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1 Gus  Jun 13, 2010 2:49:37am

4 meetings? What a joke. Rename the dorm and be done with it. They should be ashamed they named it after this racist scumbag in the first place.

He even looked like trash:

Image: Cadet_William_S._Simpkins.JPG

2 iceweasel  Jun 13, 2010 2:55:40am

re: #1 Gus 802

4 meetings? What a joke. Rename the dorm and be done with it. They should be ashamed they named it after this racist scumbag in the first place.

He even looked like trash:

Image: Cadet_William_S._Simpkins.JPG

I suppose they want to be sure they can say they heard everyone out— like those sons of the confederacy and the Glorious Cause who keep telling us this shit is about ‘honouring the confederate dead’. No, it isn’t.

But I do see it as of a piece with the attempts to claim the Civil War wasn’t about slavery and the like. After going through public school in Texas with their new curriculum, who wouldn’t feel right at home at UT/Austin now?

Well, black people. But that’s part of the point, isn’t it.

3 Gus  Jun 13, 2010 2:59:56am

re: #2 iceweasel

I suppose they want to be sure they can say they heard everyone out— like those sons of the confederacy and the Glorious Cause who keep telling us this shit is about ‘honouring the confederate dead’. No, it isn’t.

But I do see it as of a piece with the attempts to claim the Civil War wasn’t about slavery and the like. After going through public school in Texas with their new curriculum, who wouldn’t feel right at home at UT/Austin now?

Well, black people. But that’s part of the point, isn’t it.

Yeah, that the new Wingnut Revisionism™. The Civil War wasn’t about slavery and Jesus was a Republican. Yeah, I know the political parties were reversed back then.

If this was an open thread someone would bring up Robert Byrd.

4 iceweasel  Jun 13, 2010 3:09:26am

re: #3 Gus 802

Yeah, that the new Wingnut Revisionism™. The Civil War wasn’t about slavery and Jesus was a Republican. Yeah, I know the political parties were reversed back then.

If this was an open thread someone would bring up Robert Byrd.

BLARGH! Robert Byrd! BLARGH! DEMS AND CIVIL RIGHTS ACT! BLARGH LIBRHULS R TEH REAL RACISTS!1!

Cue Victor Davis Hanson or some other gasbag and one of those wide-eyed ‘think’ pieces, “Gee, why do black people vote Democrat anyway?”
The ‘answer’ is always something like, “Dems are the real racists and black people are just too darned stupid/lazy/love their Dem handouts too much to realise it.”

lol.

5 iceweasel  Jun 13, 2010 3:11:34am

re: #3 Gus 802


If this was an open thread someone would bring up Robert Byrd.

That is also certainly one of the reasons why sometimes I prefer to hang out on pages rather than main threads, for sure.

6 Gus  Jun 13, 2010 3:14:11am

re: #4 iceweasel

BLARGH! Robert Byrd! BLARGH! DEMS AND CIVIL RIGHTS ACT! BLARGH LIBRHULS R TEH REAL RACISTS!1!

Cue Victor Davis Hanson or some other gasbag and one of those wide-eyed ‘think’ pieces, “Gee, why do black people vote Democrat anyway?”
The ‘answer’ is always something like, “Dems are the real racists and black people are just too darned stupid/lazy/love their Dem handouts too much to realise it.”

lol.

Yeah, handouts! Now where did I put my dog whistle. That says it all you know. When white Republicans talk about blacks in the context of voting for Democrats and refer to welfare. You ever hear any of those Johnny Rebel songs on the Howard Stern show? That’s an old meme from the late 60s about “them black folks on welfare” taking our hard earned cash. It’s Klan talk and they’re too stupid to know it. Their theory is that if blacks voted for Republicans then they would be out of poverty. What a joke.

7 iceweasel  Jun 13, 2010 3:29:20am

re: #6 Gus 802

Yeah, handouts! Now where did I put my dog whistle. That says it all you know. When white Republicans talk about blacks in the context of voting for Democrats and refer to welfare. You ever hear any of those Johnny Rebel songs on the Howard Stern show? That’s an old meme from the late 60s about “them black folks on welfare” taking our hard earned cash. It’s Klan talk and they’re too stupid to know it. Their theory is that if blacks voted for Republicans then they would be out of poverty. What a joke.

