I've been wondering when the West would build an RF generator that keyed in on the detonation technique used by suicide bombers and IED planters. Maybe this was the first test? Wouldn't that be grand, cars full of "activists" blowing up all over the world long before they ever reach their intended destination. That would be sky-hi-tech!

Deathberg (#30),

Good at ya!

We all need to spend a few mornings standing up to their insanity. They wither under facts.

Good on you , Deathberg.

Hmm, wonder what the linkage may be to the pic of the brothers the other day with the "toy" gun.

#30 Deathberg:

I woke up at 8:00, showered

I'm just here to do a little undercover monitoring

The one flaw I noticed in your otherwise stellar efforts.

USF:

Would Hamas or one of the other terror financiers send the "loss adjusters" round, and what's the penalty for "martyr fraud" these days?

It would probably be handled by "informal" means. Of course there would be no public trial, because that might reveal where the money came from in the first place.

Not that that matters much. In 1997 the World Bank found that the PA had spent $2,000,000 of a European fund on payments to "martyrs", and they were so mad that the Palestinians almost got scolded.

These PA documents captured by the IDF have lots of info on PA payments to terrorists and martyrs. Besides all the blood money paid to individuals and their families, one guy got a grant of $96,000 to build a mortar factory in his backyard.

Much of this money comes from the $10 million Euros that the EU gives to the PA every month. A lot of this money is supposed to pay the salaries of Palestinian workers. Anybody who really works for an honest living, though, gets ripped off by the PA - they manipulate exchange rates and extract bogus taxes, then they give the workers some pocket change.

#30 Deathberg

Funny how they hurled the name Izzy Asper at you, as if that was the vilest epithet they could think of. But then, truth-tellers like Asper--dead or alive--always drive the Jew-haters berzerko. In another venue they might have hissed "Bernard Lewis" or "Daniel Pipes" at you, with the same intent to discredit you by association, little realizing that they have just paid you a huge compliment.

I applaud your activism. It gives me hope.

#31 USF,
Sorry to go OT, but are you the same USF from F***Osama?

@53 DOM

Looks like the rooster is coming home to roost in Ireland too. We'll see how long the 'sophistication' of the howling banshee lasts.

Can you see this so called intellect sluffing about in a burqa? I think black would be the right colour for her, making her more of a blace hole.

Deathberg:

Great job. I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures.

RG

It's all a Zionist lie !!!

Palestinians are NOT liars. They do not murder their daughters to recapture the family's lost honor. They are not terrorists who love to kill Jewish children. They do not worship death in order to avail themselves of rejected women who have remained virgins. Allah does not hate them, as one can deduce from their lives of oppulence and privilege.

These are, instead, innocent lambs who have been victimized by the abusive Israelis in their quest to dominate the world by proxy.

Ya, that's the ticket...victims.

@60 CAM

*LOL

That would be totally cool. Being able to blow up bomb cars remotely would stop them from using that tactic.

PDM

You have my admiration too. :)
Staying cool headed, gathering information and asking the right kind of question the queried could not afford to answer.

How can you tell when a Palestinian (pick any one)...

[medical source][Authority spokesperson][father][Prime Minister][police official][mother][press official][Arafish][etc., etc., ad infinitum]...

is lying?

The fuckwit's lips are moving, man. The lips are moving.

D. Edgren

If the suscribers of AP, Reuters, et. al. are made to understand what is going on they might in turn put pressure on the "news services" to ditch their islamo-fascist preferences.

I'm in a naive holiday spirit where I actually believe that with enough attention and work change can happen.

#72 Evian

I'm afraid the subscribers of AP, Reuters, et al are more inclined to believe this:
[Link: www.palestinechronicle.com...]

CAM (#60) & quark2 (#70),

Check into it, I think you'll find that it has most likely been done, and the terrorists have had to move on to new tactics, including the "stupid" bomb: that being a "person" dumb enough to be nothing more than a bomb trigger.

30 Deathberg 11/30/2003 10:33AM PST

Awesome. You did not allow them to go unchallenged.

@74 Geepers

I hadn't even thought of that, but it would work on the suicide bombers too, wouldn't it.
Why couldn't that technology be used in airports and at seaports? They could use high flying drones and balloons for surveillance and detections and in remote cases detonations.

Seems the Islamic Jihad "activist" was involved in a "work-related accident" after all ...

The explosion that ripped through a car in the Gaza Strip on Sunday, killing a Palestinian terrorist, was an apparent work-related incident, according to Israeli army sources.

An occupational hazard.

Model4 (#63)

What do you have against showering?

#77 zulubaby

What an odd turn of phrase, as if he were a construction worker bonked on the head by flying debris. I guess these kind of explosions have become so routine that Israelis consider them just Palestinians going about their usual business.

#78 zulubaby

I suspect Mr 4 meant that, if one wanted to remain undetected in such a group of moral degenerates, one should attempt to appear as similar as possible to said degenerates.

