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Rev. Wright: Founding Fathers Planted White Supremacy in the DNA of America

Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 8:30:07 am PDT

Barack Obama’s pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, gave a eulogy yesterday and reiterated his crazy, hateful views, and his support for Louis Farrakhan, to thundering applause: Rev. Wright fires back.

And get a load of how the Chicago Sun-Times minimizes Wright’s hate speech.

The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., former pastor of Barack Obama’s Trinity United Church of Christ, has kept a low profile since some of his sermons landed him in the middle of a political firestorm.

But on Saturday Wright made his first extensive public remarks since the controversy began as he paid tribute to his friend, former appellate judge R. Eugene Pincham, a congregant at Trinity since 1987.

While discussing “seven lessons the judge taught me,” Wright never mentioned church member Obama, who has rejected some of Wright’s comments, which included denunciations of America for its mistreatment of black people and claims that America’s promotion of terrorism abroad helped prompt the 9/11 attacks. But Wright did take the opportunity to bash some of the critics of his controversial statements, including Fox News personalities Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity.

And while Wright made no mention of terrorism, he did revisit the topic of America’s mistreatment of blacks, saying America’s founding fathers “planted slavery and white supremacy in the DNA of this republic,” and adding that Thomas Jefferson wrote, “ ‘God would punish America for the sin of slavery.’ I guess that makes Thomas Jefferson unpatriotic,” he said to the cheers of the congregation.

Reflecting on the late Pincham, Wright said his faith “was not the jingoistic, chauvinistic ‘you’re either with us or against us’ demonizing kind of faith.” Wright said Pincham was friends with “Jews, Muslims, rabbis, imams, fathers in the Catholic church and [Louis] Farrakhan in the Islamic faith.”

Escalating into full-preaching mode, Wright thundered, “Fox News can’t understand that. [Bill] O’Reilly will never get that. Sean Hannity’s stupid fantasy will keep him forever stuck on stupid when it comes to comprehending how you can love a brother who does not believe what you believe. [Pincham’s] faith was a faith in a God who loved the whole world not just one country or one creed.”

At that point, congregants nearly drowned Wright out with a booming standing ovation.

Wright also referred to Fox News as “Fix News.”

And, talking about Pincham’s integrity and honesty, Wright said, “You don’t change who you are because of where you are. You don’t stop telling the truth because it is not politically correct or it makes a racist uncomfortable. You don’t blame other folks for not fixing some of the problems in our own community that we can and need to fix ourselves.”

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1 LeftJustAintRight  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:31:44am

Obama/Wright 08

2 Old_Mick  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:32:16am

Shaking my head as I head off to MY Church this fine morning...

3 Fo knee ix  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:33:09am

"Thomas Jefferson wrote, “ ‘God would punish America for the sin of slavery.’ I guess that makes Thomas Jefferson unpatriotic,” he said to the cheers of the congregation."

Um, The Civil War, anyone?

4 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:34:28am

The political equivalent of STD's.

Barrach Herpes Obama.

5 JWM  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:34:36am
You don’t stop telling the truth because it is not politically correct or it makes a racist uncomfortable.


Wright, you are a vile hate mongering piece of shit, and BHO is your lickspittle catamite.

How's that for some truth?

JWM

6 ec marm  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:34:39am

I agree with him on this:

You don’t blame other folks for not fixing some of the problems in our own community that we can and need to fix ourselves.


But the DNA statement is more of his racially divisive bullshit.

7 deseeded  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:34:47am

Holy Mackerel. I need to go tell my priest he's doing his homily all wrong.

8 shug  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:35:01am

Rev Wright : The Gift that just keeps on Giving

9 Nevergiveup  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:35:19am

He said "DNA" of this Republic. Shit, he is even stealing from Condi Rice! Oh by the way- THANKS CONDI FOR THAT GEM!

10 JWM  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:35:38am

re: #8 shug

Rev Wright : The Gift that just keeps on Giving

Ha! I was going to post that.
GMTA

JWM

11 shug  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:36:06am

re: #10 JWM

Ha! I was going to post that.
GMTA

JWM

I think Mandy beat us both to the punch with the Herpes reference

12 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:36:10am

Yeah, because if it's a black guy spouting hateful racist rhetoric, it isn't actually racist.

/the times I live in...

13 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:36:22am

re: #5 JWM

Wright, you are a vile hate mongering piece of shit, and BHO is your lickspittle catamite.

How's that for some truth?

JWM

I take it you mean "catamite" in an intellectual sense.

14 boxman  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:36:34am

That's it Rev. - just keep telling us the "truth", right up to November!

15 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:36:46am

A lot of people have not heard revwright's hateful, racist, downright nasty comments, because they rely on the msm to 'inform' them.
Keep emailing revwright/obama's diatribes to you email list. We must get the word to every voter.

16 Pope Insouciance IV  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:36:50am

This was during a eulogy?
I'd hate to hear what he says during a wedding.

17 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:37:23am

More Reverend Wright on national TV thank You. Front and Center, lots of microphones.

18 paulo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:37:29am

It just gets easier and easier for McCain . . . right?

19 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:37:33am

re: #16 Pope Insouciance IV

This was during a eulogy?
I'd hate to hear what he says during a wedding.

A reference to the Monica "riding" thing?

20 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:37:34am
saying America’s founding fathers “planted slavery and white supremacy in the DNA of this republic,”

Bullsh*t! They planted the seeds to eradicate slavery. Unfortunately, it required compromises that are misconstrued by haters like rev. wright here. The first chance the government had to stop the slave trade- they did, and eventually this country fought a civil war to end it once and for all.

21 JWM  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:37:41am

re: #13 MandyManners

I take it you mean "catamite" in an intellectual sense.

No.
;)

JWM

22 LeftJustAintRight  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:37:44am

re: #16 Pope Insouciance IV

I'd hate to hear what he says during a wedding.


A mixed race wedding ?

23 Nevergiveup  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:37:58am

re: #16 Pope Insouciance IV

This was during a eulogy?
I'd hate to hear what he says during a wedding.

Oh boy, give him a few drinks and you never know what he might say!

24 Glackinspeil  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:38:07am

Keep diggin' rev. When the hole is deep enough, then get in and start pulling dirt down on yourself.

25 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:38:18am

re: #21 JWM

No.
;)

JWM

Ouch. Is there some allegation I've missed?

26 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:38:23am

re: #20 Sharmuta

Even though Britain outlawed it several decades earlier. You know. To spite those rowdy colonials.

27 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:38:24am

Democrats love to politicize a funeral. Actually anytime they have a captive audience they are likely to start spouting..

28 shug  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:39:11am
‘God would punish America for the sin of slavery.’

I think the Civil war was punishment enough. Hundreds of thousands of Dead, mamed and scarred Americans provided penance for those sins , reverend scumbag

29 haakondahl  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:39:33am

God Damn Jeremiah Wright, and God Damn Senator Obama for sticking with the ostensible Reverend.

Slavery was ALREADY HERE when the Founding Fathers wrote our Constitution, and they limited the power of the slave states via the magnificent three-fifths rule. Unable to create a perfect Union all at once, they made great progress, and laid the ground explicitly for further progress.

The Founding Fathers took this country from a slave-holding collection of Colonies to a fiercely abolitionist Union.

We all are their unworthy heirs. But some of us at least know gratitude.

30 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:39:34am

re: #20 Sharmuta

Bullsh*t! They planted the seeds to eradicate slavery. Unfortunately, it required compromises that are misconstrued by haters like rev. wright here. The first chance the government had to stop the slave trade- they did, and eventually this country fought a civil war to end it once and for all.

Aren't we the only nation that has fought a war to end it?

31 winston06  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:39:42am

I am sick and tired of these Racist idiots...

32 shug  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:39:47am

re: #27 Mich-again

Democrats love to politicize a funeral. Actually anytime they have a captive audience they are likely to start spouting..


and the bumper sticker on the coffin was priceless

I'm dead and I vote

33 JWM  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:40:06am

re: #25 MandyManners

Ouch. Is there some allegation I've missed?

Nah, I'm just being snarky, and it seemed like such a great slur that I couldn't resist.

JWM

34 OnTheRightSide  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:40:21am

It's sad that this kind of stuff is no longer surprising or shocking.

35 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:40:56am

Don't forget that at the time--and ever since--Islamic nations have hijacked ships and taken the hostages into slavery!

36 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:41:07am

re: #29 haakondahl

Limited the power of the slave states? I still seriously believe they - through then-normal interpretations of laws - limited the power of certain people living within those states.

37 VegasRick  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:41:20am

re: #34 OnTheRightSide

It's sad that this kind of stuff is no longer surprising or shocking.

Yep. We are going backwards on this issue.

38 Glackinspeil  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:41:22am

"Alas poor Barack, I knew him well"
/eulogy

39 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:41:26am

re: #33 JWM

Nah, I'm just being snarky, and it seemed like such a great slur that I couldn't resist.

JWM

It got a laugh outta' me for a minute.

40 irongrampa  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:41:32am

All I have to say is that Reverend Wright is NOT describing MY country.

41 Oingo Boingo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:41:51am

re: #1 LeftJustAintRight

Obama/Wright 08

Oh... I think that's just the ticket. Because it's gonna BE the ticket, no matter who Obama may pick for VP.

42 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:42:01am

John and Abigail Adams were opposed to slavery, and if the reverend were correct about our Founders we would not have this:

A notable incident regarding this happened in 1791, where a local slave came to her house asking to be taught how to write. Subsequently, she placed the boy in a local evening school, though not without objections from a neighbor. Abigail responded that he was "a Freeman as much as any of the young Men and merely because his Face is Black, is he to be denied instruction? How is he to be qualified to procure a livelihood? ... I have not thought it any disgrace to my self to take him into my parlor and teach him both to read and write."

43 Shay4l  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:42:08am

More exposure of Obama's hidden, guiding thoughts. Thanks Rev!

44 Nevergiveup  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:42:13am

And let's keep our eyes and ears open, if I am not mistaken, The good Rev is speaking tonight at the NAACP dinner event in Detroit.

45 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:42:20am

re: #41 Oingo Boingo

Oh... I think that's just the ticket. Because it's gonna BE the ticket, no matter who Obama may pick for VP.

Another Two-Fer presidency?

46 storagemanager  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:43:01am

Keep talking your words and Obamas...will be repeated in Hill-Billys campaign ads shortly.

47 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:43:08am

re: #44 Nevergiveup

And let's keep our eyes and ears open, if I am not mistaken, The good Rev is speaking tonight at the NAACP dinner event in Detroit.

Is it still on?

48 JWM  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:43:41am

re: #36 laZardo

Limited the power of the slave states? I still seriously believe they - through then-normal interpretations of laws - limited the power of certain people living within those states.

