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1 sliv_the_eli  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:41:49pm

Many (most?) LGF-ers live in a country (U.S.A.) that is largely ignorant of science issues, in general, and that, in the realm of politics, responds more to catchy slogans and talking points than to complex explanations of the scientific basis for any particular policy choice. All things being equal, I would expect liberals to be as "anti-science" when it comes to liberal hot-button issues as conservatives are when it comes to to conservative hot-button issues.

2 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:42:07pm

If something good could come out of this, I would hope it would be a huge, huge push to get Thorium reactors up and running. I'm all in favor of the technology, given how much safer it is compared to traditional nuclear plants.

3 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:46:25pm

Btw: David Brin has a great blog, mostly about his writing but occasionally waxing political and usually on an angle that most hadn't thought about.

[Link: www.davidbrin.com...]

4 MinisterO  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:51:01pm

I doubt it. I don't run across many people who believe nuclear power is a right-wing conspiracy to take away their Prius and give it to a corporation that doesn't want to work.

5 Cankles McCellulite  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 3:35:57pm

I have absolutely seen science deniers on the left, and i am a leftist. Mostly when it comes to alternative medicines, vaccinations and cosmetics. I use to help design skin care and i am here to tell you the 'all natural' cosmetic industry is mostly hype. Even synthetic formulas come from something natural, from this planet. Nothing is created out of thin air or alchemy. Even televisions are made with materials that exist somewhere in the physical world. I have heard people complain about awful sounding 'chemicals' on the ingredient lists and yes many 'chemicals' are bad for your skin, but so are many so called natural materials. Poison ivy is very 'natural' but you don't want to rub it on your face. A lot people get hung up on the sinister sounding chemical names and say stuff like, "that has Salicylic acid it, that sounds unnatural" Yes it comes from a Latin word salix which means the 'sinister' bark of a willow tree. Even the word 'puppy' sounds sinister and unnatural in Latin. That being said, the left is no where near as unbelievably anti science as the the right.

6 aagcobb  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 3:57:55pm

Right now, fear of reactor meltdowns and radiation escape don't exactly look unjustifiable.

7 MinisterO  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 4:57:59pm

There's no implicit disdain for science in the anti-nuclear position. The anti-nuke people don't deny nuclear physics. Nor do they accuse the entire scientific community of data fabrication, corruption, group-think, incompetence and a secret world-domination plot.

It's still a face-palm moment when you read that nuclear power costs more and has a larger carbon footprint than coal.

8 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 10:58:34pm

What is there to deny, specifically? The basic argument of objecting nuclear energy is that 1) it cannot be outruled that accidents will occur which have not been anticipated and dealt with at the design and building stage of nuclear power plants, and that 2) accidents with this technology can reach a magnitude of disaster that is simply unacceptable.

9 Laughing Gas  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 12:03:46am

Just don't build any reactors near the coast on a faultline.

10 Spocomptonite  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 1:31:02am

re: #2 publicityStunted

If something good could come out of this, I would hope it would be a huge, huge push to get Thorium reactors up and running. I'm all in favor of the technology, given how much safer it is compared to traditional nuclear plants.

YES. THIS. Not only just Thorium as a fuel source (which is a self-breeding decay chain), but molten salt as the coolant. From a physics standpoint, using water is a downright stupid idea. Why use something that turns to gas at 100 degrees to cool something that naturally operates at a few thousand degrees? Molten salt could be used without problem at a few thousand degrees. The only reason water was used is because it was cheap and easy... which given what we now know of fallout and radiation, cheap and easy is NOT the way to go at a nuclear power plant.

11 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:31:38am

Can liberals be science deniers? I guarantee it, and not just with regards to nuclear power.

*balances a crystal on my head while running colored lights all over my skin and popping all-natural arsenic pills*


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