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Rooting for the Mujahideen

Sat, Dec 6, 2003 at 8:41:15 pm PST

Muslim football teams are planning a tournament for the New Year's weekend in Irvine.

And the names they’ve chosen for their teams, in an era when sports team names are constantly scrutinized for political correctness, are unbelievably incendiary: Taking the Intifada to the Football Field.

"Who cares? Why are people so sensitive?" said Yvonne Yazbeck Haddad, a professor at Georgetown University. "Intifada is something that Muslims and Palestinians all approve of. It means just get off my back. [Ed. note: yes, get off my back, kafir, and let me kill some Jews!]

"Is the only way we accept [Muslims] is if we devalue their faith?"

Interesting that this Georgetown University professor seems to be saying that jihad and holy war are part of the Muslim faith.

"A lot of the kids on our team are from Palestinian origin," said Tarek Shawky, Intifada's 29-year-old captain and quarterback. "We are in solidarity with people in the uprising. It's about human rights and basic freedoms."

"I think they should be more sensitive and show respect to other people's sensitivities," said Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, director of the Islamic Society of Orange County and a national Muslim leader. "The words themselves do not have bad meanings , but people associate them with what's going on in the world around them."

But others say Palestinian fighters in the Intifada are terrorists and shouldn't be glorified. Another provocative name, "Mujahideen," means "holy warrior," and is associated with a variety of Islamic resistance movements, including two on the U.S. government's list of terrorist groups.

"What exactly are they honoring here?" asked Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "The continued targeting of innocent women and children by homicide bombers deserves to be condemned across the board. It's deeply, deeply disturbing."

Here’s the web site for Muslim Football, with teams named:

Intifada
Saracens
Soldiers of Allah

... and most outrageous of all ...
Mujahideen

But remember, jihad supporters in the American Muslim community are just a teensy tiny minority of extremists.

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1 piano gal  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:46:49pm

so, political correctness and sensitivity are just for everyone else...

2 addison  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:47:29pm

Off Topic: John F Kerry--who served in Vietnam, by the way--launches into foul-mouthed tirade against Bush when speaking to a young audience (link).

3 rockman  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:47:47pm

Let an opposing team choose a name like "Crusaders" or "Jihad Busters" and listen to them howl.

4 Geepers  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:47:58pm

Coming soon:

Suicide Bombers

Wife Beaters

Virgin Wanters

Kufr Killers

5 Engineer  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:48:05pm

Acually, this is good. The more this stuff happens, the more Americans that see the problem

6 Deathberg  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:48:09pm

Dammit, do these people ever think about anything OTHER than murder?

7 PDM  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:49:31pm

Oh no, I hope it's not Little Islamic Green Muslim Footballs.

8 addison  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:49:46pm
Dammit, do these people ever think about anything OTHER than murder?


They think about those pig, ape, monkey Jew-bastards...and how Americans are the Great Satan

9 teal marie  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:49:46pm

I'm rooting that the Mujahideen slaughter the Soldiers of Allah and the Intifada humiliates the Saracens. Murder the bums.

10 addison  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:50:36pm

Okay, there was more to my comment, but I obviously messed up the italics close bracket thing. Oh, well.

11 Deathberg  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:52:50pm

OT: I'm watching SNL right now. The guest host is Al Sharpton, of all people. It saddens me that some people still view Al Sharpton as a legitimate politician rather than as the hateful felony-murderer that he is.

12 ESTEBAN  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:55:59pm

Should someone tell them they'll be playing with a pigskin?

13 nqi  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:56:54pm

Um...I hate to spoil their fun, but did anyone mention to them that there's a reason footballs are called "pigskins"?

14 rumcrook  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:57:06pm

lets form a team called the "jerusalem crusaders" or avengers of constantinople, or muslim converts for jesus the real god...

It would be good solid fun just to see thier faces

15 J.D.  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 6:57:59pm

addison

Hmmm. I wonder whether Kerry might have been influenced by this.
Curse of Youth

16 ploome fan this  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:03:58pm

from Charles link....

But Intifada's Shawky said that his team's name won't change. He says intifada describes a righteous fight against oppression, whether it's in the Middle East or in America.

I guess this says it all, doesn't it?

"whether in the middle east or in America."

these fks think they are oppressed in AMerica.

and we know, this is only the beginning!

17 ESTEBAN  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:04:03pm

#13 nqi

Great minds think alike...and only a minute apart.

18 James  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:05:22pm

I would like to say a football team called the Hulagus and see their reaction.

19 rusta  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:06:31pm

Foootball with the Mooselums?

I'll Play!

"Longest Yard" w/ Burt Reynolds

20 ploome fan this  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:08:06pm

while we look with disgust at the capitulation of EUrope to these drecks..

its happening here too

when do we close ALL the foreign funded schools in America

Is there a foreign government, other than Saudi Arabia, that funds over 1000 religious centers and hundreds of schools in America?

not to mention a 'chair' in every major university in the country?

why the hell dont we stop this?

21 Nancy  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:09:44pm

I guess there are the extremist Jihadis --the moderate Jihadis and the conservative Jihadis --

the comment Daniel Pipes once made that got him "in trouble" with Muslims --saying distinguishing the "Islamists" (those who support ANY Jihad ideology) is like saying there were good Nazis and bad Nazis.

22 Paladin  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:10:45pm

#13 #13

Uh, I hate to say it, but they are talking about soccer -- not football.

No pigskin involved.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

23 ploome fan this  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:11:25pm
24 Mordred  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:11:34pm

Ah, Yvonne Haddad. One of Jihad Johnny Esposito's cookie-cutter Islamoapologists at the infamous "Center for Explaining Islam to Christians" (cleverly disguised as "The Center for Muslim Christian Understanding.")

Very, very much in keeping with the crew at Al-Jiorjtown, the epicenter of Western Islamoapology.

25 Thoroughly Modern Hillbilly  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:12:07pm

Meanwhile American team mascots are subject to all manner of scrutity - muskets are ripped from the hands of Minutemen mascots , teams honoring the athleticism and bravery of Native Americans are re-named...

Wait a minute...did someone say John Kerry served in Vietnam!?

Is SNL still on? I thought NBC axed it years ago? I work the evening watch so I don't know what's going on with TV.

Sharpton belongs behind bars for that Tawana Brawley sh*t, among other scams.

26 evariste  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:14:01pm

The muslims have a football league? Goddamn American football?! Is nothing fucking sacred? Why can't they play soccer like all the other shit heads?

27 David  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:15:36pm

This is OT, but can any of the Hebrew-speaking LGF'ers give me the translation for "I'm proud to stand with Israel" (both Hebrew and phonetic spelling)?

28 Charles  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:16:40pm

Paladin: nope -- it's American football. Click the link to their site.

29 dan rudy  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:16:50pm

#22 paladin
sorry but they are talking football and not soccer (at least thats what the website implies...football fields with Islam in one endzone and I think holy koran in the other
They even have a pigskin on their website...(and i would like to be the first to call for a fatwa against these infidels who would use a pigs skin)

30 evariste  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:17:32pm

Paladin, wrong-first, the article from the LA Times calls it football, which is a pretty reliable indicator that it's football and not soccer. Second, click the other link Charles provides-you will clearly notice that it's a football league.

31 evariste  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:18:22pm

Holy pile-on batman. Sorry Paladin, I co-posted with three others.

32 evariste  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:19:08pm

two others.
Iron Fist rule enforcement impending...Good night yall.

33 addison  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:19:13pm

If they were to lose a game, would they blame it on the Jews? Just wondering.

34 dan rudy  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:19:13pm

Hey, are they going to have sexy cheerleadres on the sidelines. I guess not,,,
imagine it will be the ladies covered head to toe with pom poms

35 Henry S.  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:20:02pm

Irvine/Newport Beach has a very large contingent of evangelical Christians. I can't imagine this will be going over very well with the community.

36 Nancy  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:20:29pm

Hardly unbiased:

Yvonne Yazbeck Haddad, is author of several books on Islamic life, and professor of History of Islam and Christian-Muslim Relations at the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University.

