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1 freetoken  Mon, Feb 7, 2011 2:13:13pm

Well, where to begin…

First of all, the writer (an experienced free-lance writer) confuses “anti-nuke” with “environmentalist”. While it is true that many people who self-identify as “anti-nuke” also self identify as “environmentalist”, there have always been people who were anti-nuke who really weren’t involved with environmentalism, and likewise not all environmental activists and organizations were anti-nuclear power.

Indeed, the writer, Llewellyn King, has another article out today called Stand Up to NIMBY in which he identifies NIMBYism as a significant problem in going forward with energy projects.

I submit to you that NIMBYism has had just as much to do with the anti-nuke feelings in this country, as much as “environmentalism”.

Also, a non-trivial portion of the anti-nuke movement in the US was tied to nuclear weapons. Note that the same government, the same government agencies (the DOE and its predecessors), that are involved with nuclear power are/were also involved with nuclear weapons.

Finally, nuclear energy, while a useful source of energy, also comes with its own, heavy baggage. It really is dangerous, but with enough expenditures (and thus it can never be “too cheap to meter”) can be managed, as we do with many dangerous human activities.

Finally2, the link is to an oil industry propaganda machine, and the author’s article was sourced to them from OSINT, an “intelligence” organization that uses/exploits the techniques of intelligence for commercial interests to, in this case, manage propaganda.

2 Political Atheist  Mon, Feb 7, 2011 4:10:27pm

re: #1 freetoken

So you see no connection between anti nuclear efforts by the far left wing propaganda machine and the resulting exaggerated reaction of NIMBY? I see a connection clearly. The strength of the NIMBY factor can be tied in no small part to the successes of post 3 mile island hysteria. Or Chernobyl which would not happen with modern US designs anyway.

Or how about this rather transparent catch-22
Complain about a lack of storage facilities and yet oppose Yucca Mountain as the solution. That is quite the self serving circle of logic for the left. This is a great example in fact of the left denying or ignoring good science.

The anti nuclear weapon and anti nuclear power movement is nearly inseparable. When I look at the largest group for instance, the Sierra Club they solidly oppose both technologies. Very few left wing groups have come out in favor of nuclear power, and many of those who have changed position did so only recently.

I would refer you to this link giving the very long list of anti nuclear groups. I’d like to see a list of anti nuclear weapons groups that support nuclear power, and their record over the years. I read the two as largely inseparable.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Now reading that list and looking into how effective they are using propaganda, which amplifies the NIMBY factor, I come to the conclusion the far left has in fact been a large factor well worth calling out for errors of their ways. By errors I refer to the carnage in and around coal mining and usage as compared say to the loss of life at 3 mile island. That would be no lives lost in the incident.

Perhaps the largest far left anti nuclear group is the Sierra Club itself. While having many laudable goals, they have this dead wrong. Especially in light of AGW. I’ll refer you to Ludwigs numerous posts in support of nuclear power to get us past fossil fuels and prevent or delay needless AGW.

3 Querent  Mon, Feb 7, 2011 11:02:45pm

as a lizard who grew up during all that, with a father who was working in the industry (and still gets called on to give presentations on it), i say

Whoo, it’s about time.


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