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1 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 3:06:59pm

Incidentally, Fox News picked up this story and ran it unaltered. They changed the headline after a few hours and many howls of protest from the aeronautically minded, dropping the word "jet." The Sun has yet to change their headline.

2 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 3:16:10pm

Shiplord--If I read it correctly, one of the types deep in that article included a non-operational TV test. The aircraft below was also pulled out of the water, and restored in non-original paint ID to be "Gelb 11". It thus became the common version of a Fw190 seen in high-end models and computer game sims.

Gelb 11, flown by Hans Bindseil shot down the Decatur Deb on 28 May 44, killing my father.

[Link: www.luftfahrtmuseum-hannover.de...]

3 steve_davis  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 3:54:11pm

one other thing no one ever hears of--the giant acoustic mirrors that the English used in the First World War long before radar had been developed. The idea was that sound from airplane engines could be heard very far away if it was amplified by use of a giant dish with a microphone sitting in the center. Apparently it worked, though not so well that the technology really went much further than what is left in remains off the English coast.

4 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 3:59:31pm

Sorry to hear that, Deb. I've often thought about just how much was sacrificed to stop the Nazi war machine. Given current statistics, about 40,000 of the young people we lost during the war would be alive to this day if the war had not intervened. The others would have lived an average of 55 years after the war. Our 400,000 dead represent the loss of over 20 million years of human life and human experience, and they were only a small fraction of the tens of millions killed in those 6 short years.
This is why it annoys me to see people like Hans Bindseil treated as heroes and celebrities. I know, he was only doing his job and he had no choice but I tend to see men like him more as victims of a criminal conspiracy than as heroes or admirable figures of any kind.
(I've edited the post and many thanks)


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