Representation was based on population. If the slave owning states were allowed to add slaves to their census then their representative influence would have been much greater.

JWM

49 Nevergiveup  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:43:48am

re: #47 MandyManners

Is it still on?

Why not? Have I missed something?

50 Glackinspeil  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:43:51am

I did a lot of research lasst summer for a paper on Malcom x and the noi. Not much diiference between noi and trinity ucc.
/(CAPS omitted intentionally)

51 lazypadawan  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:44:00am

Rev. Wright, the gift who keeps on giving.

52 Glackinspeil  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:45:04am

re: #44 Nevergiveup

And let's keep our eyes and ears open, if I am not mistaken, The good Rev is speaking tonight at the NAACP dinner event in Detroit.

That ought to be good

53 haakondahl  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:45:10am

re: #36 laZardo

Limited the power of the slave states? I still seriously believe they - through then-normal interpretations of laws - limited the power of certain people living within those states.

The Three-Fifths rule was designed to limit the power of the slave states by reducing the "head count" of those states for determining that state's representation in Congress. This denied slave states the ability to ram through legislation supporting slavery, and this was no coincidence. This was manifestly and explicitly the exact purpose of the three-fifths rule. It was, like so much in the Constitution, a compromise designed to get all of the states to sign.

54 uncle_monkey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:45:29am

Given the choice, I'd rather be stuck on stupid than stuck on sick.

55 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:45:33am

re: #48 JWM

That still somehow effectively left blacks - in those states at least - with only 3/5 of a vote.

56 baldylox  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:45:53am

re: #31 winston06

I am sick and tired of these Racist idiots...

Not me. I wish they would never shut up. The absolute meltdown of the far left in general and Obama's campaign in particular is fascinating to watch.

57 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:46:06am

re: #26 laZardo

Actually- the Brits foisted slavery on the American colonies:

It is abundantly clear that Britain dominated and controlled slavery in the northern colonies 125 years before the Declaration of Independence was written, and in the south, even earlier. In fact, Our Nation’s Archives: The History of the United States in Documents, says: “More than 2 million African slaves were imported to the British American colonies and the West Indies in the pre revolutionary era.” How can anyone talk about slavery in America without mentioning this fact?

/source

58 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:46:33am

Keep preaching it, rev. Every word you say drives more people to give up on pandering to the black "leadership."

Or so I'd hope ...

59 rawmuse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:47:24am

This guy is a real piece of work. Keep it up, Rev.

60 Shay4l  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:47:28am

re: #40 irongrampa

All I have to say is that Reverend Wright is NOT describing MY country.


He's describing what he sees and believes. That's how twisted the world is when you view your entire existince through an obsession with race.

I liken it to pedophilia. It's wrong, but they just.can't.help.thinking.those.thoughts!

Besides, look at how rich and famous black racists reverends become. Why would he change?

61 Glackinspeil  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:48:37am

Down in the pig mines
Keep on diggin'
You're nearly a laugh
You're nearly a laugh but you're really a cry

/Waters

62 wong fei hung  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:49:03am

Went on a date last night, with a woman I did not know was an Obaman.

When pressed, I summarized my political ideology for her: I think the two-party system is a sham and the American people are, by and large, unaware, that the people who are supposed to be representing them are working against their interests.

I also said I wouldn't vote for any of the candidates, but that I found Obama especially cringe-inducing.

"Why? Cause he's black?" she asked.

"A.) That's insulting. B.) He's an unknown quantity and part and parcel of an internationalist political machine that is selling off the sovereignty of my beloved country." I responded.

When asked what she found so appealing about BHO, she mumbled something about free college tuition and health care and then began a passionate defense of Rev. Wright (PBUH). I can debate like a gentleman. Unfortunately, it is impossible to reason with a crazed jackal.

"I think I'm ready to go home."

She snatched up her coat and headed for the exit.

Cause I insulted her God. I was keenly aware of the Obama cult phenomenon. But this really brought home the stark truth: there are millions of other people prepared to sail a man into the Oval Office on the waves of their own white guilt.

Yes. Last night, I was C-blocked by Barack Obama.

63 snowcrash  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:49:35am

This man has an historic opportunity to be the Presidents pastor (if Obama wins) and he throws it away every time he opens his mouth. Stupid is as stupid does! ( Just my typical white persons ambition speaking)

64 haakondahl  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:49:54am

re: #55 laZardo

That still somehow effectively left blacks - in those states at least - with only 3/5 of a vote.

Dude--they couldn't vote! Black people got ZERO-FIFTHS of a vote.

But their slave-holders got to count them for representation purposes. So the black person's mere existence was used against him in furthering laws which kept him down. The founding fathers were not able to get that down to zero-fifths without giving up on a Union altogether, in which case, slavery would NEVER be abolished in the slave states.

65 LeonidasOfSparta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:50:39am

talk about "stuck on stupid"... has the man never listened to his own hate? lolol as Jesus, our beloved, wisely counciled everyone: tend not the MOTE in your brother's eye; cast out the beam out of thine own eye and then you can see clearly to help your brother tend to the mote in his eye.

As I have said on numerous threads, Rev.TwoWrongsWright hasn't had a passing relationship with God or the Christ in decades. His sole (soul) interest is in his own POWER, spiritual wickedness in high places, and the adulation received from a thronging crowd of people who hate.

66 Glackinspeil  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:50:42am

re: #60 Shay4l

Besides, look at how rich and famous black racists reverends become. Why would he change?

Exactly...nail on head. Not just money...attention

67 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:52:21am

re: #57 Sharmuta

I said that Britain outlawed slavery in 1833, and the slave trade in 1807 (though back then, it took a while for such legislation to really take effect). As for your research there, well, the slaves had to be supplied by someone, and after it was outlawed, the owners took it upon themselves to create "local stock."

68 BulgarWheat  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:52:32am

re: #65 LeonidasOfSparta

Wright just slapped another name on what is essentially Nation of Islam.

A rose by any other name...

69 shibumi  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:52:51am

The attitude of groups towards the past fascinates me. Generally speaking, it doesn't seem as if the Jews as a group are shackled by the events of the Holocaust, although it happened 60+ years and there still are victims alive. As a group, they don't seem to use the Holocaust to define their existence.

The black community is somewhat different. Slavery ended in 1865 which is 143 years ago. There are no black American slaves alive, yet the community seems to be wedded to using slavery as the single issue the identifies their entire American experience, as well as their individual lives.

70 Macker  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:54:46am

re: #14 boxman

That's it Rev. - just keep telling us the "truth", right up to November!

...and it'll be an even greater Landslide for McCain than it was for Reagan!

71 Glackinspeil  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:55:20am

re: #62 wong fei hung

Sometimes it's fun to pretend to agree with lefty positions. Then exagerate and caricaturize them. Either the lib is too stupid to realize the irony or sees the lunacy for what it is. Either way is fun. Plus you may have gotten laid.

72 Macker  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:56:00am

re: #56 baldylox

Here baldy, pass me some of that popcorn!

73 jamgarr  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:56:55am

OT

George Will called Jimmah "delusional" on This Week!

74 LeonidasOfSparta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:57:02am

re: #68 BulgarWheat

you hit the nail squarely on the head.

75 Macker  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:57:12am

re: #69 shibumi

The attitude of groups towards the past fascinates me. Generally speaking, it doesn't seem as if the Jews as a group are shackled by the events of the Holocaust, although it happened 60+ years and there still are victims alive. As a group, they don't seem to use the Holocaust to define their existence.

The black community is somewhat different. Slavery ended in 1865 which is 143 years ago. There are no black American slaves alive, yet the community seems to be wedded to using slavery as the single issue the identifies their entire American experience, as well as their individual lives.

True and true...and then there are the Paleostinians...

76 wong fei hung  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:57:18am

re: #71 Glackinspeil

I hear ya. Unfortunately, I don't speak moron so I can't even pretend to agree with Leftist ideology.

But I went to a party afterward and told this story to a really cute girl from South Korea who gave me an awesome hour of makeout!

77 gman  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:58:08am
Wright said his faith “was not the jingoistic, chauvinistic ‘you’re either with us or against us’ demonizing kind of faith.”

saying "God d#$n America" is not demonizing?

and the Rev has a doctorate in ministry.
Is it possible to have someone's doctorate revoked?

78 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:58:15am

re: #67 laZardo

Sorry- my point was that it's more than forgotten who the driving force behind American slavery really was.

79 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:59:35am

re: #77 gman

saying "God d#$n America" is not demonizing?

and the Rev has a doctorate in ministry.
Is it possible to have someone's doctorate revoked?

No- that's not demonizing- that's "speaking Truth to Power".

*spit*

80 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:03:17am

re: #78 Sharmuta

Well, I do understand that Slavery was a tradition in the Americas since before Independence, so naturally the British (and/or the Spanish on the other side of the country) would've introduced it there...

81 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:04:18am

re: #69 shibumi

The attitude of groups towards the past fascinates me. Generally speaking, it doesn't seem as if the Jews as a group are shackled by the events of the Holocaust, although it happened 60+ years and there still are victims alive. As a group, they don't seem to use the Holocaust to define their existence.

But they do, and Israel is that definition! And look how living in the past has brought pain upon innocent peoples!

/Arun Gandhi mode

82 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:04:59am

Well y'all - this is just another example of why I refer to the Reverend Jeremiah Wright as the "Racist Rev". I do wish you'd all join in referring to him this way; any other way would be at the very least inaccurate and take too long.
Racist Rev = Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

83 opnion  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:07:00am

When I drive past the graveyards in my area today populated by the graves of young men who died to end slavery I will think of Reverend Wright.
I will think of him & wish that I could give him an enthusiastic kick in his unchristian , un American., racist ass.

84 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:07:07am

re: #82 realwest

Can I use Reverend Wrong?

85 alacrityfitzhugh  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:08:23am
“planted slavery and white supremacy in the DNA of this republic,”

People who are ignorant of both science and history should comment on neither!

86 Sol Roth  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:08:24am

#62 wong fei hung


When asked what she found so appealing about BHO, she mumbled something about free college tuition and health care and then began a passionate defense of Rev. Wright (PBUH).

...Yes. Last night, I was C-blocked by Barack Obama.

1. Your post illustrates the mindset of the Obammunists perfectly.
2. You were C-blocked by your own good sense.

WTG.

87 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:08:36am

re: #64 haakondahl

Wowza. And that is conveniently left out of history books - or at least in sections that people don't tend to remember - and why?

I also wonder if they'd remember how early abolitionists championed the right to gun ownership, since slaves could not own guns as much as they couldn't vote.

88 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:09:33am

re: #62 wong fei hung

Never discuss politics on a date. My date Friday was with an admitted socialist. Should be a fun relationship if we hit it off.

