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1 jaunte  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 8:13:00am

Texas is one state that actually excludes atheists from holding office:

Texas, Article 1, Section 4:
No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.


Others here: [Link: friendlyatheist.com...]

2 Henchman 25  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 8:13:55am

Welcome to Texastan! *spit*

3 nines09  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 8:21:50am

I said it before and I'll say it again. The GOP (and not just these jackals in TX) are one armband away from the 30's. It's seeping out and soon the stain will be too large to ignore. Statements like THIS and the above article are all you should need to hear; If you can hear it over the roar of denunciation from the GOP. Right... Not only is this anti-American, it's Anti-Civilization.

4 philosophus invidius  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 8:42:31am

Just the logical conclusion of what "respectable" national GOP pols are saying.

5 sffilk  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 8:45:39am

re: #1 jaunte

Texas is one state that actually excludes atheists from holding office:


Others here: [Link: friendlyatheist.com...]

(knocks head on table) I'm surprised this hasn't been amended to include all non-Christians as well...............

6 Michael Orion Powell  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 9:08:23am

If you go through conservative America, you'll hear "that's Jewish" relayed in the same manner as "that's gay" or "that sucks." Anti-semitism was an explosive, defining characteristic among American conservatives until it got effectively silenced a few decades ago. Just about every single anti-black demagogue was sick to their core with Jew hatred as well. Now that the former is coming out of the woodwork, why not let the latter out as well?

7 bratwurst  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 9:12:33am

Gee, who could have guessed that the whole Judeo-Christian thing was a convenient myth?

8 sffilk  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 9:17:20am

re: #7 bratwurst

Gee, who could have guessed that the whole Judeo-Christian thing was a convenient myth?

I don't think Sarah Palin would; after all she used it at the school in Pennsylvania when she talked about cookies and "nanny state."

9 sffilk  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 9:44:47am

re: #6 OrionXP

If you go through conservative America, you'll hear "that's Jewish" relayed in the same manner as "that's gay" or "that sucks." Anti-semitism was an explosive, defining characteristic among American conservatives until it got effectively silenced a few decades ago. Just about every single anti-black demagogue was sick to their core with Jew hatred as well. Now that the former is coming out of the woodwork, why not let the latter out as well?

Funny thing is the only time I'd heard anything similar is when a former commanding officer at an air squadron talked about "Jewing down" some requirement from the Chief of Naval Air Training. This was in Mississippi: he was from El Paso. This was 1981.

10 Lidane  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 10:02:22am

Gee...I wonder why Republicans have a hard time attracting the Jewish vote. I can't imagine what the problem is.

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11 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 10:07:08am

Buck, if you are reading this. Just a few days ago you wondered why most Jews don't vote for conservatives. Comment.

12 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 10:30:49am

This is really pathetic to say the least.

13 What, me worry?  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 10:39:37am

A little history of the Jews in Texas.

There was Rabbi Henry Cohen, a true maverick if there ever was one. Born in London 1863, he came to Galveston in 1888 and served as the local rabbi for 64 years. Woodrow Wilson dubbed him "The First Citizen of Texas." Rabbi Cohen was instrumental in rebuilding the city after the devastating hurricane in 1900 that took 6,000 lives.

More concerned with individuals than ivory-tower causes, this rabbi succeeded at both. He pressed for admission of an African American student to the local medical school. He administered Christian funeral rites to a whore. He extended a handshake to 10,000 unscrubbed Jewish refugees who disembarked in Galveston during the years before the first World War. A people’s lobbyist, he convinced the Texas Legislature to raise the age of consent in rape cases from ten to eighteen, and during three decades on the state prison board he instituted vocational training, parole reforms, and separation of first offenders from seasoned criminals. Although he came of age in an era of oratory and elocution, his sermons were short and direct. Henry Cohen’s entire life was a homily that blended humanitarianism and individualism, the ethics of Judaism with the ethos of Texas.

There was The Sanger Family, who built a wholesale and retail business.

Ruth Brown Kahn (1902–1987) was a humanitarian who served on the USO, founded the Women's Symphony League and was president emeritus of the Dallas Ballet Theater. Ms. Kahn received many accolades for her selfless work.

The Texas State Historical Association lists many more Jews and their contributions to the wild west.

And my dear friend, Ice, my favorite Jewish Texan is Kinky Friedman. He has a comment about these other "Christian" folk. Kinky says,

"Wash your hands and say your prayers cause germs and Jesus are everywhere."