So no showering for a month :-)

quark2 (#76),

The suicide bomber has a mechanical switch, no way to avert him pushing it except by physical means. Basically direct intervention, which is why you need guards at doors, crossing points and walls.

What Israel really needs in that direction is more sniffer dogs. Explosives 'stink' to high heaven.

I believe most of the improvised devices that are now being used in Iraq, or like the killing of the security guards in the Gaza Strip, are also hard wire controlled, but from a distance. Extremely hard to defeat.

Congratulations, Deathberg. Now about those two skinny Arabs who were busy taking your picture. As I posted on another site, these membes of Jihadis R Us have a major obsession with picture taking but because they think they are being intimidating, super-smart, destructive, whatever, they get really rattled if the tables are turned on them and they are the ones being photographed and camcordered. As for the immigration talks, you should have stayed to hear whether the immigration service has really morphed into the JIA - Jihadi Importation Agency. Around where I live in the Niagara Peninsula, it certainly looks like that.

#78 Zulubaby

My thought too - but maybe Model4 is suggesting it would be more appropriate to shower after the meeting??

I think everyone of us should cut and paste this and send it to AP and Reuters. I am going to do that right now!

OT!

Hey I think we shuold add this site to the Links on the side, these guys are great.

Funny thing is I found a Link to their site on that DU site.

[Link: www.protestwarrior.com...]

scaramouche (#79)

What an odd turn of phrase ...

You've not seen that before? These self-detonations are often referred to "work-related incidents" although I suspect it's the Palestinians who came up with that.

Colt (#80)

Okay, got it. Thanks :-)

30 deahtburg
heeeyyy, kol ha kavod!!!
good for you!
thats taking action against the forces of hatered and evil, and im very proud of you!
W hat a great feeling to know we have folks like you, and my fellow lgfers here, fighting in our corner! thanks!!!

deja vu (#83)

I think Colt got it.

I just sent it to Reuters, some other news outlets and frieds. Please do the same.

Breaking news

46 Terrorsts take a Dirt Nap

hey zulu,, i didnt see lgf for a few days, girl! did you get the greetings i sent you from none other than selpaw? shes a super gal, and youd neevr guess shes a granny,
we made plans to meet again during hannukah, and go down to the ikea near netanya, with the kids.. ill tell you all about it than.

Palestinians bragging again.

It's this small big, collectively.

lizzy, yes I did, thank you, and selpaw e-mailed me about it too. Lots of love to you :-)

92
zulu,, guess where those fingers have beeen
90 photios..
YAAAYYY!!!

94 awww, thanks, you too!
soon you and i will be able to do the ladies lunch thang her in J town, wont we!!!

#92 zulubaby

The caption says they're making "an Islamic gesture" but doesn't specify what kind. My guess is that it's shorthand (so to speak) for F.O.A.D, but I guess the caption writer didn't want to injure our tender Western sensiblities by saying so.

Good on ya Deathberg.
They aren't as brazen yet in Metro Atlanta and up here in Cherokee County we only see a few at curb stores.
For now.
My extended family has now been introduced to LGF.
Thanks Charles.

Geepers,

Dogs, though amazing, are expensive to train. I think a bomb sniffer costs about $20K. I don't have the link, but last week I saw a report about a company making an explosive sensor device that could detect the same minute chemicals as a dog's nose. If practical this could introduce a quantum leap in safety against all kinds of bombers.

Build the sensor into a walk through booth like at the airport or with shoplifting devices at department stores. Make the walls blast resistant. In the case of Israel, most public places that have security have a private guard outside the door. This means that heros like Haim Smadar had to give up their lives as the first line of defense for cafes and supermarkets. Augment the security guards with sensor booths and build the sensors into buses and bus stops. If cheap enough, the sensors could be built into luggage handling equipment and cargo holds for aviation and marine security.

Chaya (#89)

Great! I was just looking through the LGF media contacts list trying to decide who to send it to at Fox News. Maybe Brit Hume?

#89
Excellent news indeed. Al Reuters headlined this as "Americans kill 46 Iraqis trying to ambush them" no doubt a deliberately ambiguous setup for LLLs who are fuzzy on the meaning of "ambush."
"Evil imperialists tried to ambush Iraqis but ended up killing them instead."
The fifth column outlets are almost certainly combing the town for civilian casualties, and they will probably find some, since the Baath SS (aka Fedayeen Saddam) are quite media-savvy.
They will have selected firing points, etc. to provide human shields during the fighting and the maximum possible civilian casualties for the propaganda followup by their media allies.

#87 lizzy

It's our corner, too. All of us.

Here something fucked up. I'm recieving Islam spam. I've been flooded the last several days to my corporate in box. They seem to be trying to legitimize it by tying into USA Today. Here is what the linked and sent to me.

[Link: www.about-islam.org...]
About Islam

http://aboutislam.faithweb.com/islam.JPG
Here is the image they imbedded in the mailings

I have never recieved any spam from religious group ever before. Maybe except the Church of Viagra. Now suddenly I'm on Islamic mailing lists. WTF?

