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1 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 3:08:20am

Exactly.

It's got nothing to do with the first amendment, or whether he honestly does get nervous around Muslims.

It's about whether expressing that opinion without investigating it, without discussing its irrationality and foolishness, is a responsible and ethical thing for a journalist to do.

It's not.

2 Buck  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 7:18:14pm

An irrational fear? Really? Did the passengers of US Airways Flight 300 express an irrational fear?

And anyway, Juan Williams is being quoted out of context. Much in the same way Sherrod was.

A few seconds after saying the comment repeated over and over, it is less discussed that Williams challenges O'Reilly's suggestion that "the Muslims attacked us on 9/11." In fact, Williams points out how wrong it would be to generalize similarly about Christians:


Hold on, because if you said Timothy McVeigh, the Atlanta bomber, these people who are protesting against homosexuality at military funerals—very obnoxious—you don't say first and foremost, "We got a problem with Christians." That's crazy.

NOT AT ALL SAYING that it is "A-ok to fear other religions". In fact exactly the opposite.

And again a little bit later, O'Reilly asks:

"Juan, who is posing a problem in Germany? Is it the Muslims who have come there, or the Germans?"

Williams reply, much to his credit:

"See, you did it again, It's extremists."

That is Williams "discussing its irrationality and foolishness".... you only had to watch the whole segment, and not "Shirley Sherrod" him.

Racist!

3 spiderx  Tue, Oct 26, 2010 10:47:44pm

journalists should not be stoking the irrational fears of citizens. Of course this is all FOX news does.

4 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:06:50am

Leave it to the Canadian fox fan to jump in here to defend Fox's fear mongering. It is irrational to fear all Muslims, Juan never pointed that out. He didn't state that his particular fear of flying with Muslims [meaning all] was irrational, he's a journalist and he knows better.

Instead he changed the theme to how crazy it would be to fear all Christians, and he never downplayed his irrational fear of getting on planes with Muslims.

5 Buck  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 10:17:15am

re: #4 Thanos

Leave it to the Canadian fox fan to jump in here to defend Fox's fear mongering. It is irrational to fear all Muslims, Juan never pointed that out. He didn't state that his particular fear of flying with Muslims [meaning all] was irrational, he's a journalist and he knows better.

Instead he changed the theme to how crazy it would be to fear all Christians, and he never downplayed his irrational fear of getting on planes with Muslims.

Actually he did. He certainly did downplay his reaction, and he was very specific about who he was worried and nervous (NOT frightened) about, and it was NOT all muslims.

When I get on a plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb, and I think, you know, they're identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.

And the part you don't want to talk about:

that there are good Muslims. I think that's a point, you know? You know, we don't want, in America, people to have their rights violated, to be attacked on the street because they hear rhetoric from Bill O'Reilly, and they act crazy.

No matter how many times you misquote him, no matter how many times you quote him out of context, it does not make what you say true.

It would be nice if NPR could just admit the truth. They took this opportunity to fire the guy simply because he had a relationship with FOX NEWS. His only crime was to be the Balance for FOX NEWS.

It is fine to accuse FOX NEWS of not being fair and balanced, but when you attack anyone who does defend the left on the network, you certainly make it more difficult for them to have balance

It is in fact NPR's obvious intolerance for Conservatives (they have not even one conservative voice on their network) that makes them appease CAIR, Soros, and other bigots.

6 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 27, 2010 11:49:22am

re: #5 Buck

He said "Muslims" that class contains all muslims, not some, not a specific subset. He references their garb, but he would rightly be upset if someone mentioned his "garb".

There's a long list at NPR, and it doesn't involve just Fox, it does include his problems with another class of people, Female co-workers as just a part of the long list. This was the final straw.

7 Buck  Thu, Oct 28, 2010 9:29:21am

re: #6 Thanos

He said "Muslims" that class contains all muslims, not some, not a specific subset.

Where and when does he say that? Do you think that picking the word "muslims" out of the sentence is the worse sort of cherry picking?

When I get on a plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb, and I think, you know, they're identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.

You don't see that he is VERY SPECIFICALLY referencing "a specific subset"?

Add to that the other stuff that he says IN THE SAME SEGMENT, and you have a very clear case of "Shirley Sherrod"ing the poor guy.

To bring up wild, and unproven past accusations only makes the lynching worse.

AND before you talk about how he got this great contract with FOX NEWS, let me say that it is irrelevant. He was improperly fired from a job he loved. When he was fired no one brought up ANY of the other improper accusations.

8 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 28, 2010 2:33:48pm

re: #7 Buck

I'm glad someone's carrying the banner for Juan's fearmongering. You know he was doing it as surely as Geert Wilders is when he attacks school girls wearing scarves. He didn't "reel it back in" until much later in the interview, and for a FOX news audience that's much too late because they have difficulties connecting things that aren't on Glenn Beck's chalkboard ya know.

Average Fox viewer takeaway from that segment is that it's ok to fear muslims and especially if they dress differently.

Juan got on the plane, the fear is irrational. You haven't refuted that.

9 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 28, 2010 2:38:28pm

Buck, this cartoon's for you
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