14 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 10:43:23am

Sigh. My capacity for being surprised and shocked is diminishing rapidly.

15 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 11:47:32am

re: #11 Sergey Romanov

Buck, if you are reading this. Just a few days ago you wondered why most Jews don't vote for conservatives. Comment.

Actually, I just stumbled upon this at C-SPAN:

Norman Podhoretz: Why Are Jews Liberals? @ Harvard Club of New York City, Sep 10, 2009 and Miami Book Fair International, Nov 15, 2009.

16 dhays2000  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:20:10pm

I am a Texan that does not appreciate my state being referred to as Texistan. I know we have our fair share of nut jobs and wingnuts, so when they start talking about putting Christ back into school or government. I tell them "If you want a theocracy move to Iran." or when they talk about having a non-christian in high office
I just say "You do know Jesus was a Jew don't you?" They hate that.
Not all Texans are not all christian conservatives.

17 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 1:33:12pm

re: #3 nines09

re: #4 philosophus invidius

re: #6 OrionXP

These things always turn on us sooner or later. It was inevitable.

Two years ago I was fought left and right about global warming. One year ago, I was fought left and right about the obvious endpoints of a movement that has latched onto a Nazi message.

Much like global warming, the first step to fighting it, is being real with what it is.

18 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 2:11:00pm

re: #16 dhays2000

I am a Texan that does not appreciate my state being referred to as Texistan. I know we have our fair share of nut jobs and wingnuts, so when they start talking about putting Christ back into school or government. I tell them "If you want a theocracy move to Iran." or when they talk about having a non-christian in high office
I just say "You do know Jesus was a Jew don't you?" They hate that.
Not all Texans are not all christian conservatives.

So either you take back your state, or the civilized ones like you get airlifted out to someplace civilized.

As it stands now there seem to be very very few Texans running the place that aren't fit for an asylum and they have all too many drooling supporters.

19 lostlakehiker  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 2:17:32pm

Has Straus lost his bid for speaker? Or is this the opinion of some, but not a majority, of Republican State Representatives in Texas?

As far as I can tell, Straus may well wind up being Speaker, despite these guy's objections.

If that's what happens in the end, then it won't be accurate to say that "Texas Republicans don't want---". Only that the more extreme among them feel that way, but that they're too few to just have it their way.

It's sobering how badly Lieberman did in the Democratic contest for the presidential nomination the one time he made a bid for it. He was one of the best. His record was strong. He did better in the VP debates than the top his ticket did debating Bush. What's not to like? Plenty, if you're waay liberal, but that doesn't describe 99% of Democrats. Where did Lieberman's votes go?

And why?

20 nines09  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 2:17:41pm

re: #16 dhays2000
Ask them which Christ they would like in school. Yours,or others.......like.....Papal Catholicism. Or.....(fill in blank) Watch the wheels spin.

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 2:19:44pm

re: #19 lostlakehiker

"And why?"

Do you really want to discuss "because he was Jewish" hypothesis?

22 lostlakehiker  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 2:19:48pm

re: #18 LudwigVanQuixote

So either you take back your state, or the civilized ones like you get airlifted out to someplace civilized.

As it stands now there seem to be very very few Texans running the place that aren't fit for an asylum and they have all too many drooling supporters.

I'm betting that Straus wins. I don't think there are enough of the IWANNACHRISTIAN types to give him the boot. Especially now that the reason for doing so is so nakedly out in the open.

23 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 2:20:39pm

re: #21 Sergey Romanov

(_is_ Jewish, my bad)

24 lostlakehiker  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 2:21:41pm

re: #21 Sergey Romanov

"And why?"

Do you really want to discuss "because he was Jewish" hypothesis?

It's a hypothesis that fits a lot of the data. You have another reason? And while we're at it, why did Romney do so badly on the Republican side? The same reasoning leads me to guess that maybe it was because he is Mormon, and to Republican evangelicals, that doesn't count as pure Christian.

You have a better reason why Romney got nowhere?

25 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 2:22:39pm

re: #24 lostlakehiker

Then start listing the data, with sources.

26 nines09  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 2:23:24pm

re: #19 lostlakehiker
So if every other GOP voice does not say anything and he retains the post, all is well?

27 philosophus invidius  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 3:56:30pm

re: #19 lostlakehiker

You make a good point that these voices may not win the day, that Straus may end up being speaker. But the main point is that his having the wrong religion is considered an acceptable point for discussion.