I never heard those, but I certainly remember that Reagan scared people with his tales of ‘young bucks in Cadillacs buying steak’ and ‘welfare queens’.

I haven’t seen anyone on the right make one of those arguments (Why do black people vote Democrat?) without ‘concluding’ or just asserting that a central component is that ‘they’ just love ‘getting free stuff’. If only ‘they’ were less shiftless and a little smarter, they’d realise it’s the GOP that has their best interest at heart.

Variations on this argument pop up all the time— usually the racist component is up front, but sometimes they’ll generalise and say ‘everyone who voted for Obama’ did so for ‘the free stuff and handouts’. Their meaning is still very clear though, and racism is a central component.
It’s getting wearying belonging to the reality-based community.

8 Gus  Jun 13, 2010 3:41:10am

re: #7 iceweasel

I never heard those, but I certainly remember that Reagan scared people with his tales of ‘young bucks in Cadillacs buying steak’ and ‘welfare queens’.

I haven’t seen anyone on the right make one of those arguments (Why do black people vote Democrat?) without ‘concluding’ or just asserting that a central component is that ‘they’ just love ‘getting free stuff’. If only ‘they’ were less shiftless and a little smarter, they’d realise it’s the GOP that has their best interest at heart.

Variations on this argument pop up all the time— usually the racist component is up front, but sometimes they’ll generalise and say ‘everyone who voted for Obama’ did so for ‘the free stuff and handouts’. Their meaning is still very clear though, and racism is a central component.
It’s getting wearying belonging to the reality-based community.

Just looked up Reagan’s comments. Right, it was “an innocent mistake.” So was dragging his feet on South Africa. That part of history pisses me off since Reagan was siding with the apartheid regime — end of story.

Instead of using steak as a reference Johnny Rebel used “a can of beans” but he also used the stereotype of the Cadillac which is still in frequent use. Again, the connection of blacks and welfare was a common rallying cry with the Klan and post Great Society racists.

They talk like living on welfare is like living it up in life. People that live on welfare have a hard time making ends meet and there are dozens of restrictions on what they can buy and even what they can drive sometimes.

There was barely any jobs even before this recession hit. Most of heavy industry moved out of the USA not because of unions and regulations but so they can get away from regulations and pay their workers what we were paying workers in the USA in the late 1930s. That’s how much workers get payed in China. And at the same time we saw an escalation of billionaires in the country who contribute almost zero to society.

9 iceweasel  Jun 13, 2010 3:49:35am

re: #8 Gus 802


Instead of using steak as a reference Johnny Rebel used “a can of beans” but he also used the stereotype of the Cadillac which is still in frequent use. Again, the connection of blacks and welfare was a common rallying cry with the Klan and post Great Society racists.

They talk like living on welfare is like living it up in life. People that live on welfare have a hard time making ends meet and there are dozens of restrictions on what they can buy and even what they can drive sometimes.

IIRC didn’t LBJ have to target whites in Appalachia for his Great Society/War on Poverty? In part because of exactly this thinking, basically— knew he wouldn’t get support unless poverty could be seen to also be a ‘white problem’.

10 Gus  Jun 13, 2010 3:53:45am

re: #9 iceweasel

IIRC didn’t LBJ have to target whites in Appalachia for his Great Society/War on Poverty? In part because of exactly this thinking, basically— knew he wouldn’t get support unless poverty could be seen to also be a ‘white problem’.

Good point. And guess what? It’s still a problem. Appalachia has a very high entitlement requirement due to poverty and it’s still predominantly white. Many of them that worked for coal mines remained in poverty until the mining unions gained power and forced those monsters to give them a living wage.

