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1 jaunte  Sat, Dec 11, 2010 9:39:21am

And a link might be nice:
[Link: www.maplecroft.com...]
More coffee for me...

2 laZardo  Sat, Dec 11, 2010 10:02:57am
The human rights situation is worsening worldwide and especially in the important emerging economies of Pakistan, China, Russia, Colombia, Bangladesh, Nigeria, India, Philippines and Mexico.

Wait, we're an important emerging economy now?

But seriously, our labor rights (alone) are either shit or non-existent. The only people pushing them are the populist-Marxists who seem to be permanently stuck in the 1960s.

3 jaunte  Sat, Dec 11, 2010 10:12:33am

re: #2 laZardo

I had to look up the number, but it some things do seem out of balance:

The economy of the Philippines is the 4th largest economy in South East Asia and the 35th largest economy in the world by purchasing power parity according to the World Bank in 2009.

Population below poverty line: 32.9% (2006 est.)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

4 laZardo  Sat, Dec 11, 2010 10:37:14am

re: #3 jaunte

Yeah. Our local oligarchy is extremely feudalistic. In some places they're more "sophisticated," i.e. they wear suits and deal with their serfs from the boardroom.

Down (in our) South though, they just kill 'em all.

5 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Dec 11, 2010 1:01:40pm

Shrugs. Not surprising to me. Capitalism and democracy aren't very good friends.

It's not surprising though. In a democracy everybody gets at least some say, and when businesses engage in unethical or destructive practices the citizenry have the power to make them stop.

In an authoritarian system the people do what they're told even is the order is "Suffer and die."

As my favorite writer puts it, "Capitalism was reasonably content under Hitler, happy under Mussolini, very happy under Franco and delirious under General Pinochet."

Not that, as our success in the West shows, that capitalism and democracy are enemies. But the best they can have is a good working relationship. Capitalism and democracy aren't very good friends.

6 Gus  Sat, Dec 11, 2010 1:10:13pm

Nothing here proves that there is a correlation between a growing economy and the deterioration of human rights. The human experience has shown quite the opposite. If you look at countries like Russia and China while they're certainly not on the cusp of human rights the situations in those countries have gotten much better. Consider the case of the former Soviet Union. Which do you think had a better human rights record? The former Soviet Union or modern Russia?

The other countries mentioned have never had a good human rights record: Pakistan, Colombia, Bangladesh, Nigeria, India, Philippines and Mexico. In my estimation this isn't a matter of capitalism or economies but a case of a pre-existing case of a culturally inculcated disregard for human rights. It is in their nature and Saudi Arabia, for example, would have been shitting on human rights with or without their oil riches.


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