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1 Baier  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:09:19pm

NY Nana, your continued insistence on using Obama’s middle name to draw attention to his Muslim background is disturbing. If you cannot find another reason to dislike Obama, and there are plenty, than the middle name his parents gave to him, you are a bigot.

2 pink freud  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:14:33pm

Baier, you’ve given me no reason to dislike you up till now, but our Nana is no bigot.

3 Baier  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:19:14pm

You can dislike me if you want, I take pride in being hated and disliked by bigots everywhere. I ask her to explain than why she insist on using Obama’s middle name other than to draw attention to his origins. Can you explain it Pink freud?

4 pink freud  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:25:29pm

re: #3 Baier
I cannot speak for Nana, Baier, but IMO it is an expression of contempt, possibly based on an 0bama-imposed near-blackout of its use during campaign and then after he was elected it suddenly became ok. It’s all more manipulation by this one who fancies himself messianic.

Correct me if I am wrong, but is it your implication that I, also, am a bigot?

5 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:28:48pm

re: #3 Baier

I won’t, and frankly don’t need to answer for Pink of NYNana, but I’ve been known to throw a Hussein in there now and again. My reason is because Barry O made such a point of not using it, and perhaps more disappointing, the media’s acquiescence to this “request”. They made it a big deal, not us. The man needs a bit less ego and a lot more strategic thinking. This is just one minor example of an Obama strategy gone awry.

6 Baier  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:33:44pm

I followed the campaign pretty closely in fact, and found that his middle name was not hidden and was common knowledge. I don’t know anyone that didn’t know it - what’s funny is that I cannot recall McCain’s middle name and I was a supporter. In fact, the only people that I met that made sure I knew Obama’s middle name during the campaign were people in my own party trying to convince me he was some sort of “secret Muslim” waiting to spring the caliphate on us.
But I don’t know about you. Are you a bigot, or do you just defend them?

7 pink freud  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:51:50pm

re: #6 Baier

Mr. Baier, you are out of line implying I am a bigot, as my post history will verify. You are even further out of line using your “if/then” to imply Nana is a bigot. Please remove that burr from your saddle, sir …and when you are done may I suggest you dismount your high-horse.

8 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:56:47pm

re: #6 Baier

Was that a question for me? If so, and you research my posts or blog, you’ll find quite quickly that my intolerance for bigotry knows no party lines. This isn’t about bigotry, however.

I have no time for those who concoct wild conspiracy theories surrounding secret hostile Muslim take overs, or missing birth certificates. There are too many real issues that ought to be pointed out. I do believe our President is Muslim friendly in ways I am not supportive of, but that is separate and apart from his inane middle name black out - as if Barack or Obama is somehow mainstream. To be honest, I don’t care if his name is John Doolittle or Osama al Islam. All I ask is that he not “manage” this country into the toilet. I’m afraid I’ll be quite disappointed, should the first 100 days be any indicator of what’s to come.

For the record, the ones who were pushing this theory are the exact persons I’d like removed from my party. Ron Paul isn’t right wing, he is crazy wing. My party needs to begin pointing out this difference - loudly.


John McCain’s middle name is Sidney.

9 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:00:03pm

Toss around “bigot” too frequently and it loses its meaning.

10 Baier  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:11:29pm

I apologize for assuming you could be a bigot when you may just be extremely childish or behind the times. I apologize but his middle name is so completely irrelevant at this point that it’s easy to misunderstand the statement you are trying to make about a campaign incident that happened last year and that most people don’t even remember. If they even knew about it then…
So you understand how I could have missed the obvious point.

11 NY Nana  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:16:05pm

re: #1 Baier

As a Jew, I have so many reasons to emphasize Hussein, the Manchurian Candidate’s middle name.

He is an enemy of both the USA and Israel, with the very worst cabinet in my 71 years on this planet.

If ‘Hussein’ is all I call him, then he should consider himself lucky.

If you have children or grandchildren, I fear for their future along with that of my 4 kids, 3 grandkids, daughters in law and son in law. He is destroying the America we all know and love, and it is only 100 days he has been in office.

A bigot? I have been called a ‘dirty Jew’ quite a few times, because I wear a gold and silver Star of David on a chain, that my Bubbe gave me when I was 12, very proudly, and that is enough to be called a dirty Jew.

I refuse to recognize a a Socialist, verging on a Communist as our president, and what was done to those of us who live in the metro NYC area today, with his AF1 caper? All of those of us who lived through 9/11? That shows just what a POS he is, and how little he cares about anyone but himself.