89 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:10:28am

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this or not, but I think we need to wrap Barrack Hussein Obama as closely to the Racist Rev as he really is.
It's just ridiculous that he gets a pass everytime the Racist Rev makes one of his hatefilled spews, trying to pass himself off as a man of God.
The Racist Rev is not a Christian under any definition of which I'm aware and neither is Barrack Hussein Obama. That he continues to attend Trinity "Church" and that his relationship of over 20 years and his marriage by and baptism of his children by the Racist Rev STILL doesn't receive the media coverage it truly deserves for America to make an intelligent, informed vote for POTUS in 2008 is absolutely shameful, disgusting and wrong.
The "Fourth Estate" long ago proved it didn't understand the term "journalism" and has now morphed into the Fifth Column if this is allowed to pass a la the Chicago Sun-Times.

90 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:11:34am

re: #80 laZardo

It was more than "introducing" it. It was used as a tool to keep the Americans subservient. Slavery is not much different than today's welfare. Due to supporting their slaves, owners could never really get ahead; just as welfare today provides enough to live on, but keeps the recipient at a disadvantage- beholden to the system. Slavery kept slave owners beholden to the system, and thus it was a tool used by the Empire to keep Americans subservient to the Crown.

91 nyc redneck  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:15:37am

wright is trying to cause racial strife and confrontation. i bet he actually, hopes to see rioting in the streets. that would make this pos happy. he is a demented person. he needs to be ridiculed and laughed at and impugned by people of all races who see how great our country is and how far we have come. i think wright is a buffoon to most people. i do hope he keeps talking. it is good that these haters reveal themselves.

92 BabbaZee  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:16:11am

And now for something completely different:

Pastor David Ortiz...the real deal.

Antidote to this SOB Wright
This Commislamist Gramscian Operative Of Stanianity,
This MFer, Reverend Wrongo Von Black Hammer

Woe unto you Jeremiah Wright
your tongue digs your grave


On the attack: Messianics: Attack on boy one of many

WLGF out

93 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:17:08am

re: #90 Sharmuta
Hi Sharm! And let us please not forget that the Typical White Southern Man did not own slaves and indeed competed with slaves for jobs and work.
There are many, many historians who claim, with justification, that the Confederate Armies were composed of 95% White Men who did not own slaves.
They were fighting the North for their State's rights.

94 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:18:43am

re: #84 laZardo Oh he's wrong, but I do think Racist Rev is a MUCH more accurate short description of Jeremiah Wright.

95 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:19:46am

re: #92 BabbaZee

...that Pastor's not authentic! He's just sucking up to the white order!

/massive sarc

96 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:20:50am

re: #91 nyc redneck
Yeah, but I also bet he wants to be in his 10,000 square foot mansion, in a gated, nearly all white suburb of Chicago BEFORE the riots commence.

97 Jonn Lilyea  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:21:07am

The best way to perpetuate the myth of institutional racism is to talk about the past as if it's happening now. Wright quoted Jefferson (probably one of the whitest guys in Philadelphia the day the nation was founded since he was a redhead), he must be aware that that because the whites had all of the power, it was white people who freed the slaves. It was white people who fought against slavery both politically and militarily. Martin Luther King, Jr. wouldn't have reached any level of prominence if he hadn't gained support from some white people.

Yet somehow, we're all lumped into this racist society that Wright needs to wave like a bloody shirt.

My great-great grandfather (George Washington Twitchell) walked from Upstate New York to Indiana to join the Army (44th Indiana) and fight slavery. Last I checked, he was a white American.

98 ggt  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:21:44am

re: #48 JWM

Because of the 3/5th clause it was. The Southern landowning, wealthy class was the original tyranny of the minority. They were over represented in Congress cried "states's rights" any time their economic base (slavery) was threatened.

Thomas Jefferson was at the forefront of this. He was so far in debt he couldn't conceive of a world without black slavery.

Just finished a book called American Creation --which adds to this history --and includes some interesting history about the Native American that isn't taught in the history books.

99 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:22:20am

re: #93 realwest

A justification for that requiring mainly common sense is that if those soldiers did own slaves, then there wouldn't be many able-bodied men back at home/the plantation to watch over them.

100 wong fei hung  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:23:02am

re: #88 Noam Sayin'

I hear you about not talking politics on a date, but I have no regrets.

If you can't talk about religion or politics without being able to keep a level head and calmly, mutually agree to discuss at a later date when things get heated, then you are lacking in self-control. Your date, though a socialist, has the ability to reason, even if it's skewed (well, she is a socialist!). My date's response was completely emotional. She literally became unhinged.

That's not somebody I wanna be with.

Best of luck though, man. I don't see why Carville/Matalin should be the exception to the rule ;)

101 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:23:39am

re: #97 Jonn Lilyea Yes, of course it's true that so many White Men died to end slavery.
But let us please not forget the White People who emmigrated to America AFTER slavery had ended.
The Racist Rev wants to lump all Whites together and then complains when some Whites lump all Blacks together.
That's one of the reasons I call him the Racist Rev.

102 vagabond trader  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:23:46am

Meantime, Rev Wright is eschewing all those typical nasty white values by building a mansion in a predominantly white gated community. His protege, the Obama, pontificates about those mean small town rednecks who among other non elitist qualities, are xenophobic and anti free trade.Thought the Obama was against trade agreements. I am confuzed. Cannot make this stuff up. Keep yipping away!

103 ggt  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:24:21am

re: #55 laZardo

Blacks in Southern States didn't effectively get the right-to-vote until 1967 and the Civil Rights Act. Until the Civil War, they were counted 3/5ths--without suffrage. After the Civil War they were counted as full citizens --again with out suffrage.

104 BenZacharia  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:26:42am

re: #103 ggt


During recosntrution former slaves elected the first blacks to congress, then the Dems ended resconstruction and put them back in chains where they they have been ever since. beholden to the slave owners aka Democrats ever since.

105 BenZacharia  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:27:39am

TTFN™, gotta grab some smoke and lunch and go sit with the wifffeee.
Goneski

106 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:27:44am

re: #99 laZardo If you can, my friend, try to get ahold of a copy of Ken Burn's documentary on the Civil War - it's LONG -iirc nearly 7+1/2 hours and see just what did happen in the civil war.
The majority of white Plantation Owners FOUGHT in the Civil war and indeed used their own money to pay for their volunteer battalions and companies.
the 95% total was truly reflective of Southern Society ante-bellum; less than 5% of White Southeners owned slaves, but the two largest slave owners were Free Black Americans.

107 ggt  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:29:16am

re: #80 laZardo

Slavery was the tradition ALL OVER the planet until very recently. In the space of 200 (?) years, we as thinking human beings, have nearly eradicated an age-old commodity.

Personally, I'm impressed.

Now, if we can democratize the ME, culture santioned slavery might truly be a thing of the past.

108 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:30:55am

re: #106 realwest

...less than 5% of White Southeners owned slaves, but the two largest slave owners were Free Black Americans.

Don't know if Marie Therese Coincoin was one of the "largest" slave owners, but she was indeed a free black who owned slaves, along with her family, beginning late 1700's:

[Link: www.preservenatchitoches.org...]

109 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:32:54am

re: #106 realwest

I wonder if one of those two was the Racist Rev's ancestor.

110 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:34:41am
111 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:36:31am

re: #98 ggt Um, with all due respect: a) there were only two real drafts of the Declaration of Independence and both were written by Thomas Jefferson; in the first draft he included a paragraph that there would be no slavery in the new United States of America - this paragraph was deleted by Ben Franklin who correctly told TJ that the southern colonies would NEVER accept the Declaration with that paragraph in it and there would NEVER be a United States of America if only New England and New York were to rebel; b) on several different occasions, Thomas Jefferson tried to free his slaves only to be blocked by courts by creditors to whom TJ was in debt, with those creditors claiming that the slaves were valuable property and Jefferson couldn't "give them away" without paying the creditors first. The courts agreed and blocked TJ from freeing his slaves in every case (iirc there were 5 of them); c) TJ became a member of the Commonwealth of Virginia's legislative body and for 12 straight years introduced legistlation to emancipate all slaves in the Commonwealth of Virigina. In all 12 years he was out voted by the other legislators.

112 ggt  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:37:32am

fam is calling me -- sorry If I missed anyone

bbl

113 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:38:35am

re: #55 laZardo

That still somehow effectively left blacks - in those states at least - with only 3/5 of a vote.

You're kidding, right?

114 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:39:26am

re: #113 abolitionist

I wasn't. At least until I read the posts that followed to reply to it...

115 Carolyn  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:40:16am

I am sick to death of this sort of racist BS.
Education is the key to success in this country.
If you have the education, nobody can deny you a top job, no matter what your race.
The "Rev." is just playing the same old song on his tired instrument, it is working...he has a 10 million $ mansion now.
How in the hell can he truthfully claim to be kept down by the man?

116 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:41:05am

re: #103 ggt Well, after the Civil War they DID have the right to vote, but white southener's (Democrats) made literacy requirements which the blacks could never meet as a pre-condition to voting so they were effectively denied the right to vote.
And the United States Supreme Court has held, on several occasions that it is entirely up to the States to determine voting matters (see the Gore cases over the 2000 election).

117 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:43:55am
Escalating into full-preaching mode, Wright thundered, “Fox News can’t understand that. [Bill] O’Reilly will never get that. Sean Hannity’s stupid fantasy will keep him forever stuck on stupid when it comes to comprehending how you can love a brother who does not believe what you believe. [Pincham’s] faith was a faith in a God who loved the whole world not just one country or one creed.”

If Wright loves brothers who do not believe what he believes, how come he doesn't love O'Reilly and Hannity?

118 leah  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:44:58am

you guys just don't understand Obama or Jeremiah Wright...I mean come on...Keith Ellison says if people just knew more about Islam - Wright's comments wouldn't even be considered controversial...

119 leah  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:46:01am

sarc tag now off

120 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:50:38am

re: #117 rightymouse

"'Cuz O'Reilly and Hannity aren't bruthas."

/Wright Mode off

121 jopa416  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:51:31am

You know, I am awfully tired of people acting as if Slavery were a "United States only" industry.

The slave trade, which ended 150 years ago, was a world wide industry which employed, among others, blacks in Africa who captured other blacks in Africa for the trade.

I wonder if people like Obama & Wright could even handle the truth.

122 Sacred Plants  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:51:55am

Is the American republic is a genetically modified state or Reverend Wright a genetically modified Muslim?

123 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:52:27am
“You don’t change who you are because of where you are. You don’t stop telling the truth because it is not politically correct or it makes a racist uncomfortable. You don’t blame other folks for not fixing some of the problems in our own community that we can and need to fix ourselves.”

