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1 theheat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:50:44pm

The brutal backasswards fundamentalist fucks. Who would guess in this day and age anyone can be stoned to death? From what I read, she was already found innocent of murder. This is simply grandstanding and carrying through with knuckle dragging, religious, brutality.

Separation of church and state here in the US. Needs to be that way for a reason. Quite frankly, the religious right reminds me more of Iran all time.

2 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 9:09:26am

Saudi Arabia has executed people recently for being witches also. Then there was the case of the religious police preventing firefighters from evacuating girls from a girls school. They were afraid that the young women would not be properly dressed. They burned to death.

I want you to know though, that I know that for all of the crazy things that such barbarians do, there were also great Muslim scholars who were kind, good hearted and possessed of brilliant minds. What the Islamic world can do to reclaim that is not really something I am in a position to fight, but I have the greatest respect for those Muslims who try.

This is such a tragedy all the way around. Of course for the poor woman first and foremost, but for the angry throngs who think that cruel public execution after a “trial” that everyone knows comes from a legal system that no accused woman can prevail in, is somehow a service to God, and of course, for you who has to fear that many will judge your faith as a whole by the actions of those who pervert justice in the name of God.

You have nothing but good will from me.

3 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 9:11:10am

PIMF

What the Islamic world can do to reclaim that is not really something I am in a position to fight for, but I have the greatest respect for those Muslims who try.

4 CuriousLurker  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:23:22pm

re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote

Thank you for your understanding. Seriously—the notion that Islam as practiced by the more extreme countries is the only way Islam can be (or has been) practiced is often lost. The politics, ignorance, fear, and mistrust on all sides makes the whole such a horrible mess. *SIGH* This is something that no one but Muslims can and should fix, but… well… politics, ignorance, fear and mistrust (on all sides).

I think one of the few bright spots is the possibility that Muslims in the West—who have many freedoms, are familiar with the democratic process, and are unencumbered by ME cultural mores—might be able to “push” positive change eastward rather than the ME pushing negative change westward. Unfortunately, that’s virtually impossible to accomplish when we’re being demonized & thwarted at every turn thanks to people like Gingrich, Palin, Geller, Spencer, et al who seem to be trying to delude people into thinking they can simply ban Islam/Sharia and make the problems go away.

As for Iran, the idea that anyone could receive a fair trial there is laughable. Their “Islamic” government appears to have ignored all notions of compassion, forgiveness justice, and truthfulness, as well as the numerous rules regarding evidence/witness requirements. That kind of cherry picking is B.S. and they damned well know it, they just don’t care as long as it serves their political interests and keeps them in power.

Saudi Arabia’s laws? Ditto. Fundies are the same wherever you go. It’s just like extreme Christians here who believe in their own literal interpretations of the Bible removed from the larger context of Christianity’s message & overall spirit, with little or no regard for any past scholarship that contradicts their hard-line, intolerant stance.

An example of disinformation meets ignorance: A few weeks before she was banned, our former resident Islam hater posted this page referencing an article about a book that claims the work of Al Gahzali—one of Islam’smost celebrated & respected scholars who also happened to be a Sufi and influenced Maimonides—was somehow responsible for today’s violent extremism. My jaw hit the floor when I saw that. It’s beyond absurd.

Then there are things like hijab. You know how Iran, SA, the Taliban, etc. have their morals police running around accosting women who aren’t covered properly (according to their standards)? I have asked many scholars and NONE have been able to provide any punishment on the books legislated by Sharia with regard to hijab. Those countries must have used some kind of pretzel logic to come up with their laws.

5 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:44:52pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

That was a very thoughtful post. I agree with you.

6 CuriousLurker  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 2:03:45pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

Thank you for your understanding. Seriously—the notion that Islam as practiced by the more extreme countries is not the only way Islam can be (or has been) practiced is often lost. The politics, ignorance, fear, and mistrust on all sides makes the whole such a horrible mess. *SIGH* This is something that no one but Muslims can and should fix, but… well… politics, ignorance, fear and mistrust (on all sides).

PIMF

7 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 4:46:43pm

Sakineh was not executed today

According to reports received today, global protests have managed to prevent the execution of Iran stoning case Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani as of now. However the threat of imminent execution remains.

A global public outcry immediately followed news of her impending execution on 3 November, which was reported on by all major media outlets. Tens of interviews took place with Mina Ahadi, Spokesperson of the International Committees against Stoning and Execution, Iran Solidarity Spokesperson Maryam Namazie, and other campaigners. Millions took immediate action worldwide by sending letters of protest to the Islamic Republic of Iran and other governments calling for immediate action. A number of governments, including the French, Italian, Swedish, and US and the European Parliament and European Union responded at once and demanded that her execution be stopped. There were a number of demonstrations on 2 November, including in Berlin, Brussels, London, Paris, Rome and Washington, DC.

Once again, the Islamic Republic of Iran clearly saw the widespread global reaction to its decision to execute Ms Ashtiani and did not go ahead with her execution.


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