And who was responsible for 9/11? Angry Mormons?

I feel so badly for his 2 little daughters, who he uses as adornments. What he and /his delightful, sweet wife did re the dog is as despicable as it gets.

A bigot? I do not remember ever seeing a post of yours. Now? I will not, as you are now on my scroll-by list, something I have about 3 names on after the years I have been posting.

That he was elected is the biggest mystery in my life time.

12 baier  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 5:08:04am

I rest my case. Thank you.

13 baier  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 7:05:17am

If you won’t take my advice, maybe Karl Rove’s will sit better with you.

Rove said that the use of “Barack Hussein Obama” would perpetuate the notion that Republicans were bigoted and would hurt the party.


[Link: themoderatevoice.com…]

14 NYCHardhat  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 7:50:00am

Hey baier,
You are an imbecile. You are intellectually bankrupt. As for nana….keep up the good work dear.

15 baier  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:29:30am

I love how no one actually counters any point I’m made - or Karl Rove’s assessment of the Hussein bad crazyness. Many of you have attack me personally with no counter point. I understand that many of you are very upset about Obama’s policy, as am I. I don’t understand what the name his parents gave him at birth has to do with the antisemitism you experienced as a child, where you live or Obama’s socialist policy - except to draw attention to the ethnic origins of the name.

I would be glad if some sensible reason existed, because I have a great deal of respect for LGF, but this Hussein nonsense needs to be called out, because it’s out of line. It’s childish at best and bigoted at worst.

By the way, I worked in the World Trade Center, and currently still work just blocks away. I am a Jew, and I have experienced antisemitism on a level that I doubt a native New Yorker even has an inkling of existing. And I don’t like Obama’s policy. I have a child and worry about her future and the future of the US and Israel, and I think he is worst president I’ve seen in my life as well, but none of that will lower me to the level that I will use the name he was given at birth to degrade the man.

16 pink freud  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 10:13:25am

The name “Hussein” called a stir globally. You mention “drawing attention to the ethnic origins of the name”. You imply this is a measure of bigotry. If this is a measure of bigotry then - by your standards - the thousands of Facebook users who changed their facebook names to Hussein are also bigots.

You say “this Hussein nonsense needs to be called out.” Why? The controversy was started by the man himself. He is a racist, a divider of grand proportions. My facebook example coupled with the “other side” using it in exactly the same wayby drawing attention to the name — is just what it is. It is reaction from both sides by a man who seeks to divide. Who are you to decide which use is “nonsense”.

Time magazine wrote the following entitled article: Why Is Obama’s Middle Name Taboo?

Maybe it will help to explain to you what we were speaking of upthread.

And then here’s the turnaround: Obama Embraces His Middle Name: Hussein

You say this was not a publicized matter. It was. My sources are Time Magazine and ABC news.

In fact, here’s an excerpt from my above link to drive my point home:

“The fact that Obama did use his middle name will likely be seen in the Muslim world as a friendly gesture, a sign of cultural change in the US approach.”

“Indeed, ABC’s digital correspondent in Islamabad Nick Schifrin notes: “If you talk to anyone here, no matter how poor, it seems they know Barack HUSSEIN Obama became the president of America. They don’t necessarily think his Muslim father will translate into different policies — but they certainly hope so.”

My bottom line, Baier, is that his middle name DOES mean something. ABC’s use of capitalization above makes this irrefutable. You coming on this blog and slamming one of our most cherished lizards (had a bad day, kiddo? hmmm?) does NOTHING to further any civilized discourse over this non-issue. It is undeniable that he has skillfully drawn focus to the name. The results are predictable (as any good community organizer knows).

The man has a Muslim middle name. He has undeniably made sympathetic moves toward those (of Muslim origin) who wish to harm us. His position (and choice of nominees) regarding Israel is frightening. We take offense. Others don’t. This is called “the real world”. We use the middle name and you somehow feel it is your duty to “call out” the person who used it.

Perhaps the bigotry is in your own mind.

17 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 10:31:55am

re: #16 pink freud

Wow! Just wow! You sure know your stuff.

I wish that I had 1,000 dings up to give you.

And Hussein is intent on trying to divide Israel. He is an enemy of the Jews, and only the lefties and self-hating Jews voted for him.

Just read nearly all the Israeli blogs and see how many of the best bloggers also call him Hussein, and/or bold the name. if they use Barack Hussein Obama… and American bloggers also do it.

Here is the countdown clock that counts down the time until Hussein is out of the White House, unless he and his band of thieves are kicked out of office!

