re: #43 jlakely

But hundreds of scientists — from Harvard, MIT, Yale, and other prestigious universities

Really not so much. How many of them are in climate?

— have presented at our conferences. And we’re grateful they don’t share your view.

Well at least you are honest about your bias - which of course means that you are not to be trusted as a source of science. Thank you for admitting that. That, by the way, is checkmate. And further is it appropriate that scientists who should be impartial should be consorting with an admittedly biased propaganda organization like yours and only reporting what you want to hear?

For more science that goes against the “consensus,” Google “CERN global warming sun.”

And here you are simply lying.

This is a matter of fact. You are lying. The research at CERN in no way whatsoever undermines the basic facts of Climate science. The scientists involved with the project will be the first to tell you that.

The research studies the link between cloud formation in the upper atmosphere and cosmic rays (which are mostly protons and neutrons). As an undergraduate I recall doing the relativity experiment of muon counting down at the Earth’s surface.

But that is a digression.

So here, I am calling you a liar. Here is why. This is science and not politics or a court room. You don’t have the room to jig or amble away from the facts. Cloud formation by cosmic rays is one part of one driver of climate. Clouds also get formed by other processes. So you are talking about an effect on an effect in a system when many others are in play. Does that invalidate everything else as you imply? Of course not! Does it go against consensus… of course not!

Further, for the change in cosmic ray events to be driving the climate changes we observe you would have to show that cosmic ray events have changed dramatically in a way consistent with a century of warming. This is simply not the case. You are therefore lying.

Of course that effect would also have to be larger as opposed to the very real and measurable effects of all that CO2 and methane going up there as well as lost albedo from the obviously shrinking ice caps.