No kidding. Except I'm not sure Wright can see the jaw-dropping, hypocritical irony of his comments.

124 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:52:59am

Let Mr. Wright choke on this: Fauré's Violin Sonata No. 1. Typical white person passion, I guess.

125 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:53:26am

re: #111 realwest

George Washington is another Founder who's completely misconstrued in regards to his owning of slaves. I'm not sure if there's another Founder who was more compassionate to the needs of his slaves (and his wife's) than General Washington. He was incapable of freeing Martha's slaves, and he would have freed his own, but for the fact they were so inter-married with Martha's that to do so would have broken up families, which he was not wont to do. Most of the slaves at Mount Vernon were either too young to work, too old to work, or too sick to work- meaning the majority of the Mount Vernon slaves were not working. General Washington fed them well, and got them medical attention, yet he is portrayed by the ignorant as a typical white slave owner in the attempt to besmirch his character.

126 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:53:51am

re: #121 jopa416 With all due respect, I wish that the slave trade had ended 150 years ago. Alas, it's still BIG business in Africa and the Middle East.

127 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:54:26am

re: #125 Sharmuta

Doesn't change the fact that he owned more of them than pretty much any other Founding Father at the time...

128 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:56:38am

re: #125 Sharmuta

I don't understand. Where were Martha's slaves?

129 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:57:01am

re: #127 laZardo

No, actually- he didn't. The majority were his wife's. Martha was the money in that relationship.

130 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:57:06am

re: #126 realwest

Piracy, too, from French and Italian reports.

131 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:59:05am

re: #128 godfrey

The majority of slaves at Mount Vernon were Curtis slaves, not Washington's.

132 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:59:37am

re: #120 laZardo

"'Cuz O'Reilly and Hannity aren't bruthas."

/Wright Mode off

[Pincham’s] faith was a faith in a God who loved the whole world not just one country or one creed.

I'm reading this to mean to love everyone. Looks like Wright is selective about the lovin' bit 'cause he definitely hates white people.

133 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 9:59:38am

re: #126 realwest

And Haiti.

134 EyesWideOpen  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:02:01am

It seems to me that if Senator Obama is looking for bitterness he does not need to visit a small town. He can get a pretty good dose of it by picking up a phone and calling his spiritual mentor. He might also be treated to a vicious racist, hate-filled, government conspiracy rant.

Unless BHO denounces and distances himself completely from Rev. Wright, I can't see how anyone can call him a uniter, let alone vote for him.

135 Kong_an563  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:03:35am

re: #6 ec marm

You don’t blame other folks for not fixing some of the problems in our own community that we can and need to fix ourselves


What problems is he talking about, and what are his proposed solutions?

136 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:04:31am

More typical white person music, this time from a Russian. Crank it up. Marcovici's tone is glorious, makes you thankful to be human.

137 laZardo  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:05:52am

1 AM and I'm actually going to bed now. z_z G'night Reptilia, and thanks for the re-education. XD

138 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:05:55am

re: #125 Sharmuta Excellent post! There can be no denying that slavery was (and regrettably still is - see my #126 -
But as with Washington and Jefferson, painting the forefathers or all white people as being slave holders or somehow desiring slavery is not only factually incorrect, but totally ignores ALL the contributions made by White Men who served in the Union Forces during the Civil War and all the Whites who created and ran the Underground Railroad.
The Racist Rev is a genuine POS.

139 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:08:58am

re: #138 realwest

Sharmuta is a marvel.

Wright's ridiculous generalizing from the few to the many is despicable.

People used to be taught that it's despicable to elevate yourself (or your race) by putting others down. Somehow Wright missed that lesson, and not only does he put down "whites," he puts down the whole country founded on principles that made slavery incompatible with the USA. Permanently!

He has the moral vision of a cockroach.

140 mean Gene  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:09:36am

I think O'Reilly ans Hannity can ''get it.''
After all they are smart enough to probably already know that four* ancient Greek words - all very different from one another - are all translated into modern English as "love.'

Wright says:

Fox News can’t understand that. [Bill] O’Reilly will never get that. Sean Hannity’s stupid fantasy will keep him forever stuck on stupid when it comes to comprehending how you can love a brother who does not believe what you believe.

Well, the ''love'' he uses here is "philia,'' the love of brother...like in Philidelphia, the city of ''brotherly love.''
When Jesus spoke of ''loving'' one's Christian brother he used the Greek term for supreme love; "agape.''
Agape love is love based on shared principle, the highest and most enduring love.
So, it is Wright who twists language within the limitations in English to lower the type of love he has...only for his black brothers, right or wrong, when, were he even a first-year Greek student he would know he is the one who is wrong.


The other two Greek terms also simply translated as "love" in English are "Storge" (love of family, literally 'around the hearth')
and "Eros," (erotic, sexual attraction)

141 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:09:46am

I also find it hilarious that Wright spits on the Founding Fathers, yet quotes Jefferson to make one of his points. Hey! Wright! Did Jefferson (A Founding Father) plant all that white supremacy DNA too while he was being all patriotic in his writings about slavery?

142 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:10:51am

re: #127 laZardo I've asked you before to please better educate yourself on American history, particularly the colonial period, the Revolutionary War and the Civil War.
Slavery was LEGAL when Washington/his wife owned slaves. Indeed slavery was legal in the entire "civilized world" (meaning, for the most part, Western Europe) at the time of the American Revolution.
Please read my #111 and Sharmuta's #125 in that light.

143 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:11:45am

Rightymouse, I bet Wright actually thinks his "DNA" metaphor is insightful.

lol

144 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:12:04am

re: #141 rightymouse

Heh. Please also read my #111 - something which the Racist Rev is obviously unaware or doesn't care.

145 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:12:21am

re: #138 realwest

Many of these race baiters are completely silent on modern day slavery. I recently read the opening chapter of a book on the subject titled A Crime So Monstrous: Face-to-Face with Modern-Day Slavery. Powerful and damning stuff. Where does rev. wright stand on this modern day abomination? Where is the outcry from those who desire to continue to beat the drum of the past crying victimhood?

146 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:12:36am

re: #111 realwest

Really good stuff, realwest. Bookmarked!

147 Annar  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:13:17am

re: #121 jopa416

You know, I am awfully tired of people acting as if Slavery were a "United States only" industry.

The slave trade, which ended 150 years ago, was a world wide industry which employed, among others, blacks in Africa who captured other blacks in Africa for the trade.

I wonder if people like Obama & Wright could even handle the truth.

Many of these slave traders were card carrying members of the Religion of Peace which is the official religion of the only remaining places where slavery is still practiced. Maybe Raverend Wright ought to take history lessons on slavery with his soul brother Imam Farrakhan.

148 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:13:23am

re: #145 Sharmuta

It takes away from his game. Can't have side-shows.

149 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:14:17am

re: #134 EyesWideOpen

"if Senator Obama is looking for bitterness" all he has to do is watch the Racist Rev's sermons which are all on DVD and which you know Barrack Hussein Obama owns.

150 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:14:18am

re: #139 godfrey

{godfrey} Thank you for your kind words.

151 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:16:58am

re: #143 godfrey

Rightymouse, I bet Wright actually thinks his "DNA" metaphor is insightful.

lol

With all the hootin' and hollerin' going on in the church, I can just bet he thinks he's discovered the Holy Grail of bumper-sticker theology.

152 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:17:16am

re: #139 godfrey

Godfrey - yes she is! But, I would ask you to read my #111 as well. The Founding Fathers weren't all that keen on slavery either (or at least the most influential Founding Father and the one who authored the Declaration of Independence.

153 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:18:54am

re: #152 realwest

Completely. You taught history, right? It shows. We need more like you!

154 haakondahl  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:19:44am

re: #127 laZardo

Doesn't change the fact that he owned more of them than pretty much any other Founding Father at the time...

Look. Over in Africa were a long line of black men who made empires off of selling their brothers into slavery. And in America was a long line of white men who abolished slavery. You're not going to convince me that Washington et al were some sort of monsters. They are our heroes. I'm not defending slave-holding. I'm rejoicing in the way that these men fought a multi-generational war to end slavery in America.

The same way that we are fighting to end slavery in the Middle East now. Now, as then, everything is tied to everything else. It becomes very easy to view moments from history through the lens of the present, but it shows you only what you wanted it to. You have to look at the sweep of events--those men did well, and left to us a fortune in real and moral goods. We don't have the right to piss on what we have been given, and at so dear a cost. It took a hundred years and half a million American lives to get rid of slavery. Don't nit-pick.

155 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:20:40am

re: #152 realwest

You and godfrey are making me well up here! Thank you.

156 Strike Hornet  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:22:08am

re: #76 wong fei hung

I hear ya. Unfortunately, I don't speak moron so I can't even pretend to agree with Leftist ideology.

But I went to a party afterward and told this story to a really cute girl from South Korea who gave me an awesome hour of makeout!

As with any cult, Obamaian Women pledge themselves totally to the Cult Master...
You never had a chance...

157 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:23:17am

re: #145 Sharmuta Ah Sharm! GREAT post and link, thank you!
But, as I know you know too well, the race-baiter's of today don't really care about the plight of the average, ordinary black man and woman (else they'd live in the communities that house most of them). For the race baiter's, Blacks are only good for two things, and in this order: money for the race baiter's and votes for the Democratic Party.

If they really cared, they wouldn't paint with such broad brushes but still miss out on the Black Brothers IN Africa who sold the American Slaves to the White Man in the first place and if they really cared about slavery, they would, as you and I have both posted, correctly, be extremely concerned with the continuing slave trade in predominantly Black/African and Muslim nations.

158 wanderer  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:24:11am

In the census of 1860 three-fourths of white households in the slave states owned NO slaves. Less than 1,800 houesholds owned 100 (the great plantations) or more slaves and most slaveowning households owned one or two.
Slave ownership in the south was a privilege of a very small oligarchy that bore such well-recognized political names as Gore, Carter, Byrd, Harrison etc. (Harry Truman's mother was descended from the Virginia Harrisons and his given birth name was Harrison). Furthermore the oligarchic elite of all southern states were interlocked by ties of blood and marriage making the south a caste system. In economic reality slavery was a tiger the South had grasped by the tail and feared letting go, a ferocious animal that kept them poor.
Today all but post New Deal democrats know that a nation's wealth must constantly be renewed and is created by capital investment of savings, invention, innovation, and entrepreneurship not the sweat of grunt slave or unlettered immigrant labor. Slavery which gave a few entrenched oligarchs economic benefits was a detriment to the southern economy. iIt created negative incentives to work hard, creatively, and be productive.
Because the poor whites of the entirely agricultural South had to compete with unpaid slaves they remained impoverished and kept from access to landownership by the congressionaly powerful alliance of slavholders and land speculators that worked tirelessly to keep public lands for the use of slave cultivated plantations by lobbying federal government to sell public lands only by the section (640 acres at a $1.25 an acre) in cash only for the impossible total of $800, an amount that was impossible for most poor whites to either save or borrow. The end result forced poor whites to become either illegal squatters, settle for infertile lands not wanted by the plantation holding elites, or move west.
Slavery while benefiting the oligarchy kept everyone else in the South poor. To paraphrase a quote from George Washington Carver, slavery forced southern whites to get down in the ditch to hold the black slaves down. Carver's word were certainly true economically as well as socially and politically.