That is why your analogy with Lieberman's failed candidacy is very weak. For one thing, I don't know of any evidence that Lieberman was a dynamic, charismatic candidate whose defeat had no explanation other than that he was Jewish. But, more to the point: even if some level of conscious or unconscious bias against Jews hurt Lieberman (as I'm sure it did to some extent), no one in the Democratic establishment suggested that his being Jewish was somehow less than fully in line with the party platform.

28 Lidane  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 4:57:01pm

re: #19 lostlakehiker

As far as I can tell, Straus may well wind up being Speaker, despite these guy's objections.

Not. The. Point.

The fact is, the ONLY reason these douchebags object to him being speaker is because he's Jewish. That's a problem, and it's one that doesn't belong in any political party in 2010. Unfortunately, there are plenty of idiots here in Texas that agree with this garbage.

Where did Lieberman's votes go?

Concerned poster is concerned. I guess you missed the part where Gore made Lieberman his VP nominee?

Lieberman might not have done well in the primaries because for all his party line votes, he's a dull and uninspiring speaker. He's boring.

29 Lidane  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 4:58:32pm

re: #24 lostlakehiker

You have a better reason why Romney got nowhere?

Being Mormon killed Romney in the South because yes, Evangelicals consider Mormons to be barely a half-step above Satanists.

Beyond that, I'd say that Romneycare and his various flip-flops over the years will do more to kill his chances in 2012 than his religious faith.

30 Jimmah  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 5:50:21pm

re: #16 dhays2000

I am a Texan that does not appreciate my state being referred to as Texistan.

Your problem should be with the wingnuts in Texas that assured that reputation - not with those who happen to mention it in their comments.

31 Henchman 25  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 6:05:09pm

re: #16 dhays2000

Rest assured, I don't enjoy calling it as such anymore than anybody else here does.

I have no issues with Texas itself, but rather what the wingnuts are trying hard(and so far, succeeding) to turn it into.

32 SpaceJesus  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 9:04:22pm

I worry about any Jews or Catholics who are taken in by the rhetoric of the modern conservatives which includes terms like "Christian Coalition" or "Judeo-Christian Heritage." The people who made these terms up are evangelicals, who don't like --and never have liked-- Jews or Catholics, but who know they need us in order to hang on to power.

33 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 9:55:43pm

re: #32 SpaceJesus

I worry about any Jews or Catholics who are taken in by the rhetoric of the modern conservatives which includes terms like "Christian Coalition" or "Judeo-Christian Heritage." The people who made these terms up are evangelicals, who don't like --and never have liked-- Jews or Catholics, but who know they need us in order to hang on to power.

That's always been a concern of mine too SJ. Thsee are the the ideological descendants of the same people who said Al Smith and JFK were basically ineligible to be president because of their Catholicism. And said Catholic immigrants would be more loyal to Rome than the US, I guess that's why it bothers me to see Catholics adapting rhetoric like "seperation of church and state is bad." It was that very doctrine that appealed to so many of our ancestors. It's why I have little doubt that was appealing to my own.

34 lostlakehiker  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 10:20:38pm

re: #26 nines09

So if every other GOP voice does not say anything and he retains the post, all is well?

All is not as bad as it would be if Straus lost his post. Having some blowhard insist on a "Christian" is bad enough. Having him get his way would be another story altogether.

I put "Christian" in quotes because I deem it a bad fit for the tenets of Christianity to accept a post the other guy was ousted from on grounds of being the `wrong religion.'

35 Flavia  Sun, Dec 5, 2010 10:56:49pm

The actual prejudice aside, it's the stupidity that leaves me the most flabbergasted. OT1H, they say they want a Xian - but OTOH, & in the same breath, deny that the only reason they don't want him is because he's Jewish. "I'm not a bigot, but I don't want a Jew in office." They aren't saying anything but that, and yet utterly refuse that they're saying it! I really cannot wrap my head around that...

(Yeah, I guess it's sad that I'm not in the least surprised, much less astonished, about the bigotry itself...)

36 SpaceJesus  Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:23:05am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Indeed. Mormons confuse me the most. Why they are such staunch supporters of a party dominated by evangelicals who don't think they are real Christians is beyond me.

37 dragonfire1981  Mon, Dec 6, 2010 8:03:37am

"I got into politics to put Christian conservatives into office. They're the people that do the best jobs over all."

I really must take issue with this statement. I've seen a lot of politicians come and go and there's NOTHING in my experience that makes a Christian politician any less fallible or susceptible to corruption or unethical acts than a non Christian. I'd like to know where this guy gets his facts from, because history tells a different story.


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