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1 Lidane  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:01:40pm

Yeah, because a woman leading the Mass is just as wrong as a priest molesting dozens of victims.

What a bunch of sexist, archaic bullshit. I'm so glad I walked away years ago.

2 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:39:24pm

re: #1 Lidane

Yeah, because a woman leading the Mass is just as wrong as a priest molesting dozens of victims.

What a bunch of sexist, archaic bullshit. I'm so glad I walked away years ago.

I've thought about writing a page about my own Catholic upbringing and eventual abandonment of the church. There would be many ways to tell that story-- so much goes into the abandonment of such a world view --and in truth like many the story of my loss of faith doesn't proceed in a straight line, it has multiple starting points.

But one way of telling that story and one crucial, central theme running through all of it is this: the realisation from 6 years old that I was permanently excluded on the basis of my sex alone. No matter how much better I was than the next smartest boy in my CCD class, at 6 and elsewhere, I would be permanently 'lesser than'.

I started asking 'why' then and I have never stopped. Not only in the area of religion, but in all areas of my life; it was the first nascent feminist awareness I had.

3 Lidane  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:48:44pm

re: #2 iceweasel

But one way of telling that story and one crucial, central theme running through all of it is this: the realisation from 6 years old that I was permanently excluded on the basis of my sex alone. No matter how much better I was than the next smartest boy in my CCD class, at 6 and elsewhere, I would be permanently 'lesser than'.

Boy does that sound familiar.

When I was a girl, I wanted to be a priest. I knew the Mass backwards and forwards and would even play at it with grape juice and crackers just because I thought it was fun. Being told that I could never do it and just because I was a girl was probably the first time that I really started asking why those rules were in place. It also was one of the jumping off points for my transition away from Catholicism.

I still went through all the motions all the way through high school and Confirmation, but in the end it was meaningless. When you're always going to be an inferior and just because of your gender, it's hard to really put stock in what you're being told to believe. At least that was my experience.

I started asking 'why' then and I have never stopped. Not only in the area of religion, but in all areas of my life; it was the first nascent feminist awareness I had.

Oh definitely. Same here. I completely relate to that.

4 Gus  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:51:54pm

This was the write up in the New York Times:

Vatican Rules Equate Pedophilia and Ordaining Women

That's right. They're putting it on the same moral level as pedophilia.

5 Sacred Plants  Fri, Jul 16, 2010 9:38:34am

How vielsagend. In terms of world affairs, this puts Benedict XVI down on the same moral level as John Paul II when he sided with Khomeini against Rushdie. In terms of Church affairs, this puts him into a profound disconnect with the monastic tradition of ordaining women, which is quite a volatile move when the base is just reassessing to which extent monastic traditions such as celibacy are to remain to be extended to the preachers. I was not surprised if that choice resulted from the same motivational aspects as in the mentioned precedent, in particular uncertainty as to how much the culture industry really is scooping from public sources only.


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