Click here to read her CV summary. (FILE NOT FOUND)
[Link: cmcu.georgetown.edu...]

37 Mordred  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:21:16pm

Imagine the outcry if a Jewish kids' football team was called the Stern Gang or the Kahanists.

38 ploome fan this  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:22:02pm
39 Woda  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:23:11pm

"The words themselves do not have bad meanings , but people associate them with what's going on in the world around them."

Correct. If jihad brought to mind passing out flowers and singing opera instead of murdering innocents, then you might have a case. As it stands, you do not.

40 ploome  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:23:13pm

36 Nancy

I did the same as you, googled Haddad

LOL

41 David  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:23:36pm

Evariste, they even play cricket, which is supposed to be a game for "gentlemen". Needless to say, I dont "root" (you don't want to know what that word means in Australian slang) for Pakistan!

42 Mordred  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:24:28pm

#36 Nancy,

Couldn't find your link. But as I posted a few posts above, Haddad teaches Islam at Georgetown. That means a protege of the world's Number One Islamapologist, John "I Love Being a Dhimmi" Esposito, author of the notorious, pre-9-11 howler, "The Islamic Threat: Myth or Reality?"

43 m0rtaar  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:25:31pm

yeah, they're trying to be a pigskin league, but if they choose to play against any non-islamic league, they will be chewed up an and spit out.

the "Infidels" and "Crusaders" will probably beat them very easily.

but, aside from this crap, integrate them. one of our best weapons is our way of life.

no one ever turns back. no one can.

44 rockman  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:25:39pm

Perhaps they would like to schedule a game against the Screaming Eagles of the 101st Airborne Division. I'd buy tickets to that.

45 ploome  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:25:53pm

Nancy

here is the page you are looking for

[Link: cmcu.georgetown.edu...]

from the wayback machine.....accesses deleted pages

46 m0rtaar  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:26:54pm

#41

"paki bastard"?

Do I get the brass ring?

47 Mordred  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:27:02pm

ploome fan,

Yeah, I 've seen that write-up of one of Haddad's "speeches" before.

Esposito, Haddad and John Voll are the Axis of Evil when it comes to academic Islamo-whitewashing.

48 Frank IBC, Financially Eloquent  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:28:12pm

"Saracens"? Why are they using a "Crusader" word? Maybe there's hope that Native Americans will drop their opposition to the Washington Redskins.

49 m0rtaar  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:31:08pm

#41

sorry, typed fast and angry... I believe that
"Roots" is either an old US miniseries or a Canadian clothing company...

believe me, it has nothing to do with fornication or any Pakistanis,... whereever they may lay.


50 Mordred  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:31:50pm

Nancy, ploome,

Oh I forgot to mention, Voll (Esposito's sidekick for something like 30 years) is famous for testifying that the Islamofascist government of Sudan qualifies as a "democracy" before a congressional committee.

"Idiotarian" doesn't beging to describe that crew. Actually they are probably dumb like a fox -- Esposito I know makes huge bucks off of "consulting contracts" for companies doing business in the Middle East, especially Saudi Arabia.

51 David  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:33:42pm

#43, If history is any guide, a team called "Eretz Yisroel" could could whup 3 or 5 "Itifadas" at once!

52 m0rtaar  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:33:46pm

#41

Yikes, the "" was cut from my message. STOP THE FLAMES PLEASE.

Sarcasm shield...

53 Frank IBC, Financially Eloquent  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:36:37pm

Imagine the outcry if a Jewish kids' football team was called the Stern Gang or the Kahanists.

This brings back happy memories of an experience I had in the Bethesda McDonald's a few years ago. Both Hank Buchanan (the more deranged brother of Pat) and a busload of Brandeis students were there at the same time. I was disappointed that the anticipated confrontation never happened.

OT, but I've also seen Bill Bennett at the same Mickey D's. Shoving fries into his fat face. I love the guy's views for the most part, but unfortunately he's a pig.

54 Joshua  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:36:42pm

Re #12 & 13:

Footballs are made from cowhide, not from any pig products, despite the "pigskin" nickname.

[Link: www.popularmechanics.com...]

55 ESTEBAN  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:43:41pm

#54 Joshua

Next your going to tell me that foghorns aren't made from fog...

56 Ed Moran Abu Not Just Potential Blizzard  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:43:58pm

Speaking of football, OU laid down like dogs for Kansas State. This keeps Texas out of the Fiesta Bowl (KSU goes instead). Next year, I hope, Texas wins enough it doesn't depend on other teams winning.

After a 4 touchdown spanking, I hope USC and LSU both jump the Sooners, and White DOES NOT deserve a Heisman.

57 David  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:44:21pm

#52 If this is directed at me: what flames? People can get pretty highly strung on this blog, but I was not intending to flame you. Chill.

58 Donna V.  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 7:50:16pm

Excuse me - my beloved Marquette Warriors had to change their name to (gag) the "Golden Eagles and there's a team in this country called "Mujahideen"?

Well, as Engineer pointed out, this is probably good news. Ordinary Americans can see exactly where the sympathies of these bastards lie.

I hope these SOB's get creamed at every game they play. Except, of course, that they'll blubber then about "humiliation." And CAIR will have a sh*t fit when they hear the fans of the opposing team chant "Kill the Mujahideen!"

59 FH  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:06:17pm

OT, but Scripting News just took a huge lead in the Wizbang poll. And when I say huge, I mean Michael Moore huge. Like 5600 votes to LGFs 2300. I smell a rat. Or two, or three...

P.S. If someone else already mentioned this, sorry.

60 its jake  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:12:18pm

as ann coulter has said of others, yvonne, of course, committed a hate crime by saying that terrorism is part of true islam.

61 Mr. E. Train  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:13:30pm

a few names for apposing teams:

The MOAB's
Knights Templar
Apostates
Mother of All Football teams
The Polythiests
Colonialists
Zionists
Judean Settlers
The D-9's
Lizardoids
Jewish Death Rays
Hindu Hitmen
Barbarian Stompers

62 PDM  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:16:22pm

#59 FH,

OT, but Scripting News just took a huge lead in the Wizbang poll. And when I say huge, I mean Michael Moore huge. Like 5600 votes to LGFs 2300. I smell a rat. Or two, or three...

P.S. If someone else already mentioned this, sorry.

Unfortunately, the poll is an easy hack. However, the site owner at Wizbang is shaving off the bogus votes. So, you can expect to see the Scripting News vote count drop.

63 JWarrior  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:21:24pm

There is NO place for religion and/or politics in sport!

64 radian  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:22:51pm

register your hearts out.

[Link: muslimfootball.com...]


bigmo@lolitas.com for the capt.'s email.

65 Mr. E. Train  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:29:28pm

with those car swarms I bet they have some good running backs.. and with all those rock throwers Im sure there will be some good Q-backs in there somewhere.

66 PDM  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:34:42pm

#59 FH,

Scripting News is now at 621 votes. LOL.

and the Lizaroid Kingdom is now in the lead. :)

67 Cooper  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:34:56pm

Ok. Just so we're clear, we're talking REAL footbal (not that qweer Eurosport soccer), right?

..and speaking of Al Sharkton...

68 Josh  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:39:56pm

#27 David

Ani ge'eh la'amod im yisrael

Dont think hebrew will show up here :

69 Lee C.G. Feagee  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:47:56pm

This is going to sound realy weird, but I know most of the people mentioned in the article, including Rabbis Hier and King.

I also take classes at Saddleback College in Mission Viejo (ten miles south of the planned "event").

An interesting thing about Saddleback College is that a recent member of its board of trustees by the name of Frogue (love the name) was the only elected nazi politician in the United States.

Three other members of the board are Jews, and he was forced off.

Having met a good number of muslim students at Saddleback -- my guess is that they have't a clue what a Saracen was, and the only Middle East History prof at Saddleback is such a dufus that he couldn't tell them.

Their high school history books were doctored by the state and Houghton-Mifflin to remove any refrences to Islamic war crimes against the west, so they just don't know.

