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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 6:57:17am

AmRen is in no way anti-ZOG, they take pains not to attack Jews, which doesn't change the fact of practical antisemitism, of course. We've discussed this in detail in several recent frontpage threads.

The memo itself is here:

[Link: theothermccain.com...]

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 6:59:56am

Laughner being pro-life also seems questionable now:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

3 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 8:58:08am

If one of the events that points to Loughner's obsession with Gifford took place 3 years ago, and the tea party only came to being in early 2009, wouldn't that mean to anyone that it was not the real influence for him?

I mean if his crazy had already targeted Gifford in 2008, and the Sarah Palin map didn't exist yet, wouldn't that discount the whole "Sarah Palin call to violence meme"?

4 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 9:00:02am

re: #3 Buck

No. Her call to violence is still a call to violence. I don't think you understand that the argument being made is not "Because Sarah Palin put up that map, this particular event occurred" but that it is "Putting up maps like the one Palin did and otherwise engaging in dehumanizing and violent rhetoric is dangerous, because it inflames the discourse and legitimizes political violence."

5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 9:00:28am

re: #3 Buck

If one of the events that points to Loughner's obsession with Gifford took place 3 years ago, and the tea party only came to being in early 2009, wouldn't that mean to anyone that it was not the real influence for him?

I mean if his crazy had already targeted Gifford in 2008, and the Sarah Palin map didn't exist yet, wouldn't that discount the whole "Sarah Palin call to violence meme"?

Not that I accept the connection, but your arguments don't quite cut it. The shooting happened now, not 2-3 years ago.

6 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 9:24:49am
7 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 9:27:34am
8 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 9:38:39am

re: #7 Sergey Romanov

False comparison, "God, guns, guts" constituency which is likely to react to this are not Dems.


Made up opinion that has no basis in fact. There is zero evidence that Dems are less influence by violent acts than any other segment of society. Your characterization of that group, the "God, guns, guts" constituency, is another example of de-humanizing rhetoric. As if those people think this senseless violence is ok.

9 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 9:40:33am

NO ONE "is stirring these crazies up". Crazies throughout history have been self stirring.

10 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 9:43:38am

re: #8 Buck

Made up opinion that has no basis in fact. There is zero evidence that Dems are less influence by violent acts than any other segment of society. Your characterization of that group, the "God, guns, guts" constituency, is another example of de-humanizing rhetoric. As if those people think this senseless violence is ok.

You're incoherent. "Influenced by acts"? We're talking about rhetoric here. "GGG" is dehumanizing? Do you even understand what dehumanizing means?

11 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 9:50:35am

re: #6 Buck

IF what you say is true, and that is the argument then the maps presented by Democrats that targeted republicans would be called dangerous as well.

I'd agree. There are also far fewer Democrats engaged in such language, and far fewer examples of extreme violent rhetoric coming from the Democrats. It has become mainstream on the right. It is a dangerous, and a sad thing.

12 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 9:54:02am

re: #10 Sergey Romanov

You're incoherent. "Influenced by acts"? We're talking about rhetoric here. "GGG" is dehumanizing? Do you even understand what dehumanizing means?

Saying that "GGG" "is likely to react to this are not Dems" is dehumanizing. It is saying the the "GGG" is ok with this type of senseless violence, unlike "Dems". In fact they are no more "likely to react" to the rhetoric than "Dems". They are just as human, just as much loving of life, just as much against violence, just as law abiding, just as smart, just as educated as "Dems". No less.

13 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 9:59:23am

re: #9 Buck

How would you explain the uptick of incidents since the elections then Buck? Please elucidate beyond "it's my opinion that it's just coincidence".

14 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:00:43am
15 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:02:54am

re: #12 Buck

Saying that "GGG" "is likely to react to this are not Dems" is dehumanizing. It is saying the the "GGG" is ok with this type of senseless violence, unlike "Dems". In fact they are no more "likely to react" to the rhetoric than "Dems". They are just as human, just as much loving of life, just as much against violence, just as law abiding, just as smart, just as educated as "Dems". No less.

Uh, you still haven't learned what 'dehumanizing' means.

16 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:06:28am

re: #11 Obdicut

I'd agree. There are also far fewer Democrats engaged in such language, and far fewer examples of extreme violent rhetoric coming from the Democrats. It has become mainstream on the right. It is a dangerous, and a sad thing.

Again, "made up opinion with no basis in fact". Did you click on the link I provided? It is so easy to demonize one group if you ignore, or discount, everything the other group is doing.


