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1 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:24:12pm

The problem with this methodology is a lot of Beck supporters don’t photograph. What you need to do is imagine that there are people in every available space and then count them. What we have here is not proof, it is the failure of imagination.

2 chonguey  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:33:40pm

Facts, numbers and scientific methodology must be evil “liberal” methods. There were a million people there because that’s what Glenn Beck and everyone else there “believed” was the true figure.

That’s the beauty of magical thinking; Reality so very seldom proves an obstacle to ones cheery-picked truths.

FYI, this is one Mormon boy who wouldn’t come within a hundred miles of a Glenn Beck rally, book signing or function. That huckster of a man makes me ill.

3 Buck  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:42:29pm

Maybe they can publish the pictures…. on the net… so that the bloggers can analyze them for themselves.

I know it seems impossible that an “expert” could look at “evidence” and get it completely wrong, but it has happened before….

4 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 5:46:47am

re: #3 Buck

Maybe they can publish the pictures… on the net… so that the bloggers can analyze them for themselves.

I know it seems impossible that an “expert” could look at “evidence” and get it completely wrong, but it has happened before…

It is certainly impossible for one expert to get a look at the pictures and get it wrong. But how about 3 experts who looked at the pictures independently, used 3 different methodologies and arrive at conclusions statistically insignificant from one another?

5 lostlakehiker  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:07:34am

The factual dispute here seems to be a matter of how do you count people who were in the trees? By witness reports, there were people in amongst the trees to the side of the reflecting pool mall. This makes sense as some forested regions are nearer the Lincoln memorial than the available open area at the far end of that pool.

The photos won’t show how many people were in the trees. Witnesses were never in any position to count them. We really won’t know.

My own guess, from aerial photographs, is that there was room for another 30K people in positions amongst the trees that were close enough to the Memorial that sitting or standing there would have made sense.

This suggests that there would in reality have been somewhere between 5K and 15K people who don’t show in the photographs but were in attendance.

6 Randall Gross  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:37:39am

re: #3 Buck

Maybe they can publish the pictures… on the net… so that the bloggers can analyze them for themselves.

I know it seems impossible that an “expert” could look at “evidence” and get it completely wrong, but it has happened before…

If you follow the links in the actual article and actually read it, you would find that all of the photos are online….

7 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:20:53am

re: #5 lostlakehiker

The factual dispute here seems to be a matter of how do you count people who were in the trees? By witness reports, there were people in amongst the trees to the side of the reflecting pool mall. This makes sense as some forested regions are nearer the Lincoln memorial than the available open area at the far end of that pool.

Read the story:

The balloon, Westergard said, gave the company the capacity to move up and down, allowing it to photograph people who were standing beneath trees in addition to taking photos from high above.

There is no dispute. You are wrong.

8 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:21:58am

re: #6 Thanos

If you follow the links in the actual article and actually read it, you would find that all of the photos are online

In fairness, he probably means the high res photos.


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