An example of just how dumb these Muslim kids can get is my daughter's friend -- the girl wears a hijab around her neck, with a tank top, bare navel, and low rise jeans.

They really don't get it, and politically correct pseudo-education isn't helping.

70 David  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:50:11pm

Thank you Josh. There is at least one LGF'er who has the habit of posting "transfer now" in Hebrew on this site. I can get it on my system. I've posted in (outrageously blasphemous) arabic. So please have a try.

71 steve miller  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:51:02pm

So the opposing teams wear necklaces of pieces of ham. What are the mighty fightin' mujahadeen going to do?

72 JWarrior  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:51:06pm

How long will it take before an Allahbot football team starts calling themselves 'The Gunners'? What with their penchant for weapons and all!

As a devout Arsenal fan, if they assimulated the name of the football club I love, I would be compelled to strap C4 to myself and go blow up the lot of them!

73 Lee C.G. Feagee  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 8:58:24pm

I just thought I'd add -- this is the first LA Times article about Jews that was not deliberately insulting in a long, long, time.

Something tells me that William Lobdell is NOT going to get a Middle East assignment anytime soon.

74 Mike  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:06:44pm

Isn't this just too rich in ironic hypocrisy for words!!
THINGS THAT CAN'T BE EVEN MENTIONED WITHOUT CAUSING UNBELLLLLLIEVABLE HARM TO MUSLIMS -

1) C-r-u-s-a-d-e-s

2) C-R-U-S-A-D-E-R-S

3) JUDEO/CHRISTIAN BASED COUNTRY


NAMES THE PC CROWD AND ACLU REJECT ON RELIGIOUS OR PC TERMS

1) St. Johns REDMEN

2) Washington REDSKINS

3) And one G-D indivisible with Liberty and Justice for All!

4) White Man

4) Founding FATHERS

However the

1) Mujahadeen

2) Intifadah

3) WARRIORS FOR ALLAH

ARE ALL GRRRRRRRRRREAT
AND STOP BEING SO FING SENSITIVE!!

WHAT IS THIS PROFESSOR'S NAME?
PLEASE EMAIL IT TO ME....... THIS fing asshole needs a piece of my mind and perhaps my fist.

Mike

75 Josh  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:08:31pm

?שלום

76 Josh  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:10:16pm

:דוד

אני גאה לעמוד עם ישראל


I don't know if that will show up for you, you may need something enabled in your browser.

77 Brenda  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:10:52pm

Will there be cheerleaders in burqas? The Intifada-ettes? Girls of Allah? The Saracensations?

Will fatwas be issued against officials who make iffy calls on plays?

78 Nancy  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:13:56pm

Ploome, Morded --thanks for info --I always like to know the background of the persons quoted.

Donna V. Marquette --my late husband's alma mater --we lived in Milwaukee 7 years through undergrad and law school.

79 Ayatrollah  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:14:22pm

Watch out for the halftime show, thats when the suicide bombers perform!

80 David  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:15:43pm

What does שלום mean?

81 David  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:23:08pm

אני גאה לעמוד עם ישראל

Worked fine!

82 Nancy  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:23:25pm

79 Ayatrollah Watch out for the halftime show, thats when the suicide bombers perform!

That's pretty funny --

Come to think of it --haven't seen too many Muslim marching bands with musical instruments.

Just Flags, grenades and guns.

83 PDM  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:24:30pm

#77 Brenda,

Will there be cheerleaders in burqas?

Yes, a new set every time a losing team is humiliated in front of them.
It just wouldn't be a traditional Muslim team if they didn't have women to murder after losing a game.

84 David  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:25:29pm

Josh, my browser is obviously part of the International Jewish Conspiracy!

85 norar  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:27:14pm

It looks like Saracens will fight Mujahideens for a pigskin.

Now, who came with this brilliant idea. :D

86 David  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:35:11pm

PDM, You must have a photoshop job that applies to this!

87 Lee C.G. Feagee  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:35:44pm

Cheerleaders in burqas...

Come to think of it -- LET'S DO IT!

This is in a public park. Let's give them a dose of their own medicine...

Give me a B-O-M-B!

Seriously folks, can you imagine a real islamic football game? They would be killing each other for the right to rape the other teams' wives.

88 PDM  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 9:45:20pm

#86 David,

You must have a photoshop job that applies to this!

I can't decide if I want to do this or Mujah-Howard-Dean.

89 Macula  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 10:10:25pm

Totally and utterly OT, but so delicious

One in the eye for the Blair lied crowd

Revealed: the Iraqi colonel who told MI6 that Saddam could launch WMD within 45 minutes

An Iraqi colonel who commanded a front-line unit during the build-up to the war in Iraq has revealed how he passed top secret information to British intelligence warning that Saddam Hussein had deployed weapons of mass destruction that could be used on the battlefield against coalition troops in less than 45 minutes.
In an exclusive interview with the Telegraph, Col al-Dabbagh said that he believed he was the source of the British Government's controversial claim, published in September last year in the intelligence dossier on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, that Saddam could launch WMD within 45 minutes.
90 Josh  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 10:20:22pm

shalom=שלום

#89 It doesn't matter anymore-people are so convinced that Bush/Blair lied that evidence doesn't even computer in their heads.

It's like the people who think we never landed on the moon. In the face of overwhelming rational evidence, they prefer hokie conspiracy theories.

91 Tasty Beverage  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 10:27:07pm
"Who cares? Why are people so sensitive?" said Yvonne Yazbeck Haddad, a professor at Georgetown University.

Just keep digging that hole, jihadi out-spoken and thus hypocrite-to-Islam bitch. Yes, why are (Muslim) people so sensitive to certain words and names?

Shall we all think back to September 2001 and the shit-fit thrown by the Muslim associations and the L³ when Bush said that most inappropriate word "crusade" when the American people were mourning our dead and the destruction of those handsome towers? I remember that we were supposed to be sensitive to your feelings even as our hearts were broken.

I'm going to follow #32 evariste's lead re breaking Iron Fist's Rule and check out for now, but I must say, other LGFers here are correct in stating that regular Americans will/would be repulsed by these "teams" and their names, and what they represent.

We at LGF are correct when we lament the fact that "the country" has gone back to sleep about the WoT, but the average citizen, when confronted with a team-name like "Soldiers of Allah", is not going to associate it with happy joy thoughts.

I'm going to leave now and look at my pretty Christmas tree, and raise a glass to all the poor infidels killed in the name of Allah and his "prophet". And I'll raise another one to Israel for being the fucking vanguard in this fight, even though most of the world doesn't appreciate their sacrifice on our behalf. And that's so Jewish, isn't it? Sacrificing your own life for others. Christians revere a Jew who supposedly did it for everyone in the fucking world.

Merry Christmas. Pass the Eggnog (I'm looking at you, Rayra. LOL)

92 torchy  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 10:41:12pm

Though their entire league is known for their running game(from modernism) the Mujahideen and Intifada have dominated for the last few seasons with the Intifada relying on their special teams(suiciders)and passing(the buck)games and the Mujahideen known for it's deep bench and victories over the Russians it will in all likelihood come down to these two teams.Soldiers of Allah being relative unknowns and probably a front for another franchise and the Saracens having made no ground in league action for centuries.Thankfully they all rely on 7th century playbooks and may never take the field or even find their way out of the locker room.Don't even bother investing in seasons tickets no matter what the scalpers(L3) tell you.

93 Egfrow  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 10:50:39pm

WTF? I thought the Canadians would be the first country to sponsor Islamic sports teams. I was counting on Jihad Hockey season. Look lke the USA is a little farther along with Islamification than previously thought. I can't for the Jew Slaughtering halftime follow by a stoning execution of a woman in a burga. That will sell allot of buffalo wings at your local sports pub.

94 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 10:52:35pm
95 Gordon  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 10:54:08pm

Sort of like Irish-Americans who glorified the IRA for about 100 years.
Sort of like German-Americans who supported the Nazis before World War II.
Sort of like Greek-Americans who supported the fascist junta trying to take over Cyprus and force union with Greece in 1974, and continually block alliances with Turkey.