"targeting strategy"... "behind enemy lines"... "Democrats should fight back with a realignment strategy of their own. They need to raid the red states"

[Link: www.dlc.org...]

AND most importantly YOUR discount and excusing it.

17 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:08:56am

re: #13 Thanos

How would you explain the uptick of incidents since the elections then Buck? Please elucidate beyond "it's my opinion that it's just coincidence".

You ignore or excuse the incidences that occurred before the election?

18 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:16:33am

re: #17 Buck

The articles linked speak to an uptick since the elections, that's what I'm asking you about. Please explain and quit trying to deflect.

IRS plane guy, Pentagon Shooter guy, Holocaust Museum shooter guy, Oregon Cop killers, etc etc. etc. Please explain what your alternate theory is since according to you nobody is stirring these people up.

19 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:16:40am

re: #15 Sergey Romanov

Uh, you still haven't learned what 'dehumanizing' means.

Really? The process by which members of a group of people (in this case by your post, Dems) assert the "inferiority" of another group ("Again by your account "GGG") through subtle or overt acts or statements (in this case that they are more likely to react to violent rhetoric.

Now I am out of here, as I don't want a time out, and I have no clue why my #6 was deleted.

20 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:21:09am

re: #19 Buck

That isn't 'dehumanizing'. Dehumanizing is ascribing them aspects that make them less human.

Kind of simple.

21 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:29:43am

re: #19 Buck

I find it credulous that a long time Lizard wouldn't understand why a link to Michelle Malkin gets taken down. To start with her odious swill is reprinted with her permission at VDARE.

22 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:38:37am

Michelle Malkin is a white supremest now? I seriously had no idea.

I also never heard of this "reprinted with her permission at VDARE" accusation.

Never.

23 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:41:34am

re: #22 Buck

There you go, Buck is calling Michele Malkin a white supremacist. The VDARE stuff has all been in discussions and multiple articles here Buck, but maybe you just have this kneejerk habit of ignoring data that's counter to your bias.

24 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:41:38am

re: #22 Buck

You should bother to look into the people that you're getting your opinions from.

25 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:47:32am
26 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:49:06am

re: #25 Thanos

I posted that because if he's a true R, it shoots down my "Paleo Libertarian" theory, even though most Paleolibs register R, or run for office as R's (Rand and Ron Paul for instance.)

27 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:51:54am

re: #18 Thanos

The articles linked speak to an uptick since the elections, that's what I'm asking you about. Please explain and quit trying to deflect.

IRS plane guy, Pentagon Shooter guy, Holocaust Museum shooter guy, Oregon Cop killers, etc etc. etc. Please explain what your alternate theory is since according to you nobody is stirring these people up.

You set the starting line at the election. You say there is an uptick since the election. You are only interested in "since the election". I say that in order to see an uptick you would have to ignore all of the violence stirred up 'before the election'.

I say (and I am not deflecting) that those people you list are just plain evil and crazy.

28 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:55:16am

re: #25 Thanos

[Link: lauramartin.tumblr.com...]

Seriously? Doesn't the guy say it was photoshopped with a spelling error, and then he was sent the correction with the spelling error fixed?

29 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:55:55am

re: #27 Buck

In your opinion... do you have objective proof? Also note that while Dems might speak of targeting in the marketing strategy sense of the word, it's the R's who use it in the real sense.

[Link: patriotshop.us...]

30 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 10:59:04am

re: #24 Obdicut

You should bother to look into the people that you're getting your opinions from.

First of all, unlike you, I don't get my opinion from someone else.

Secondly, if VDARE reprinted her article, I doubt that it means SHE agrees WITH them.

I like Michelle Malkin, and I don't believe the VDARE thing at all.

31 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:00:21am

re: #27 Buck

You seem to not understand the meaning of "if he's true R"... I am not sure if it's real or fake, but it is evidence contrary to the the theory above.

32 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:00:26am

re: #29 Thanos

In your opinion... do you have objective proof? Also note that while Dems might speak of targeting in the marketing strategy sense of the word, it's the R's who use it in the real sense.

[Link: patriotshop.us...]

objective proof of what exactly?

33 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:01:12am

re: #30 Buck

No, she agrees with VDARE and most of that Tanton anti immigrant crowd.

34 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:02:16am

People who answer questions with questions in continuous loops don't deserve replies, back to work for me.

35 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:02:47am

re: #30 Buck

First of all, unlike you, I don't get my opinion from someone else.

Secondly, if VDARE reprinted her article, I doubt that it means SHE agrees WITH them.