11 Gus  Jun 13, 2010 3:56:59am

Since the creation of the Appalachian Regional Commission (ARC) in 1965, the region has seen dramatic progress. New roads, schools, health care facilities, water and sewer systems, and other improvements have brought a better life to many Appalachian residents. In the 1960s, 219 counties in the 13-state Appalachian Region were considered economically distressed. Now that list has been cut in half, to 81 counties, but these are “hard-core” pockets of poverty, seemingly impervious to all efforts at improving their lot. Martin County, Kentucky, the site of Johnson’s 1964 speech, is one such county still ranked as “distressed” by the ARC. As of 2000, the per capita income in Martin County was $10,650, and 37% of its residents lived below the poverty line.

en.wikipedia.org

People should remember that next time they try to paint LBJ as the devil.

12 iceweasel  Jun 13, 2010 4:07:37am

re: #10 Gus 802

Good point. And guess what? It’s still a problem. Appalachia has a very high entitlement requirement due to poverty and it’s still predominantly white. Many of them that worked for coal mines remained in poverty until the mining unions gained power and forced those monsters to give them a living wage.

Wonder what Rand Paul thinks about that. Probably objects to people trampling on the rights of mining companies.

Of course, expecting to work in safe conditions or get time off to attend the funerals of your coworkers who died in the mine is still asking too much…

13 Gus  Jun 13, 2010 4:13:02am

re: #12 iceweasel

Wonder what Rand Paul thinks about that. Probably objects to people trampling on the rights of mining companies.

Of course, expecting to work in safe conditions or get time off to attend the funerals of your coworkers who died in the mine is still asking too much…

Oh my god what a pig. Massey should be in prison. Don’t count on it.

Rand Paul, like his brain dead dad, probably thinks that enough people die in coal mining accident then the market would react and stop buying coal from those coal mining companies. At the same time, these same creeps think that there should be set limits to who can sue or in most cases think there should be laws that bar people from suing for liability.

14 Gus  Jun 13, 2010 4:15:05am

re: #12 iceweasel

Massey’s also a creationist, anti-atheist, everyone’s a Communist that doesn’t think like me, environmentalists are like the Soviets, lunatic. You know. Thump, thump, thump.

15 Gus  Jun 13, 2010 4:40:04am

Why is it that “conservatives” are always harping on liberals and the Nanny State yet it’s typically “conservatives” that want to:

1. Ban abortion.
2. Ban drugs or keep marijuana illegal.
3. Ban gay marriages.
4. Ban Mosques.
5. Ban teachers with Spanish accents.
6. Ban explicit lyrics.
7. Ban unions.
8. Ban ethnic studies.
9. Ban atheists from holding office.
10. Ban lesbian or gay couples at proms.

16 iceweasel  Jun 13, 2010 4:53:06am

re: #15 Gus 802

Why is it that “conservatives” are always harping on liberals and the Nanny State yet it’s typically “conservatives” that want to:

1. Ban abortion.
2. Ban drugs or keep marijuana illegal.
3. Ban gay marriages.
4. Ban Mosques.
5. Ban teachers with Spanish accents.
6. Ban explicit lyrics.
7. Ban unions.
8. Ban ethnic studies.
9. Ban atheists from holding office.
10. Ban lesbian or gay couples at proms.

Because it’s conservatives that:
1. Object to the separation of church and state
2. Believe America is a Christian nation and was founded to be such
3. believe the right to privacy doesn’t extend to the bedrooms of people they don’t like, and definitely doesn’t apply to a uterus.
4. Worship authoritarianism and have a low tolerance for dissent.

17 Gus  Jun 13, 2010 4:56:27am

re: #16 iceweasel

Because it’s conservatives that:
1. Object to the separation of church and state
2. Believe America is a Christian nation and was founded to be such
3. believe the right to privacy doesn’t extend to the bedrooms of people they don’t like, and definitely doesn’t apply to a uterus.
4. Worship authoritarianism and have a low tolerance for dissent.

Heck yeah. They actually think that Bill Maher, as much of a prick he can be, should be removed from the airwaves like they would in Venezuela. They have a lot in common with right wing/left wing dictators. They also have a lot in common with Jihadists. They love Joseph McCarthy and would like to see “Avatar”, the fictional movie, banned from being shown.