So its not unusual. That doesn't make it good - but stop trying to claim Islam is unique in this respect.

96 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 10:54:54pm
97 David  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 11:01:14pm

שלום, Josh. It depresses me too. I will fight the good fight.

98 Camel Prophet  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 11:09:45pm

OT:

Huge link to complete background of the fraud involving the "protocols of the elders of zion." Also, additional material on anti-Semitism.

[Link: pub6.ezboard.com...]

99 Camel Prophet  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 11:19:34pm

gordon #95:

You can't handle the truth:

[Link: stvmcqueen.tripod.com...]

100 David  Sat, Dec 6, 2003 11:26:28pm

Some historic cartoons:

Three Wiser Men

and:

Nothing's Changed

101 JohninLondon  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 12:25:53am

OT

A good start for Sunday -

Today's Sunday Telegraph in Britain carries a story suggesting that there WERE WMDs - and that they are still hidden in the Iraqi desert. The 45-minute deployment warning was/is at the root of all the Hutton enquiry furore.


[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]


Meanwhile The Sunday Times is suggesting that the boss of the BBC may be getting ready to resign :

The Sunday Times - Comment

December 07, 2003

Comment: Atticus: Down-in-the-dumps Dyke may seek an early exit from the BBC

Friends of Greg Dyke say the BBC director-general is not a happy chappy. One close chum said he is at the stage where he doesn’t want to get up and go to work.
The Hutton inquiry is taking its toll — the report is due in weeks. Dyke is also about to incur the wrath of his own team by decreeing that BBC reporters cannot carry on writing freelance columns for newspapers. It is a weak sop to the government, according to many at White City.

BBC critics sneer that his undoubted talents are better suited to running a commercial station, not a public service. And money-conscious Dyke’s mood will not have been helped by the knowledge that Tony Ball, his counterpart at Sky, is departing with a payoff of £10.7m. Dyke is on a rolling contract and had hitherto indicated that he would carry on for another four years, until he is 60. But it seems that he may no longer stay that course. The BBC chairman, and fellow Labour donor, Gavyn Davies, is sure to be keen to find out soon if Dyke intends to hang around.

If he does want out, Davies will need to get the negotiations going or risk having a lame duck DG at such a crucial time for the Beeb.

102 Paul of Arabia  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 12:29:08am

#95 - Gordon
The Irish, the Nazis and the Greeks!!! Is that the best you can do??? I've seen some pretty tenuous links attempting to equate the unique situation of Islam in my time, but this one is really stretching it. Come on, Gordito, you can do better than that!

How about renaming Glasgow Celtic "the Fenian Avengers" or "the Sword of Erin"? Why not change the name of "Bayer Leverkusen" to "Arbeit Mach Frei" or "Wacker Burghausen" could be called "Untermenschen das Mordsding"? In Greece they could rename "Panathinaikos" as "The Turkey Basters". Then we might have some equivilance.

Meanwhile, may I suggest you emulate an earlier Gordon?

103 NitneLiun  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 1:06:39am

Good God, man. My German is a bit rusty, but did you just post the lyrics to the Horst Wessel song?

104 greenmamba  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 1:46:02am

#103 NitneLium

Yup, that would be it. What the hell is Steffan trying to say?

Here's an English Translation of this Nazi "hymn.":

Flag high, ranks closed,
The S.A. marches with silent solid steps.
Comrades shot by the red front and reaction
March in spirit with us in our ranks.

The street free for the brown battalions,
The street free for the Storm Troopers.
Millions, full of hope, look up at the swastika;
The day breaks for freedom and for bread.

For the last time the call will now be blown;
For the struggle now we all stand ready.
Soon will fly Hitler-flags over every street;
Slavery will last only a short time longer.

Flag high, ranks closed,
The S.A. marches with silent solid steps.
Comrades shot by the red front and reaction
March in spirit with us in our ranks.

105 Colt  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 1:49:50am
but stop trying to claim Islam is unique in this respect.

Gordon, where does it say - or even imply - that Islam is unique in this respect? If you bothered to ask, I'm 100% certain Charles would condemn the IRA, the Greek fascists and the Nazis.

But this blog isn't about the IRA, Greek fascists or Nazis. Pro-terrorist Muslims in America are a disturbing trend, and will probably, sooner or later, become a threat.

106 Colt  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 1:52:39am

From Steffan's post:

Those low-rent cocksuckers need to keep in mind their *true* heritage

I expect he's referring to the pro-terrorist Muslim football teams.

107 dennisw  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 1:54:32am

Streets are named after suicide bombers in Gaza and West Bank. Imagine...... a psycho who kills unarmed Israelis on a bus is glorified and his family given money. His mother honored for giving birth to this beast.

They sure are living up to the faith created by murderous Muhammed, the pedophile prophet.

108 David  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 2:10:55am

Charles, I thought you had a policy against Mein Kampf and The Protocols. I think the Horst Wessel Leid falls into the same category.

109 Shifra  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 3:18:50am

OT A lot people have asked recently how AMericans are going to vote. The Washington Post says Jews and Arab voters are switching sides

Note for those wondering; in the paper edition this was front page, below the fold, left most column, 1 column wide and continued on page 7.

110 Elmo  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 3:25:48am

German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, becomes one of the "Butt" sisters. And changes his name to Piney Village.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

111 Jan  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 3:32:42am
Sort of like Irish-Americans who glorified the IRA for about 100 years.
Sort of like German-Americans who supported the Nazis before World War II.
Sort of like Greek-Americans who supported the fascist junta trying to take over Cyprus and force union with Greece in 1974, and continually block alliances with Turkey.

So its not unusual. That doesn't make it good - but stop trying to claim Islam is unique in this respect.

To equate that vile satanic cult of islam with IRA or Greek junta -- despicable criminals as they both may have been -- speaks volumes of you, Gordon.

Neither comes even close.

Only the nazis and the militarist nationalism of imperial Japan come close to the sheer evil and savagery of Islam.

Yet just look how we treat the death cultists now. They are AT LEAST as big a threat as the japanese were 60 years ago. There is FAR MORE reason to intern and deport every muslim who refuses to denounce their allegiance to the moon god Allah and his terrorist pedophile "prophet" Muhammed as there was to intern those japanese-americans who refused to denounce their allegiance to their emperor.

Yet what does America do? Pamper them with PC bullsh!t. And the likes of you just close your eyes from reality.

113 Frank IBC, Financially Eloquent  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 3:54:03am

Washington Post...front page, below the fold.

Well, that's an improvement over last week's article on Lee Malvo's cartoons - they put the picture of the big bad gun on the front page, and they buried all the ones with references to "jihad", crossed-out Stars of David, on Page B6.

114 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 3:55:25am

OT:CURSING KERRY UNLEASHES FOULMOUTHED ATTACK ON BUSH

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

well..there goes his credibility...if he had any

115 Baldy  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 3:57:21am

One of the reasons mentioned by the people behind this say it will help American muslims who feel "isolated". Yep, this will help.

116 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 4:03:07am

#115 Baldy

Guess they feel like the Jews then. Too bllody bad for them.

OT: The Dhimmiization of Canada Continues
[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]

117 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 4:03:27am

What's that smell?

118 Francis  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 4:04:21am

Call my team "IDF"

119 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 4:09:45am

Really, utterly OT: As politically correct Stupidity runs rampant. Argentina seeks nuclear apology

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

120 Jake  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 4:12:22am

what...no "Axis of Evil Team" ?

121 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 4:17:08am

They could call themselves "The Seething Gordons," and REALLY get people hacked off - kind of a "twofer."

122 azul93gt  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 4:52:01am

#22 Paladin

"A lot of the kids on our team are from Palestinian origin," said Tarek Shawky, Intifada's 29-year-old captain and quarterback.

A quarterback is not a soccer position.

This story brings to mind a funny picture of Osama on the sidelines with a headset on. I can picture him at a post game news conference blaming his poor 3rd down efficiency on the infidel.

