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1 Michael Orion Powell  Wed, Nov 10, 2010 7:08:35am
The plaintiffs, however, have spent much of their time in court arguing that Islam is not a religion.

Surely such rhetoric is loony even in Tennessee?

2 CuriousLurker  Wed, Nov 10, 2010 7:34:20am

re: #1 OrionXP

Surely such rhetoric is loony even in Tennessee?

Apparently not. Tennessee’s current Lt. Governor, Ron Ramsey, who was one of the Republicans running for governor (he lost the nomination), said basically the same thing when he was campaigning (CNN article; YouTube video below).

3 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 10, 2010 9:03:33am

And a strict following of the Bible leads you to enslave other people, stone women for being raped, kill people for disobeying the sabbath etc etc.

4 CuriousLurker  Wed, Nov 10, 2010 9:44:52am

Apparently, the Christian Zionists aren’t exactly well-loved by Christians in the Holy Land. I’m not sure what to make of the article though as I’m certain there is a long complicated back-story that I’m completely ignorant of:

Christian Zionists angry over slur (Jerusalem Post)

5 Michael McBacon  Wed, Nov 10, 2010 9:46:07am

Xtian Fundamentalists (including so-called Xtian “Zionists”) like to claim that Islam allows Muslim men beat their wives. But these same critics apparently think it’s okay to beat them for Jesus.

6 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Nov 10, 2010 10:59:24am

For the record, the definition of Zionism is:

Zionism is belief that Jews have the right to live in their own ancestral homeland in peace.

Fundie frootloops do not speak for me or any sane Jew.

7 CuriousLurker  Wed, Nov 10, 2010 11:19:37am

re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah, I know. It’s kinda like them appropriating the use of the word “family” in the names their organizations. I guess they their own special dictionary, just like they have their own wiki.

8 What, me worry?  Wed, Nov 10, 2010 11:58:29am

re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #7 CuriousLurker

I haven’t had time to read the article although it’s short, but I saw the picture. Isn’t that the same wacko woman that was “interviewed” on Jon Stewart? It was a really funny interview.

CL, that article you quoted from the Jpost probably explains it here:

The declaration lambasted Christian Zionism as a “false teaching” that “condemn[s] the world to the doom of Armageddon.” “It is with concern that we note the negative opinions about Christian Zionism voiced by certain church clerics in Jerusalem… using inflammatory language they have expressed views that are far from the truth,”

It was that Armageddon scenario that I was trying to get at the other night when we were talking about anti-Semitism in Christian texts. It made a lot of people cranky.

I had no idea that the Christian groups in Israel feel this way about American Evangelists. That actually makes me feel pretty good! I don’t believe I’ve ever spoken to a Christian Israeli even when I was there.

9 CuriousLurker  Wed, Nov 10, 2010 1:04:43pm

re: #8 marjoriemoon

I haven’t had time to read the article although it’s short, but I saw the picture. Isn’t that the same wacko woman that was “interviewed” on Jon Stewart? It was a really funny interview.

The woman’s name sounded familiar—maybe I saw her on Jon Stewart. There’s been so much bad crazy over the past two years that I lose track of all the nutjobs.

It was that Armageddon scenario that I was trying to get at the other night when we were talking about anti-Semitism in Christian texts. It made a lot of people cranky.

Lizards cranky? Get out! //

I must’ve missed that thread.

I’m somewhat familiar with whole Second Coming/Armageddon thing as it relates to their pro-Zionist stance. IIRC, they want you guys there to fulfill scripture/prophecy for when the end times come, at which point only the Jews who convert to Christianity will be saved, and those who don’t will burn in hell for eternity with the rest of us infidels.

I had no idea that the Christian groups in Israel feel this way about American Evangelists. That actually makes me feel pretty good! I don’t believe I’ve ever spoken to a Christian Israeli even when I was there.

I had no idea either. Funny how we find these things out, huh? ;o)

I’ve had Egyptian Coptic Christians here in the U.S. tell me that they’re totally weirded out by Evangelicals as well. Most were convinced that if I’d been exposed to real Christianity (theirs), then I would never have become Muslim.


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