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1 studentpatriot  Wed, May 19, 2010 10:57:17am

Maybe runaway global warming isn't in the cards...

2 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 19, 2010 11:06:59am

Right, as if no one has ever tried to distort Trenberth's work before.

Understanding Trenberth's travesty.

What exactly are you trying to accomplish by posting articles like this, and the ones by creationist Roy Spencer, at LGF?

3 studentpatriot  Wed, May 19, 2010 11:32:05am
What exactly are you trying to accomplish by posting articles like this...

Does the journal Science not meet your standards? Or do you not appreciate articles that discuss the 'dark side' of global warming and what we can actually model accurately?

I posted this because I think it lends credence to Spencer (who like the head of the NIH Francis Collins is a Christian with a belief in a Creator) and his article saying that we don't know all the parameters for warming and things like clouds might be messing up calculations. Good thing there isn't a religious purity test for those who want to run government agencies or publish scientific work!

I thought it a funny coincidence that this article also mentioned clouds as a source of variability in climate modeling. I wonder if two people on different sides of the global warming issue both pointing to clouds as a parameter that needs better modeling might mean something?

maybe not, or maybe work like Spencer's to model clouds might shed some light on missing energy, or lack thereof

4 Randall Gross  Wed, May 19, 2010 12:25:48pm

I think you might find some of your answer here

[Link: www.skepticalscience.com...]

5 Randall Gross  Wed, May 19, 2010 12:26:24pm

and also here

[Link: www.skepticalscience.com...]

6 Randall Gross  Wed, May 19, 2010 12:32:37pm

Don't forget to read the comment sections there SP, and if you think you are truly on to something why don't you join in the discussion at those articles?

7 studentpatriot  Wed, May 19, 2010 1:19:17pm

re: #4 Thanos

I emailed Kevin Trenberth, asking if von Schuckmann's result was evidence that the missing heat was being sequestered in deeper waters. Trenberth replied promptly (the guy is a class act), informing me that von Schuckmann's energy imbalance of 0.77 W/m2 was for the ocean only and when you average it out over the whole globe, it gives a net energy imbalance of 0.54 W/m2. This is still insufficient to meet up with the satellite data and there are unresolved issues with how von Schuckmann handles the deep water heating.

No wrong answer. What is my question again? Are clouds responsible for the heat discrepancies as suggested by Trenberth?

8 studentpatriot  Wed, May 19, 2010 1:37:47pm

re: #5 Thanos

Again, Spencer and others don't argue that warming isn't happening, just that it will be around .6 degrees by 2100 instead of 4+

9 studentpatriot  Wed, May 19, 2010 1:42:42pm

I don't post 6 links/day or anything, just throwing out some healthy questions about climate modeling once every couple of weeks.

Look at it as a way to sharpen your arguments.

Also, attacking peoples religious beliefs in a science thread is poor form.

10 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 19, 2010 3:25:44pm

re: #9 studentpatriot

I don't post 6 links/day or anything, just throwing out some healthy questions about climate modeling once every couple of weeks.

Look at it as a way to sharpen your arguments.

Also, attacking peoples religious beliefs in a science thread is poor form.

Nope, I'm not attacking anyone's religious beliefs. I am, however, attacking Dr. Roy Spencer's credibility as a scientist, since he is an openly avowed creationist. That's not simply a "religious belief," and you know it. It's a denial of reality, and it seriously calls Spencer's judgment and rationality into question.

11 studentpatriot  Thu, May 20, 2010 4:49:32am

re: #10 Charles

Nope, I'm not attacking anyone's religious beliefs. I am, however, attacking Dr. Roy Spencer's credibility as a scientist, since he is an openly avowed creationist. That's not simply a "religious belief," and you know it. It's a denial of reality, and it seriously calls Spencer's judgment and rationality into question.

What about Dr. Francis Collins, leader of the Human Genome Project, and current head of the National Institute of Health?

Here are two of his recent books, you can also find interviews with him on sites such as Charlie Rose.

The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief

Belief: Readings on the Reason for Faith

What I do know is that you are on a slippery slope impugning Spencer via creationism, and yep, I'll say it, I think you know it too!


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