Everyone, thank you for your praise. But this is far from over. I'm going to keep on being a thorn in their side for as long as I can. I just wish other Jewish students here would be a little more supportive.

This is the best news I've seen in a while:

U.S. repels ambush; 46 Iraqis killed

#102 Egfrow

Regular Spam is bad enough--does anyone actually buy those penis enlargers and Elvis memorial plates?--but I think Islamospam might compel me to change my email address.

#105 scaramouche

LOL. I have not seen or heard of other religious groups doing this at all. I don't recieve Jewish or Catholic spam trying to get me to understand or recruit me. I've read some of the bullshit on those sites. It's absolute distortion and a subtle recruiting tactics. They are pining on the average persons suseptability to guilt and shame.

If I keep getting the spam then I will take action to correct it.

#88 Zulubaby

Colt has a good point - but Deathberg didn't have months to 'prepare' adequately for the meeting, did he?! And, wouldn't you feel kinda - well - grubby after attending such a meeting? ;-)

#30 Deathberg

Excellent work. It's truly appreciated and frankly, necessary. These people need to be challenged.

I had a coffee at 7-11,

Poor baby! Not even a Him Torton's open? Maybe I'll get to buy you a Starbucks coffee some day. (It's American.)

#64 Glen Wishard

Thanks. I thought as much.

#66 teal marie

Yup! Do I know you from FO? I have used this handle on FReep and Command Post as well.

ronnie schreiber (#98),

Automated detection systems are notoriously prone to missed readings and false readings, and they'll never be cheaper than $20,000. Plus dogs can travel and lick your face. Nothing beats a cold nose. :-)

Check this link:

Pup's for Peace. For some interesting info.

Plus there is a site for donating dogs for free training, but i can't find the link.

#110 Geepers
#98 ronnie schreiber

Automated detection systems are notoriously prone to missed readings and false readings, and they'll never be cheaper than $20,000. Plus dogs can travel and lick your face. Nothing beats a cold nose. :-)

Geepers, you hit it on the head. One problem with dogs though, they get tired and quit working. They go through the motions, but they aren't working. It takes a well trained handler to know when the dog is "off".

Deathberg
Good work sir!

#102 Egfrow 11/30/2003 01:14PM PST

maybe forward them a few links

The notion of the blood libel, that Jews killed gentile children dates at least as far as the early Christian period, in the 5th century. The most notable 'case' was William of Norwich in England in the 12th century. As the William myth spread, accusations sprang up across western Europe, eventually reaching eastern Europe a few centuries ago. A Jew, Mendel Beilis, was put on trial in Russia in 1913 for a false accusation of killing a Christian child. It's hard to say when the Arab or Muslim world embraced this myth. There was an anti-Jewish riot in Damascus in the 1840s sparked by a blood libel, but claims of Jewish conspiracies against Muslims are about as old as Islam.

Child murder is a sad fact of life. It happens in most societies, most often by a parent, usually a mother or a male living with the child's mother. In a society predisposed towards believing bad things about Jews, what better way to hide a crime than blame the Jews?

Palestinians are essentially embracing the age old blood libel. They put their children at risk and blame the Jews. They shoot Mohammed al Dura and blame the Jews. They kill their daughters for 'honor' and blame the Jews. They raise their sons to kill each other and when it happens, they don't turn the killer in to authorities, they blame the Jews so they can get a reward.

Since much of the world has the myth as part of it's cultural baggage, Palestinian claims that "the Jews killed my child" are met with little skepticism.

74 Molotov cocktails found on roof of house in Tamra, in the Galilee, one day after a violent brawl in the town

IDF sources: In the past ten days, the number of attacks on Israeli targets in the Gaza Strip has doubled

However, I'm waiting for some stupid article telling us about the "lull in violence".

reaganite (#111),

One problem with dogs though, they get tired and quit working. They go through the motions, but they aren't working.

Just like people. :-)

Why our troops need R&R. Thanks for nothing EU.

#116 Geepers
You're right. Now imagine the IDF and typical Israelis.

However, I'm waiting for some stupid article telling us about the "lull in violence".

I'm with zulubaby on this one.

Egfrow,

I haven't received any religious spam but I have a small embroidery business, [Link: www.autothreads.com,...] and one of my specialties is personalized and custom Judaica, Jewish gift and ritual items. Last year I collected a bunch of addresses from synagogue and temple web sites and sent out emails with the subject: Kosher Spam, Custom Embroidered Judaica.

A few anti-spam zealots were upset, but some of the rabbis who got it said the subject line was cute. I even got a big job making a commemorative challah cover for a temple on the west coast.

The fifth column is going apeshit trying to blunt the effect of today's excellent news from Samarra. ABC radio, for example, stated that several Iraqi fighters "were taken hostage" by American forces during today's ambush.
All media are following Al Reuters' initial assumption that all 46 of the dead jihadists were Iraqis, extremely unlikely given what we know about the Fedayeen Saddam.
DUfuses are deploring the incident as a "massacre".

