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1 fantasmaguero  Fri, Jan 14, 2011 7:52:50am
Let’s give up the pretence that so-called conscience clauses are about anything other than an asshole’s insistence that he or she should have the right to fuck with other people’s lives and health.

Indeed. Not only to fuck with lives and health, but to deliberately and maliciously jeopardize those lives.

2 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jan 14, 2011 8:05:44am

I hope this story gets a lot of circulation. This is just unconscionable.

3 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 14, 2011 8:11:18am

These people believe that God and God only is in complete control of human health and circumstances, medicine be damned.

Do we need start to screening pharmacists to try and stop this from happening?

4 fantasmaguero  Fri, Jan 14, 2011 8:24:38am

re: #3 dragonfire1981

These people believe that God and God only is in complete control of human health and circumstances, medicine be damned.


They sure do.


Do we need start to screening pharmacists to try and stop this from happening?


Is it naive to question why we don’t already?

5 Lidane  Fri, Jan 14, 2011 8:29:19am

re: #3 dragonfire1981

These people believe that God and God only is in complete control of human health and circumstances, medicine be damned.

They also believe that they’re the stand-in for God and get to decide who gets what medication and when.

Fuck these people and their quest to control the sexuality and lives of others.

6 Pamela Gellar [sic(k)]  Fri, Jan 14, 2011 8:32:40am

re: #2 Obdicut

I hope this story gets a lot of circulation. This is just unconscionable.

Obdi, stories like this one happen all the freakin time. Sometimes it’s emergency birth control that they block for rape victims, (hello, grifter Palin!), sometimes it’s allowing catholic hospitals to fail to offer treatment. But the scary thing is not that this particular one happened, but that any do.
the article points out that Idaho has had a host of problems already because the ‘conscience clause’ bs is so poorly written and so broad. That’s deliberate too, of course.

7 Pamela Gellar [sic(k)]  Fri, Jan 14, 2011 8:41:37am

re: #5 Lidane

They also believe that they’re the stand-in for God and get to decide who gets what medication and when.

Fuck these people and their quest to control the sexuality and lives of others.

This a thousand times.

8 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jan 14, 2011 8:45:14am

re: #6 iceweasel

This is different, though, because it’s a refusal to treat a woman because of the suspicion that she’s had an abortion— not the refusal to aid the woman in having an abortion. This is a much clearer case that shows what’s at heart is not an individual’s desire not to participate in an act they find morally objectionable, but an actual desire to see women who do get abortions suffer.

That’s why I hope this story, rather than the hundreds of stories of pharmacists refusing to give or stock the morning-after pill, gets circulation. It shows things in a much more stark way.

9 Pamela Gellar [sic(k)]  Fri, Jan 14, 2011 8:54:52am

re: #8 Obdicut

This is different, though, because it’s a refusal to treat a woman because of the suspicion that she’s had an abortion— not the refusal to aid the woman in having an abortion. This is a much clearer case that shows what’s at heart is not an individual’s desire not to participate in an act they find morally objectionable, but an actual desire to see women who do get abortions suffer.

That’s why I hope this story, rather than the hundreds of stories of pharmacists refusing to give or stock the morning-after pill, gets circulation. It shows things in a much more stark way.

I posted a page months ago that I can’t currently find which involved a cabdriver refusing to take a fare to Planned Parenthood because of his belief that the woman ‘might’ be going there for an abortion. This stuff does happen constantly. The arguments and freakout over emergency contraception and the availability of it also trade on claims about what women ‘might’ do if they had access to it, just like the arguments against the HPV vaccine do.

We’re in agreement here largely: what this is all about always is a desire to punish women. And refusing to give a rape victim EC, especially when there is only a small window in which it’s effective (72 hours!) IS a really big deal.

10 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 14, 2011 9:00:27am

re: #4 fantasmaguero

I thought in most cases it was against the law to refuse employment to someone based on religion. Therefore there’s no legal way I see from preventing Christians from becoming pharmacists.

I doubt that can be easily changed without an uproar from Christians arguing they are being discriminated against and persecuted.

11 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 14, 2011 9:00:39am

re: #9 iceweasel

I posted a page months ago that I can’t currently find which involved a cabdriver refusing to take a fare to Planned Parenthood because of his belief that the woman ‘might’ be going there for an abortion.

Are you referring to this case?

A former bus driver has sued the Capital Area Rural Transportation System, charging that the nine-county transit service discriminated against him based on his religion when he was fired for refusing to drive women to a Planned Parenthood clinic in January.

Love the blogger’s rebuttal, and boy does it ever apply here:

It is not religious discrimination if you are refusing to do your job. If you were a Muslim bus driver you would be required to take people to a bar, and if you were a Jewish bus driver you would be required to take people to a butcher that sells pork. If you don’t want to perform your duties, don’t pick a job that’s going to require you to act against your religious beliefs. The same goes for pharmacists who don’t want to provide birth control because of their own moral convictions - don’t become a pharmacist if you can’t be a pharmacist because of your ethics.

…or in the case of this vicious holy-roller from Idaho, a serious lack thereof.

12 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jan 14, 2011 9:01:23am

re: #10 dragonfire1981

Most Christian pharmacists will not refuse to provide abortafacients or other related medication. It’s a subset, the fanatics.

13 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 14, 2011 11:46:42am

Disgusting. Conscience clauses need to be abolished. If you refuse to preform an aspect of your job description due to some religious belief or other, you need to lose your job.

14 Kruk  Fri, Jan 14, 2011 7:53:56pm

I’m a pharmacist myself, and I find this abhorrent. I can count the number of times I have refused to fill prescriptions (in the decade I’ve been registered) on one hand, and each of those times were because they were not legally written or because of a dangerous interaction or overdose. Never, ever, because I objected to a patients’ ‘lifestyle’ or choices or because I felt they didn’t ‘deserve’ to be dispensed something.

There has been talk in the past of laws requiring pharmacists to fill all prescriptions that I presented. I think that’s a bad idea because there sometimes genuine reasons for refusing a prescription. If cases like this become more common though, I can see the push for such laws becoming stronger, to the deteriment of both pharmacists and patients. I would rather we pharmacists made it crystal clear that we as a profession will always put the patients first. If that means striking off those who can’t do that, so be it.


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