This story is begging for the Iowahawk treatment.

123 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:04:39am

OT: Jihadi Gets a Clue

[Link: www.atimes.com...]

124 energyforcapital  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:11:20am
Off Topic: John F Kerry--who served in Vietnam, by the way--launches into foul-mouthed tirade against Bush when speaking to a young audience (link).

Yeah, I caught that. Comical, no? Desperation is exacting some deliciously hilarious consequences from the LLL (ie: Al Sharpton on SNL; who'da guessed he could sing so well?)

While on the subject, did anybody see Chris Wallace spend his FOX debut basically asking Howard Dean to explain his kooky, insane campaign lies from about six different directions? That foil-hatted nutjob looked like he wanted to attack the ****ing camera! The meltdown is sooooo (again) deliciously close to come.

Ma git me a beer! Ahh don't wanna miss this'n!


EFC!....or else!

125 Bubbaman  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:13:34am

Rather than just belly-ache and hope that the Islamonazis choke on the "pigskin" - does anyone actually live in Irvine and is willing to organize a large, protest? Imagine the outcry if a group of KKK'ers staged an event with teams named "coons" or "N-word", etc. It's time we give the Islamonazis a dose of true "democracy".

126 Bill Jefferson  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:18:12am

OT but relevant. A question in the latest "Islam Q&A" email refers to import duties.

Here is my take on it: The questioner is a diplomat who takes bribes to allow goods to be smuggled duty-free. The imam answers that Muslims should do whatever they can to avoid tariffs and will go to hell if they charge them to fellow Muslims, but that the questioner should not take bribes for doing this.

So I guess that makes Muslims free traders par excellance.

Now given that these diplomatic workers are already abusing their own duty-free privilege just for money, should it come as a surprise were the trigger mechanisms for some suicide vests to come in the diplomatic pouch, if they think they are doing it for Allah? We screen to avoid letting the next Mohammed Atta into Florida, but we roll out the red carpet to let his "brothers" into Washington, D.C.

Hopefully the feds are on the case if, as is likely, such a smuggling ring is operating in the U.S. They might find more going on than bribes for tax-free shipping.

127 Dom  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:23:28am

OT Julie Burchill, who wrote last week that she is quitting the Guardian rather than work among antisemites, delivers the promised follow-up.

128 Jeff S.  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:37:39am

"We are in solidarity with people in the uprising. It's about human rights and basic freedoms." ..............Two things they would never have if they lived in an Arab country, or heaven forbid, an autonomous Palestinian state.

"The words themselves do not have bad meanings , but people associate them with what's going on in the world around them."........The usual "Moderate Moslem" dissembling. Can these guys ever squeeze off a sentence that does not contain at least one telltale "but"?
As for the lads on the gridiron, here's hoping they all end up paralyzed in one big pile-on at midfield.

129 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:39:06am

mmm bacon lettuce and tomato sandwich mmm

130 Ginger Liz  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:41:55am

There are a team of men who play a real game (Rugby Union, a million times harder than your American "Football") called the Saracens.

I wonder how long it will take the Muslim Association of Great Britain to kick up a fuss about this!

131 Crichton  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:43:09am

OT: Another 'unbiased' photo courtesy of Reuters.

132 Infidel 94122  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:45:04am

Data Sent!

Jazaakumullaahu khayran.

Your team will be registered ASAP.

(Whatever the fuck that means)

GO IDF ALLSTARS!
STEAMROLL 'EM!

133 Crichton  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:48:25am

And some editorializing sneer quotes in these two. AFP should make sure they're not infringing on any sneer quote copyrights...

134 Macula  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:48:41am

Dom #127,

You just made me cry. What a powerful cry that article is.
It is a keeper.

135 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 5:52:46am

well, of course, you SoCal LGFers might want to note the date and time of their first games:

Sunday, Jan 4th 2004
Woodbridge Community Park
20 Lake Road
Irvine CA 92604

Details
7 on 7 flag football.
Guest Speaker (TBA).
Trophies/ T-shirts/ Prizes.
Highlight videos, Stats and more.
Scrub game against All-Star team.
Official Referees.

Here's a helpful map to the location. Maybe ProtestWarrior could bring the camera...

Woodbridge Community Park

It's so close to the freeway, I can't imagine it would be hard to drive there.

Would be fun to bring a little espresso cart and sell, oh, pork rinds or something.

136 lizzy  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:01:15am

129 steve miller,, are your" hilarious "and" biting " remarks about bacon and pork rinds suppoosed to annoy jews on this thread as well? if yes, well done , genius.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
130,, hey-up, ginger!!!

137 Jeff S.  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:05:07am

#130 Ginger Liz

American Football (no sneer quotes required) is the most brutal team sport in existence. The average NFL player's career is short, painful, and injury-filled. Many players are virtual cripples by middle age. The biggest player on any rugby field would be among the smallest players on any NFL field. Don't tell me about helmets and padding, either. Without them, the game would be interrupted after every play to allow injured players to be removed from the field on stretchers. Try to get past your reflexive, envy-inspired America bashing. It makes you sound like one of them.

138 Crichton  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:05:13am
139 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:06:22am

No, lizzy, they aren't meant to annoy the Jews on the thread. If they've done so, my apologies.

And you especially I wouldn't want to insult. My intent was to point out that the seethers want to pick extremely offensive names for their teams, but that they would (in my opinion) seethe and whine the instant anything that would appear to slight them would appear.

But you make a good point - no need for me to be provocative.

I think just showing up to protest the inflammatory names would be cool enough. And a great way to point out that names like "Redskins" are banned, but names like "Jihadis" are OK because Americans are just too slow to understand that "Jihad" doesn't merely mean "get off my back."

140 Ginger Liz  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:06:26am

lizzy - EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! (Sunderland-girl-impression!)

(And 132 - I like it! Lets 'em know we Zionists are watching their every move!)

141 lizzy  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:07:12am

129
I had a few kids in my junior high school , in Texas, in the mid 70s, waving ham sandwiches at me saying "mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, good",when they found out I was Jewish,, steves comments on 129 puts him on the same level.

142 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:08:42am

Lizzy, I accept your rebuke. I was wrong.

143 Ginger Liz  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:08:54am

137 - Jeff S -

Yet you're allowed to mock football (soccer)? Go figure.

Besides, it was a joke. I like America, and most Americans I have met. Relax!

144 lizzy  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:10:17am

OK, steve, no offense taken,,, i just have to go in and cook dinner for the starving hoardes in a second, , im lazy and im a bit grouchy today... sorrry if i snapped at ya,..

gin-jah,, dave smum taught me a little ashington song about fiishies in a boooooooooooaaat,, sound familiar, lass?

145 energyforcapital  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:12:00am

Okay. I was going to just leave it alone right up to the point where I try to change the subject and everything, but.....
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH OUR NATIONAL NEWSPAPERS WHEN THIS ISN'T FRONT FUCKING PAGE NEWS???????????? GODdammit to hell anyway!
FUCK! FUCK! FUCKY, FUCKY FUCK! FUCK! FUCKING FUCK!

The Olympics in Germany: Islamic fundamentalist males between the age of eighteen and forty years old

The embassy in Iran: Islamic fundamentalist males between the age of eighteen and forty-five years old

The compound bombings in Beirut: Islamic fundamentalist males between the age of eighteen and forty-five years old

The First World Trade Center bombing: Islamic fundamentalist males between the age of eighteen and forty-five years old

The (not mentioned enough in the news during the clinton era) embassy bombings abroad: Islamic fundamentalist males between the age of eighteen and forty-five years old

The bombing of the USS Cole: Islamic fundamentalist males between the age of eighteen and forty-five years old

The SECOND bombing of the World Trade Center: Islamic fundamentalist males between the age of eighteen and forty-five years old

...okay, so only Jane Fonda could come up with some kind of argument to alter this data only slightly (if you know what I mean...read yesterday's Misha), but the fact remains: America takes Voltaire's 'defend your freedom' pledge to every extreme imaginable.

This is basic shit! FOODCHAIN basic shit!