I think alot of the Palestinian who have been killed in this conflict very likely may have been killed by their own people.

In my last post I mean't to say alot I suspect alot of the Palestinian kids who have died in the intifada may have been killed by their own people.I think this story and the story of the girl who was killed by her mom for being raped by her brothers and the Muhammmed El Durra story is sort of proof of that.

#73 Scaramouche - You've motivated me to send some emails to AP and Reuters customers. I know that won't help much, but at least its something. I only hope somebody is keeping a thorough record of Reuters and APs actions and can perhaps present a compendium at the next board meeting.

#121
Of course.
They have to provide various media and NGO collaborators with the pictures and soundbytes they need to demonize Israel.
The fifth column exploits dead civilians, so their PA allies have great incentive to provide dead civilians and no compunction at all about doing so.

Bobbie (#122),

You're probably right. And like the thread where the dad "claimed" the IDF shot his son, if they can they'll play it up, no matter how patently false it is.

Is it any wonder we don't trust them?

#109 USF
You sure do know me from F*cko! I housebroke RockCN with your help. I lost track of you when my Hotmail went pffft. Remember my site with the wild Barbie malarky? You can email me from there. I have been missing you, something fierce!

#126 teal marie

LOFL! Yeah, having RockCN around put me off "pets" for a while - you never know what cr@p you would find posted all over the forum in the morning.

Email coming up...

#120 Shiplord Kirel

Reuters has a sneer headline for the story:
"U.S. Forces Say Kill 46 Iraqis Trying to Ambush Them"

(Reuters obviously sneers at the rules of English grammar, too).

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Re Zulubaby's link on #92:

Read the whole caption under the picture, then think about these two serving 36 life terms in an Israeli jail and hearing, every night,

"Pork again for dinner, boys? It's the other white meat."

M---f-ckers. Both of them. Hell, all of them.

D. Edgren

Regarding the "mystery" explosion in Gaza:

Car swarm

belize042 (#130)

I just looked through the Yahoo! slideshow and that was the only picture of a car swarm. If the IDF had been responsible for this explosion there would have been at least 132 pictures.

Canadian Press article doesn't mention me :-(

Zulubaby,

I agree, and many would have shown politicians in the throes of decrying the "cycle of violence" that "threatens the peace process," blah blah blah.

Gag.

Re #130 Belize042

Once again, a priceless caption.

Oh, "mysterious explosion" my ass.

Fuckwits, all of then. To include the fuckwits that report on them for the news.

D. Edgren

#120 shiplord

I'm almost speechless at the full monty insanity at DU

The US military fights off an attack and they are DISAPPOINTED!

And obviously they are lurking over at Freerepublic because they are posting all over about the 'blood thirsty freepers'

Watching these masturbatory reality-challenged cowards natter insanely makes me wonder why there isn't a cognitive test before allowing the vote.

argh

#119 ronnie schreiber

Cool. Your lists were specificaly targeted to people who probably had an interest in what you were doing. The stuff I got was not directed to any know interests. It was just blasted to my companies main inbox with No recipient intended and a fake return address. Which is what I call Spam. If you fake the headers and return address then you are hiding something. Islam Incorporated wants to open new markets as quick as possible. I wonder if they are going to offer an IPO.

#135 Darleen:

No, no. Testing for cognition is way too high order. How 'bout just "sentient lifeform." 'Cause you have to be dumb as a stump to agree with anything you see on DU, much less post (assault Lizardoids excepted) there.

D. Edgren

#135 Darleen

If you liked DU, you'll love Hillary's remarks to the troops she visited: "Hillary to Troops: Support for War Fading"

Clinton said she told the troops, "Americans are wholeheartedly proud of what you are doing but there are many questions at home about the (Bush) administration's policies."

She also suggested that the U.S. could eventually lose the war in Iraq, contending, "We have to exert all of our efforts militarily, but the outcome is not assured."

Despite her sour pronouncements, the former first lady insisted that the soldiers were just as glad to see her as they were President Bush, whose surprise visit less than 24-hours earlier was greeted with standing ovations.

"It's a positive for the commander-in-chief to visit troops in the field," Clinton told reporters, adding, "the troops [also] seemed to appreciate seeing myself."

Read the whole thing-- it's surreal.

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

#137 D

I notice at the top of their 'forum' page they have this counter that says "35241 user registrations since January 2001"

But really how many live ones are left? I was banned over one, ONE moderately pro-Israel post (bad me, I supported Israel's right to exist).

Deathberg, mad props. Very brave of you.

Good job, Deathberg.

While Foxnews was reporting on the ambush, they showed footage of the up-armored M1114 HMMWVs with Ma Deuce up top, AT4 strapped to the hatch, and smoke launchers for each quadrant. Nice.

#141 Iron Fist

Just like the Cole, we (the USA) ain't out of commission.

