Hate Comes to Orange County

Wingnuts • March 2011 • Views: 3,086

Chants of “Go back home!” and “USA!” from a crowd of Americans draped in flags chanting at Muslim Americans including their children as they enter a Mosque. Councilwoman Deborah Pauly (Republican) claiming what is going in the Mosque is “pure, unadulterated evil” and “I know quite a few marines that will be willing to help these terrorists to an early meeting in paradise,” to rousing applause.

Some more choice quotes:

“Mohammad was a pervert,” “Mohammad was a false prophet,” “Are you a child molester,” “Do you beat up your wife too?,” and my favorite “We’re patriotic Americans and we love the Constitution.”

Here’s the text from the video:

On Sunday, February 13, 2011 ICNA Relief (an American Muslim relief organization) held a dinner event in Yorba Linda, CA to raise money for women’s shelters, and to help relieve homelessness and hunger in the U.S.

A few hundred protesters showed up, harrasing those attending as they walked to and from the event hall. Elected officials also attended and spoke at the protest.

The protest was sponsored by extremist and hate groups such as a local Tea Party group called, “We Surround Them OC 912,” Rabbi David Eliezrie of Chabad - Yorba Linda, NOrth Orange County Conservative Coalition, ACT! for American, and Pamela Geller, among others.

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53 comments

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:33:56am

Hideous. just hideous.

I hope people realize that the mask is coming off of a nascent Nazi movement in America. That is what this is.

Don't kid yourself.

Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:34:46am

Behold this example of American exceptionalism!

Stauff Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:35:48am

Read the description on the Youtube video for a lot more detail about this.

tigger2005 Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:40:36am

I would make one change here. Deborah Pauly is a councilwoman not a Congresswoman. We can only hope that most politicians at the Congressional level would not be party to something like this.

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:42:30am

re: #4 tigger2005

I would make one change here. Deborah Pauly is a councilwoman not a Congresswoman. We can only hope that most politicians at the Congressional level would not be party to something like this.

The guy @ the end of the video is a US Representative. Unfortunately all bases are covered.

Stauff Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:44:04am

re: #4 tigger2005

Fixed, thanks. It is Congressman Ed Royce (Republican) who blames multiculteralism for our society not prospering.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:51:37am

re: #6 Stauff

Fixed, thanks. It is Congressman Ed Royce (Republican) who blames multiculteralism for our society not prospering.

We will make the ~~Fatherland~~ America pure for real ~~Germans~~ Americans, who aren't mixed with lesser races and cultures.

theheat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:52:50am

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

I hope people realize that the mask is coming off of a nascent Nazi movement in America. That is what this is.

As an atheist, I have something common with other religions and people of color: if you aren't a white fundie Christian, you're shit.

This is what it's come to.

Randall Gross Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:59:27am

There actual pedophilia practiced by Catholic Priests, but you won't find these dimwit haters outside of Catholic Church

Stauff Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:00:53am

re: #8 theheat

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.” -Sinclair Lewis, 1935

Randall Gross Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:02:04am

Need something to get those hideous banshee chants out of my head

Youtube Video

The Left Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:37:55am

re: #11 Thanos

Need something to get those hideous banshee chants out of my head

[Video]

Don't insult banshees. :)

Youtube Video

shecky Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:55:31am

Move over, Fred Phelps. These assholes from OC are stiff competition for the Most Repugnant award.

simoom Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:00:39am

Some local TV station raw footage (chants of "go home terrorists"):

Youtube Video

Local TV news report of the event:

Youtube Video

Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:01:35am

Wow. I just finished watching. Truly horrible.

There is some context here, that CAIR left out in the description of their video.

The speakers for the ICNA fundraiser really are extremists. Amir Abdel Malik Ali is an open supporter of terrorism; I've posted several videos here showing him saying absolutely disgusting things. And Siraj Wahhaj, although he has toned down his rhetoric in recent years, also has a long history of encouraging militant Islamic ideology.

But no context can excuse what those protesters did. That was an open display of pure hatred. Sickening. When these Neanderthals behave this way, they make it easier for people like Malik Ali to get away with what they're doing; they give the extremists cover.

