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1 mkelly  Jun 28, 2010 1:06:35pm

From The New York Times, 1969

From the 9th century to the 13th century almost no ice was reported there. This was the period- of Norse colonization of’ Iceland and Greenland. Then, conditions worsened and the Norse colonies declined. After the Little Ice Age of 1650 to 1840 the ice began to vanish near Iceland and had almost disappeared when the trend re versed, disastrously crippling Icelandic fisheries last year.

Speaking of the Artic ice. Those darn Vikings must have soaked up all the CO2 and caused the ice to reform.

2 MKelly  Jun 28, 2010 1:33:50pm

On the 2nd of November 1922, The Washington Post published the following story: Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt”. The corresponding report in the Monthly Weather Review of November 1922 had also stated that the ice conditions in the Northern North Atlantic were exceptional; in fact, so little ice has never before been noted[4]. Only 16 year later the meteorologist C.E.P. Books thought it necessary to explain the situation more complex:

In recent years attention is being directed more and more towards a problem which may possibly prove of great significance in human affairs, the rise of temperature in the northern hemisphere, and especially in the Arctic regions. (Brooks, 1938)


The Arctic warms and cools on cycles we do not understand. If the seals vanished in 1922 where did the polar bears go. They must have gone extinct. No ice and no seals.

3 freetoken  Jun 28, 2010 1:39:41pm

re: #1 mkelly

The article to which I linked is talking about the entire arctic, and especially north of Canada and Russia where ice is decreasing rapidly. For you to bring out the talking point - and that is what it is, a denier’s talking point - about Greenland and Iceland misses the point of current Arctic research altogether.


re: #2 MKelly


The Arctic warms and cools on cycles we do not understand. If the seals vanished in 1922 where did the polar bears go. They must have gone extinct. No ice and no seals.

So, from which part of the denial-o-sphere are you copying and pasting? Have you considered that the alleged WP article was not discussing the entire arctic?

4 Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2010 1:49:22pm

re: #2 MKelly

Oh, you again. Do you ever get tired of spreading false information?

5 lostlakehiker  Jun 28, 2010 2:02:09pm

Actually this article raises a sobering point: at CO2 levels no higher than where we’ll get even in the most optimistic scenario for a worldwide response to the danger of climate change, Ellesmere island, in its present location, 4 million years ago was roughly 20 degrees C warmer than it is now.

So what that tells us is that there is a climate steady state which, once reached, is much, much warmer than what we now have, provided only that CO2 levels are higher than they’ve been up to the 20th century and that the Milankovich cycle not be dialed all the way over to “ice age”.

The Greenland ice cap will take centuries to mostly melt. Even at the rate we’re going, it’ll be less than half gone by the end of this century. While it remains, it will reflect nicely. The Antarctic ice cap is still more robust. But it’s like we’re living in a “house” that’s cooled by melting ice from an icebox that cannot be replenished. It will not do to observe that the house is not yet uncomfortably warm, so why worry?

On the course we’re now steering, we have a few centuries grace period before the full bill comes due. And then, fifty thousand years of temperatures that will be a boon to the insect kingdom but will not suit us mammals so well.


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