Not by a long shot. I know who is going to win this war.

Deathberg ~

It was great to read your report!! Thanks. But will you all please educate me. Who is Izzy Asper?

Israel Asper

OT:

Lieberman articulates the growing multi-partisan thinking that Iraqi democraticization of muslim fanatics will fail, and it will be necessary to unite non-muslims against muslim savages.

[Link: www.sunspot.net...]

I have believed for over two decades that islam is a rape-murder-plunder cult, that cannot be reformed and must be eradicated as the ideological equivalent of the AIDS virus. The cherished notion of freedom of religion is debased when applied to the recitations of gibberish and carpet-humping gyrations acted out by the filthy billion of alleged humans who are under the spell Mohammed's revenge dogma.

To hell with islam, and to hell with muslims and their dhimmi apologists like George Wahabi Bush. Would GWB have visited Baghdad, if he had not abandoned the civil-policing farce, in favor of "Operation Iron Hammer?" Hardly. He won't be President, if he doesn't turn the current military operations into a liquidation campaign. The solution to the escalation of Iraqi terror - over 100 Coalition deaths this month alone - is obvious: STARVE IRAQIS INTO KILLING ALL ISLAMOFASCISTS BY FORCING THEM TO DELIVER BAGGED JIHADIS, IN EXCHANGE FOR FOOD. Anyone who has a problem with that, is an idiotarian dirtbag. If the shoe fits, wear it.

I see CP is off his meds again.

Charles, I think you've got a plant here making up quotes for the PC police to use when shutting down your site.

#146 cp

Anyone who has a problem with that, is an idiotarian dirtbag. If the shoe fits, wear it.

Many thanks for finding my shoe.

Kudos to you, Deathberg! I raise a glass to you! I've gone to pro-Israel demonstrations in the past, but it takes real guts to be a lone wolf (or lizard) in a crowd of Islamonazis and their dhimmi apologists.

I doubt very much whether I could have kept my cool like you did. And what's worse, not only do I lose my temper fairly easily, but when I get extremely angry, tears well up in my eyes. I hate and deplore that, but there's not a damned thing I can do about it. It's a grave disadvantage for a woman, because it makes you look either weak or manipulative, especially when you're arguing with a man. "Oh, right, honey, turn on the waterworks." Then, of course, I get even more incensed, because my stupid tear ducts are betraying me, making me look like a crybaby, when in reality, I'm not sad, I'm infuriated!

Regarding the Pali shooting his brother: many opportunities to commit the perfect murder over there, aren't there? Does Mom, Dad, or cousin Abu piss you off? Grab a gun (not hard to find over there), blow them away and run crying to the PA (or the AP or BBC) that the Jooos did it.

ditto 147, 148, 149
drugs = bad

This yahud has Muslim friends he would fight for, and your first amendment rights have limits in a comments section for good reason.

Geez CP

I thought you said "George Wasabi Bush" and I got an urge to hunt down some sushi...

never mind

ps... you might want to check outside..someone is going to 5150 you soon...

#152 Darleen
LOL, I had to look that one up! Well put.

Well, I told Camel Prophet to FOAD but looks like he/she/it didn't listen.

Camel Prophet, take those kind of comments elsewhere, they aren't welcome here.

#145 zulubaby

Thanks for the link. :)

#146

Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg, in 1944, helped in a not insignificant way, to detract from the German war effort when he tried, but sadly failed, to assassinate Hitler. If the stated position of the Allies was to "exterminate" every last German, it's questionable any resistance to Hitler would have reached serious proportions. More importantly, it highlights that in any culture, no matter how totalitarian, thinking people can begin agitating to help overthrow what we, as external victims, also see as the enemy. To ignore, discount, and even worse, threaten to kill those kindred spirits, is to condemn even more of our citizens and soldiers to brutal deaths. So even if you can't find deep inside a recognition of any shared humanity with those on the other side of the conflict, then for self-interested reasons, wake up and recognize the unnecessary harm you do to your own cause.

Darleen, Reagenite

Maybe 5150 needs to take a place besides Mr. Holland's Opus.

OT
"The Reagans" is coming up next on Showtime. I'd love to see Americans do what I did, cancel my Showtime package. I won't give them a dime.

5150 = "Detention of Mentally Disordered Persons For Evaluation and Treatment"

LOL

Thanks zulubaby; I liked this:
[Link: www.canada.com...]

camel prophet,,
your hatred is so virulent and all encompassing , all you need is fill- in- the blank- for the hate-ee, and it can be anyone,, you are as irrational and nasty as the people you claim to hate..
you are one scary dude, my man...
im glad im not you.

FYI, the Jerusalem Post article text has been revised to now read:

Jerusalem Post
Nov. 30, 2003

Boy shot in Rafah by brother
By Margot Dudkevitch

Palestinian security officials on Sunday retracted claims that IDF forces were responsible for the killing of Hani Raba'iyah, 9 near Rafah last Wednesday morning and admitted that he had been shot by his brother.

