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1 jaunte  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 8:50:20am
Groups are labeled hate groups by the SPLC -- which made a name for itself by using civil lawsuits to severely weaken the KKK and other white supremacist groups -- when they "have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics," according to the group's website.


The FRC's statement in defense doesn't even attempt to answer this.

2 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 9:47:13am

It's not slanderous if it's true.

3 Lidane  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:15:07am

re: #1 jaunte

The FRC's statement in defense doesn't even attempt to answer this.

Because that would involve admitting that homosexuality is immutable and not a choice. That would completely undercut the FRC's message about gays.

4 theheat  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:53:48pm

The FRC has, for years, been the echo chamber of haters dressed in their Sunday best. If anyone bothers to read them, the FRC's bastard child Value Voters Summit talking points look like they were co-drafted by the freakin' Taliban; that's how off the charts they are.

Repressive, paranoid, pious, hateful, backwards, hysterical, dishonest - anti everything - I'd say they easily qualify as a hate group. Frankly, I'm more surprised they've slid by without having made the SPLC's top 10 before now.

What should be of even more concern, is the fact the GOP panders to the Family Research Council, and consistently makes a huge showing at the Value Voters Summit. By association, what do you call a political group that patronizes a hate group? In this case, Republicans.

5 RadicalModerate  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:01:11pm

Out of all the people to speak up against the SPLC's branding of the FRC as a hate group, Tony Perkins is the last who should open his mouth, given his history with white supremacist groups and general support for violence.

A quick refresher:

1. Used David Duke's mailing list for running political campaign, then attempted to cover up association to Federal Election Commission.
2. Spoke *multiple* times to the Council of Conservative Citizens (racist organization formerly known as White Citizens Council)
3. In 2009, advocated that felony violence against gay people should be a protected form of expression if it is committed by pastors.

6 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 3:09:36pm

re: #5 RadicalModerate

Out of all the people to speak up against the SPLC's branding of the FRC as a hate group, Tony Perkins is the last who should open his mouth, given his history with white supremacist groups and general support for violence.

A quick refresher:

1. Used David Duke's mailing list for running political campaign, then attempted to cover up association to Federal Election Commission.
2. Spoke *multiple* times to the Council of Conservative Citizens (racist organization formerly known as White Citizens Council)
3. In 2009, advocated that felony violence against gay people should be a protected form of expression if it is committed by pastors.

Link?

7 Kronocide  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 5:57:43pm

They slander gays all the time. The SPLC is not invested in slander though.

8 Michael Orion Powell  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 6:59:17pm

re: #1 jaunte

They talk about "severely weakening the KKK" like it's a bad thing. I'm sure it is to them.

If conservative groups don't want the hate label slammed on them, it's really easy to avoid. Don't preach hate.

9 Michael Orion Powell  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 7:05:57pm

It's a sad day in America when we can not, with integrity, have a legitimate discussion over policy issues that are being considered by Congress, legislatures, and the courts without resorting to juvenile tactics of name calling.

They should tell that to the Arkansas School Board member who used "fag" and "queer" liberally and publicly.

10 Steve Dutch  Sat, Nov 27, 2010 7:41:51pm
It's a sad day in America when we can not, with integrity, have a legitimate discussion over policy issues that are being considered by Congress, legislatures, and the courts without resorting to juvenile tactics of name calling.

Hey, I'm always up for some of that. So, FRC, tell me what you'd accept as evidence that homosexuality is moral. And the test has to be, as Karl Popper put it, "risky," that is, some test that is possible and feasible. In other words, you have to be willing to put your beliefs on the line. Let the games begin.

(So far my attempts in the other direction, to get gay rights supporters to prove their assertions, have been pretty futile. Lots of invective and rhetoric, not a heck of a lot of logic.)


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