159 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:24:14am

re: #154 haakondahl

Very well put.

You all have actual historical imagination. You know how rare that is? I can't tell you how many times I've heard bits of history put through the ideological mill, for all kinds of complexities to be turned out like so many identical hammers, the better to beat us with.

I hope and pray that our great-great-grandsons and daughters will judge us with the same generosity and accuracy.

160 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:24:45am

re: #144 realwest

Heh. Please also read my #111 - something which the Racist Rev is obviously unaware or doesn't care.

That's a very good one! I suspect that historical facts mean little to Wright.

If Wright is all worked up about slavery which ended here over 140 years ago, but can't bring himself to condemn modern slavery perpetrated by his Muslim brothers, then I suspect it's not really slavery that he's upset about.

161 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:26:29am

re: #160 rightymouse

No, he's upset because it serves his interests. For Wright, I suspect this is mainly an opportunity for conspicuous moral preening.

162 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:27:02am

re: #146 godfrey Thank you.
But didja ding me up? ROTFLMAO!

163 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:27:03am

re: #157 realwest

Spot on.

164 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:28:01am

re: #162 realwest

lol - yes! yes! uncle!

165 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:28:47am

re: #157 realwest

Ah Sharm! GREAT post and link, thank you!
But, as I know you know too well, the race-baiter's of today don't really care about the plight of the average, ordinary black man and woman
...
If they really cared, they wouldn't paint with such broad brushes but still miss out on the Black Brothers IN Africa who sold the American Slaves to the White Man in the first place and if they really cared about slavery, they would, as you and I have both posted, correctly, be extremely concerned with the continuing slave trade in predominantly Black/African and Muslim nations.

And also continuously miss out on a number of free blacks in the South who themselves owned slaves ...

166 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:29:08am

re: #157 realwest

Indeed- and to be specific, it was African muslims who were doing the majority of the selling of their African brethren to the European slave traders. Of course- the cream of the crop in slaves were taken back to the middle east to be sold in the markets there, but that still left plenty for the Europeans, and all condoned by the koran to boot.

167 debutaunt  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:29:20am

re: #88 Noam Sayin'

Never discuss politics on a date. My date Friday was with an admitted socialist. Should be a fun relationship if we hit it off.

How can you have a relationship that's defined by who you aren't?

168 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:29:38am

re: #134 EyesWideOpen

Unless BHO denounces and distances himself completely from Rev. Wright, I can't see how anyone can call him a uniter, let alone vote for him.

I think it's too late for the usual political "distancing." This whole scandal broke more than a month ago (a year if you listen to talk radio), but Obama's basically been ignoring it in the hope that it will go away. In the end, I think the fact that he won't be honest about the association hurts his credibility more than the association itself.

169 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:30:05am

re: #161 godfrey

No, he's upset because it serves his interests. For Wright, I suspect this is mainly an opportunity for conspicuous moral preening.

It certainly isn't slavery he's upset about. That's for sure.

Reminds me of some of the temperance people who would holler about the dangers of alcohol and go tipple quietly when nobody could see them.

170 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:30:32am

re: #153 godfrey LOL! Well that was my major in college and I was accepted into the University of Virginia's Accelerated PhD program, but LBJ thought I'd better serve the nation carrying a rifle through a rice paddy in Vietnam!
I did however sneak in all that I said in #111 and some of what Sharm has said when I taught Grad students "American Legal Systems"!
I LOVE AMERICA - THE IDEA, THE IDEAL AND THE REAL AMERICA.

171 wanderer  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:31:25am

#110
Iron Fist

A majority of Black Americans voted republican until 1960 when Nixon's campaign aides convinced not to post MLK's bail money because they were hoping to get the South's segregationists to vote for Nixon against the Roman Catholic Kennedy.
Kennedy than posted MLK's bail and got the black vote in Chicago and Nixon laost the electoral vote and the rest is history!

172 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:31:35am

re: #157 realwest

Ah Sharm! GREAT post and link, thank you!
But, as I know you know too well, the race-baiter's of today don't really care about the plight of the average, ordinary black man and woman (else they'd live in the communities that house most of them). For the race baiter's, Blacks are only good for two things, and in this order: money for the race baiter's and votes for the Democratic Party.

You just know that one's gonna be taken completely out of context over at Kos.

173 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:32:01am

re: #155 Sharmuta

It is truly well deserved! But, uh, what do you mean making you well? Are you not feeling well?

174 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:32:02am

re: #166 Sharmuta

Sharm, this Islamic Slavery business is a giant-killer of an idea. If that gets more press, movies, etc., it will be a very powerful wedge. No lefty, no matter how deranged, will risk equivocating on slavery. That would be political suicide.

We should beat this drum above all else.

175 crimsonfisted  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:32:42am

re: #117 rightymouse

If Wright loves brothers who do not believe what he believes, how come he doesn't love O'Reilly and Hannity?

Or pray for them. The Pope offered prayers for terrorists, that they may come to God's grace.

176 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:33:17am

re: #158 wanderer Truly an excellent post!
Thank you.

177 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:34:47am

re: #173 realwest

I meant "well up" in that you two brought a tear to my eye. I was quite touched by the kindness of you and godfrey.

178 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:35:09am

re: #158 wanderer

Am currently reading Truman's biography by David McCullough. Was shocked to see how bigoted the Democrats were in his day. Even Truman was known to say some things that would make us bug-eyed.

179 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:35:12am

I'm not at all surprised at the Sun-Times whitewashing the remarks. After all, it's the newspaper sold by junkies in the middle of the road at 6 am.

180 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:35:29am

re: #165 reine.de.tout
Shish! You're not supposed to talk about them, doncha know? Whaddya want to be called a racist or something?!

181 warlock  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:36:20am
You don’t stop telling the truth because it is not politically correct or it makes a racist uncomfortable.

Wow, so I guess our government really did invent AIDS to kill off the black man and homosexual.

182 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:38:01am

re: #175 crimsonfisted

Or pray for them. The Pope offered prayers for terrorists, that they may come to God's grace.

That's the difference between Wright and the Pope. One preaches hate, fear and vitriol and the other preaches God's love.

183 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:39:19am

re: #174 godfrey

I agree! As well as the condoning of violence against women.

Funny- twice now in the last few months I've spoken to people about the koran in which I was told the koran didn't say what I said it did, so I asked, "have you read the koran?" The response both times was "no". So I said, "how can you tell me what the koran says or doesn't say if you haven't read it?" Most people are floored when told the koran condones both of these abominations, and upon learning this truth about islam, are completely repelled by it- rightfully so.

184 haakondahl  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:40:05am

re: #181 warlock

Wow, so I guess our government really did invent AIDS to kill off the black man and homosexual.

You could say that we "implanted it in their DNA". He doesn't speak without precision, you know. There's a reason he "went there". Whenever it sounds like God Damned Jeremiah Wright doesn't know what he's saying--he knows exactly what he's saying. He is Yes, that screwed up.

185 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:44:18am

re: #172 Fat Jolly Penguin Oh hell, everything I've ever posted that was positive about America or the Founding Fathers could and for all I know WILL be quoted out of context and I just don't give a shit.
Most folks out here on LGF are intelligent, concerned people,who engage in serious discussions about relevent matters, albeit with a healthy dose of humor.
Most folks at KOS are bitter, whiney, let-someone-else-do-it types. Screw Them! (h/t Markos Zunigas)

186 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:45:47am

re: #177 Sharmuta
Aw shucks Ma'am (kicks pebble with his shoe, head down and hands in pockets) t'weren't nothing!

187 Pass The Moonbaticide  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:45:53am
Founding Fathers Planted White Supremacy in the DNA of America

So they had DNA-altering abilities almost 250 years ago ? Interesting .
Mind you, it fits with the rest of the BS being preached from that pulpit. Don't they believe that the entire white race was created in a laboratory retort by a mad scientist ?

188 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:47:26am

re: #182 rightymouse
Hey righty! Spot on post! Thanks!

189 irongrampa  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:47:27am

Hopefully, Obama will fall victim to the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy.

190 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:49:46am

re: #183 Sharmuta You know it's sorta funny. I've read two different translations of the Koran (to make sure there was no bias in the translator's work) and I've had the same exact conversation! When I tell them they should go read it for themselves, they actually said they didn't have to, THEY KNEW WHAT IT SAID! LOL!

191 jenv  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:52:21am

re: #110 Iron Fist

Republicans freed the slaves who have voted Democrat ever since. It is quite puzzling.


Even more puzzling is blacks who convert to Islam, the ultimate slave-owning anti-black religion.

192 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:54:01am

re: #189 irongrampa Alas, I'm afraid that won't happen. The media's already given Barrack Hussein Obama a pass cause he "distanced himself" from the Racist Rev and while I'd HOPE Fox, O'Reilly and Hannity would hit back HARD, with FACTS, I think Fox is going to be too intimidated to allow that to happen.
And ya know the rest of the MSM will fall in line.

193 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:57:27am

re: #145 Sharmuta

Many of these race baiters are completely silent on modern day slavery. I recently read the opening chapter of a book on the subject titled A Crime So Monstrous: Face-to-Face with Modern-Day Slavery. Powerful and damning stuff. Where does rev. wright stand on this modern day abomination? Where is the outcry from those who desire to continue to beat the drum of the past crying victimhood?


I doubt he would say anything except that we were racist to bring it up in the first place, or some other kind of nonsensical retort. It's not really slavery that he's worked up about. It can't be, or he would be condemning this just as loudly as other historical periods of black slavery in the world. Is it possible that he's unaware of the slavery problem today? Maybe. But I doubt it.

194 realwest  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:57:39am

Well I guess everyone's off to the next thread or going to church or eating lunch - which I'm gonna go do now (eat lunch, that is).
Just wanted to say thanks to all for some truly enlightening and entertaining comments out here.
Hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

195 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:58:36am

re: #188 realwest

Hey righty! Spot on post! Thanks!

Thanky honey. :)

196 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:58:52am

re: #190 realwest

Members of the "reality based community", no doubt. We know what we'd like the koran to say, so that must be true! I've always told anyone I've spoken to about the koran to fact check my ass- that's usually enough to at least end the discussion, and to this day none of them have come back to challenge me because, of course, they can't.