Israeli security officials noted it was the first time that the Palestinians had issued such a statement admitting they were in the wrong.

At the time of the Palestinian claims the IDF Spokesman noted that there had been no IDF activity in the area where Rab'iyah was shot and said the army would investigate the report.

As in such situations Palestinian security officials also conducted a probe and discovered that the boy's brother was responsible for the shooting and that the father had attempted to hide the truth hoping to receive funds from one of the terrorist organizations such as the Hamas who hand out payments to families whose relatives are killed by the IDF.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

It's considerably softer than the original text.
 

Great job, Deathberg! Far more patience than I could have mustered. Too bad you got no mention in the news article.

reaganite,

Would I be mistaken for believing CP is Nastification Agenda with a new nick?

noisemakers:

So, democracy will thrive in Iraq, Islamofascism will dissipate within GWB's declared "ten year" framework, and counter-terrorist leaders will be able to look back at their tactics with pride. Yeah, right.

Good projection requires operating on a factual basis. And the rhetoric of politicians (GWB once pocketed $1,500,000 for dry oil wells in the United Arab Emirates) is hardly a good source.

A center, hostile to islam, will arise and you will be within a marginalized minority within the next few months. I don't see a capacity for adaption among oil-patch doormats like "reaganite" and his fellatial defender, "engineer."

"Operation Iron Hammer" was unthinkable one month ago. What will be thinkable, one month from today?

"Islam is peace."

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

"Jihad and the rifle alone."

[Link: www.islam.org.au...]

LOL! 5150 was the building alarm code for the newspaper I used to work for. The one whose motto on the front page flag was All the News That Fits, We Print.

He'll still go on the Pali-Tally too...

#163 Spiny Norman
You might be right, good call.

If that's not who he is, the nick certainly describes his behavior.

autistic imam, kylaer and Spiny Norman have asked that question in the last three months. Sounds like a consensus forming to me, even though I (apparently luckily) never met Nastification Agenda. db also wondered whether someone else was Nastification Agenda, a month or so before Camel Prophet appeared on the scene.

OT - I posted this on the previous thread. Car swarm alert! Maybe another Pali "work accident."

Bad link. This is it. Car swarm alert!

On a related $note$, Sponsored links by Google posted an ad from a Survey Group that offers big bucks for your opinions, especially if you fit this desired profile:

Are You Muslim?We'll Pay You $75 Right Now To Answer A Simple Survey. (aff) HighPaySurveys.com

Belonging to "debased death cults" can pay off...

(Charles, I made a screen capture of the ad, if you want it.)
___

Ironically, the ad was posted with
Fareed Zekaria's column, affectionately entitled, "We Need to Get the Queen Bees":

"Dec. 1 issue — Richard Nixon once remarked that had Singapore’s Lee Kuan Yew lived in a different country in a different time, he would have achieved the status of a major historical figure—a Churchill, Disraeli or Gladstone. Lee recently turned 80, having for 45 years carefully observed international trends and maneuvered to keep his city-state secure and prosperous. While in Singapore last week, I asked him what he made of the European-American divide so evident in London. “The Europeans underestimate the problem of Al Qaeda-style terrorism,” he said. “They think that the United States is exaggerating the threat. They compare it to their own many experiences with terror—the IRA, the Red Brigade, the Baader-Meinhof, ETA. But they are wrong.”

It gets better!

Lee Kuan Yew is something of an authoritarian prick with nepotistic, corrupt tendencies, but he certainly has his head screwed on straight when it comes to terrorists.

So does Fareed Zekaria. (And he keeps on hammering away on this point: You'd al-MOST think the man is con-CERNED about Islamist terrorists...)

LightTower-heh.

evariste:

I visited Singapore during Lee Kuan Yew's tenure. My impression of the locals was that they were prepared to put up with the intrusive checks for mosquito larvae (S$500 fine) in backyard pools, and other authoritarian measures, in exchange for a safe society. I should have toasted LKY with a Singapore-Sling at Raffles' Long Bar, but I was drinking Saki.

#176 CP

Okay, we're intrigued. If you're not here just to get Charles arrested for hate-mongering, what's your experience base? 10 years in SE Asia as SF or SAS (or equivalent)? Or maybe Foreign Service and just pissed off at humanity in general? Sounds like you may have some interesting observations if you can turn off the "nuke the world and everything in it" for a while. We all agree with the frustration of what's going on, just not on the solution you seem intent on repeating with every other post.

Actually, when Camel Prophet isn't ranting, he's an endless source of information and links, and by the way, he's been posting here for some time now. He's often way over the top and I'm not suggesting that you have to like what he posts or agree with him, but he's not a troll and he's not a "plant". I don't think. You aren't a plant are you, Camel Prophet?

zulubaby (#178)

I don't know about Camel Prophet, but as for me, I am definitely not a plant.

But some have called me an animal.

