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1 shutdown  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 3:25:32pm

I read a great book by Amin Maalouf: Les Croisades vues par les Arabes (the Crusades as seen by the Arabs).
I don’t know if it has been translated into English, but if you can handle French, it is a worthwhile read.

2 theheat  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 3:48:35pm
All of you deviant, traitorous, seditious, Sharia-loving, Christian America-hating lefties should be ashamed of yourselves!

But I’m not, though. Not in the least.

In many ways Muslims and atheists in America are on similar footing: the galvanized wingnuts hate our guts, and we’re taunted and humiliated for following our Constitutionally protected beliefs, different though they may be.

3 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 3:49:38pm

re: #1 imp_62

Yes, it has indeed been translated into English. It’s been on my Amazon list of history books for a long time, but I keep forgetting about it.

Thanks for recommending it. I think I’ll move it into my shopping cart so I’ll remember to order it soon.

4 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 3:54:34pm

re: #2 theheat

But I’m not, though. Not in the least.

In many ways Muslims and atheists in America are on similar footing: the galvanized wingnuts hate our guts, and we’re taunted and humiliated for following our Constitutionally protected beliefs, different though they may be.

That’s so true. Night before last I said almost the exact same thing to a Muslim friend of mine. She’s pretty much completely unaware of the scale of what’s happening politically. Or I should say she was unaware—I gave her an earful to impress upon her that she needs to pay more attention.

5 theheat  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 4:00:32pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

The wingnuts need an enemy, and anyone who isn’t them will suffice.

6 Warberg  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:14:04pm

If Ridley Scott’s ‘Kingdom of Heaven’ represents the mainstream perception of the crusades, there is indeed an anti-christian bias taking place. What an awfully naive movie. Not as bad is Robin Hood though.

7 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:08:06pm

Asking Santorum about the Crusades, you may as well ask a chimp

8 researchok  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:50:59pm

Like the man says, after a 1000 years assigning blame (or claiming credit) is a preposterous proposition.

To have to rely on arguments that are predicated on self serving historical interpretations and convoluted reasoning are the tools of fools who want nothing more than to promote their own agenda.

Reality and progress mean nothing to them.

9 nines09  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:31:37pm

Well Fuck ME, Rick! Didn’t know reality was a challenged idea in your world. Shit! I say round them up and give them the chance to denounce the false/not mine/your/their/unclean/wrong/distant/animist/female/amphibian/insect/varied/

god

they follow. They know the consequence. Right? Rick? The separation of church and state saves us all from YOU and THEM and OTHERS and INSANITY. Fucking ignorant pandering asshole.

10 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:49:09pm

It needs to be pointed out that innocent Jews and Eastern Rite Christians were massacred by the Crusaders. Santorum really is a jackass. It’s sad that this guy is a candidate of a major party for president. Remains to be seen how he does but still.

11 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:11:17pm

re: #6 Warberg

If Ridley Scott’s ‘Kingdom of Heaven’ represents the mainstream perception of the crusades, there is indeed an anti-christian bias taking place. What an awfully naive movie. Not as bad is Robin Hood though.

Did you read the article? The author wasn’t talking about some Hollywood version of the Crusades or placing undue blame on Christians, he was talking about Santorum’s idiotic attempt to drag 1000-year old history into modern politics.

Perhaps if you can recommend a good wine to go with that plate of red herring you’re offering, people will be more inclined to nibble.

If you’re truly concerned about anti-Christian bias, then remember: LGF Pages are free for all registered users. There’s nothing preventing you from seizing this as an opportunity to write an essay highlighting where you think the problem lies and indicating why it’s historically incorrect.

12 shutdown  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:35:36pm

re: #11 CuriousLurker

Well written, but I do take issue with one point you make. Wine will never, ever go with herring. I recommend Aquavit or Kirsch.

13 hellosnackbar  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:34:53am

Everyday one reads some idiotic hogwash promoted by GOP representatives.
No small wonder that LGF has disowned these cretins in favour of common sense!

14 celticdragon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:40:48am

re: #11 CuriousLurker

Did you read the article? The author wasn’t talking about some Hollywood version of the Crusades or placing undue blame on Christians, he was talking about Santorum’s idiotic attempt to drag 1000-year old history into modern politics.

Perhaps if you can recommend a good wine to go with that plate of red herring you’re offering, people will be more inclined to nibble.

If you’re truly concerned about anti-Christian bias, then remember: LGF Pages are free for all registered users. There’s nothing preventing you from seizing this as an opportunity to write an essay highlighting where you think the problem lies and indicating why it’s historically incorrect.

Quoted for truth.

15 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:31:46am

The dim view of the Crusades was not originated by Al Qaeda, CAIR, or atheistic media lefties:

History in her solemn page informs us, that the Crusaders were but ignorant and savage men, that their motives were those of bigotry unmitigated, and that their pathway was one of blood and tears. Romance, on the other hand, dilates upon their piety and heroism, and portrays, in her most glowing and impassioned hues, their virtue and magnanimity, the imperishable honour they acquired for themselves, and the great services they rendered to Christianity.


Charles MacKay in EXTRAORDINARY POPULAR DELUSIONS AND THE Madness of Crowds. 1844
MacKay was a devout Christian, btw.

This passage is so well-known because it was quoted by Kurt Vonnegut in Slaughterhouse Five.

16 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:59:35am

Thanks for this—no doubt it’ll make for some very interesting reading.


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