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1 Mr. Sandman  Sat, May 2, 2009 12:04:42am

Focusing on your commentary that

“No, it was well understood that the protests were genuinely grass-roots driven. The louder a liberal mocks, the more you know they are fearing a real threat. Sarah Palin and Joe Wurzelbacher can tell you all about it.”

But this commentary of yours inverts the reality of how the country as a whole reacted to Palin and Joe the Plumber. Right-wing commentary at the time presented them as “threats” (as you say) to Obama, as representative of mainstream America, and as signaling a game-changing moment in the election where Obama was supposed to go from having the edge to losing. But that’s not how either situation turned out. Obama won, you recall, by a solid margin, and when Palin and later Joe were introduced to the public, there may have been a short-term effect on the polls, but that petered out by the time of the actual election. The point both Palin and Joe had very passionate support, but the very opposite of broad support. Scientific opinion polls confirm, for example, that the more right-wing one is, the more intense one’s support for Palin—but as a whole, the country has a negative opinion of her.

The same kind of thing is going one with this “tea party” thing, events full of sound and fury, but narrated by an idiot (or to modify the original quote, by a fringe-movement).

2 Wendya  Sat, May 2, 2009 12:39:53am

I understand the contempt certain people feel for anyone who gets off their ass and actually holds a sign at a protest. Of course the people shaking their heads in disgust were the same type of people shaking their heads in disgust at those poor deluded colonists who protested King George’s policies. Much better to just sit at home and wait for someone to come and deliver you, eh?

3 Mr. Sandman  Sat, May 2, 2009 1:13:21am

re: #2 Wendya

This is stupid. You aren’t Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin or a colonist/American Revolutionary War soldier. Just because you call it a Tea Party does not mean you’re engaging in something on the same level of historical significance as the Boston Tea Party. You far-right wingers way too easily fall for style over substance, and convince yourselves that your extreme delusions—made up from solely the propaganda and manipulative terminology you hear—are reality.

Seriously, why is it only Obama who plays the role of King George in your (and Glenn Beck’s) delusional world? Where were the tea parties against the last president siphoned off the Social Security surplus—a program PAID FOR by average workers—to give tax breaks to the richest few? And whose policies allowing Wall Street to milk and bilk as much as possible from the average citizen caused the economic collapse. And who was the original creator of the TARP program (where I would agree that Obama is not managing correctly—he is managing it like a Republican would, unfortunately. But do you really think that if we got Obama out and put another Bush in that it would be managed any better? With more safeguards for the average taxpayer? With more of a focus on the welfare of Main Street over Wall Street?) The reason for the economic collapse, and the huge deficits, are not Obama. They are fundamentally the inevitable result of the shift in our economic system starting with Reagan, where we cut tax revenue for the upper income brackets, deregulated safeguards in financial practices which protected the public welfare from Wall Street gaming the system, from basically cheating and defrauding into ever-expanding wealth for themselves, and yet still spend at gargantuan levels. Tax-cut (for the rich) and spend— an unsustainable system, which must collapse at some point.

4 Dan G.  Sat, May 2, 2009 1:21:26pm

re: #3 Mr. Sandman

I agree with your first paragraph, but to blame tax cuts for those who produce wealth for the problems of those without wealth as you do in your second paragraph (i.e. your Wall St. / Main St. dichotomy) makes no sense. The current economic collapse was not due to people on Wall St. stealing from those on Main St., I’m curious how you imagine this happened, hyperbole aside. Banks were forced, by legislation, to lend to those who couldn’t honor their word to repay. The legislation provided an out for the financial institutions by backing the notes with the guarantee of the U.S. government, but; there’s no such thing as a philosopher’s stone, a worthless loan is a worthless loan. Many people put their time and money into funds investing in these worthless loans, and as such, when everyone woke up and realized they weren’t worth the paper they were written on, the proverbial house of cards collapsed.


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