I like Michelle Malkin, and I don't believe the VDARE thing at all.

Malkin has been publishing her stuff at VDARE for YEARS. Almost a decade.

36 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:03:56am

re: #30 Buck

First of all, unlike you, I don't get my opinion from someone else.

Secondly, if VDARE reprinted her article, I doubt that it means SHE agrees WITH them.

I like Michelle Malkin, and I don't believe the VDARE thing at all.

Oh, for God's sake. Do some research! She is friends with the owner of VDARE. She has praised this white supremacist at her website.

Don't you ever get tired of being exposed as a blindly partisan shill?

37 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:30:26am

Missing the point, and getting diverted. I seriously did not know that MM was on the "don't link to" list. I didn't link to VDARE. I thought the link was relevant to the discussion, and I didn't see any forbidden content on it.

38 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:53:38am

re: #3 Buck


If one of the events that points to Loughner's obsession with Gifford took place 3 years ago, and the tea party only came to being in early 2009, wouldn't that mean to anyone that it was not the real influence for him?

The Tea Party movement started in '06 as a pro-Ron Paul, troofer/libertarian movement.

Since then, booger eating morons that claim to be "conservatives" have hopped on board and hijacked the movement.

39 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:02:22pm

re: #37 Buck

It's not the 'point' that your source was Michelle Malkin, who's articles are carried on the white supremacist website VDARE, the founder of she's personal friends with?

40 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:56:27pm

re: #39 Obdicut

It's not the 'point' that your source was Michelle Malkin, who's articles are carried on the white supremacist website VDARE, the founder of she's personal friends with?

No, that was not the point. The point was hateful rhetoric coming from both sides of the political spectrum equally. (note I said equal not exactly the same).

The link that I provided to show that point was ( unbeknown to me) from one of the do-not-link-to sites. I found that post to be well researched, and on topic, so I linked to it in support of the point I was trying to make.

I now know that this was a mistake, but when I posted it, and when I first saw it deleted, I did not.

Fine, I suppose it will go over much better if we just ignore all the hateful rhetoric coming from the left for the past 10 years, and only show and talk about hateful rhetoric coming from the right. "Do you remember the 2006 film 'The Assassination of George Bush?' How about the book about a man who toys with the idea of killing President Bush? How many times have members of the Dems on the left, and their boosters here, and on cable channels, called Bush and others a war criminal and a murderer?

I know.... none of that counts. It isn't exactly the same. For it to count it has to be word for word, and it has to be since 2008.

Seems to me to be a bit one sided, but hey it makes people here feel better.

41 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:59:40pm

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

The Tea Party movement started in '06 as a pro-Ron Paul, troofer/libertarian movement.

Since then, booger eating morons that claim to be "conservatives" have hopped on board and hijacked the movement.

Ya, Sarah Palin and the Tea Party leaders are troothers and libertarians....why not? If we are making stuff up, let's just go allll the way.

42 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:13:41pm

re: #31 Thanos

You seem to not understand the meaning of "if he's true R"... I am not sure if it's real or fake, but it is evidence contrary to the the theory above.

Well I remember when posting a "Fake but Accurate" post was made fun of.

43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:30:10pm

re: #41 Buck

Ya, Sarah Palin and the Tea Party leaders are troothers and libertarians...why not? If we are making stuff up, let's just go alll the way.

I'm not making anything up. The TP movement started in '06 with troofers, Paulians and libertarians. That Palin has glued herself to such a movement should be an embarrassment for her, but it's not.

The only people that are "making things up" are those who want to re-invent the Tea Party as something that started in '09 in an attempt to deny the roots of the movement.

44 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:48:56pm

re: #40 Buck

Do you want to take any time to think about whether you still 'like' Michelle Malkin, now that you know she allies with white supremacists? Or is the only important thing in the world for you right now to make sure that you try desperately to claim there was an 'equal' amount of violent rhetoric coming from the left-- while ignoring that the violent rhetoric coming from the right is coming from actual luminaries in the GOP, not fringe elements?

45 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 3:04:48pm

re: #44 Obdicut

while ignoring that the violent rhetoric coming from the right is coming from actual luminaries in the GOP, not fringe elements?

We don't agree on what is "violent rhetoric" or who are "luminaries", so our discussion can never actually go anywhere. We clearly don't speak the same language.

It is not just you. The entire media likes to dismiss these threats. For example did you know now former Dem Congressman Paul Kanjorski said of his political opponent "Put him against the wall and shoot him"? No? I don't wonder why.