The so-called 'anti-jihad movement' has become a movement of unadulterated bigotry, often driven by fundamentalist Christian fanaticism. That was as bad as any demonstration by the Westboro Baptists.

And what the hell is wrong with Rabbi David Eliezrie? How can a rabbi encourage this kind of behavior?

What, me worry? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:03:38am

Royce is a fucking idiot, "We've been taught in school not to criticize other's positions no matter how odious. And they call that multi-culturalism."

What do they know of multi-culturalism? Yorba Linda is predominately white. 89.7% are non-Hispanic and of those, 74.8% are white only.

[Link: censtats.census.gov...]

They don't want brown people anywhere near them. And there's a rabbi here? Truly, I'm sick.

It's called tolerance. It's called teaching your children that there is a way to agree and disagree with someone. What is the difference between these adults and the elementary school bully on the playground? Nothing at all.

Why don't they have some interfaith activities with each other. Why don't they become friends with their fellow Americans. It makes me weep.

What, me worry? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:05:31am

re: #15 Charles

And what the hell is wrong with Rabbi David Eliezrie? How can a rabbi encourage this kind of behavior?

I don't know. I was just googling him to see who he is. I'm going to find the Temple and write him. It's sickening.

Malik Ali was in there? I stopped watching after Royce.

Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:07:06am

re: #17 marjoriemoon

I don't know. I was just googling him to see who he is. I'm going to find the Temple and write him. It's sickening.

Malik Ali was in there? I stopped watching after Royce.

Malik Ali was one of the speakers at the MPAC fundraiser.

Stauff Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:07:07am

re: #17 marjoriemoon

Malik Ali was the person they were protesting against.

Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:09:19am

Sorry - it was an ICNA fundraiser, not MPAC.

Max Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:09:47am

These people have no clue what it means to be an American. They might as well burn those flags and spit on the Constitution, it would be a lesser disgrace.

simoom Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:10:26am

re: #14 simoom

...
Local TV news report of the event:

[Video]

After footage of protesters blowing the Shofar:

Protestor: It's also used in battle, to announce to the enemy, that God's army is coming.

Sheesh.

jaunte Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:12:09am

re: #22 simoom

[Link: www.stlyrics.com...]

What, me worry? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:23:35am

re: #19 Stauff

Malik Ali was the person they were protesting against.

Ahh didn't catch that. That's why the Rabbi was there, I'm sure.

Ali is awful. A vicious anti-Semite. He shows up at the Irvine campuses as recently as last year and calls Jews Nazis.

Michael McBacon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:29:42am

Not to mention open calls for genocide:
"...I know quite a few marines who will be very happy to help these terrorists to an early meeting in paradise."
-Deborah Pauly

Max Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:32:13am

It's been five minutes, and this vile vitriolic vexation is still running through my head. Before I watched the video, I thought that maybe you guys were just being hyperbolic, but you weren't. I feel ill.

What, me worry? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:32:33am

Ok... some context.

Waqas Sayed (Islamic Circle of America) said in Simoom's video "They have some views which may or may not be political or which we may or may not agree with." I'm sorry, that isn't good enough.

I would be piping mad if anyone brought Malik Ali to support any cause, charity or whatever. The man truly is evil. He's lower than dirt. It would be like finding out David Duke wants to save the whales and having him speak at a PETA event. I DON'T THINK SO LOL

What, me worry? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:34:37am

Yeesh, couldn't they have brought in anyone who wasn't so controversial?

simoom Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:42:54am

re: #28 marjoriemoon

ICNA's guest speakers were an unsavory lot, but the protesters certainly didn't stay focused on their objections to those speakers. Instead the whole thing devolved into a much more indiscriminant display of nationalism & bigotry.

What, me worry? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:47:18am

re: #29 simoom

ICNA's guest speakers were an unsavory lot, but the protesters certainly didn't stay focused on their objections to those speakers. Instead the whole thing devolved into a much more indiscriminant display of nationalism & bigotry.

But that's what happens, unfortunately. They aren't going to channel their anger in the right way. Angry mobs just don't do that. And with the children there, awful.