18 iceweasel  Jun 13, 2010 5:09:45am

re: #17 Gus 802

Heck yeah. They actually think that Bill Maher, as much of a prick he can be, should be removed from the airwaves like they would in Venezuela. They have a lot in common with right wing/left wing dictators. They also have a lot in common with Jihadists. They love Joseph McCarthy and would like to see “Avatar”, the fictional movie, banned from being shown.

Right, but when PayPal decides to boot Pam Geller for violating their TOS, the concern trolls pop out of the woodwork about how terrible PayPal is for doing so. Censorship!!1! RaNd PAuL!

Ditto with the wingnut whinging over people protesting Beck by boycotting companies that advertise with him. I recall lots of wingnut concern trolling and handwringing over that— how evil it is for an individual to stop buying from a particular company! Won’t someone think of the poor corporations?

These people would have objected to the Montgomery Bus Boycott on grounds that it wasn’t fair to the bus companies or the city.

19 Gus  Jun 13, 2010 5:17:09am

re: #18 iceweasel

Right, but when PayPal decides to boot Pam Geller for violating their TOS, the concern trolls pop out of the woodwork about how terrible PayPal is for doing so. Censorship!!1! RaNd PAuL!

Ditto with the wingnut whinging over people protesting Beck by boycotting companies that advertise with him. I recall lots of wingnut concern trolling and handwringing over that— how evil it is for an individual to stop buying from a particular company! Won’t someone think of the poor corporations?

These people would have objected to the Montgomery Bus Boycott on grounds that it wasn’t fair to the bus companies or the city.

According to Rand Paul, PayPal has every right to cancel that weirdo that’s living off her auto dealer dead husband’s estate. PayPal think she sucks so off she goes. Maybe they can start their own service since this is afterall a “free market” economy. They can call it HatePal™ and all of her dumb followers can keep on sending her 5 bucks every so often.

Interesting though. Usually they default towards the corporations. PayPal is a corporation but now they’re not siding with the corporation and are in fact acting like those they criticize. Even down to threatening to sue. I thought right winger didn’t sue and sucked it up when a corporation said no? Isn’t this similar to when they say that we should bow to what the credit card companies demand? Or banks?

20 iceweasel  Jun 13, 2010 5:27:25am

re: #19 Gus 802

According to Rand Paul, PayPal has every right to cancel that weirdo that’s living off her auto dealer dead husband’s estate. PayPal think she sucks so off she goes. Maybe they can start their own service since this is afterall a “free market” economy. They can call it HatePal™ and all of her dumb followers can keep on sending her 5 bucks every so often.

Interesting though. Usually they default towards the corporations. PayPal is a corporation but now they’re not siding with the corporation and are in fact acting like those they criticize. Even down to threatening to sue. I thought right winger didn’t sue and sucked it up when a corporation said no? Isn’t this similar to when they say that we should bow to what the credit card companies demand? Or banks?

HatePal! HA!

Well, the poor banks needed those bailouts. Besides, everyone knows that the economic collapse is the fault of those shiftless types who deliberately took out extortionate mortgages and defaulted. Oh, and the Dems. Yeah, them. /

Won’t someone think of the banks? The poor, poor banks? And those hapless investment bankers bundling lousy mortgages, just trying to make an honest million? Why do Democrats hate the workin’ man?

21 Gus  Jun 13, 2010 5:34:10am

re: #20 iceweasel

HatePal! HA!

Well, the poor banks needed those bailouts. Besides, everyone knows that the economic collapse is the fault of those shiftless types who deliberately took out extortionate mortgages and defaulted. Oh, and the Dems. Yeah, them. /

Won’t someone think of the banks? The poor, poor banks? And those hapless investment bankers bundling lousy mortgages, just trying to make an honest million? Why do Democrats hate the workin’ man?

That’s too much yet true. Yep, the first instinct by the right was to blame the poor people that took on mortgages. They ignored everything else. They also seem to have forgotten that TARP took place in October of 2008 more or less. Many of them think Obama was behind it. McCain even made it a point to go back to DC and vote for TARP which the wingnuts now oppose and try to pin that on the Dems.

The bust was caused by the banks, investment houses, the mortgage companies, etc. What did they get for that? Other than the sacrificial lamb Bear Stearns? A bailout and a raise.


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