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1 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:41:21am

Neo-nazis are swarming at my blog, vainly attempting to "show me" that what the Metropolite spews is really true.

2 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:46:45am

re: #1 Alouette

Neo-nazis are swarming at my blog, vainly attempting to "show me" that what the Metropolite spews is really true.

I hate internet Nazis! Smack 'em down, Alouette.

3 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:50:14am

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

I hate internet Nazis! Smack 'em down, Alouette.

There will be spankings and then bannings.

4 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:47:21am

"Hitler, and in effect, the Holocaust was the instrument of Zionism? Holy shit dude. I don't think even Glenn Beck would try to get away with pimping a bullshit conspiracy theory like that."

It's pretty standard, classic stuff. May be of Soviet origin. At least that's what the (banned) Soviet antisemitic film "The Covert and The Overt" preached, and that was more or less the idea behind Mahmoud Abbas' thesis.

5 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Dec 29, 2010 11:24:48am

Good Lord! The ability of bad ideas to have such staying power is mind boggling! No matter what happens in the world, if you already hate somebody or a group of somebodies, you will blame them for it.

I'm so tired of this. Can't people get more creative with their hate? Surely we can blame Eskimos for some of what's wrong in the world.

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6 lostlakehiker  Wed, Dec 29, 2010 2:31:25pm

International banking, and systems of extending credit generally, can work to the detriment of people who don't understand the power of compound interest.

The Eskimos understand this. And so they have secretly insinuated themselves into the counsels of the Japanese Yakuza, who run the Jews from behind the scenes. It's all a plot to get the world so desperately hooked on fossil fuels that global warming melts the tundra and makes Eskimo land the only remaining habitable region.

And then they'll make a killing on real estate. Such diabolical indirect perfidy, it's literally unbelievable.

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7 Alexzander  Wed, Dec 29, 2010 3:59:48pm

re: #6 lostlakehiker

Standing Ovation

8 Michael Orion Powell  Wed, Dec 29, 2010 4:02:27pm

The comments by the bishop actually make perfect sense in the twisted world of anti-Semitic financial conspiracies. The Right has been touting Greece as an example of the fiscal disorder the United States is in store for. The comments of Piraeus Seraphim just show that Greece has its own sorts on the same wavelength as Alex Jones and Glenn Beck.

9 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:56:17pm

re: #4 Sergey Romanov

It's pretty standard, classic stuff.

Wow, really? I know you have a good rep for battling holocaust deniers, so I am not surprised you know this. It's just that this is the first time I have ever heard someone try to blame Zionism/Jews for the Third Reich. My jaw was on the floor.

10 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 30, 2010 4:04:15am

re: #9 Slumbering Behemoth

Wow, really? I know you have a good rep for battling holocaust deniers, so I am not surprised you know this. It's just that this is the first time I have ever heard someone try to blame Zionism/Jews for the Third Reich. My jaw was on the floor.

Sooner or later I will write a review of that film, it's very interesting how all the same memes appear years later in different cultures (even though the film itself was so antisemitic it never saw the light of the day in the USSR).

The "Jews are responsible for Hitler" is just an extreme version of the "Zionist-Nazi collaboration" thesis, which goes like this: evil rich Zionists (ahem) want a state of their own and want only the "best" people there, so they enter into an agreement with the Nazis and influence them in other ways (sponsor them, in the more lurid versions) so that the richer and younger Jews are sent to the Palestine; they also turn the blind eye to the fate of the rest (or even support their demise, again, in the more lurid versions), then using their fate for political leverage. Some of the "juicier" details appear in the most extreme versions, e.g. hints that Eichmann might have been Jewish. Usually the stories mention the Haavara agreement and Rudolf Kasztner's deal with Eichmann, both usually stripped of all context.

11 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 30, 2010 4:47:19am

re: #10 Sergey Romanov

Sooner or later I will write a review of that film, it's very interesting how all the same memes appear years later in different cultures (even though the film itself was so antisemitic it never saw the light of the day in the USSR).

The "Jews are responsible for Hitler" is just an extreme version of the "Zionist-Nazi collaboration" thesis, which goes like this: evil rich Zionists (ahem) want a state of their own and want only the "best" people there, so they enter into an agreement with the Nazis and influence them in other ways (sponsor them, in the more lurid versions) so that the richer and younger Jews are sent to the Palestine; they also turn the blind eye to the fate of the rest (or even support their demise, again, in the more lurid versions), then using their fate for political leverage. Some of the "juicier" details appear in the most extreme versions, e.g. hints that Eichmann might have been Jewish. Usually the stories mention the Haavara agreement and Rudolf Kasztner's deal with Eichmann, both usually stripped of all context.

Yes, over at my blog some freaking moron tried to get me to read the spew of somebody named "Benjamin H. Freedman" and all would become clear.

I Googled the name of this individual and all did become clear. The nazis and Holocaust deniers give great credence to people who are considered batshit whackjobs by the majority of normal humanity.

12 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 30, 2010 4:47:55am

re: #10 Sergey Romanov

I ran across an even weirder conspiracy awhile ago, which is that Hitler was being supported by the Sephardim, who wanted to regain the 'power' they'd had before the Inquisition-- oh, and the Inquisition turns out to have been a plot by the Ashkenazi to destroy the Sephardim.

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 30, 2010 4:49:24am

re: #11 Alouette

Yes, over at my blog some freaking moron tried to get me to read the spew of somebody named "Benjamin H. Freedman" and all would become clear.