For me, it's absolutely fair to protest anywhere where Ali is. I don't know the other guy, but he didn't sound good either. It certainly would have been better to have signs specifically criticizing them. They didn't do that and it makes the protesters look like bigots, which I think some of them must be anyway. Yorba Linda is not a multi-cultural place by any stretch of the imagination.

What, me worry? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:57:24am

Here are some of Charles' links to Ali from here (and others). Or you can find him on Youtube if you think I'm exaggerating.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Here's one of the last speeches he gave. May 2010. I can't get through all of this. It's unadulterated hatred.

Youtube Video

The Muslim Student Union has been suspended for various hateful actions, including this one.

Of course Ali is just as vicious as the protesters who were chanting so the question is, is anyone going to act like the grown up?

pimasecede Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:58:52am

im not sure, but i think i saw a sign that said 'no womens equality'. can any one see it? around 0:56

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 12:09:04pm

hate has always been in orange county, it's just had a handjob by the GOP so it's real perky now

Bob Levin Thu, Mar 3, 2011 12:46:56pm

re: #31 marjoriemoon

No I don't think anyone will act like a grown up. (I know it was a rhetorical question.) There is this thing in American culture when it comes to cameras. People will either quickly try to get out of the way (there are the grown ups), the others will start acting like they are on Jerry Springer and just lose all sense of proportion.

Clearly this was being filmed, not just by CAIR, but by the group themselves. That's why there was the posed speeches.

I think it's good that they are being called haters and fascists, just to give them a sense of perspective. If they weren't so interested in getting on camera, and were seriously wondering what was going on inside, then someone would have gone inside and listened. Or, if they were so sure that what was happening was evil, then again, someone would have gone inside to listen.

But the cameras were on the outside.

HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 1:06:13pm

Bigotry and hatred are just fine as long as the targets are Muslims. I'd hate to be an American Muslim right now. The way they've been dehumanized by these assholes is just scary and it's getting worse not better. There needs to be a Buckley calling out the Birchers moment where someone prominent on the right calls out this bigotry for what it is and gets people's attention. There have been those who have criticized the right's anti Muslim bigotry but they (Grover Norquist, Suhail Khan) have been rewarded with insuitation that they themselves are Jihaids. It's enough to make you sick.

SpaceJesus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 1:12:22pm

re: #10 Stauff

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.” -Sinclair Lewis, 1935

this. this a million fucking times.

HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 1:18:25pm

re: #36 SpaceJesus

this. this a million fucking times.

You know, in a way I think Lewis kinda cheated by making that quote. The KKK had already did that in the 20's well before he made that quote. He was right though.

What, me worry? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 1:18:30pm

re: #34 Bob Levin

No I don't think anyone will act like a grown up. (I know it was a rhetorical question.) There is this thing in American culture when it comes to cameras. People will either quickly try to get out of the way (there are the grown ups), the others will start acting like they are on Jerry Springer and just lose all sense of proportion.

Clearly this was being filmed, not just by CAIR, but by the group themselves. That's why there was the posed speeches.

I think it's good that they are being called haters and fascists, just to give them a sense of perspective. If they weren't so interested in getting on camera, and were seriously wondering what was going on inside, then someone would have gone inside and listened. Or, if they were so sure that what was happening was evil, then again, someone would have gone inside to listen.

But the cameras were on the outside.

Filmed and heavily edited.

Ali would make me really crazed tho, if I saw him. I wouldn't be able to sit and listen to him speak. I don't care if he was talking about kittens and lollypops. I'd open my big mouth and it wouldn't be pretty.

So I understand the rage. On the other hand, taking it out on the Muslim congregation is pathetic.

I have a pretty close friend who is Muslim. I've known him many years, but we don't get to see each other much. I ran into him on the street the other day. Both of us were pressed for time, and I really wanted to talk about the protests in the Arab countries.

In the short time we had, I asked him what he thought of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and if he thought they had any influence. He said, "You know, I heard about them on TV, but I know nothing about them. I never heard of them before this."

My friend was born and raised in Lebanon. He's Lebanese/Syrian, but spent his teens and 20s in Venezuela. Smart guy, speaks 5 languages. My point is, he's not a schlub. He's worldly, yet he said this about the M.B.

We forget that people don't always know what we think they should know, nor do they feel how we think they should feel. And if you're screaming at them, you'll never find out what they think at all.