18 baier  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 10:34:53am

All of your points only strengthen my argument that the only reason his middle name is an issue at all is because it is of Muslim origin. His middle name is an issue to you because it points out he is/was Muslim.
I agree with the points you’ve made about his policy but using his middle name as grounds for explaining this is wrong-headed. You’re saying, he does this because he is/was Muslim. I think he does what he does because he is an ignoramus. That is the difference, and it’s is big one.


As far as “slamming” NY Nana, she can obviously stand up for herself.

19 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 10:39:30am

re: #1 Baier

NY Nana, your continued insistence on using Obama’s middle name to draw attention to his Muslim background is disturbing. If you cannot find another reason to dislike Obama, and there are plenty, than the middle name his parents gave to him, you are a bigot.

Baier,
You continue to defend your attack upon Nana after all the evidence presented prove you wrong.
F**k off and leave our Nana alone.

20 pink freud  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 10:47:01am

re: #18 baier

All of your points only strengthen my argument that the only reason his middle name is an issue at all is because it is of Muslim origin. His middle name is an issue to you because it points out he is/was Muslim.
I agree with the points you’ve made about his policy but using his middle name as grounds for explaining this is wrong-headed. You’re saying, he does this because he is/was Muslim. I think he does what he does because he is an ignoramus. That is the difference, and it’s is big one.

As far as “slamming” NY Nana, she can obviously stand up for herself.

Am I writing in Greek?

No, Baier, his middle name is NOT an issue to me, one way or another. Nowhere have I said this.

Again ….Greek? Nowhere did I say “he does this because he is Muslim”.

Dude, your translator from human-speak to Baier-speak needs tweaking.

What I *am* saying is the the man himself made his middle name an issue. People ran with it in both directions. Neither direction is worse or better, they are just directions. What *does* matter is he used it as a ploy to divide. And you, by your initial post, jumped onto the bandwagon yourself. The manner in which you did it is what is bothersome to me.

21 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 10:51:35am

re: #19 unrealizedviewpoint

Thanks! Do you want some chicken soup?

It is almost 90 degrees here right now. And we are in the suburbs of NYC…maybe when it gets cooler I can send you some virtual chicken soup? ;)

Maybe we will soon see the [deleted] go the way of a certain blogger who abused LGF and a group of Lizards?

22 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 10:59:01am

re: #21 NY Nana

Thanks! Do you want some chicken soup?

It is almost 90 degrees here right now. And we are in the suburbs of NYC…maybe when it gets cooler I can send you some virtual chicken soup? ;)

Maybe we will soon see the [deleted] go the way of a certain blogger who abused LGF and a group of Lizards?

I wasn’t here the day Stinky escorted YMedad off the property. I do expect he’ll try to sneak-in using some sock-puppet.
I would never turn down chicken soup.

23 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 10:59:07am

re: #20 pink freud

Were you posting here when the Atlas sh*t hit the fan, and she tried to defend a really vile remark that she, as a Jew, posted re ‘all Europeans, Jews included, yada, yada, yada re the Holocaust, the night she started up?

When she realized that she let her inner bitch show so sickeningly, she then lamented re the family members she lost in the Shoah…we were all stunned yet livid at the equivalent of the parent killer who throws themselves on the mercy of the court, after murdering the parents, as he/she is now an orphan?

This seems to be a similar case.

24 pink freud  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 11:12:22am

re: #23 NY Nana

No, I was not here that night …wow.

I don’t have enough information on this person to say one way or another.

Agreed, we should criticize 0bama on his policies, but to pretend there is nothing of a sympathetic nature to Islam is preposterous …and dangerous.

More “nothing”:

“The (Muslim call to prayer) is the most beautiful sound in the world.”

“…and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

25 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 11:21:53am

re: #24 pink freud

She is Pamela Geller (Atlas) and has gone over to the dark side..she knifed Charles in the back…the man she called her ‘blog Daddy’.

She is the one on the Vlaams Belang/Robert Spencer etc. threads.

26 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 11:23:03am

re: #22 unrealizedviewpoint

I would never turn down chicken soup.

Remind me when the weather gets cooler! ;)

27 pink freud  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 11:24:30am

re: #25 NY Nana

Yes, I know of her all too well. I remember when she posted here regularly. I just happened to miss that night you referred to.

28 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 11:30:02am

re: #27 pink freud

I just happened to miss that night you referred to.

Oh, how I wish that I had missed it, also. It was just shocking…the real Atlas came out.


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