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1 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 6:29:03am

Previously: [Link:]

2 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 6:35:17am

re: #1 000G

Previously: [Link:]

Still, DD is calling attention to an important point. For Nothaus ('von' is only used with an individual's full name or title) to have produced gold coins and called them "Liberty Dollars" like that was indeed illegal (and has always been so), but U.S. Attorney Tompkins need not have called it what he did. Better to just call the man a counterfeiter and leave it at that.

3 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 6:45:53am

Counterfeiting is not the only issue at hand here.

4 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 6:48:26am

re: #3 000G

Counterfeiting is not the only issue at hand here.

Yes--I'm more focused on the inevitable abuse of 'Patriot Act' thinking.

5 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 6:52:00am

re: #4 Decatur Deb

Yes--I'm more focused on the inevitable abuse of 'Patriot Act' thinking.

How do you mean?

6 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 6:54:45am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

How do you mean?

Economic non-violent crime=terrorism, and "disruption" of oprganizations the police authority deems a challenge.

7 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 7:06:38am

Politico picked it up: [Link:]

This should make some waves.

8 Randall Gross  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 8:03:58am

BTW: while you would never copy an AP or other news story whole hog, it's entirely ok to grab and publish the entire FBI press release. Documents released in this form to the public from our government are public domain.

9 Randall Gross  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 8:09:05am

Also note that during the Bush II terms many were making this same charge of terrorism against North Korea for their counterfeiting, and I don't think it;s a stretch of the charge.

10 Randall Gross  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 8:11:55am

An example, this was easy to find


11 Randall Gross  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 8:16:31am

Also note one of the conditions of removing NK from the state sponsors of terrorism list was for them to stop counterfeiting US dollars.


12 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 9:51:39am

re: #9 Thanos

re: #11 Thanos

re: #10 Thanos

Note that the concern was mostly the use of counterfeit income to finance violent (truly terrorist) acts. Calling non-violent, non-fear generating crimes "terrorism" was BS when Pres Bush did it, and it's BS if Pres Obama's people do it.

13 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 10:20:41am

No violence means no terrorism. US State Department definition:

From U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d)

(d) Definitions
As used in this section—
(1) the term “international terrorism” means terrorism involving citizens or the territory of more than 1 country;
(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;
(3) the term “terrorist group” means any group, or which has significant subgroups which practice, international terrorism;
(4) the terms “territory” and “territory of the country” mean the land, waters, and airspace of the country; and
(5) the terms “terrorist sanctuary” and “sanctuary” mean an area in the territory of the country—
(A) that is used by a terrorist or terrorist organization—
(i) to carry out terrorist activities, including training, fundraising, financing, and recruitment; or
(ii) as a transit point; and
(B) the government of which expressly consents to, or with knowledge, allows, tolerates, or disregards such use of its territory and is not subject to a determination under—
(i) section 2405(j)(1)(A) of the Appendix to title 50;
(ii) section 2371 (a) of this title; or
(iii) section 2780 (d) of this title.

Defense Department definition (note it excludes consideration of civilians):

The Department of Defense Dictionary of Military Terms defines terrorism as:

The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

14 Joanne  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 11:15:44am

A SC state senator just last week introduce a state bill to replace US currency with gold/silver based currency.


Sorry about the full link, I'm on my iPhone.

15 Joanne  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 11:19:26am

re: #14 JustJay

Disregard the full link thing. I think this is the first time I posted a link and didn't realize it would be auto shrunk. :-)

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