Ahem, 'scuse me. I threw a (Howard) Dean, there...better'n bott'lin it up, isn't it?

EFC!.....or ****ing ELSE!

146 Colt  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:13:00am

#138 Crichton

Uh-huh, another "toy gun". Looks pretty real to me.

147 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:13:30am

Hey lizzy, I need to be put in my place. I've said some very offensive and insensitive things because I have been - well, insensitive. How else can I learn? (Maybe my mom should have slapped me more for my smart mouth. She certainly thinks so.)

148 zulubaby  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:13:47am

German FM: Fence may end chances of ever reaching peace

Justice Minister Yosef Lapid told Fischer and Spanish Foreign Minister Ana Palacio, who also attended the meeting, that in the wake of the Holocaust, "we refuse to take what some of you see as 'reasonable risks.'

I was hoping it would read:

Justice Minister Yosef Lapid told Fischer and Spanish Foreign Minister Ana Palacio, who also attended the meeting, that in the wake of the Holocaust, "we refuse to take what some of you see as 'reasonable risks.' to fuck off.

I happen to prefer my version.

149 lizzy  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:14:10am

129,, steve, and the tuth is, your 129 post made me salivate, . i love BLTS, but they are a bit hard to come by in these parts! lol
hunger rules, im off to cook dinner,, evryone invited to ours for chow in one hour.

150 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:15:00am

EFC - you need to calm down a bit. You're not making any sense.

151 Colt  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:18:59am

#127 Dom

Awesome article. Hopefully Charles will put it on the front page.

152 Colt  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:20:44am

#148 zulubaby

From your article:

Fischer: "We must do everything not to lose this option [of a two-state solution] or there will be terrible consequences for Israel."

I wonder what he means...?

153 energyforcapital  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:22:56am

150


new medication

154 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:27:04am

ah, ok.

I had to step away for a bit -- w-a-a-a-y too much coffee this morning. I was starting to think my arguments made sense.

155 Jeff S.  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:27:58am

Ginger Liz

We mock soccer because of the scarcity of scoring opportunities and abundance of stultifying midfield play. We don't try to compare it to our sports, we just don't give a crap about it. It's been said that the British Navy spread soccer and syphillis around the globe. Contracting syphillis at least has a pleasurable aspect to it, however distressing the end results. I cannot say the same for soccer, and most Americans apparently agree, or it would have caught on here as a spectator sport by now. Sorry to have misconstrued your remarks, but I've seen that tone before, and it always strikes me as America bashing.

156 zulubaby  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:31:31am

Colt (#152)

I wonder what he means...?

My mind goes to very dark places ... I don't even want to consider what he means. There is something obscene about it.

157 Henry S.  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:32:00am
158 Colt  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:34:31am

#156 zulubaby

There is something obscene about it.

The fact that he's German makes it worse.

159 brianstien  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:35:07am

OT: Time for everyone to simmer down. Our salvation is at hand: Richard Gere visits Jordan on peace mission
Gonna be kicking it with Ashrawi. I hope you all used Thanksgiving to appreciate American movie stars. I know I did.

160 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:36:09am

The fact that he's German INDEED makes it worse.

Is there something in the water in Europe? I mean, what's with the endless Jew-hating? It is just eternal.

Beyond comprehension.

161 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:37:26am

#159, boy, I'm sure glad that Gere is going on that peace mission. Up till now, I thought he was just a shallow, pretty boy.

162 ploome  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:38:31am

157 Henry S.

terrible idea

no matter how far Israel withdraws....unilaterally

it will never be enough

163 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:42:33am

IIRC, in the past 100 or so years Poland has been moved westward quite a few miles, and moving the borders and the inhabitants doesn't seem to be causing any ruckus now. The borders of the Czech republic were settled after WWII and any non-Czechs were kindly but firmly escorted out. Part of old Prussia has become an enclave of Russia (Kaliningrad), but no one's too upset that the Germans are gone back to their extant homeland.

What's so wrong with simply asking the Jordanian and Egyptian governments to take their citizens back home? Wouldn't that be an equivalent way to fix the problem?

164 Ginger Liz  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:42:50am

Jeff S - Get over it! Just don't get annoyed when I joke about your national sport if you are then going to do exactly the same about mine. It's called hypocrisy. ;-)

#152, #156, #158 - I definitely feel that anti-Israel politicians need to choose their words more carefully if they don't want to be perceived as making threats. (Jimmah and his "Final Solution" spring to mid as a very recent example!)

Of course, if they do want to be perceived as making threats . . .

165 azul93gt  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:52:17am

#164 Ginger Liz

Jeff S - Get over it! Just don't get annoyed when I joke about your national sport if you are then going to do exactly the same about mine. It's called hypocrisy. ;-)

I took your post where you stated that rugby was a "million times" tougher than football as being completely false.

166 Henry S.  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:54:45am

#162 ploome

Agreed, particularly since the withdrawal would be effectively unconditional, i.e., a retreat behind a wall with no dismantlement of the terror groups.

The move reflects the intense pressure brought to bear by the plethora of genocidal peace plans and the armtwisting coming from the WH. Winning the WoT requires a homeland for the Pals, you know.

167 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:56:52am

The Pals already have a homeland - two, to be precise: Jordan and Egypt. Why should they get another? That would be three.

168 zulubaby  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:57:18am

Ginger Liz (#164)

Of course, if they do want to be perceived as making threats . . .

I don't think they care. The anti-Semites are emboldened, it's okay to openly hate Jews again. What a relief!

The world is turning to shit.

169 Henry S.  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 6:59:53am

#167 steve miller

Because the Pals have been pawns for too long, don't ya know?

170 Kevin P.  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:01:51am

While trolling at idiotmedia, I came across this web site;

[Link: www.ourenemies.org...]

If someone has already posted this, please accept my apologies.

171 Kathy K  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:02:16am

#61 Mr. E. Train,
You and I think alike. I blogged the link (with a hat tip to LGF) and added some of my own suggestions for opposing teams. Then came back here and I saw your comment (the only duplicate we had was 'Knights Templar'). I updated and linked your comment. Hope you don't mind...

172 Thom  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:05:49am

Ack! Yossi Beilin is on This Week. {puke}

173 cba  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:08:31am

#144 lizzy--is this the song? (Lyrics from memory, probably inaccurate)

Dance to tha daddy
My little laddie
Dance to tha daddy
My-y little man

Thou shalt have a fishie
On a little dishie
Thou shalt have a fishie
When the boot [boat] comes in

IIRC, it was used as the theme song for a very good TV adaptation of Sons and Lovers over 20 years ago. It was shown on Israel TV when I lived in Rehovot (1979 - 1982), and was probably made a year or two before then. I think it stared one of the actors who was in The Likely Lads, a British sitcom from the 60s.

I also think I've just dated myself.

174 Thom  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:10:00am

Thank G-d George Will is there to call the PA a bunch of "recidivist liars" - to Rabbo's face.

175 ploome  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:13:56am

#174 Thom

where is this?

176 Thom  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:14:33am

ploome - ABC television.

177 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:15:37am

Thom - so George Will is on at the same time as Rabbo?

Sigh - 'd love to see that.

178 Thom  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:17:01am

#177 steve miller

Yup. It took George about 5 minutes to get Rabbo to say that Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state.

I don't think he means it, but he said it ...

179 ploome  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:17:24am

Thom

must be a different time zone
I am pacific time

180 steve miller  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:18:00am

Do they provide transcripts of these shows? I'd *love* to read this.

181 ploome  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:19:32am

me too

182 Thom  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:20:18am

#179 ploome

Here are the air times for local markets:

[Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]

183 Kevin P.  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:20:27am

#180 steve miller

[Link: www.transcripts.tv...]

184 Henry S.  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:20:42am

#178 Thom

It took George about 5 minutes to get Rabbo to say that Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state

Rabbo may be sleeping with the fishes by next week.

185 Thom  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:21:07am

Transcripts and videotapes are available, but you have to cough up the deneiros.

