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1 Buck  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:08:17am

Sorry, but you are wrong.

The Republicans are VERY CLEAR they only want to know how it is going to be paid for.

There is unspent stimulus funds, the Dems can use that.

A fair compromise, without adding to the deficit.

However I think Reid and Franken are counting on you and the media putting out the biased headline.

Remember PAYGO? Well, at one time the Dems were for it.

I suggest a different headline: Franken: Let's spend funds that are borrowed rather than currently available.

2 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:15:15am

re: #1 Buck

Sorry, but you are wrong.

The Republicans are VERY CLEAR they only want to know how it is going to be paid for.

Rubbish. I suggest you check the posts here on LGF about all the various blocks they've thrown at measures that would give the unemployed relief. Check out the many statements here from GOP candidates and people on the right hating on the unemployed too. Start your own page to push your partisan view of things if you like, but make sure you're up to speed on what's going on first.

PS I suggest you start here:
GOP lawmakers optimistic about 'no' votes

In February, when unpredictable Sen. Jim Bunning single-handedly stalled extensions of unemployment benefits for several days, his Republican colleagues quickly abandoned him, worried that the GOP would be cast as the party against helping people who are out of work.

Last month, as jobless benefits were again to set to expire, Bunning (Ky.) still objected to funding them in a way that would increase the deficit. But this time, nearly every Republican in the Senate joined him, leading to a month-long impasse in which more than 2 million people briefly lost their benefits. When the extension finally passed last week, only two Republicans backed the $34 billion unemployment measure, compared with 21 who had voted with Democrats in March.

That stand-off illustrated the dynamics that have defined Capitol Hill over the last few months.

This is their strategy, buddy. Pay attention.

3 Buck  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 10:01:22am

re: #2 iceweasel

I know that is the way it is being reported.

I even said that.

You bring up the unemployment benefits bill.

Well, your link UNDER REPORTS the fact that Mitch McConnell asked for the Senate's consent to pass the two-month extension of unemployment benefits that would be paid for with unspent stimulus funds. And Senate Democrats, led by Harry Reid, objected.

[Link: weeklystandard.com...]

4 Bob Levin  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 11:20:36am

Can this discussion move to one about how real jobs are created, as opposed to an us/them kind of thing?

I think we all agree that real jobs are the best solution to all of this.

5 Buck  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:08:17pm

For me the discussion is about how we characterize what is going on.

I brought up PAYGO. Which is exactly why these bills are NOT being supported by Republicans.

Under the PAYGO rules a new proposal must either be "budget neutral" or offset with savings derived from existing funds.

Take notice that Harry Reid, and Franken do not mention this. They don't think that PAYGO should apply. Why? Because THIS is an emergency. Well everyday you can characterize all spending as an emergency.

Try and run a budget that way.... you can't.

6 Bob Levin  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:33:39pm

For me, Franken is the perfect example of Congressman--a performer. He doesn't really have to know anything, he doesn't have an area of expertise--but that's pretty close to describing all of his colleagues. Franken is performing, clearly--because that's all he knows. Again, pretty close to describing all of his colleagues.

If someone wants to make a Reagan comment, fine. Actors are running the country--in terms of controlling the dialogue.

So for me, the issue is getting the conversation as far away from these folks as possible, and getting it on topic.

There would be no budget problem if the economy was healthy. And these are the questions. What makes a healthy economy? Where does wealth come from? How are jobs created?

7 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 2:15:21am

re: #5 Buck

For me the discussion is about how we characterize what is going on.

I brought up PAYGO. Which is exactly why these bills are NOT being supported by Republicans.

Under the PAYGO rules a new proposal must either be "budget neutral" or offset with savings derived from existing funds.

Take notice that Harry Reid, and Franken do not mention this. They don't think that PAYGO should apply. Why? Because THIS is an emergency. Well everyday you can characterize all spending as an emergency.

Try and run a budget that way... you can't.

Do you not remember? The Republicans voted lockstep against PAYGO. Geeze.

60 Democratic senators voted to adopt the pay-go measure (short for "pay-as-you-go"), which would require that new spending measures be offset in the budget by other funds, typically raised through tax increases or cuts to spending.

Republicans have said that by installing the rule, pay-go would become an excuse for tax hikes, since spending cuts are frequently unpopular.

All Democrats voted for the measure, and all 40 Republicans voted against it. The House adopted such a rule in a 265-166 vote last July.

Like you'll even see this reply. But holy crap, you have to read about this stuff before you spout off false statements. Paygo cannot be claimed by the Republicans. Well, only if amnesia is allowed.


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