SpaceJesus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 1:23:12pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

he was right about the right

Bob Levin Thu, Mar 3, 2011 1:33:50pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

I think these folks are on the verge of just being thought of as incredibly stupid.

Here's an example. Two stories on the news last night. One, our state is cutting, by quite a bit, a program for college scholarship. This is a very serious issue. The long a short term effects are huge, and will impact every facet of living here.

The next story was about a state legislator bringing up a bill to make President Obama show us his birth certificate. Everyone in the state understands, really understands, the importance of the first story. And by contrast, this legislator isn't doing his job--at all, blinded by his own stupidity. I think people understand this.

If someone runs against this guy, there's the negative campaign, fiddling while Rome burns.

Bob Levin Thu, Mar 3, 2011 1:52:28pm

re: #38 marjoriemoon

And if you're screaming at them, you'll never find out what they think at all.

Right. When I was younger, there were maybe six protests a day. College, all within walking distance of each other. And the protests weren't all one point of view. I'd stand around, listen to the rhetoric, and then ask individuals how much they believed all of the rhetoric. Turns out, not too many were true believers.

Let's compare this to the classic fascist footage, Leni Riefenstahl's films. Those are indeed frightening--because you can easily see how people could be inspired by these films. This group is a nasty audience from Let's Make a Deal. The only thing this might inspire is the desire to stay home the next time a protest is announced.

Such events are frightening when you, who do not in any way agree with the group, are tempted to show up at the next one. That's the fire alarm.

Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 3, 2011 1:56:05pm

Disgraceful. This is what a real patriot had to say to nitwits like Pauly and Royce:

Youtube Video

HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 2:08:11pm

re: #39 SpaceJesus

he was right about the right

Sure as hell was.

What, me worry? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 2:29:10pm

re: #41 Bob Levin

Right. When I was younger, there were maybe six protests a day. College, all within walking distance of each other. And the protests weren't all one point of view. I'd stand around, listen to the rhetoric, and then ask individuals how much they believed all of the rhetoric. Turns out, not too many were true believers.

Let's compare this to the classic fascist footage, Leni Riefenstahl's films. Those are indeed frightening--because you can easily see how people could be inspired by these films. This group is a nasty audience from Let's Make a Deal. The only thing this might inspire is the desire to stay home the next time a protest is announced.

Such events are frightening when you, who do not in any way agree with the group, are tempted to show up at the next one. That's the fire alarm.

Indeed. hehe Let's Make a Deal goes Racist! Come on down! (oop wrong show).

I wrote to the Chabad rabbi and asked if they do any interfaith activities together. We'll see if they respond. I told them that although I think Malik Ali is horrifying, this group isn't winning and friends for the cause, or at least friends that you would want to have.

Other than a few presidential rallies, I've only been to 2 Israeli rallies. I had a good time, but they were non-eventful. Both were Chabad rallies.

HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 2:37:24pm

re: #40 Bob Levin

I think these folks are on the verge of just being thought of as incredibly stupid.

Here's an example. Two stories on the news last night. One, our state is cutting, by quite a bit, a program for college scholarship. This is a very serious issue. The long a short term effects are huge, and will impact every facet of living here.

The next story was about a state legislator bringing up a bill to make President Obama show us his birth certificate. Everyone in the state understands, really understands, the importance of the first story. And by contrast, this legislator isn't doing his job--at all, blinded by his own stupidity. I think people understand this.

If someone runs against this guy, there's the negative campaign, fiddling while Rome burns.

God, I hope you're right. I just wish we could have real discussion about real issues and not silly nonsense about where the President grew up or whatever.

Bob Levin Thu, Mar 3, 2011 3:03:27pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Yeah, but that discussion isn't going to happen on a parking lot with cameras.

You're getting your degree in Poli Sci, do I have that right? Anyway, it is sooo difficult to 'take power' in this country. There are about a 1000 different levels of government, so many representatives who don't have time to worry about anything beyond their next re-election, which totally consists of pandering, not leading. Then there is the equally as extensive legal system, the more extensive 'network' of government bureaus, law enforcement, and then multiply all of that by 50. And I haven't even gotten started on the Federal level.