I Googled the name of this individual and all did become clear. The nazis and Holocaust deniers give great credence to people who are considered batshit whackjobs by the majority of normal humanity.

Oh, 'Ben Freedman', yeah. Old chest-nut. Originator of the "World Almanac" HD argument, if memory serves...

14 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 30, 2010 4:51:19am

re: #11 Alouette

It was pretty 'funny' to see someone recommending a book called "The Biological Jew" to you. I think that moron was so stupid he didn't actually realize you were Jewish.

You know, in all the times anyone has said some book or another would 'open my eyes', it's never been true.

15 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 30, 2010 4:51:38am

re: #12 Obdicut

I ran across an even weirder conspiracy awhile ago, which is that Hitler was being supported by the Sephardim, who wanted to regain the 'power' they'd had before the Inquisition-- oh, and the Inquisition turns out to have been a plot by the Ashkenazi to destroy the Sephardim.

There are fringe fringe CTs and popular fringe CTs. I would say that this CT is fringe fringe, on par with Ickeism or with the theory that the USSR did not actually fall apart but it is all a very intricate KGB plot. On the other hand, the one about Zionists-behind-the-Nazis is accepted by all too many folks...

16 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 30, 2010 4:56:26am

re: #15 Sergey Romanov

I agree it's quite fringe. The common quality it shares is the belief that Jews are the master manipulators behind world events, vastly powerful and able to manipulate the fate of nations at a whim. And of being somehow different from most of humanity, lacking in empathy or sympathy-- even for their fellow Jews.

It's funny how often racism has this tinge of fear to it; not just the belief that the other race is somehow inferior-- in this case, believing that Jews are morally inferior-- but also believing they're hugely superior-- that Jews, or some Jews, are brilliant enough to mastermind a world-spanning, history-altering conspiracy over the course of centuries.

17 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 30, 2010 5:03:54am

re: #11 Alouette

This is Eustace Mullins, who wrote "The Biological Jew".

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

A McCarthyite, who believed the Holocaust was a cover story for the massacre of Christians (what?) and a freak who thought the polio vaccine was poison. An unending volcano of antisemitic garbage.

It looks like Benjamin Freeman was a Jew who converted to Roman Catholicism and then may have endorsed the Khazar conspiracy.

Such madness.

18 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 30, 2010 5:12:06am

Indeed, "the Jews" are usually the reflection of a "fear" or an fashionable-at-the-moment enemy. My favorite examples are the authors who in the Soviet era were "anti-Zionists" who would blame "Zionists" e.g. for an assassination attempt on Lenin (Fanny Kaplan). Once Communism ceased to be fashionable, some of them would go on to write about "Judeo-Bolsheviks" headed by "Jew Lenin" (not exactly with these details, but the template is the same).

19 sliv_the_eli  Thu, Dec 30, 2010 8:43:55am

The anti-Semitic tripe spewed by the Metropolite of Piraeus is also nothing new in the Greek Orthodox Church. Something to think about the next time the media hypes some anti-Israel statement by certain "Christian leaders".

20 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 30, 2010 9:00:45am

re: #19 sliv_the_eli

And when people claim that the Muslims alone are the source of anti-Israel and anti-Jewish sentiment.

21 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 30, 2010 9:46:46am

re: #14 Obdicut

It was pretty 'funny' to see someone recommending a book called "The Biological Jew" to you. I think that moron was so stupid he didn't actually realize you were Jewish.

You know, in all the times anyone has said some book or another would 'open my eyes', it's never been true.

I'm just waiting to ask "what is so special about 'Benjamin H. Freedman' (and all of these other 'experts') that I should believe whatever he said?"

The answer to "Because he was a Joo!" is "well, I'm also a Joo, and I say that 'Benjamin H. Freedman' is full of dreck!"

22 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 30, 2010 9:54:08am

re: #10 Sergey Romanov

Sooner or later I will write a review of that film, it's very interesting how all the same memes appear years later in different cultures (even though the film itself was so antisemitic it never saw the light of the day in the USSR).

The "Jews are responsible for Hitler" is just an extreme version of the "Zionist-Nazi collaboration" thesis, which goes like this: evil rich Zionists (ahem) want a state of their own and want only the "best" people there, so they enter into an agreement with the Nazis and influence them in other ways (sponsor them, in the more lurid versions) so that the richer and younger Jews are sent to the Palestine; they also turn the blind eye to the fate of the rest (or even support their demise, again, in the more lurid versions), then using their fate for political leverage. Some of the "juicier" details appear in the most extreme versions, e.g. hints that Eichmann might have been Jewish. Usually the stories mention the Haavara agreement and Rudolf Kasztner's deal with Eichmann, both usually stripped of all context.

I actually heard that bullshit years ago in Israel, from some shmuck who belonged to (what else) Neturei Karta.

23 sliv_the_eli  Thu, Dec 30, 2010 10:03:52am

re: #20 Obdicut

If truth be told, much of the anti-Jew propaganda disseminated in the Arab world today was introduced into the Arab world during the Nazi and Soviet eras by European persecutors of Jews. Of course, they found a more-than-receptive audience in the Arab and Muslim community, but anti-Israel and anti-Jewish sentiment have never been exclusive to Muslims. (Hell, Israel's left-leaning newspapers, such as Ha'aretz, are among the world's leading purveyors of anti-Israeli sentiment).


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