186 zulubaby  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:22:13am

ploome, did we miss it? I'm so confused, or hung over, or something.

187 Thom  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:23:23am

Oh - and keep an eye on cspan. I think they replay the Sunday morning news shows but I can't find their schedule.

188 Donna V.  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:27:11am

Ohfergawdssake, let's not get into a quarrel about American football vs. soccer or rugby. As a Packer fan, I know where I stand, but if I had been born in Liverpool or Sydney, I'd think differently. Insulting other countries sports on LGF is like getting into the whole Christian-Jewish debate - feathers get ruffled, nobody changes their minds, and tons of bandwidth gets wasted.

Did anyone see Beilin and that Pali-guy-whatshisname (bear with me - I'm coming down with the mother of all colds and am working my way through a tea and lemon that also contains enough brandy to knock out a horse) on NBC this morning? George Will was part of the panel talking about the Geneva Accords and he said (in so many words) that they were a naive, Rodney King approach ("Can't we just get along?") approach to the ME. He also called the Pali leadership liars.

Zionists are very fortunate to have Will in their corner.

189 Jetstorm  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:27:43am

Way, way, way OT but interesting, in the train wreck sort of way.

The DUmmies all think that Cuba is a democracy, and that the U.S. has a much worse human rights record, and that Cuba is great because all Cubans get their daily ration of protein and can read Castro propaganda.

Anybody got hard links with which to refute them? I know we discussed Cuba's "democracy" awhile back, but can't remember which thread it was.

Check out this sad crap

190 Thom  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:29:00am

Cspan radio is playing it at 1 pm. I assume that's east coast time.

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

191 nqi  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:34:43am

#17 Esteban: Word!

#54 Joshua: oops. I suppose everything's made out of plastic these days.

192 Rube  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:36:36am

I think it would be safe to place a few bets on the Louisville Kufrs at your local bookie. With names like these, victory isn't exactly in the bag...

193 Henry S.  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:44:21am

Don't ya just love the BBC?

On the Israeli side, at least, it seems that anyone who wants to be taken seriously has to have their own peace plan.

lol

He said the high Palestinian birth-rate meant that Arabs would soon outnumber Jews in the land currently controlled by Israel between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea.
For years, Mr Olmert's Likud Party strongly supported settlement policy in the West Bank and Gaza and refused to consider giving the Palestinians even small amounts of territory.
194 J.D.  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:57:01am

Of course, it's always difficult to get your story straight, but there's this.

.....“Mullah Omar was spotted praying in a mosque in Quetta 10 days ago,” Karzai said. “This is the first time I have said this publicly.” Karzai alleged that Taliban rebels were getting support in Pakistan—Quetta has become their main base, he said—and he asked Musharraf to stop Pakistani Islamic groups from providing sanctuary. (“It is a lie that Mullah Omar is in Pakistan,” retorted Pakistan Information Minister Sheik Rashid Ahmed.)

And this:

Sharafullah, smartly dressed in a shalwar kameez, wool sweater and black boots, said bin Laden was represented at the Ramadan meeting by three Arabs in their mid-40s who were armed with new Kalashnikovs and bedecked in hand grenades. The Arabs informed Mullah Omar’s two representatives—one a former cabinet minister and the other a senior Taliban military commander—that bin Laden believed Al Qaeda had to widen the scope of its anti-infidel efforts as new opportunities arose. According to Sharafullah, the Qaeda representatives quoted bin Laden as saying, “The spilling of American blood is easy in Iraq. The Americans are drowning in deep, rising water.” Many Qaeda men are keen to go to Iraq, bin Laden’s delegates at the meeting allegedly added, and they again quoted “the sheik” as saying: “I’m giving men who are thirsty a chance to drink deeply.”

Bin Laden, they said, had also decided to “reorganize the distribution of funding” by reducing Al Qaeda’s monthly payment to the Afghan resistance from $3 million to $1.5 million, according to Sharafullah. Bin Laden’s men pointed out that raising and distributing funds has been complicated by the U.S. crackdown on jihadi charitable foundations, bank accounts of terror-related organizations and money transfers. Nonetheless, bin Laden wanted to “assure” the Afghan resistance that it would receive the promised amount. “We will never leave you alone,” the terror chief allegedly said through his representatives. .....

Bin Laden’s Iraq Plans

195 Donna V.: Wants Jewish mom with chicken soup.  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 7:59:17am

Well, here I was going to make some great insightful comment about the Geneva Accords, but the brandy in my tea kicked in and I can't remember what the hell it was I wanted to say.

Bye, kids, I'm off to my sickbed. And yes, I do want you all to feel very sorry for me. I've had my tea and now I'd like some sympathy, damnit!

:-)

196 Dom  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 8:01:46am

I don't know if anyone linked to today's Telegraph, who report an interview with a general who claims to have supplied the notorious '45 minutes' information. And he says it was really half an hour. (However a Telegraph leader notes the claim concerned a global threat, whereas these particular nuclear warheads would have been shoulder launched.)

197 ushie  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 8:05:58am

Charles, please put up Burchill's article. The last paragraph I found especially touching: "Not our Jews! Leave our Jews alone!"

198 Henry S.  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 8:08:46am

#196 Dom

From your link:

The devices, which were known by Iraqi officers as "the secret weapon", were made in Iraq and designed to be launched by hand-held rocket-propelled grenades

"The secret weapon"? LOL! I don't doubt this guy's veracity but this sounds like something out of a Mel Brooks movie.

199 JWarrior  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 8:29:51am

#155 Jeff S.

The rest of the world plays the true sport of football! The beautiful game as it is known!

You septic tanks (yanks to you) play some half arsed stop/start version of rugby while wearing more armour than a Sherman tank!

Did you forget how to play the real game of football when you founded America, so you thought you would ask the Irish? The thing is the Irish are so thick they can't remember that you play football with your bloody feet not your bloody HANDS!

Oh and how comes that in your American football (with added poof pads) you have a World cup or World series and no other country in the entire re world even bothers to enter? There is not one other country in the world where that unflowing over hyped sport you call American football is even remotely near becoming a national sport.

Have you not heard of the World Cup? The greatest sporting event on this planet? Look south from your present position and you will find one (even 2!) of the greatest national footballing nations in the World(Brazil and Argentina!)! Even they managed to get the rules right, unlike you lot! I'm sure they would be happy to give you some advice!

Don't get me wrong I love America and Americans, but.....when it comes to football (proper football you call soccer) you have not got a clue! Even Saudi Arabia has more of a clue about football than you lot and they are a bunch of mad [bigoted word]s! As much as it pains me to say it.

If you have never seen the likes of Thierry Henry, Ronaldo or Zinadine Zedane play the beautiful game you are missing out on one of the most amazing sporting events on the planet!

I'm afraid, Americans, that when it comes to your American football, no one else on the planet gives a shit! We are too busy playing the real football!

/mad football (soccer to u) fan rant

200 JWarrior  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 8:36:15am

Ginger Liz knows what I'm talking about!

;)

201 lizzy  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 8:44:33am

cba,, 173
thats the sooong! how cute! yaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!
love it! im showing to to the husband right now, and cutting pasting it to the mum!! thanks so much!!!!

202 JWarrior  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 9:01:14am

165 azul93gt

I took your post where you stated that rugby was a "million times" tougher than football as being completely false.

Both rugby and American football are full contact sports. (yes, I have watched a live American football match!). The differences are:

1) Rugby players are as hard as old boots and don't use gay metal helmets and large 80's style shoulder pads in case they get 'hurt'!

2) You can't throw the ball forward in rugby to a guy in front of you who will run over the line to score. It's a backward passing game that means players must use running, agility and body strength to get the ball up the field, not a long throw.

3) There is one team that must deal with offensive and defensive movements instead of having two teams split seperately for these roles.

4) The game of rugby flows more. The problem with American football is you get 30 secs of action and twenty minutes of standing around talking about what they are going to do next.

5) Rugby (and footbal for that matter) is about skill and power, not about just running head first into an opposing player with a tin can on your head!

6) England are rugby WORLD CHAMPIONS!