So now you say either that this was not a call to violence, or that then Congressman Paul Kanjorski is not a luminary. Or both....

46 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 3:09:10pm

re: #45 Buck

It's absolutely a call to violence. Kanjorski is in no way a luminary.

Why do you think he is a luminary?

And again:

Do you want to take any time to think about whether you still 'like' Michelle Malkin, now that you know she allies with white supremacists?

47 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 3:10:16pm

Or when Congressman Dennis Kucinich, along with Robert Wexler calls Bush a war criminal.... We don't agree that this could be interpreted by an unstable person as a call for violence....

48 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 3:12:11pm

re: #46 Obdicut

It's absolutely a call to violence. Kanjorski is in no way a luminary.

Why do you think he is a luminary?

He is (was) and elected Congressman? Seems to me to be pretty serious position.

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I will not discuss MM anymore. I don't want a time out.

49 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 3:20:23pm

re: #22 Buck

Michelle Malkin is a white supremest now? I seriously had no idea.

I also never heard of this "reprinted with her permission at VDARE" accusation.

Never.

You seriously need to hone your knowledge of that pint-sized racist. Never heard of her book, "In Defense of Bigotry?" Oh, wait, that's not the title. I always forget.

50 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 3:21:58pm

re: #26 Thanos


Jared Lee Loughner was a registered independent, didn't vote in 2010 election.

So that photoshopped link was both fake and false.

51 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 3:28:17pm

I understand why many think that Loughner had anything close to a coherent RW political philosophy, they also think all conservatives are crazy...

Makes sense now.

52 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 3:28:52pm

re: #47 Buck

Or when Congressman Dennis Kucinich, along with Robert Wexler calls Bush a war criminal... We don't agree that this could be interpreted by an unstable person as a call for violence...

You couldn't be more off base. Kucinich and several others brought 35 impeachable charges before the Judiciary against Bush, one of which stated he was a war criminal and yes, they considered him a war criminal. However, it went no where. They have every right to do that and you better thank your lucky stars they have every right to do it.

It wasn't gossip, and it certainly wasn't a call to arms like "Don't retreat, reload". If you can't tell the difference, I can't help you.

53 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 3:51:48pm

re: #52 marjoriemoon

You couldn't be more off base. Kucinich and several others brought 35 impeachable charges before the Judiciary against Bush, one of which stated he was a war criminal and yes, they considered him a war criminal. However, it went no where. They have every right to do that and you better thank your lucky stars they have every right to do it.

It wasn't gossip, and it certainly wasn't a call to arms like "Don't retreat, reload". If you can't tell the difference, I can't help you.

Not exactly the same, but Bullseyes, "Targeting Strategy" and "Behind Enemy Lines"..... I am seeing equal, but different.

54 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 4:09:37pm

re: #48 Buck

Do you know what the word 'luminary' means?

55 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 4:09:48pm

When in a democracy, we refer to other legal politicians who are nothing more than on a different party as targeted as an enemy we are using words that cannot be misunderstood. Especially if they are on a graphic that has BullsEyes to target these enemies.

However if this is the Left doing it, then "it is not the same".

It is of course exactly the same.... equally harmless. Crazy violent people will

56 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 4:14:04pm

re: #54 Obdicut

Do you know what the word 'luminary' means?

Well in my language, in this context, it mean a person of prominence.

Now maybe a person elected to Congress is no big deal to you. I don't know.

57 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 4:14:24pm

re: #55 Buck

It is the same. DKOS's bullseye poster was irresponsible. However, the language used wasn't nearly as aggressive. And there is a consistent push from the right wing about violence, uprising, revolution, 2nd amendment remedies.

You are refusing to look at it because you are absolutely and wilfully partisan, just as you are refusing to re-examine your evaluation of Michelle Malkin even though you just received new information about her. you don't care about information. You have your conclusions already.

58 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 4:15:15pm

re: #56 Buck

Luminary is comparative. On the national scale, not every representative and senator can be a luminary. Some of them are going to be minor characters. Like the many reps and senators who's names you've never heard.

59 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 4:24:06pm

re: #58 Obdicut

Luminary is comparative. On the national scale, not every representative and senator can be a luminary. Some of them are going to be minor characters. Like the many reps and senators who's names you've never heard.

So when you said "while ignoring that the violent rhetoric coming from the right is coming from actual luminaries in the GOP, not fringe elements?" You meant only the people YOU think are extra special. AND you get to decide exactly where that line is.... AND it might not be in the same place for Democrats as you place it for Republicans. AND that some members of congress might be "fringe elements" IF they are Democrats and you decide they don't count.

