This is completely UNTRUE! Just because the same melody was used for a different poem does NOT make the Star Spangled Banner about muslims.

Shame on you for this distortion!

Sharmuta,
The song was sung to the melody of the Star Spangled Banner. That's what the post says. It's not a distortion. It's the truth.

It was the Star Spangled Banner song, before the Star Spangled Banner was about the War of 1812.

Simple to figure out.

By this logic, My Country Tis Of Thee is about the Crown and not America.

re: #2 Pastorius

Except your headline is completely a distortion.

Also- your own links show the anthem wasn't about fighting jihadis, but rather about a greek poet.

Ok, well at least now I understand your objection.

It's updated. Updates exist to clarify. And, that's what I did.

The fact remains, the melody which is the Star Spangled Banner was the foundation of a patriotic song, written by Francis Scott Key, which was about subduing Muslims in battle.

That's the truth. The title of the post is still in spirit with the content of the post.

The larger point here is that this history is not known, and it should be.

Do you agree?

I'm certainly going to attract a lot more attention to this important part of our history with the headline I wrote.

I told the truth in the post as well as I can.

No, not true. The words talk about the Crescent and the turbaned-headed warriors.

What are you talking about?

re: #7 Pastorius

The melody to which Francis Scott Key intended his poem to be sung was the popular English tune known as "To Anacreon in Heaven." Written about 1775 by John Stafford Smith, the tune was originally the "constitutional song" of the Anacreontic Society, a gentlemen's music club in London named after the 6th-century B.C.E. Greek poet Anacreon.

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re: #6 Pastorius

You are distorting the history! If you want to expose Key's anti-jihad poem so it's more wide known, that's fine. But to say "The Star Spangled Banner Was Originally About Subduing Muslims In Battle" is NOT true. You are (intentionally?) conflating the anthem's lyrics with a piece of music that was used for multiple songs. It was a common practice for people to use different lyrics to pre-existing pieces of music, such as My Country Tis Of Thee that I mentioned above.

You are not saying "music used for Star Spangled Banner was also used for anti-jihad poem". What are you not grasping about my point on your distortion?

You are criticizing my title, apparently.

My title piques interest in an important story from history. The contents of the post have been accurate from the beginning, and have become more specific, and corroborated, as people have challenged me on the veracity of the story.

You are criticizing me for writing a title which is salacious, apparently. That's the best I can understand from what you are saying.

You might notice that headlines are often written as attention-grabbers. I'm safely within tradition on my title.

It seems to me you are making a big deal out of what ought to be a topic for nit-picking.

So you are intentionally distorting. Go ahead and ruin your credibility by making inaccurate headlines to get attention for yourself.

Pastorius:

You do need to clarify your position. If you are saying that the anthem penned by Key regarding the battle of Fort McHenry which is known as the US national anthem "The Star Spangled Banner" was some freaky twist on a song/verse regarding the battle of Tripoli aka "When the Warrior Returns" it is NOT. The music was initially "To Anacreon in Heaven" ...it was also used for When the Warrior Returns and again as the Star Spangled Banner.

What folks are objecting to is the notion that our anthem was originally "When the warrior returns"....and this is not true.

You need to make that clear...your headline misleads. The music...separate from the lyrics was used with different verses on several occasions as was common back in the day.

This is the main objection and I think you should clarify so that you do not look foolish putting this out as if the only other lyrics penned with the same melody as "the Star Spangled Banner" was the one written about the battle of Tripoli....which is simply not factual

kawfytawk,
You said: ... the US national anthem "The Star Spangled Banner" was some freaky twist on a song/verse regarding the battle of Tripoli aka "When the Warrior Returns" it is NOT. The music was initially "To Anacreon in Heaven" ...it was also used for When the Warrior Returns and again as the Star Spangled Banner.

Yes, that's right.

And, that means the song (melody) which is the Star Spangled Banner was originally written with lyrics (by Francis Scott Key, the same guy who wrote the Star Spangled Banner lyrics) as a song about subduing Muslims in battle.