;-)

Jamie Irons

To #102 Egfrow
I got the same spam too, notice the definition of jihad in the glossary, pure dhimmi 101. Scuh crap, and tied in with a magazine run by an unambigious zionist like Mort Zuckerman

zulubaby:

I read your posts too, but I skip over the Yahoo refugees who never learn anything. If I remember correctly, you are from South Africa. During the "nie blankes" period, I lived in Hillbrow, Johannesberg for a while, drank at the Kontinental and Bender's Arms (the hotel with the funny mobile sign), and was once physically attacked by Afrikaners for having a conversation with a "native."

I understand that some people support GWB by default, but that isn't cause to ignore his oil-patch dependency. He is obstructing realist' efforts to cause de-indoctrinate muslims to liquidate ingrained Islamofascists. This is what Charles Johnson wrote after GWB's Sept. 11, 2001 ("freedom was attacked today") speech:

"Bush's speech last night was just pathetic. Obviously rehearsed, not a word unscripted, totally devoid of anything real or spontaneous. Very disappointing. I really hope he can find it in himself to rise to the challenge and act courageously, for once in his spoiled rich party boy life." (lgf Sept. 12, 2001 9:21PST)

Bush's courtiers ensure that rich-party-boy is shielded from evidence that koran indoctrinated muslims don't want "freedom" and "democracy." They want to live under shariah tyranny. The dominant idea that civilized peoples share values with these savages needs to be exposed as bogus.

What a waste of taxpayer's money:

[Link: www.usaid.gov...]

#181 Camel Prophet

You're right, "indoctrinated muslims" could give a damn about the concepts of "freedom" and "democracy." However, the same was true of "indoctrinated communists" and most of those (at least in Eastern Europe) weren't Muslim. Luckily we didn't kill all of them. With a little patience, some of them even turned out to be hotbeds of communist resistance.

"Rich-party-boy" Bush: You're right, 99% of America probably wouldn't have voted for Bush when he was college fraternity member. And probably for years after. However, if history is any guide, people change, and are changed by events. Unless "Camel Prophet" is a nom de guerre for G. Gordon Liddy, there were probably periods in your life when you weren't a poster boy for "Defender of Freedom." Somehow, I think we've ended up with a pretty decent leader, so the "rich-party-boy" label is a lazy cheapshot. Criticize him for something concrete, okay, but the label belongs on DU.

The dominant idea that civilized peoples share values with these savages needs to be exposed as bogus.

You're right, if we think that Iraqis are looking forward to the day when they can get up in the morning, have their Malt-O-Meal, and then trundle off to school and recite the Pledge of Allegiance, then we've got a painful lesson ahead. However, most of us probably aren't that deluded, nor do we buy that the most important thing is getting Iraqis and other Muslims to buy into Americanized "freedom" and "democracy." However, there are some values that a good number of moderate Muslims share with other human beings around the globe: respect for human life, the rule of law, etc. Unfortunately, 90% of the air time is given to the fanatics who have no appreciation for any of these concepts.

I don't know if some horrible personal experiences have soured you so completely on the salvageability of 1 billion human beings or if you've arrived at your current dismal view of humanity academically. If it's the former, I'm sorry. If I'd had my wife, children, or friends blown up, tortured, dismembered, or otherwise cruelly and senselessly hurt or killed, I'd probably sound very similar. I'd like to think that wouldn't be a permanent state, but I'm at least honest enough to admit it might be.

I hope you're wrong. If not, the 20th century is going to look like a cakewalk when compared to the 21st.

Jamie Irons (#179)

LOL. Animal or not, you're a sweetheart.

Camel Prophet (#181)

Yes, I'm from South Africa, and you don't want to see Hillbrow now, believe me! But I had to laugh at this ...

... was once physically attacked by Afrikaners for having a conversation with a "native."

Feh. What a world that was!

I understand that some people support GWB by default, but that isn't cause to ignore his oil-patch dependency.

Look, I understand it too, and I go through stages where I like him and where I dislike him intensely. I would run for my life if a Democrat was voted in so let's just stick with Bush for now. As for Charles, he has stated that he has been a Democrat his entire life but will be voting otherwise come election time. Charles is nobody's fool and I'm not going to hold him to what he said about Bush over two years ago -- people change as do their opinions and the world is a lot different today than it was two+ years ago. I'm not saying that Charles was right then and wrong now or vice versa, I'm just saying that things happen, our perceptions change, we learn and grow and are always adjusting to our current surroundings. I have a lot more respect for Bush now than I did when he first became president, and I do feel that he is a strong leader. That doesn't mean that I support every move he makes or that I hang onto his every word, and I find the salivating over him as tedious as you do.

They want to live under shariah tyranny. The dominant idea that civilized peoples share values with these savages needs to be exposed as bogus.