197 grumpy old codger  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:59:58am

re: #191 jenv
Another fascinating scenario comes from the 60's, when a lot of my black friends were discovering their "true" identities, that is, their islamic background. They hyped islam as a native religion, untainted by Western values. Of course, they were totally ignoring the fact that Christianity was firmly established in Africa before the islamic invasions. It was this invasion, accompanied by the avoidance of dhimmi status, that made islam "local".
But as John Ford had Alexander Scourby say in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence", "when legend becomes fact, print the legend".

198 DistantThunder  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:01:31am

Hmmm: I wonder if Rev. Wright ever heard of the source of this quote:

"He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters." - Matthew 12:30

I'm sure that Rev. Wright thinks of himself as morally superior to the person (Jesus) who stated this principle.

199 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:02:50am

re: #193 rightymouse

Actually- I think there is a lot of people who are completely unaware that slavery is still rampant on this planet. It's not on the news, and the ambassadors of hollywood aren't championing it, so it must not exist.

200 Carolyn  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:10:49am

From Rev. Wrong's rant:

And while Wright made no mention of terrorism, he did revisit the topic of America’s mistreatment of blacks, saying America’s founding fathers “planted slavery and white supremacy in the DNA of this republic,” and adding that Thomas Jefferson wrote, “ ‘God would punish America for the sin of slavery.’ I guess that makes Thomas Jefferson unpatriotic,” he said to the cheers of the congregation.

Reflecting on the late Pincham, Wright said his faith “was not the jingoistic, chauvinistic ‘you’re either with us or against us’ demonizing kind of faith.” Wright said Pincham was friends with “Jews, Muslims, rabbis, imams, fathers in the Catholic church and [Louis] Farrakhan in the Islamic faith.”


From the book of Matthew:
“Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

201 Carolyn  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:12:19am

re: #198 DistantThunder

Just read your post, ditto

202 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:12:21am

re: #199 Sharmuta

Actually- I think there is a lot of people who are completely unaware that slavery is still rampant on this planet. It's not on the news, and the ambassadors of hollywood aren't championing it, so it must not exist.

I agree with that, although one would think Wright was more informed. But if he is unaware, what about other periods of history in the world where slavery occurred outside of the U.S.?

203 BarackObama  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:19:57am

The more the Rev. makes controversial statements and is recognized with media coverage, the more street cred he gets within his community.

Unfortunately for BHO, what's good for Wright is damaging his campaign. Ironically, it is BHO's credibility as a candidate that empowers the Rev., but in acting in self-interest, he undermines that foundation of credibility.

Will the Rev. back off and quiet down until after November? I think not. It seems that they tried to sweep him under the rug (retirement, trip to Africa) but he has floated back to the surface to raise even more stink... hmmm... kinda like the turd he is.

I dont see this stopping. Question is, will McCain be willing to leverage this? Call him to the carpet to reject new statements by both the Rev. and the new church pastor? If so, will it work? Dunno.

204 haakondahl  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:25:21am

re: #203 BarackObama

Question is, will McCain be willing to leverage this?

I hope that he will, after their convention.

205 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:25:59am

re: #203 BarackObama

McCain will let it lie. Obama "made his statement on the Rev," and it effectively ends there. McCain will make an issue of other things, like Obama's complete lack of any kind of leadership experience in a very, very turbulent and violent world.

Obama has nothing real to offer.

That's the issue.

206 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:30:34am

Meanwhile, here's a heart-rendingly beautiful second movement from Bruch's violin concerto by Silvia Marcovici.

Get rid of everything you feel about "classical music," leave aside all your previous reactions to the words "violin concerto," and just imagine that this violin is a magnificent woman who sums up the entire experience of a community and sings her heart out on their behalf.

Politicians and huckstering pastors aren't a twentieth as eloquent as this.

207 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:30:57am
208 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:32:27am
209 BarackObama  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:32:52am

re: #205 godfrey

Obama made his statement, and by all accounts it was a 'great' speech, but nobody really factored in that Wright would continue to spout out the seperatist vitriol that put him in the crosshairs of the larger public.

Obama continues to be a member of the Trinity UCC and they now have a new Pastor that appears to be a bad sequel to Wright.

Can this cease to be an issue if Obama's affiliation with Trinity continues?

210 elandadem  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:33:27am

Perhaps a little cash could help extract that DNA and eradicate it.

How 'bout if we all confess to our collective inherited guilt and pay reparations for 2 centuries plus of slavery and the century and a half aftermath which created an environment in which no African-American could ever succeed?

211 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:34:29am

re: #209 BarackObama

No, but the question was whether McCain will be the one to keep it on a front burner. I don't think he will. Doesn't mean we shouldn't keep the story alive. It gives the lie to Obama's slick surface.

212 BabbaZee  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:34:41am

re: #206 godfrey

Get rid of everything you feel about "classical music," leave aside all your previous reactions to the words "violin concerto,"


I LOVE classical music (and violin concertos)

There are people here who do not feel this way?

Blasphemy!

213 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:35:13am

re: #208 ploome hineni

The link is denying the referral.

214 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:36:23am
215 BarackObama  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:37:01am

re: #206 godfrey

Ahhh... beautiful!

216 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:37:26am

re: #212 BabbaZee

Perlman plays the snot out of this one. Power! Love! Passion!

217 BabbaZee  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:39:23am

re: #216 godfrey

Yes he does.

The Joy of the Lord is his strength.

218 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:40:26am

re: #214 ploome hineni

Love it.

219 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:44:14am

That's the wonderful thing. Here we have two different precise passions: the soaring precisions of Bruch, and the effervescent footwork of Astaire and Rogers. Any civilization that liberates both energies to such a high degree of development has got to be doing something essentially right. You'd walk out of both experiences feeling high on life. And you should!

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

220 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:44:22am

re: #203 BarackObama

Oh he's not going away anytime soon. He's the Keynut speaker at the Detroit NAACP Dinner April 27th. I hope he has to sit between Kwame and his mommy.

221 BabbaZee  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:44:48am
222 Orbit Rain  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:50:07am

"You don’t stop telling the truth because it is not politically correct or it makes a racist uncomfortable. "

...more projection...go ahead Jeremiah, tell me there are no racist black folks...you're an obvious scammer, livin' high off the hog, living off the teat of your congregation...livin' high off a government checks

...perhaps your congregates should volunteer to help children, instead of asking the government to pay to help them...or would that defeat the purpose...getting paid?

look at you now, Mr. High and Mighty...

look at you now, you racist, lying attention-whore...

big f'n deal

223 eaglewingz08  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:51:24am

The three fifths compromise did not make freed African Americans' votes worth three fifths of anyone else's, or freed African Americans to be worth 3/5 of anyone else, it only limited the ability of the slave states to jack up the number of slaves in their jurisdictions that otherwise would have eventually led to all of the USA becoming slave states, due to manipulation of representation by importation of slaves. The US Constitution by banning the slave trade after 1808, was enacted about the same time that Britain was ending its slave trade as well. It's funny but the people who talk and rant about evil USA never rant against muslims who to this day still keep the slave trade open in Africa and elsewhere, like it's not in their DNA to own and trade in slaves, but only in the DNA of typical white persons.

We must thank Rev Wrong and the Obamanation for they are truly gifts that keep on giving.

224 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:51:34am
225 gunjam  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:52:52am

re: #222 Orbit Rain

look at you now, Mr. High and Mighty...

look at you now, you racist, lying attention-whore...

big f'n deal

Would you please quit holding back and tell us how you really feel?
/sarc ;-)

226 Dirk Diggler  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 11:59:47am

Like a nasty case genital herpes, Reverend" Wright returns.

/Whaddya hear and whaddya say, LGF?

227 gunjam  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:00:22pm
At that point, congregants nearly drowned Wright out with a booming standing ovation.

This is the line in the article that bothers me the most: That this kind of hateful preaching is appreciated by so many folks. Not a good sign.

I do believe the the Rev. Wright is doing more harm than good from his pulpit.

228 godfrey  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:03:09pm

Dirk!

Wright is always up for a little chump and bind.

229 Jonn Lilyea  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:03:12pm

re: #101 realwest

I think it's fairly safe to say that no one living has been involved in legal slavery in this country - although Wright wants his congregation to believe otherwise.

230 Dirk Diggler  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:07:20pm
Wright is always up for a little chump and bind.

"Chump and bind"? That just sounds dirty.

/Hiya Godfrey!

231 gunjam  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:07:34pm

The rumor is the Wright is an ex-Muslim. I think that, perhaps, in his case, the operative part of "ex-Muslim" is "Muslim." The "ex-?" Not so much.

232 Wendya  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:08:35pm
You don’t stop telling the truth because it is not politically correct or it makes a racist uncomfortable.

I won't argue with that. Rev Wright is a vile and disgusting racist and his followers are morons.

233 bj  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:16:19pm

Rev. Wrong needs to get somewhere ...

234 mfarmer1  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:16:24pm

re: #229 Jonn Lilyea

I think it's fairly safe to say that no one living has been involved in legal slavery in this country - although Wright wants his congregation to believe otherwise.

I'm not so sure about that. Given his congregation's Afro-centric views and desired economic ties with Africa, some of them might very well be involved and knowingly profiting from slavery being carried out in Africa by Africans right now.

Wouldn't that make a great investigative scoop? Can you imagine if some of Wright's devotees turned out to banking on the slave trade? It wouldn't surprise me at all.

Paging Zombie! Get your passport in order, you're Africa bound!

235 bj  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:17:24pm

re: #231 gunjam

The rumor is the Wright is an ex-Muslim. I think that, perhaps, in his case, the operative part of "ex-Muslim" is "Muslim." The "ex-?" Not so much.

He is ex-nation of islam, if I heard correctly.

236 grumpy old codger  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:19:26pm

re: #210 elandadem
Only if we include payments for those descendants of Civil War dead who've seen their chances fall, i.e., lost income, etc., because of the familial disruption caused by their "sacrifice on the altar of their Country".
BTW, will your plan include an ending to affirmative action, etc.?

237 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:25:26pm

re: #202 rightymouse

I agree with that, although one would think Wright was more informed. But if he is unaware, what about other periods of history in the world where slavery occurred outside of the U.S.?

Quite simply- those periods are irrelevant as they do not assist the race baiters in promoting their agenda, which is why, if the reverend is aware of the current state of slavery on earth, it is likewise irrelevant because it cannot be placed on American whites and cannot conform with the Blame America meme.

238 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:36:32pm

Dear Senator Obama:

Anyone who has been witness to ideas such as those of your pastor lacks the moral authority to call himself a "uniter." So sorry Senator, but you just are not believable. If you expect votes from people like me, you need to do a lot more convincing or I cannot believe that you really distanced yourself from that deceitful preacher OR his agenda.