And there is no concept of 'working for the good of the State'. Rather, the government signs the paycheck, and it better be on time.

But the churches get the headlines. You know the joke about Congress, being Hollywood for ugly people? Well, churches have their own little version of Tinseltown. The puddle might be wide, but it ain't deep.

HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 3:19:31pm

re: #46 Bob Levin

Yeah, but that discussion isn't going to happen on a parking lot with cameras.

You're getting your degree in Poli Sci, do I have that right? Anyway, it is sooo difficult to 'take power' in this country. There are about a 1000 different levels of government, so many representatives who don't have time to worry about anything beyond their next re-election, which totally consists of pandering, not leading. Then there is the equally as extensive legal system, the more extensive 'network' of government bureaus, law enforcement, and then multiply all of that by 50. And I haven't even gotten started on the Federal level.

And there is no concept of 'working for the good of the State'. Rather, the government signs the paycheck, and it better be on time.

But the churches get the headlines. You know the joke about Congress, being Hollywood for ugly people? Well, churches have their own little version of Tinseltown. The puddle might be wide, but it ain't deep.

Nah, history. Know a whole bunch of government majors though. I just wish we had more reasoned discourse. As a student of history, I know that we haven't been a truly captialistic country ever or if we ever were in that direction it was a period that great economic inequalities existed.

Bob Levin Thu, Mar 3, 2011 3:49:59pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

As a student of history, I know that we haven't been a truly captialistic country ever or if we ever were in that direction it was a period that great economic inequalities existed.

That's another good point. We are not ideological, much more practical. So even though you could say we haven't been capitalist, we are inventive, and folks make money from those inventions, and it improves our quality of life. And we like to figure it out as we go.

During the era of the robber barons (I assume that's the era you referred to regarding economic inequalities), our development was very uneven. First you had the centralization of vital industries, which needed to be done, and then everyone had to react to that, with the building of a proper infrastructure, the creation of a middle class, more distribution of power, and so on.

Plus, we don't do dynasties. The Rockefellers are not hurting, but when Nelson had to disclose his assets before Congress, everyone was shocked over how little they owned.

However, our scientific growth is astoundingly dynamic, and competition is fierce (one industry being superseded by a more technologically advanced version). It's now how Adam Smith thought it would work, or Marx either, for that matter. But it's how we do things.

palomino Thu, Mar 3, 2011 3:53:23pm

Orange County has always been a little like Alabama. They've sent extremists like Royce and Bob Dornan to Congress for decades. It was the only major county in CA to go for McCain in 08 (just to put that in perspective, nearly all of the large counties in Texas went for Obama). So it's a far right island in the CA sea of blue. And I'd bet the protesters had a large TP contingent.

Still, this is repugnant. And I don't see it getting better soon, because the minorities these reactionaries hate are growing and immigrating at a much higher rate than "good old white Christians".

Part of the nation is whipped into a frenzy because, like imbeciles all over, they think Obama is Muslim. But a lot of this is basically a "my god vs. your god" conflict. Few things are more destructive.

Michael Orion Powell Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:19:56pm

George Wallace was more conciliatory.

Michael Orion Powell Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:21:32pm

re: #49 palomino

Orange County has always been a little like Alabama. They've sent extremists like Royce and Bob Dornan to Congress for decades. It was the only major county in CA to go for McCain in 08 (just to put that in perspective, nearly all of the large counties in Texas went for Obama). So it's a far right island in the CA sea of blue. And I'd bet the protesters had a large TP contingent.

San Diego has traditionally been more conservative leaning, but really just as a result of having so many military bases in the area.

electrotek Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:58:11pm

Hi guys, this is my first post on LGF. Just wanted to pop my posting cherry by posting the Facebook album of the protest.

Here ya go

Prepare to be disgusted even more.

APox Fri, Mar 4, 2011 7:47:52am

I always thought one of the strongest points in the Bible is that "you are your brother's keeper."

How sad to see this type of stuff, "Go back home?" Where do you think their home is exactly? Probably right down the road.

This is really shameful stuff. And it just paints Americans as a bigoted people, great talking point for the real terrorists.

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