I actually don't care what the Muslims want, I don't care if they want to live in democracy and freedom or if they prefer to live under Shari'a law. But I will not tolerate anyone's beliefs forced on me. I am only too happy to let everyone live in peace, do what they want do, be who they choose to be, but I expect the same in return. This "Religion of Peace" nonsense has got to stop -- it's a blatant lie, as we know. I don't hate all Muslims but I hate what the terrorists have done to our world and I despise their arrogance. To be quite honest, I wish they'd go off and live their lives and leave us to ours 'cos I'm sick of even thinking about them.

It's amazing...what a lovely father!

Rather than getting his son to hospital to be treated immediately and telling the doctors the truth so they can help his son, he concocts a story that the IDF shot the son so he can make money out of the situation.

With fathers like that who needs enemies? These people are rotten to the core.

The Toronto Sun quotes me, but does not mention LGF

(#187) Deathberg

Great job, sir. Congratulations on your bravery in the face of extreme creepiness and hatred.

But what's that about secretly infiltrating the group for two months? Is that true?

#187 Deathberg

Well, they did use your quote where you mentioned "football".

That's a start!

Deathberg, well done. I'm with Donna V (#150) ont this one -- despite the audience count at these 'conventions,' the potential for violence is always there. To have gone it alone took some sizeable balls, if I may say so.

So, Deathberg is 18, huh? Reaganite is like 23. Suddenly I'm feeling like a relic. (must...sit...down,...tired)

reaganite is 23 ???

Way to go Deathberg.

But again, what is it with the 2 month infiltration.

I hadn't infiltrated anything for two months. I believe my exact words were, "I have been following the development of anti-Israeli activism on campus for two months".

The Baathist Broadcasting Corp. is now reporting this incident and insisting that Israeli troops killed the boy:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

#192 Right Wing Conspirator

reaganite is 23 ???

I haven't been 23 in 18 years...

#194 Mordred

Two different stories, two different boys.

AFP feedback page

Manny (#197)

Thanks! That's what I love about LGF. You may want to check this out too: Media Contacts (courtesy of Charles, who really does spoil us).

184 zulubaby

I don't hate all Muslims but I hate what the terrorists have done to our world and I despise their arrogance

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Muslim terrorism has completely destroyed the world. The greatest achievement of mankind, the ability to fly, has now become a humiliatition because of security checks and a strain, when in flight.

As we come up the Christmas, the joy of shopping for loved ones is tempered with official warnings of Muslim terrorists planting bombs in shopping malls.

The terrorists can do this, as they can hide within the muslim community, we have been so kind enough to invite here.

To top it all, we here the continuous din of "Islam is religion of peace", from politicians, retarded newscasters and any muslim who gets on TV after the arrest of a Jihadi. As fo 90% of muslims are non-violent does not mean much if they are supporting the jihad in other ways.

I'm fed up. If this war is going to last another 50 years, then several generations of lives are ruined. Our time, resources and talent should have been employed doing something creative, rather then attempting to drag this depraved culture and its adherents, from the neanderthal to the modern era.

DP (#199)

Our time, resources and talent should have been employed doing something creative, rather then attempting to drag this depraved culture and its adherents, from the neanderthal to the modern era.

I don't care, I don't care whether they want to live in democracy or under Shari'a law. It's not my problem. All I want is for them to leave us alone so that we can back to living our lives instead of being distracted by fear and worry. I'm really sick of it.

184 zulubaby

I don't hate all Muslims but I hate what the terrorists have done to our world and I despise their arrogance

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Muslim terrorism has completely destroyed the world. The greatest achievement of mankind, the ability to fly, has now become a humiliatition because of security checks and a strain, when in flight.
As we come up the Christmas, the joy of shopping for loved ones is tempered with official warnings of Muslim terrorists planting bombs in shopping malls.
The terrorists can do this, as they can hide within the muslim community, we have been so kind enough to invite here.
To top it all, we here the continuous din of "Islam is religion of peace", from politicians, retarded newscasters and any muslim who gets on TV after the arrest of a Jihadi. As fo 90% of muslims are non-violent does not mean much if they are supporting the jihad in other ways.
I'm fed up. If this war is going to last another 50 years, then several generations of lives are ruined. Our time, resources and talent should have been employed doing something creative, rather then attempting to drag this depraved culture and its adherents, from the neanderthal to the modern era.

#199 DP 12/1/2003 02:35PM PST
"... As fo 90% of muslims are non-violent does not mean much if they are supporting the jihad in other ways."

You get a Chocolate Nail on the Head award for that one. Reality is even worse than you see at first read!

Look at the USA, Britain, Canada, Italy, and other brave supporting countries. Is everyone fighting? Absolutely not!

Here is the *real* key to the deception: Is a full 10% of the population of any of these countries actually on the battle field? Do we have 10% who expect to encounter the enemy? Of course not!

It takes many support personnel to keep one active duty member in the field. But most of the Islamists aren't even in the field full time. That means they come off all mealy-mouth peacenik-y while footing a *huge* percentage of their population as committed warriors, with a *huge* percentage of financial and political supporters.

I should be lulled by *that* concept? Ewww.