239 wanumba  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:53:01pm

It's pathetic to have to point out that one of the nasty features of a nasty business was that male African slaves who were kidnapped and transported to Arab regions often suffered castration. Many died from the shock of the amputation itself or from infection.

This was not a feature of American slavery, ever. American slaves produced children - and the period of born-into slavery began and ended in a relatively short period of time, thanks to creation and existence of the Constitution, compared to the more than milennia of Muslim dominated slavery in Africa, imposed by the Arab conquest - which had no intention in anyway of reforming itself or being reformed by outside forces. Muslim-dominated regions in Africa still maintain slavery of Africans.

Maybe Wright could scale back a wee bit of his overblown mansion to send a little cash to the Anti-Slavery movement? Oh, wait, Wright must APPROVE of slavery of Africans. His friend is Ghaddafi.

240 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:56:21pm

239 wanumba ... great post. Where is a good website that shows a map of the world indicating which countries still allow slavery?

241 Ben-Ami  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 12:57:45pm

re: #210 elandadem

Perhaps a little cash could help extract that DNA and eradicate it.

How 'bout if we all confess to our collective inherited guilt and pay reparations for 2 centuries plus of slavery and the century and a half aftermath which created an environment in which no African-American could ever succeed?

I'm fairly sure that no ancestor of mine ever owned a slave in the United States, so count me out. But hey, don't let that stop you from opening up your checkbook. And don't touch the tax money - that's for use for things like national defense, not assuaging trumped up feelings of white guilt.

By the way, you might want to re-think that "no African-American could ever succeed" line. Senator Obama, among others, seems to be doing just fine, materially speaking.

242 Orbit Rain  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:04:11pm
#224 ploome hineni
re: #222 Orbit Rain

who gets a pass ranting this crap except muslims and this POS?

someone check to see if his rantings mirrors Farrakhans dreck

I think a few weeks ago I wrote something along the lines that if Obama and Farrakhan could be connected together that *that* would be the ticket to his loss of Illinois (well..maybe...hopefully, politically) I'm not too confident any paper other than the Sun Times is going to speak the truth about Obama.

Obama is going to lose Indiana in the general if he gets that far. He can stump all he wants in the region.


#225 gunjam
re: #222 Orbit Rain

look at you now, Mr. High and Mighty...

look at you now, you racist, lying attention-whore...

big f'n deal

Would you please quit holding back and tell us how you really feel?
/sarc ;-)

heheh...I apologize for leaving out a few of the other things I was thinking.

;)

243 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:05:22pm

There is one subject that will never be allowed to enjoy a public debate because of our PC mentality. It's a subject I'd like to hear the Black community address. And that subject is this:

"If you could turn back the pages of history and have a "re-do" where there was no slavery in America, would you do it knowing that you'd now be living in Africa instead of here?"

It's a legitimate debate topic, but it will never EVER happen in the MSM.

244 IPLaw  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:06:23pm

OT, but related:

Alicia Keys: 'Gangsta Rap' Created to Convince Black People to Kill Each Other

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Seems as if she can't get Wrong, she'll get Wright.

245 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:08:20pm
You don’t stop telling the truth because it is not politically correct or it makes a racist uncomfortable.

Ah yes, too true. And many fine Americans will continue to tell the truth about you and your congregation, and Obama, no matter how uncomfortable that makes you feel. Get used to it rev., you racist POS.

246 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:12:50pm

#244 IP ... Alicia Keys is yet another talented woman with no clue. The list is long ... feel free to add your own:

1. Britney
2. Barbra
3. Natalie Mains
4.

247 wanumba  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:13:43pm

link countrystudies us/ nigeria .. QUOTED from
Nigeria
The Yoruba Wars

Oyo, the great exporter of slaves in the eighteenth century, collapsed in a civil war after 1817, and by the middle of the 1830s the whole of Yorubaland was swept up in these civil wars. New centers of power--Ibadan, Abeokuta, Owo, and Warri--contested control of the trade routes and sought access to fresh supplies of slaves, which were important to repopulate the turbulent countryside. At this time, the British withdrew from the slave trade and began to blockade the coast. The blockade required some adjustments in the slave trade along the lagoons that stretched outward from Lagos, while the domestic market for slaves to be used as farm laborers and as porters to carry commodities to market easily absorbed the many captives that were a product of these wars.


African enslavement of Africans.
By Wright's definition, Nigeria's founding fathers “planted slavery and Muslim Arab supremacy in the DNA of that republic."

Oh, and slaves were the number one choice for human sacrifices. And there are several major ceremonies during the year plus funerals of chiefs that required multiple sacrificial offerings. Another regular hazard of being an African slave to other Africans that was not ever a feature of American slavery.

248 vagabond trader  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:16:22pm

Wonder how that expunging of your hated white blood is coming along, eh Obama and Wright?

249 Ben-Ami  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:17:15pm

re: #247 wanumba


African enslavement of Africans.
By Wright's definition, Nigeria's founding fathers “planted slavery and Muslim Arab supremacy in the DNA of that republic." .

No, no, no, wanumba. Just as you have to be white to be a racist, you have to be white to have been a slave-owner. Or to tinker with a nation's non-existent DNA. Africans didn't, and don't, own slaves - they just have very aggressive guest worker programs.

250 RobCon  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:17:17pm

Is it safe to say that Wright and Obama have had a falling out since Wright is still frothing as usual.

251 wanumba  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:18:02pm

re: #240 _RememberTonyC

239 wanumba ... great post. Where is a good website that shows a map of the world indicating which countries still allow slavery?

Start with ABOLISH ...
[Link: www.iabolish.org...]

A simple search turns up various organziations.

252 LeonidasOfSparta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:18:28pm

re: #110 Iron Fist

I have often pondered the reason Democrats were so hell-bent on slavery before AND AFTER the Civil War, were MOSTLY the ones supporting the KKK in the Democrat-South of the early 20th century, and now the blacks vote Democrat at almost every election as if to ... to continue the tradition of Democrat land owner rich whitey and his black slave? or to continue the relationship of "you need me to fund your lives with tax dollars and I need you to continue to vote for me, so I will "BUY" your votes with other people's tax money and remind you how beholden you are to me?

It's a sick and twisted relationship. And one has to wonder why it is that blacks don't RISE UP AND THROW OFF THEIR Democrat "racebaiting riders" once and for all. Talk about a "monkey on the back" issue here.

253 wanumba  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:19:44pm

re: #249 Ben-Ami

Africans didn't, and don't, own slaves - they just have very aggressive guest worker programs.


LOL!

254 Ben-Ami  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:20:04pm

re: #244 IPLaw

OT, but related:

Alicia Keys: 'Gangsta Rap' Created to Convince Black People to Kill Each Other

Wow, believing in these kind of conspiracy theories must be very comforting. I mean, nothing is ever your fault, or the fault of your community - it's always the Man.

255 LeonidasOfSparta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:20:21pm

re: #249 Ben-Ami


lol "very aggressive guest worker programs" lol

256 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:22:49pm

re: #237 Sharmuta

Quite simply- those periods are irrelevant as they do not assist the race baiters in promoting their agenda, which is why, if the reverend is aware of the current state of slavery on earth, it is likewise irrelevant because it cannot be placed on American whites and cannot conform with the Blame America meme.

Then slavery cannot possibly be the issue and this needs to be brought out in the bright light of day.

257 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:23:54pm

#251 Wamumba ... thanks.

258 marsouin  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:24:33pm

To Rev. Wright, I say that America has produced the freest, most prosperous black people anywhere on Earth and in all of recorded human history. That's a great achievement.

What a Marxist lunatic body orifice you are!

A True Whig

259 wanumba  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:26:48pm

To borrow from that clever Marine Corps reporter who nailed Code Pink in Berkeley ...

"Wouldn't it be nice to have a political party formed and dedicated to abolishing all forms of slavery?"

260 IPLaw  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:30:15pm

""Keys, 27, said she's read several Black Panther autobiographies and wears a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck "to symbolize strength, power and killing 'em dead,""

Oops, as Brittney would say, she did it again - restoring to guns and racism.

261 wanumba  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:32:34pm

re: #256 rightymouse

Then slavery cannot possibly be the issue and this needs to be brought out in the bright light of day.

BINGO! DING-DING-DING-DING!

How's this: Pushing Islam via a propaganda outlet disguised as a Christian church.

262 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:36:59pm

Good site, Wamumba. Did you read that Francis Bok book? It looks like a must read story.

263 nyc redneck  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:37:26pm

re: #261 wanumba

BINGO! DING-DING-DING-DING!

How's this: Pushing Islam via a propaganda outlet disguised as a Christian church.

that's exactly what is happening. wright sounds just like farrakhan.
he is not a christian

264 wanumba  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:42:43pm

re: #262 _RememberTonyC
Not yet. We lived in Mauritania in the 1980s - a society with pervasive slavery, so saw up close how it worked, knew people who owned slaves, dealt with people who were slaves, so we have an interest how the situation is evolving (slowly) there.

265 hazzyday  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:45:19pm

According the Afro-Centric approach of Rev Wright, Africans were the ones that created slavery. He owes reparations to himself.

If people want to lead the mainstream of this society, they need to grow up and mainstream some of their thought processes.

Black theology is a divergent process. There is no reason to move towards it or except as it is just another way to enslave black minds to something that is not effective. See Troofers.

266 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:49:32pm

re: #264 wanumba ... you must have some stories to tell ... whew.

It is infuriating to hear a man like wright rail on Americans for slavery that was abolished nearly 150 years ago. And by the way, that civil war that helped end slavery did cost hundreds of thousands of white Americans their lives. What is truly infuriating is that at the very same time, wright aides and abets today's slave traders. He is a man who willfully ignores and furthers the suffering of his own people. Can you be any lower than that?

267 wanumba  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:50:45pm

re: #263 nyc redneck

Pushing Islam via a propaganda outlet disguised as a Christian church.

... that's exactly what is happening. wright sounds just like farrakhan.
he is not a christian

Mulled over that a bit. How's this modification to better capture what's going on:
Trinity Unity, Black Liberation Theology sometimes called Africanism is a "GATEWAY theology" that leads worshippers away from Christianity to the goal of accepting radical Islam.

Just preaching it cold wouldn't work, softening is required first by demonizing Christianity so that people will be enticed to reject it.

268 americanmale[deleted]  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:50:48pm
269 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:50:55pm

re: #256 rightymouse

Then slavery cannot possibly be the issue and this needs to be brought out in the bright light of day.

Thanks to the blogosphere, a light is being shone upon it.

