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1 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:37:50am

Saw that earlier. Rolled my eyes and snarled.

I wonder if Jefferson and the other Founders ever thought that insanity would play a big part in creating legislation?

Love my angel. *kiss* *HUGS*

2 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:49:40am

It's a short step from there to monitoring every period. Some early miscarriages are mistaken for periods.

I'm sorry for your losses, Angel.

3 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 12:21:55pm

Perhaps you could update your Page to indicate that the Talibangelical troglodyte sponsoring this bill is the same creature responsible for this:

GA State Rep. Bobby Franklin: There's No Such Thing as a Rape Victim

4 angel Graham  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 12:32:42pm

Thanks pS. Done and done.

5 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 1:40:06pm

WOW.... link to legislation...

14 (a) The State of Georgia has the duty to protect all innocent life from the moment of
15 conception until natural death. We know that life begins at conception. After nearly four
16 decades of legal human prenatal murder, it is now abundantly clear that the practice has
17 negatively impacted the people of this state in many ways, including economic, health,
18 physical, psychological, emotional, and medical well-being. These, too, are areas of
19 legitimate concern and duty of this state. The General Assembly therefore makes the
20 following findings of fact:
21 (1) A fetus is a person for all purposes under the laws of this state from the moment of
22 conception;

23 (2) The Georgia Constitution, at Article I, Section I, Paragraph II, provides: 'Protection
24 to person and property is the paramount duty of government and shall be impartial and

6 Bob Levin  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 1:55:52pm

This is a law that would break up families, everyone is affected. I would be shocked if the governor allowed this through. A lot of doctors will not be happy with this, given that every case coming to light from this law will bring that the OB/GYN's name into the news.

The sponsor of this is completely detached from reality, because your story is more common than he thinks. I don't know the reason, but it is seems very difficult to simply conceive and give birth nowadays. It seems like every family either knows someone who has been through this, or has been through it themselves.

7 SpaceJesus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:00:25pm
I. Am. Angry


8 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:12:58pm

re: #5 Thanos

WOW... link to legislation...

[Link:]A fetus is a person for all purposes under the laws of this state from the moment of
22 conception;

Apart from miscarriages, 30 to 50 per cent of fertilized eggs are lost after conception and before or during implantation, frequently without the woman ever having the slightest idea she was pregnant. According to his legislation, that's going to be an AWFULLY busy CSI lab.

9 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:52:34pm

re: #8 negativ

Apart from miscarriages, 30 to 50 per cent of fertilized eggs are lost after conception and before or during implantation, frequently without the woman ever having the slightest idea she was pregnant. According to his legislation, that's going to be an AWFULLY busy CSI lab.

I would imagine it'd essentially cripple any system tasked with investigating it, how many miscarriages occur in a jurisdiction a week?

10 calochortus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:24:17pm

Never mind that this is misogynistic nonsense, offensive and likely extremely unconstitutional. Let's ask all these small government, no-tax idiots:
Who is paying for this?

11 theheat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:47:06pm

Let's investigate impotence, because no sperm and lame sperm and flaccid penises factor into viable pregnancies.

And let's start with every politician passing a virility test in a lab setting. This includes interviewing their wives, girlfriends, and mistresses, and testing for motility and cellular integrity.

And then let's publish the results.

12 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:59:50pm

I. Am. Angry
Me, too.
This is obscene.

13 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 5:05:11pm

Dude has some serious issues with women.Kinda of a theme with this character.This kind of thing is really serving to show the true colors of some of the anti-abortion crowd,they want women to go back to being property,just like their twisted little version of the bible tells them too.People like this make me proud to be an atheist.

14 calochortus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 5:13:25pm

Perhaps they could mandate an autopsy on every single person who dies. That ought to provide a lot of new job openings for people who can check each and every 85 year old who dies of pneumonia following a series of disabling strokes. It could be murder!

Oh wait, those are actual people who were born a long time ago. Not so important.

15 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 5:38:22pm

I'm sorry to hear about your miscarriages, angel.

These people are... Selfish? Insane? Stupid? Ignorant? Panderers? Opportunists?

They can't seem to see past the noses on their faces as they clearly don't think through all the possible repercussions of the stuff they propose to put into law. Or maybe they do think about it, in which case they're just plain evil. Or maybe they just don't care, which means they're not only evil, but also... I've run out of words... *sigh*

16 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:15:23pm

I am so sorry to hear about your miscarriages also.