So when you said "fewer examples of extreme violent rhetoric coming from the Democrats" you really meant fewer examples that YOU are willing to count.

That is some game you want to play. As usual you only want to stack it so that you get to make up the rules as you go along. Forgive me if I choose not to play anymore.

60 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 4:35:26pm

re: #57 Obdicut

It is the same. DKOS's bullseye poster was irresponsible. However, the language used wasn't nearly as aggressive.

Actually the LANGUAGE on the Sarah Palin poster was very neutral. "Its time to take a stand" and Let's take back the 20 together". It is the filled in circles with the crossed lines that people objected to. I say it that way to point out that a gun sight doesn't usually have a filled in center that blocks the eye from seeing what is behind it. In fact the language on the DLC poster (not DKOS) was much more aggressive.

Maybe you haven't seen this one? [Link: www.dlc.org...]

61 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 4:38:54pm

re: #60 Buck

Orly?

Actually the LANGUAGE on the Sarah Palin poster was very neutral.

Image: 222068904.png

Maybe you haven't seen this one? [Link: [Link: www.dlc.org...]...]

Did you bother to read any of the accompanying text, and notice that the states, rather than individuals, are targeted?

No, of course not. You have your conclusion already. You accuse other people of 'stacking the deck' and 'making up the rules' while you stack the deck and make up the rules, declaring things 'equal' on the basis of your desire for them to be equal.

You're called out on supporting Michelle Malkin, who writes for a White Supremacist website, and you say you're not going to write about it because you don't want a time out. Have some courage, Buck. Explain what your defense of Michelle's alliance with White Supremacists is.

62 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 4:59:55pm

re: #61 Obdicut

Orly?

Actually the LANGUAGE on the Sarah Palin poster was very neutral.

Image: 222068904.png

Did you bother to read any of the accompanying text, and notice that the states, rather than individuals, are targeted?

No, of course not. You have your conclusion already. You accuse other people of 'stacking the deck' and 'making up the rules' while you stack the deck and make up the rules, declaring things 'equal' on the basis of your desire for them to be equal.

You're called out on supporting Michelle Malkin, who writes for a White Supremacist website, and you say you're not going to write about it because you don't want a time out. Have some courage, Buck. Explain what your defense of Michelle's alliance with White Supremacists is.

Not the SarahPAC Graphic that everyone is pointing to.

This is the one that Charles pointed to:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

The panel you point to doesn't have aggressive language either. YES, they targeted elected officials for special attention in order to change those districts from blue to red. Not to kill them. To take back the 20! AND my point is that both sides do the exact same targeting. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee website had one that used bullseyes and targeted republicans by name.

Again, both sides do it, and are equally benign.

63 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:04:48pm

MM is clearly a forbidden subject, it is cowardly of YOU to try and goad me into defending her.

64 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:08:00pm

re: #63 Buck

MM is clearly a forbidden subject, it is cowardly of YOU to try and goad me into defending her.

Can you really not fucking realizing that saying "I'd defend Michelle but Charles won't let me" is just as moronically bad as defending her?

65 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:09:41pm

re: #62 Buck

Why the fuck, why the holy hell, what is the goddamn problem with understanding that I am saying that both sides do it, but that the right-wing does it more?

Why do you believe in the Magical Balance Fairy?

66 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:12:53pm

re: #64 Obdicut

Can you really not fucking realizing that saying "I'd defend Michelle but Charles won't let me" is just as moronically bad as defending her?

Your use of quotes to re: #64 Obdicut

Can you really not fucking realizing that saying "I'd defend Michelle but Charles won't let me" is just as moronically bad as defending her?

Your use of quotes to attribute to me something I never said is a continuation of that same cowardice I referred to in the above post.

I clearly said YOU were trying to goad me into defending her. Then when I don't take the bait, you use profanity and name calling. Cowardly and childish.

67 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:14:51pm

re: #65 Obdicut

Why the fuck, why the holy hell, what is the goddamn problem with understanding that I am saying that both sides do it, but that the right-wing does it more?

Why do you believe in the Magical Balance Fairy?

Riiiiiight. Well you have now gone all unstable again. I have answered this before, you just don't like my answer.

68 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:15:24pm

re: #66 Buck

You are defending her, Buck. You are saying you could defend her, but you're afraid to because you'll get a timeout.

Do you really not get that that is defending her?

