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1 freetoken  Tue, Dec 28, 2010 6:08:01pm

Unfortunately for Mr. Simmons, he died too early. He was no nihilist, but a father and grandfather of many. He also was a strong supporter of Mitt Romney and was definitely not one of the Tea Partying right of the GOP.

I think your description of him is too harsh, which is why I down dinged.

2 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:19:38pm

re: #1 freetoken

I consider Malthusian Nihilist to be accurate enough, as does the article linked. What's your quibble with the description since he's a self described peak oil pundit? Peak oilers have been shown to be kooks for the average ones, and oil industry shills and speculators for the worst. Which do you think this guy was?

3 celticdragon  Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:03:37am

Peak oil in terms of actual production is a given in geology. Sorry, but the concept is accepted science. The economics (ie...price factor) are something else altogether. Oil is a finite resource, so there definitially must be a peak for worldwide production.

M. King Hubbert created and first used the models behind peak oil in 1956 to accurately predict that United States oil production would peak between 1965 and 1970.[1] His logistic model, now called Hubbert peak theory, and its variants have described with reasonable accuracy the peak and decline of production from oil wells, fields, regions, and countries,[2] and has also proved useful in other limited-resource production-domains. According to the Hubbert model, the production rate of a limited resource will follow a roughly symmetrical logistic distribution curve (sometimes incorrectly compared to a bell-shaped curve) based on the limits of exploitability and market pressures.

...Optimistic estimations of peak production forecast the global decline will begin by 2020 or later, and assume major investments in alternatives will occur before a crisis, without requiring major changes in the lifestyle of heavily oil-consuming nations. These models show the price of oil at first escalating and then retreating as other types of fuel and energy sources are used.[3] Pessimistic predictions of future oil production operate on the thesis that either the peak has already occurred,[4][5][6][7] that oil production is on the cusp of the peak, or that it will occur shortly.[8][9] The International Energy Agency (IEA) says production of conventional crude oil peaked in 2006.[10][11] As proactive mitigation may no longer be an option, a global depression is predicted, perhaps even initiating a chain reaction of the various feedback mechanisms in the global market that might stimulate a collapse of global industrial civilization, potentially leading to large population declines within a short period. Throughout the first two quarters of 2008, there were signs that a global recession was being made worse by a series of record oil prices.[12]

(emphasis mine)

I cannot speak to the economic models, but Hubbert was a petroleum geologist and his modeling of peak production was both accurate and groundbreaking. Whether we will manage to find and allocate other energy sources remains to be seen.

4 Steve Dutch  Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:15:26am

Why drill for oil at all? Just fill your tank and drive forever. When the gauge reads "E," just look around in your tank and find more.

Well, you seem to think you can do it with the earth. Just scale the process down.

5 palomino  Wed, Dec 29, 2010 11:25:04am

re: #1 freetoken

Unfortunately for Mr. Simmons, he died too early. He was no nihilist, but a father and grandfather of many. He also was a strong supporter of Mitt Romney and was definitely not one of the Tea Partying right of the GOP.

I think your description of him is too harsh, which is why I down dinged.

The old Romney didn't deserve to be lumped in with the tea partiers.

Unfortunately Romney 2.0 will say and do anything for the GOP nod, including kissing up to the TP and changing his positions of just 5 years ago on abortion, gay rights, gun control, and even his own healthcare plan. If Kerry was "for it before he was against it," then Romney was for virtually everything before he was against it.


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