How can any woman ever support the GOP? This boggles me. They could not be more plain in their contempt.

How can women who openly support the GOP stare other women in the eye?

How can non-insane women tolerate looking at those women who support and promote this sort of evil?

17 calochortus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:09:12pm

Speaking as a former Republican (a lousy Republican, but a registered one nonetheless) I can't imagine why any women, or very many men, remain in the party. For many years I hoped that I was part of a moderating influence. The issue of torture finally made it impossible for me to remain (so now I'm a lousy Democrat...but that's a different issue.) I suppose I was a tiny bit of the moderating influence that now appears to be entirely gone.

There is a subset of the population that doesn't care a lot about the rights of others. I wonder how long it will take for conservative women to notice that they are about to lose some pretty basic rights for themselves?

18 Bob Levin  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:36:46pm

re: #17 calochortus

We haven't even brought successful pregnancies into this--the rate of difficult pregnancies that turn out all right. So, now simply getting pregnant at all adds to the stress that things may not go well--adding a possible legal investigation to the normal worry--where you are presumed guilty. This is just asking for disaster.

Oh yeah, they care about life.

This won't even make it past the first layer of legal analysts.

19 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:51:09pm

This guy is such a batshit freak I had to check to make sure his wikipedia bio hadn't been sabotaged by opponents. It hasn't been: This stuff is for real.

-Franklin opposes public schools,

"The State Has No Jurisdiction To Educate Our Children — Period!"

- He introduced a bill to abolish driver's licenses, I shit you not.

"He further stated that the freedom of movement by operating an automobile should be open to all Americans, regardless of age or driving skills. He cemented these beliefs by noting that he does not object to 12 year old children driving cars on Georgia Highways."

-He is a Paulian gold bug and introduced what he called the "Constitutional Tender Act."

(This) "aims to make gold and silver the only legal tender for payment of debts in the state of Georgia pursuant to Article I, Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution. Franklin maintains that all fifty U.S. states are in violation of this Constitutional stipulation as paper and electronic bank notes (Federal Reserve Accounting Unit Dollars) are used nearly exclusively as tender."

-He wants to tax the Federal Reserve just as he would any private bank.


"Franklin holds that America has strayed from its Christian past and the country needs to be changed into a Christian nation. Franklin believes that legislation that is in direct opposition to God's word will bring about the wrath of God."
20 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:09:28pm

This is awful and I'm also sorry for your losses, angel.

It seems though that this can never pass. I would think it's a violation of HIPAA, and that's federal law. I mean, that doesn't even touch upon all the moral aspects of this nonsense, but legally, no one but you can have access to your healthcare unless you allow it.

But looking over this page, I do have some questions.

Who Is Not Required to Follow These Laws
Many organizations that have health information about you do not have to follow these laws. Examples of organizations that do not have to follow the Privacy and Security Rules include:
* life insurers,
* employers (they can ask for a doctor's note from you, but can't ask your healthcare provider about your history).
* workers compensation carriers,
* many schools and school districts,
* many state agencies like child protective service agencies,
* many law enforcement agencies,
* many municipal offices.

I'm not sure how law enforcement fits in here. Would he have to make miscarriage illegal? Why would law enforcement have access to your healthcare? And municipal offices? I don't understand those scenarios.

At any rate, the guy is horrifying excuse for a human being.

21 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:18:41pm

Well it's also in violation of Roe v Wade. SCOTUS did not make the determination that life begins at conception. It's legal to have an abortion in this country. Some bible thumper in Georgia wants to make his own rules because he think he can? I'll fall over in a faint if this gets through.

22 theheat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:32:35pm

re: #21 marjoriemoon

One of the things I considered when pulling the lever for Obama was SCOTUS nominations. When I saw Palin picked for VP, it was only the tip of the iceberg indicating the direction the GOP was heading. I saw that, and I ran like hell.

The right wing has pulled out all the stops to dismantle and rewrite the Constitution to adhere to scripture. I figured we'd stand a better chance with a SCOTUS a Dem tapped.

23 Archangelus  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 1:40:03am

re: #20 marjoriemoon

The guy is horrifying excuse for a human being.

Summed up perfectly.

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