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1 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 7:24:37pm

This is very bad. The GOP's anti-science agenda is moving to the next level -- persecuting and criminalizing scientists.

2 SteelGHAZI  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 7:35:20pm

I weep for the human race. I really do.

3 freetoken  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 7:36:47pm

re:

4 freetoken  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 7:37:35pm

re: #1 Charles

They're just... concerned. That's it, concerned.

5 CarleeCork  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 8:42:52pm

I weep for my grandchildren. There's not a FUCKING thing I can do about any of this. There's no point in voting, the American people listen to lies 24/7 and the CONS have made sure that nothing can be done to stop it.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Good night and good luck.

6 Interesting Times  Wed, Nov 3, 2010 9:11:12pm

And meanwhile, China (where they take AGW science seriously) is rapidly cornering the market on green technologies. How depressing is it that the human race's future now rests on a ruthless communist dictatorship with an abysmal human rights record viewing its long-term best interests in a way that just happens to save us as well?

7 nines09  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:46:51am

That's moving forward alright. Loons in full voice coming up with a Grand Inquisition around the corner on all things not popular with them.

8 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 3:29:25pm

Consider everything that these gimps are saying and compare to Margaret Thatcher's UN address from the late eighties:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

AN EARLY ALARM

"While the conventional, political dangers - the threat of global annihilation, the fact of regional war - appear to be receding, we have all recently become aware of another insidious danger. It is as menacing in its way as those more accustomed perils with which international diplomacy has concerned itself for centuries. It is the prospect of irretrievable damage to the atmosphere, to the oceans, to earth itself.

What we are now doing to the world, by degrading the land surfaces, by polluting the waters and by adding greenhouse gases to the air at an unprecedented rate - all this is new in the experience of the earth. It is mankind and his activities that are changing the environment of our planet in damaging and dangerous ways.

The result is that change in future is likely to be more fundamental and more widespread than anything we have known hitherto. Change to the sea around us, change to the atmosphere above, leading in turn to change in the world's climate, which could alter the way we live in the most fundamental way of all. That prospect is a new factor in human affairs. It is comparable in its implications to the discovery of how to split the atom. Indeed, its results could be even more far-reaching.

The evidence is there. The damage is being done. What do we, the international community, do about it?

In some areas, the action required is primarily for individual nations or groups of nations to take. But the problem of global climate change is one that affects us all and action will only be effective if it is taken at the international level. It is no good squabbling over who is responsible or who should pay. We have to look forward not backward, and we shall only succeed in dealing with the problems through a vast international, co-operative effort.

The environmental challenge that confronts the whole world demands an equivalent response from the whole world. Every country will be affected and no one can opt out. Those countries who are industrialised must contribute more to help those who are not.

The work ahead will be long and exacting. We should embark on it hopeful of success, not fearful of failure. Darwin's voyages were among the high-points of scientific discovery. They were undertaken at a time when men and women felt growing confidence that we could not only understand the natural world but we could master it, too. Today, we have learned rather more humility and respect for the balance of nature. But another of the beliefs of Darwin's era should help to see us through - the belief in reason and the scientific method.

Reason is humanity's special gift. It allows us to understand the structure of the nucleus. It enables us to explore the heavens. It helps us to conquer disease. Now we must use our reason to find a way in which we can live with nature, and not dominate nature.

We need our reason to teach us today that we are not - that we must not try to be - the lords of all we survey.

9 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 3:31:00pm

The quotes didn't quote right:

While the conventional, political dangers - the threat of global annihilation, the fact of regional war - appear to be receding, we have all recently become aware of another insidious danger. It is as menacing in its way as those more accustomed perils with which international diplomacy has concerned itself for centuries. It is the prospect of irretrievable damage to the atmosphere, to the oceans, to earth itself.

What we are now doing to the world, by degrading the land surfaces, by polluting the waters and by adding greenhouse gases to the air at an unprecedented rate - all this is new in the experience of the earth. It is mankind and his activities that are changing the environment of our planet in damaging and dangerous ways.

The result is that change in future is likely to be more fundamental and more widespread than anything we have known hitherto. Change to the sea around us, change to the atmosphere above, leading in turn to change in the world's climate, which could alter the way we live in the most fundamental way of all. That prospect is a new factor in human affairs. It is comparable in its implications to the discovery of how to split the atom. Indeed, its results could be even more far-reaching.

The evidence is there. The damage is being done. What do we, the international community, do about it?

In some areas, the action required is primarily for individual nations or groups of nations to take. But the problem of global climate change is one that affects us all and action will only be effective if it is taken at the international level. It is no good squabbling over who is responsible or who should pay. We have to look forward not backward, and we shall only succeed in dealing with the problems through a vast international, co-operative effort.

The environmental challenge that confronts the whole world demands an equivalent response from the whole world. Every country will be affected and no one can opt out. Those countries who are industrialised must contribute more to help those who are not.

The work ahead will be long and exacting. We should embark on it hopeful of success, not fearful of failure. Darwin's voyages were among the high-points of scientific discovery. They were undertaken at a time when men and women felt growing confidence that we could not only understand the natural world but we could master it, too. Today, we have learned rather more humility and respect for the balance of nature. But another of the beliefs of Darwin's era should help to see us through - the belief in reason and the scientific method.

Reason is humanity's special gift. It allows us to understand the structure of the nucleus. It enables us to explore the heavens. It helps us to conquer disease. Now we must use our reason to find a way in which we can live with nature, and not dominate nature.

We need our reason to teach us today that we are not - that we must not try to be - the lords of all we survey.

- PM Thatcher addressing the UN, 8 November 1989.

10 dragonfire1981  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 3:31:36pm

re: #1 Charles

Hasn't it gotten there already? I recall a story on LGF about how a certain climate scientist (Michael Mann?) was being treated roughly by anti-AGW types.

11 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 3:32:13pm

re: #6 publicityStunted

And meanwhile, China (where they take AGW science seriously) is rapidly cornering the market on green technologies. How depressing is it that the human race's future now rests on a ruthless communist dictatorship with an abysmal human rights record viewing its long-term best interests in a way that just happens to save us as well?

Exactly. This is yet another case where many technologies developed in the US will be sold to us by foreigners because of government interventions and stupidity.

But wait aren't the GOP opposed to that sort of thing?

12 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 3:32:42pm

re: #10 dragonfire1981

Hasn't it gotten there already? I recall a story on LGF about how a certain climate scientist (Michael Mann?) was being treated roughly by anti-AGW types.

It is going to get much worse, our new congress has promised.

13 freetoken  Thu, Nov 4, 2010 6:22:34pm

re: #10 dragonfire1981

Hasn't it gotten there already? I recall a story on LGF about how a certain climate scientist (Michael Mann?) was being treated roughly by anti-AGW types.

That started a few years back, took a turn for the worse, then Mann and the science community fought back, then Barton got an academic at GMU to write up a bunch of propaganda to attack Mann, which now being evaluated by GMU for plagarism.

Indeed, if Hall goes forward he's going to uncover, to his chagrin, that the fraud was on Barton's part in attacking Mann. This will be egg on the face of the GOP House. This is why I suggested that Boehner and Cantor normally wouldn't go ahead with this, but they will not have much of a say in it given the seniority of Hall, Barton, and Sensenbrenner.

14 Kronocide  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 2:40:38pm

re: #1 Charles

This is very bad. The GOP's anti-science agenda is moving to the next level -- persecuting and criminalizing scientists.

Is Neo-McCarthyism too strong a term?


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