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1 nines09  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 2:54:24pm

It was just an innocent remark like commie and Nazi and socialist and just might shoot you. Honest.
Glenn would never hurt anyone. He leaves that to others.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 4:33:45pm

Not quite clear though (in this clip) who he is talking about.

3 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 4:35:53pm

re: #2 Sergey Romanov

Not quite clear though (in this clip) who he is talking about.

See the YouTube clip page. It links to [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

PS: This page has a "Glen Beck" tag.

4 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 4:40:44pm

re: #3 000G

So he says that Dems will have to shoot left-wing radicals "in the head".

5 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 4:41:52pm

re: #3 000G

See the YouTube clip page. It links to [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

PS: This page has a "Glen Beck" tag.

dat gum it

6 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 4:46:27pm

re: #4 Sergey Romanov

So he says that Dems will have to shoot left-wing radicals "in the head".

Stating that government officials need to be shot in the head is unacceptable regardless of who does it and for what reason.

Shooting anybody in the head for any reason is unacceptable.

The point is the violent rhetoric and treating violence as an acceptable way to resolve political differences is not OK.

7 reginald perrin  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 4:47:41pm

Newsroom: Victim In Fatal Car Accident Tragically Not Glenn Beck

8 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 4:47:54pm

re: #6 Conservative Moonbat

Shooting anybody in the head for any reason is unacceptable.

How about self defense? Which is probably going to be the line of defense Beck is going to go for when asked about this.

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 4:49:21pm

re: #6 Conservative Moonbat

Sure, though he most probably didn't mean it literally: "Shoot me in the head before I stop talking about the Founders. Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government.". Stupid is as stupid does, and this rhetoric is out of place, but I don't see it as fomenting a shooting or something.

10 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 4:58:41pm

re: #8 000G

How about self defense? Which is probably going to be the line of defense Beck is going to go for when asked about this.

That is not applicable in the context of Beck's ranting. He is unarguably referring to political the enemies in his imaginary world where President Obama hates America and is part of some plot to bring down country.
This type of message is dangerous because it could lead some mentally ill individualto shooting a liberal commie. After what happened after Tucson, we know that it is possible.

11 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 5:06:27pm

re: #10 Reginald Perrin

That is not applicable in the context of Beck's ranting. He is unarguably referring to political the enemies in his imaginary world where President Obama hates America and is part of some plot to bring down country.

First of all, I was responding to Conservative Moonbat's assertion that " Shooting anybody in the head for any reason is unacceptable." Secondly, I pointed out that that line of reasoning is what Beck is probably going to use in order to defend himself, not whether it was applicable (appropriateness is not Beck's strong suit). And he will probably do so by pointing out that he meant to say that the radicals would shoot the true Americans in the head first otherwise.

This type of message is dangerous because it could lead some mentally ill individualto shooting a liberal commie. After what happened after Tucson, we know that it is possible.

What is it that happened after Tucson that you are referring to?

12 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 5:15:03pm

A transcript at Fox News of this incoherent rant:

Tea parties believe in small government. We believe in returning to the principles of our Founding Fathers. We respect them. We revere them. Shoot me in the head before I stop talking about the Founders. Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government.

I will stand against you and so will millions of others. We believe in something. You in the media and most in Washington don't. The radicals that you and Washington have co-opted and brought in wearing sheep's clothing — change the pose. You will get the ends.

You've been using them? They believe in communism. They believe and have called for a revolution. You're going to have to shoot them in the head. But warning, they may shoot you.

They are dangerous because they believe. Karl Marx is their George Washington. You will never change their mind. And if they feel you have lied to them — they're revolutionaries. Nancy Pelosi, those are the people you should be worried about.

13 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 5:15:57pm

re: #11 000G

What is it that happened after Tucson that you are referring to?

We learned that a mentally ill man who happened to believe weird conspiracies, committed a hideous mass murder.
Time will tell if he was influence by rhetoric that condones violence. He is alive and I'm quite confident the Feds are going to piece together his internet history. We will eventually learn the answer to what set him off.

14 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 5:18:04pm

re: #12 Charles

Wow, the full context changes everything, Beck crossed the line with that rant.

15 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 5:20:13pm

re: #14 Reginald Perrin

It's being discussed in the "Mafia" thread.

16 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 5:23:08pm

re: #15 Sergey Romanov

I am quite aware of that. I am not in the mood to have trolls nipping at my heels or calling me childish names. This is a perfectly fine place to comment.

17 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 5:52:06pm

Patterico's having the vapors again: No, Charles Johnson, Glenn Beck Did Not Tell His Viewers to Shoot Anyone in the Head.

I could swear that neither I nor 'Conservative Moonbat' made any such claim, but then I live in the real world.

18 reginald perrin  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 6:29:47pm

re: #17 Charles

They can parse every word and it doesn't matter. Mr Beck has a long history of making similar violence endorsing rants. Wasn't the Tides Foundation affair evidence enough that this rhetoric can set off a crazed individual?

19 freetoken  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 7:04:20pm

re: #17 Charles

They hate it when clear evidence is presented that hateful and violent rhetoric has been a tool used by the Paulian/Beckian nut crowd.

Tough.

20 freetoken  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 7:05:29pm

re: #18 reginald perrin

Beck, in his radio career, has a long history of trashing his enemies with mean-spirited and hyperbolic rants.

21 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 7:32:30pm

re: #19 freetoken

re: #20 freetoken

But that doesn't matter to Beck he knows his fans feed off his rants. He went from zero to the top of cable news peddling that hate. Beck and the whole right wing are "all in' with the anger and hate.
It's is disappointing to see that the moderate wing of the party hasn't come out and called for toned down rhetoric. They are by no means out of the woods with the Tucson Shooter, when the truth comes out, there is a good possibility that the shooter was indeed influence by the mongering of anger and hate.
America can't continue on this downward spiral, some event is going to lead to a great awakening. The moderates chose to go down with the ship.

22 simoom  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:01:33am

Glenn Beck advances the theory that them Dems have co-opted violent revolutionaries (who want the streets to run with blood) by allowing them into government, and that at some point these revolutionaries will get fed up and start doing very bad things. He also spends a part of his rant placing different people into the revolutionary camp or the cynical Democrat camp, though in some case, like with the President or Cass Sustein, he tells his viewers he's not sure we're they fit, and leaves it up to them to decide.

Beck then seems to be telling the Dems that they need to "shoot" these "revolutionaries in the head" before they turn on everyone and start shooting people themselves. This seems to be the distinction that a number of his defenders are hanging their hats on, but I'm not sure how it helps his case. First he's advocating that the proper way to deal with these folks is for them to be shot, he's also warning that they're dangerous and violent; that he's telling the left to do it doesn't change that he's made the case for why they need to be killed to his viewership. Also I'm not entirely sure why it helps him to say, "He only used FNC airtime to tell group A to kill government employees, not group B!".

23 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:18:36am

Beck is scaremongering about communism as if he's living in 1956. Communism is long gone. He reminds me of middle eastern leaders who stir up the masses against Israel in order to remain popular.

24 simoom  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:20:51am

Here's 9 minutes from around that clip if anyone was interested in extracting a larger segment:

Here's a link that should jump to about one and a half minutes before the clip:
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