Now don't even get me started on why football (soccer to the uneducated!) is better Amercian football, I will be here all night!

203 JWarrior  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 9:06:06am

oh and...

7) A Scrum the equivalent to a scrimmage is full contact and if not done properly can result in a players back being broken should they fail to keep their spine lower than their pelvis.

Get it wrong and your spine could be snapped in half. Imagine the force of 2 teams of eight men in a full contact scrum pushing in opposing directions. Thats why vacks get broken!

This is unlike a scrimmage where teams don't even come into contact until the referee says to begin and then you run head long into each other and fall over.

My, what skill!

204 RIP Ford  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 9:07:43am

JWarrior,

I let most of this trivial argument of Football vs. Football slide, because hey, I don't care for either very much anymore. I was in England for the last World Cup, and all it meant was that we Americans were the only ones expected to be at the office and working.

Have you not heard of the World Cup? The greatest sporting event on this planet? Look south from your present position and you will find one (even 2!) of the greatest national footballing nations in the World(Brazil and Argentina!)! Even they managed to get the rules right, unlike you lot! I'm sure they would be happy to give you some advice!

But come on, do you think "world opinion" holds any credibility on this board? You know better than that.

205 JWarrior  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 9:31:27am

#204 RIP Ford

"But come on, do you think "world opinion" holds any credibility on this board? You know better than that. "

Nope, you are very right there! And I have to say 'thank G-d'. That is part of what makes LGF such a great site!

"I was in England for the last World Cup, and all it meant was that we Americans were the only ones expected to be at the office and working."

You will know how seriously we Brits take our football then. Its not a matter of life and death, its more than that! ;)

Please don't take my attack on your national sport as being in anyway un-American. If its a choice of the UK joining the Zeropean Union or becoming the next American state, I say 'Give me a 10-Gallon cowboy hat and call me Tex'! Its just the sports I have an issue with!

206 Joshua  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 9:56:11am

Re #199:

Don't get me wrong I love America and Americans, but.....when it comes to football (proper football you call soccer) you have not got a clue! Even Saudi Arabia has more of a clue about football than you lot and they are a bunch of mad [bigoted word]s! As much as it pains me to say it.

Now, it's true that in the USA, American football is much more popular than soccer. But we have enough people who play soccer to keep ourselves respectable in that sport.

In the 2002 World Cup, the USA made it to the quarterfinals, whereas the Saudis lost all three of their games and didn't even score one goal in the tournament. In the current FIFA men's rankings, the USA ranks 12th in the world, while the Saudis rank 26th.

And on the women's side, the USA has won two of the four Women's World Cups that have been held, and currently ranks 2nd in the world in the FIFA women's rankings. I couldn't find the full rankings for the women's teams, but somehow I doubt that the Saudis are a significant factor in women's soccer.

207 torchy  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 10:19:24am

#130 Ginger Liz

(Rugby Union, a million times harder than your American "Football")

I can think of many ways ""American Football"" is "a million times harder" than rugby.not quite "a million". "Football" players require incredible strength,speed,endurance and gamesmanship to play well and you could make the same claim for rugby except for some limitations in the game of rugby itself. You could teach two teams of apes a few maneuvers and place their favorite fruit at opposite ends of the field you could learn them to play rugby. Whereas
"Football" (as in little green ones) demands complex plans of execution, a large playbook to recall on the field at a moments notice without fail,the ability to improvise during execution of a predetermined play.They require the grace to be able to move effectively within the physical parameters of the play.But, and a big but, a huge butt, the game of "Football" is more often won not by brute strength or physical prowess but by a responsive,well executed overall strategy. "Football" is more of a thinking game than rugby could ever be and coupled with the equivalent physical and emotional requirements (no crazies please) this makes "Football" far and away the more difficult game of the two.

/sporting spirit of rivalry

208 torchy  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 10:24:32am

#143 Ginger Liz

Yet you're allowed to mock football (soccer)?

See #207 above and replace "rugby" with "soccer".

209 Jakester  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 11:22:27am

I'm sorry, but it's american football they are talking about, not rugby or soccer, See article!

210 Thom  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 11:41:50am

Rugby is the game for me.

I love American football, but really - 4 hours of real time to get through one hour of game time?!

Ah - but they have to squeeze in enough commercials to raise the equivalent of several nations's GNP's combined.

Which is why rugby - alas! - will never be a big sport in America: the action doesn't stop long enough or often enough for the taste of advertiser.

Which is a real shame because American are missing out on one hell of a game!

211 Engineer  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 11:54:38am

#210 Thom

In the US, more people go to NASCAR races than to football, baseball and basketball combined! But, car racing sucks on TV so no big money.

212 RIP Ford  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 12:20:57pm

#205 JWarrior

I'm just ribbin' ya. No worries.
I spent the Italian v. Mexico(?) match in Cinque Terra, Italy. That was fun, the small towns were really into it.

#211 Engineer

Formula 1 for me, thank you. Let's see. I'd been to Montreal, Indy, and Monza before I graduated from College. I haven't been able to follow it much this year, too expensive to get the Speed Channel. Thanks Time Warner.

213 JWarrior  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 12:53:58pm

Formula 1 rules!

They have tracks with more than two left turns on them!

214 RIP Ford  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 1:03:41pm

#213 JWarrior

I was at Monza in 1998 for the first Ferrari one-two finish. 150,000+ Italians and me, stormed the track before the race was officially over. Freakin' amazin' experience.

215 Sergio  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 2:25:42pm

Discussions of the propriety of the Washington Redskin's name made the frontpage of many papers. How come I've not seen or heard anything about this?

I already know the answer, I'm just hoping more LGF readers - especially in SoCal - will ask this question of their local papers.

216 JWarrior  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 2:51:12pm

RIP Ford

I remember watching that race on TV. It must have been a great experience to actually have been there! I hope you waited for the cars to finish going by before you went out on the track! The cars are so low and fast they would seperate you from your feet at the ankle!

There was some nut who made a protest this year at a GP and he started Morris dancing on the track in front of Jensen Button's car doing 200+ mph! He deserved to be seperated from his feet, unfortunately Jensen just missed him.

217 Stop Hillary  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 2:52:09pm

Their shite and they know they are.

218 A. van Hilten  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 4:02:02pm

One of the two state owned Spanish TV channels was broadcasting last night a French documentary on Hezbollah's soccer club (Al Aahd) titled 'SOLDADOS Y DELANTEROS ISLÁMICOS' [i.e. "Islamic warriors and forwards"].

So these people play soccer alright, but they'd still prefer to kick the head of a Jew.

219 JohninLondon  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 8:26:56pm

The only football game with real BALS is Aussie Rules Football. Blood on the pitch every game - awesome.

Plus - no timeouts for adverts.

220 PDM  Sun, Dec 7, 2003 9:40:30pm

Hey... what happened to the cute little jihadi logos each team had?
I think they changed the site today. Does anyone have a copy of the original page?

221 MinusTheJihad  Mon, Dec 8, 2003 5:52:02am

I registered:

Teamname: The Zionist Entity
Captain: Minus The Jihad
Phone #: 877-INFIDEL
City: PeaceTown

222 Geepers  Mon, Dec 8, 2003 5:58:27am

JohninLondon (#219),

Hear, Hear.

Plus it's the only game I've seen where teams have kegs tapped on the sidelines. ;-)

223 ploome  Mon, Dec 8, 2003 11:33:34am

#220 PDM

so these teams only play against each other?

224 Michael  Mon, Dec 8, 2003 12:10:41pm

Funny that muslimfootballs.com is registered to an address in Walnut, CA. Walnut, CA is also the home of the North American enclave of Hizb Tahrir. The Islamic Cultural Workshop is registered in Walnut CA, who promotes the writings of Hizb's leader and sells Hizb publications. The Islamic Cultural Workshop also uses the same address of Khalifornia's former web site contact info. The Khalifornia movement is closely associated with Omar Bakri of al-Muhajiroun fame. Seems that some strongly radical feelings exist in this obscure Walnut, CA.


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