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freetoken  Dec 22, 2010 • 2:18:50pm

From the link:

But where all of this gets really interesting, says Blume, an evolutionary theorist and religion researcher at the University of Heidelberg, is where the illusion of intelligent design intersects with a reproductive imperative—essentially the commonplace idea that God “wants” or “intends” or “demands” us, as faithful members of our communities, to have a litter of similarly believing children. You’ve been blessed with your pleasure-giving loins for a reason, so the unspoken logic goes, and that’s to get married to the opposite sex and to breed. By God, just look at the Old Testament. “Be fruitful and multiply” is the very first of 661 direct commandments. God doesn’t seem to be merely making a suggestion here but instead issuing a no-nonsense order.

Blume has found that those religions that actually put this issue front and center in their teachings are—for rather obvious reasons—at a selective group advantage over those that fail to endorse this stern commandment. […]

This is why I’ve suspected that the creationists will “win”. They will simply out reproduce the modernists.

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wrenchwench  Dec 22, 2010 • 3:04:33pm

Fascinating. I suppose I’ll have to read more of Blume’s work to find out whether I can go along with this:

Since religiosity is to some degree a heritable trait, offspring born to religious parents are not only dyed in the wool of their faith through their culture, but Blume believes that they may also be genetically more susceptible to indoctrination than children born to nonreligious parents.

Right now I’m thinkin’, “No.”

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Bob Levin  Dec 22, 2010 • 3:28:57pm

re: #1 freetoken

The way through this is an insistence, gently—like Keep America Beautiful, on emphasizing literary skill, being able to read a text, and knowing how to understand it.

Take Bering, the author of the piece, for instance. How persuasive can he be when talking to someone who is religious if he thinks there are 661 commandments? There are 613, or if you are more knowledgeable, about 620. As soon as he says ‘661’, the conversation is over.

You’ve got a point, that creationists will ‘win’ through reproduction. That’s what the article is about.

Even now, discussions between religious folks and non-religious folks are entirely predictable. That’s why Hitchens can go anywhere and debate anyone with great confidence he will win—the points are completely predictable. And Hitchens is no less literal in his biblical interpretation than the fundamentalists.

The conversation does not have to follow the template. There are plenty of religious people who would absolutely love to find the cures for the diseases that plague civilization. They would love to find the scientific links that could change our energy infrastructure. Once you break through the idea that religiosity is a monolithic belief system, once you can see the subtle shades of differences among believers, then conversations can happen, rather than having two people reciting their talking points at each other.


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