And you're right- it's not about slavery. It's about justifying the hatred of "the other", which, ironically, is the exact thinking of the ideology that helped create the African slave trade in the first place.

270 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:51:55pm

re: #82 realwest

Well y'all - this is just another example of why I refer to the Reverend Jeremiah Wright as the "Racist Rev". I do wish you'd all join in referring to him this way; any other way would be at the very least inaccurate and take too long.
Racist Rev = Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

I'll make a deal with you RW: I'll start referring to Jeremiah as the Racist Rev. if you start referring to our operations in Iraq as a Peace Keeping Mission.

Both are true statements.

271 EE  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 1:52:09pm
denunciations of America for its mistreatment of black people and claims that America’s promotion of terrorism abroad helped prompt the 9/11 attacks.

Well, actually Obama's mentor Jeremiah Wright brought down a curse upon America: "Not God bless America! No! No! No! God DAMN America! God DAMN America!" That is malevolence toward America the country.

Sounds very much like the sort of thing Louis Farrakhan would say.

And actually, Obama's mentor Jeremiah Wright claimed that America invented the AIDS virus and spread it in order to exterminate all people of color in the world. That reveals Jeremiah Wright to be a crackpot, besides being a liar and a slanderer.

Also, Obama's pastor Jeremiah Wright celebrated 9/11, and said that America's chickens were coming home to roost. Same as Ward Churchill.

272 wanumba  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 2:09:53pm

re: #266 _RememberTonyC
What was a shock was to discover that a guy at the level of Chief Accountant in a BIG organization was a slave.
TRANSPARENCY issues!?!? Put educated and erudite and frankly quite able and competent slaves up to deal with the expats, while the real powers-that-be stayed out of sight. Fooled a lot of people - especially expatriate aid people who would be on two year assignments, then move on.
Hang around a bit longer, and amazing what one finds out about how a place REALLY works.

Never thought it'd come in useful to know this in American politics, but here we are. Wright is pure bile, but he's firmly headed in a particular direction, the Piped Piper leading the flock out of town. The original Pied Piper led the children out of the towns, preaching a curious theology - and marched those foolish enough to be beguiled right into, starvation, abandonment and finally into the hands of of all people : Muslim slavers. (refer to the "Children's Crusade"). If people do not know the past, they are condemned to repeat it.

273 Egfrow  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 2:10:00pm

Fantasy will crash with reality. Founding fathers wanted freedom. The last act Benjamen Franklin wanted and one of his last public acts was to sign a petition to the U.S. Congress, on February 12, 1790, as president of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society, urging the abolition of slavery and the suppression of the slave trade. Two months later, on April 17, Franklin died in his Philadelphia home at 84 years of age. {ref}

274 nyc redneck  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 2:15:42pm

re: #267 wanumba

Mulled over that a bit. How's this modification to better capture what's going on:
Trinity Unity, Black Liberation Theology sometimes called Africanism is a "GATEWAY theology" that leads worshippers away from Christianity to the goal of accepting radical Islam.

Just preaching it cold wouldn't work, softening is required first by demonizing Christianity so that people will be enticed to reject it.

sounds like wright's flock is already NOI. they just don't know it.

275 IPLaw  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 2:26:24pm

Ms. Keys also misses numerous, important points. First, R&B has been heavily influenced by hip hop; some argue that modern R&B is a direct product of hip hop. Accordingly, her music is a product of the Man. Will she stop performing? As she becomes more political, will her music become more, or less, gangsta-like?

Second, undoubtedly millions upon millions of white people, including me, own some "gangsta rap". So, who's the target of the Man? Maybe it only influences people who can't dance? What about Vanilla Ice?

276 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 2:31:01pm

Anthony Johnson was the first man in the US to own another man (John Castor) outright until death. He went to court (Northampton County, Virginia, March 8, 1655) to back this claim and won. Anthony Johnson was himself a black, most likely from Angola, Africa.

277 brogers  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 2:40:51pm

Dear Rev Wright,

I'm truly sorry that you were born into this white-controlled, white-founded racist society. I know what hell it can be living in a nation with "white supremacy in its DNA". I would like to pose to you a possible solution: Take yourself and your congregation and move the one of the black-controlled paradises in West Africa.

There was once a group of freed slaves who wanted to get out of this hell hole and they founded the wonderful nation of Liberia, which as you probably already know, is a bastion of equality and prosperity for all, free from the evils of "white man's greed." While you may not be able to live in a multi-million dollar mansion (which you can in the land of white man's greed), you will be free from oppression by racist whites in the US of KKK A. I do suggest you follow their lead and free your flock from the racist chains holding you back in this nation.

As a white person, I would like to apologize for the behavior of people that have the same shade of skin as I. I wasn't around in the colonial days, or in the 60's, but I still feel guilty.

Sincerely,

A greedy white supremacist

278 Daisy  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 2:47:07pm

The Founding Fathers planted racism in the DNA of white folks? Wow. Interesting. Hmmm. Considering that Wright appears to be just about completely white - could this explain that hateful fool's racism?

This DNA implant not only could explain his racism, it also explains his heretical (to the black value system) "middleclassness" - after all, the jerk is moving into a tacky McMansion riddled, mainly white, gated community.
[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

It's come full circle. I was blind, but now I see: Obama, Wright, Fahrakhan, Jessie, Al .. they are all rascists because they have white DNA! Of course! Once again, it's all my fault.

279 DoubleU  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 2:51:37pm

re: #31 winston06

I am sick and tired of these Racist idiots...

So is most of America and it will start working against the race baiters. Unfortunately the media and the school system create new ones every day.

280 wanumba  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 3:04:21pm

re: #27 Mich-again

Democrats love to politicize a funeral. Actually anytime they have a captive audience they are likely to start spouting..


That needed repeating. There is more than one travesty in this whole thing, including that this eulogy was SUPPOSED to be about honoring the deceased, but the subject was changed to focus on topics that were near and dear to Wright. All about ME,ME,ME,I,I,I.

If I was a member of the grieving family, I'd be feeling let down, and frankly, pissed. But maybe if they are used to this ranting, they don't notice that their dear departed was just someone else to be used by Wright. Wonder how much of his regular tithing over the years went to Wright's new house, Wright's cars, Wright's snappy custom outfits, Wright's tours of Libya ...

281 profitsbeard  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 3:18:49pm

What does the Reverend's white-half think of his other half's bigoted bile?

(The worst race-baiters seem to be these self-doubting, I'ze-be-feelin'-inauthentic, half-black thugs.)

Keep preachin', punk.

Not enough typical white people have heard the message yet:

-Honky sucks! Goddamn the USA!

282 Mo86  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 4:29:56pm

This so-called pastor is so unbelievably vile. It amazes me how people can continue to defend him, and Barack Obama's continued support of him. I really want to just pull my hair out.

283 Challenger  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 4:45:37pm

Once again, say it loud:

"It IS a crackpot church"

284 Carolyn  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 5:39:04pm

Ismalia
Journal of the Discovery of the Source of the Nile
Livingstone's Africa

Check those books out.
Slavery in Africa frequently meant you were on the menu.

285 starbird  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 5:53:33pm

Wright got one thing right:

"...You don’t blame other folks for not fixing some of the problems in our own community that we can and need to fix ourselves.”

He just doesn't understand that 'fixing themselves' starts with stopping the blame game and the victim game.

286 Midnightrain  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 5:56:59pm

The Bullfrog is back. Every public statement he makes should be counted as an in-kind contribution to John McCain.

287 Ben-Ami  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 6:49:05pm

re: #243 _RememberTonyC

There is one subject that will never be allowed to enjoy a public debate because of our PC mentality. It's a subject I'd like to hear the Black community address. And that subject is this:

"If you could turn back the pages of history and have a "re-do" where there was no slavery in America, would you do it knowing that you'd now be living in Africa instead of here?"

It's a legitimate debate topic, but it will never EVER happen in the MSM.

I've thought about this before, and I've come to the conclusion that it's not a fair question. It's one thing to appreciate the involuntary sacrifices that your ancestors made so you could be where and who you are today. It's another thing entirely to retroactively "volunteer", as it were, those ancestors to go through their suffering so that your life would turn out okay.

It's like asking an American Jew if they could have re-do and have a world where there was no pogroms or Holocaust, would he do it if he'd be living in some miserable Polish shetl instead of here, or asking an Irish-American if he could have a re-do and program a world where Ireland was never invaded by the English, or where the Potato Famine never happened, if it meant being dirt poor and living in some shanty back in the Old Country. If you answer, "Yeah, let my ancestors suffer horribly against their will, as long as I keep my cushy life in the US" you're a douchebag; if you answer, "No, the price is too high," you sound like an ingrate.

I'm grateful to be where and who I am. I'm also grateful that it wasn't up to me to prune and train my family tree so that it produced me where and when it did.

288 minuteman  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:02:56pm

Rev Wrong is the greatest gift to the GOP. Keep talking. The MSM can't whitewash you completely. What makes me laugh about his understanding of slavery is his failure to realize it wasn't just Europeans involved in the trade. Many of the slaves were sold by Africans on the west coast and especially Black Muslims and Arabs on the east coast. The muslim arabs have been slaving in blacks (and slavs, europeans, hindus etc) since day one. That is why Barack Hussein Obama has an arabized name!

289 mybeaglekillsrabbits  Sun, Apr 13, 2008 10:00:03pm

Watson & Crick ain't got E. coli on John Adams. That was one bad ass geneticist baby!

290 TheMadKing  Mon, Apr 14, 2008 2:53:57am

'There are those who make a business of keeping the troubles, wrongs and hardships of the Negro race before the public. They do not want the Negro to lose his grievances because they do not want to lose their jobs.' - Booker T. Washington (1856-1915)

And that statement was made over a hundred years ago. By a prominent black statesman, no less.

BTW This guy Wright and eulogies, god damn! The last one he gave had the renowned 'garlic noses' and Jesus' crucifixion as a 'public lynching Italian-style' comments. Remind me not to ask this guy to speak at my funeral.

Other than all that, I say let the Wright Wrecking ball keep swinging!

Can the House of Obama Survive the Wright Wrecking Ball?
[Link: www.digitaljournal.com...]

Also, the sad fact is, Wright is just a small cog in a very large, powerful and profitable machine (as if you didn't know).

'Racism, Inc.' Keeping Hate Alive in the Black Community
[Link: www.digitaljournal.com...]

Peace, Lizardoids. Someday.

291 snowcrash  Mon, Apr 14, 2008 9:10:48am

avatar check

292 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:11:46pm

These are the Union dead at Gettysburg, Mr Wright.

Union dead at Gettysburg.

They died to free your ass.

They were white too.

And slavery was already here in 1776

Then we paid a big price to get rid of it.

You ingrate.


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