I guess you guys would like me to write a more cryptic or complicated title.

Anyway, I'm done discussing it.

re: #14 Pastorius

Right- because adding "Melody used by...." to the front of your headline would make your point more cryptic. That's a complete cop out.

re: #14 Pastorius

Well, I defended you on your last thread....because I thought you were pointing out a bit of trivia....I always try to give folks a benefit of the doubt. But it is clear you have an agenda here and you are not being honest since it wouldn't fit your scheme.

What is truly a shame is that the trivia was indeed interesting on a historical level....but the slant and agenda you are trying to thrust forward is dishonest.

Your "talk to the hand" mentality is BS by the way...you are being called on it and now you have nothing to discuss....whatever

oh and one other thing....the term "originally" ie in reference to origin or beginning, should have referred to "To Anacreon in Heaven" NOT "When the Warrior Returns"

THAT is where you are being intellectually dishonest.

kawfytawk,
I don't appreciate Sharmuta's tone.

I will reply to you.

It is historical trivia. It is interesting. It is also important. My headline grabs attention and focuses it on a subject which I believe to be important. My credibility is as it should be. My blog claims that we at IBA are "the parallel government of the entire world." And, we proudly feature the Infidel Babe of the Week. We tread the line between comedy and truth-telling on a consistent basis, and have done so for years.

I have tried to be very specific in this post. I have gotten corroboration on the original material, and the truth stands. You guys are arguing a point you wouldn't bother to argue with other people who post links here. Why you are doing so, I don't know.

I am CERTAINLY not the most arbitrary, headline-grabbing, or conspiracy-minded person to post links at LGF.

The post evolved. I did not change the title, but instead, it was UPDATED (with the updates clearly marked in all caps). And, as I updated it, I got more specific.

I have seen posts evolve similarly here at LGF and at other worthy blogs.

And I don't like your revisionist, misleading headline or snotty attitude when someone dares to call you on it.

And judging by the rating on this post, I'm not alone.

re: #18 Pastorius

Honestly, you really should be a politician. You have repeatedly skirted the issue that has been brought up. Walking a line between comedy and truth telling as you say is NOT how you broached this subject.

If you say this is how you routinely do things in your blog then you should say so here, for the benefit of those who have never read your blog, but you didn't. And don't tell me you were playing to your audience alone otherwise you would have no need to post it at LGF.

On one hand you offer corroboration but on the other hand you withheld half of it, which by the way, would put it into clear perspective for your readers as well as the ones you gleaned from LGF. You are simply trying to lead your audience to believe that F.S. Key had some ulterior motive for using a tune that was associated with a battle in Tripoli ie: Muslims.

Now maybe you get some tingle when you hear the national anthem and giggle like it's some inside joke...but you are only fooling yourself.

You say you updated your blog...but nowhere does it say that the origins of the melody was "To Anacreon in Heaven" .

A half truth by omission is a lie in my book.

My very great grandfather was a Captain in the American army when his squad picked a fight with a British battalion. In fleeing, they sought refuge at Fort McHenry. A 14 hour chase commenced, with he and his men followed by more than a hundred Brits. They came within sight of the Fort in total darkness, the sky was lit up with cannon fire and flame. He could not approach under those condition so they created a outpost to repel any land attack. In a 3 page letter to his parents written in September of 1814, he describes the siege in detail. Right down to the rockets and return cannon fire. And the Americans giving as good as they got. He even describes seeing the American flag still there at dawn, when they all stood and cheered. . At dawn they dashed to the fort to join the fight, and were welcomed, but the Brits pulled back. The letter is in a museum of course, but the family has copies. My son shares his name, as do 9 intervening ancestors.

re: #22 pat

What an awesome legacy! I can tell you are proud and rightly so.
Thank you for sharing your personal account...I love to hear stories from real families about real points in history....It truly makes it come alive