69 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:16:06pm

re: #67 Buck

Do you feel the slightest twinge of hypocrisy when you castigate me for name-calling and then tell me I'm unstable? Anything at all?

70 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:18:39pm

re: #69 Obdicut

Do you feel the slightest twinge of hypocrisy when you castigate me for name-calling and then tell me I'm unstable? Anything at all?

No hypocrisy at all. You started with the name calling, and profanity. That is a clear sign of YOU becoming unstable. Kind of simple. If you had left out the name calling and profanity, I would not have been able to call you on it. But you can't can you?

71 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:19:40pm

re: #70 Buck

Ah. "You started it!" Pathetic.

You are defending Michelle Malkin, Buck. You are saying you could defend her, but you're afraid to because you'll get a timeout.

Do you really not get that that is defending her?

72 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:27:43pm

Your obsession with this is interesting. Maybe someday we can talk about how you seem to be unable to let go of irrelevant issues. Once I explained my mistake (see my #37) the subject is over as far as I am concerned. I see no reason to discuss it further.

73 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:48:22pm

re: #72 Buck

How is your support for Michelle Malkin, purveyor of incendiary and hateful rhetoric, irrelevant to the topic of inflammatory rhetoric, Buck?

74 Buck  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 8:58:24pm

The only incendiary and hateful rhetoric I am seeing today is coming from you.

75 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 9:18:15pm

re: #74 Buck

Because you're deliberately not looking at the connections between Michelle Malkin and white supremacists.

76 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:23:29am

re: #72 Buck

Your obsession with this is interesting. Maybe someday we can talk about how you seem to be unable to let go of irrelevant issues. Once I explained my mistake (see my #37) the subject is over as far as I am concerned. I see no reason to discuss it further.

Nice flounce.

77 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:29:31am

re: #9 Buck

NO ONE "is stirring these crazies up". Crazies throughout history have been self stirring.

If you'll pardon the car analogy (or if you won't, it's my post, so I'll do it anyway)--

Crazies can be self-stirring, like a very powerful engine. They can attain great speed. The problem is the lack of a qualified driver. Tragedy can be the result.

Then add Sister Sarah, Glenn Beck, Rush, Bachmann, and their ilk. They are the turbochargers, added to the motor's power to make it much more powerful. The driver is just as incompetent, the car is much more powerful. Even greater tragedy can result.

78 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 5:30:50am

Just a quick side note since someone brought it up well upthread: many of the same 9/11 troofers who support Ron Paul also support Dennis Kucinich for his "impeach Bush because it was a conspiracy" stance. The same people have shown up both candidate's rallies from 2004 - 2010, some even wearing orange jumpers. The paleo libertarians are antiwar and they resonate well with the Kucinich crowd.

79 Buck  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 8:23:02am

re: #78 Thanos

And is that how you would describe the tea party? Were the anti war groups you describe right or left?

80 Buck  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 8:33:04am

re: #75 Obdicut

Because you're deliberately not looking at the connections between Michelle Malkin and white supremacists.

I see, so you blame your behaviour on me? That is very interesting. So if I would only see things your way you would not be so hateful? I wonder why you need me me to verify what you pretend to be so sure of?

81 palomino  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 1:46:07pm

re: #80 Buck

I see, so you blame your behaviour on me? That is very interesting. So if I would only see things your way you would not be so hateful? I wonder why you need me me to verify what you pretend to be so sure of?

buck, your malkin list is composed primarily of things said and done by left wing bloggers and commentators and protestors. The TPM list of right wing hate rhetoric is totally different since it's mostly made up of wild rhetoric from the candidates themselves. Surely even a partisan hack can see the difference.

82 Buck  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 6:37:44pm

re: #81 palomino

buck, your malkin list is composed primarily of things said and done by left wing bloggers and commentators and protestors. The TPM list of right wing hate rhetoric is totally different since it's mostly made up of wild rhetoric from the candidates themselves. Surely even a partisan hack can see the difference.

I have given multiple examples of hateful rhetoric from candidates on the left.

I explained that no matter how many examples I gave, it would never be from the correct person to count. At the start of this it was just the SarahPac Map and her tweet. Once it was shown that people, of equal standing did exactly the same thing, the goal posts are moved.

The TPM list was hardly balanced.

There is zero evidence that this kook was influenced by any of the events on that list.

In fact I expect that when Jared does start talking his rants will be against the republicans and anyone in government.

"I wouldn't blame rhetoric for this anymore than I would blame heavy metal music for columbine."


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