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1 Bob Dillon  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:23:38am

Part of your description is how oil exploration is carried out. And further mirrors troubleshooting techniques in electronics. Never heard it called this before. Cool - math btw - rules.

2 Bob Dillon  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:47:59am

A wife asks her husband, a computer engineer, "Could you please go shopping for me and buy one carton of milk, and if they have eggs, get 6."

A short time later the husband comes back with 6 cartons of milk.

The wife asks him, "Why the heck did you buy 6 cartons of milk?

He replied, "They had eggs."

3 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:53:01am

re: #1 Bobibutu
It has a huge range of applications. Doing it in reverse is possible also, purposely changing a signal from its original form. That is convolution. For example if you wanted to add noise to a signal that cancels known noise in a particular transmission channel.

re: #2 Bobibutu
LOL.

What's the matter Transfromnation? Don't think computers doing math can "transform our nation"? Think I'm too haughty? Don't like lots of words? Let us know! ;)

4 Bob Dillon  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:15:57am

re: #3 prononymous

Don't think computers doing math can "transform our nation"?

Of war, Boyd said, “Machines don't fight wars. People do, and they use their minds.” The same can be said of business. While business is not war, it is a form of conflict, a situation where one group can win only if another group loses. Beneath Boyd’s war-centered tactics is a general strategy for ensuring that in most any type of conflict, the group using his strategy will be the one that wins.

Boyd’s philosophy is built around two primary themes:

...

[Link: www.jaddams.com...]

5 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:32:14am

re: #4 Bobibutu

Yes, competition is a form of conflict. But I'd argue that businesses then working together would be a type of symbiosis. Even those have an evolutionary war of sorts sometimes. Most of the stuff I learn will become public, though of course not all. An image deconvolution tool might I use is open source, for example.

I don't know if many people really know what a global crash of fishing will be like or how soon some think it is coming. I wont keep technology that could feed millions private. I'll try to spread any techniques I find to vulnerable areas. Overfishing and ocean acidification could be a fatal mistake, IMO.

6 Slap  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:49:50am

Wonderful thoughts, very nicely presented.

And I'd be willing to bet that many HS students who are scoring reasonably well in math and science would not be able to follow your prose coherently. You clearly have a balance of analytical knowledge, understanding of mathematical principles, and an impressive set of verbal skills.

I constantly see articles and hear speeches extolling the virtues of math and science education and the need for their emphasis. Hear, hear, say I.

What I don't see or hear very often is people stressing the need for advanced reading comprehension. We seem, as a society, content to have college graduates with 8th-grade level reading and verbal skills -- as long as they do well in math and biology!

I know we have educators amongst our Lizardim, and I'd certainly be curious about their take. As an observer, although I absolutely decry the loss of music and athletic programs in schools across the country, I am very concerned that we may have an entire generation or two who will be utterly unable to comprehend laws or contracts, or to even begin to understand how to navigate political double-talk. How did we get to the point where heavy emphasis on voluminous reading seems to have fallen by the wayside?

Once again, very nice piece.

7 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:23:26am

re: #6 Slap

Thanks for your thoughts. I imagine that my language turns most readers off. But as I said I think there is a cultural component to it.

I trend toward a synthesis of ideas. These examples show how mathematics, chemistry, optics, and computers could be combined to utilize existing ideas for new goals in biology.

In schools I feel that we are trying to make everyone too alike. Not everyone is going to be good at math or give a flip about history (both things I like). IMO kids should be observed during their early years and directed into various programs that teach them about skills, arts, science, etc. And have the choice to pick a mixed path even. I think math should presented in a fun way so if it does appeal it can always be pursued. But someone can always learn something like calculus later on the most massive library ever, the internet, if they feel like they missed something.

8 Bob Dillon  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:28:03am

re: #5 prononymous

If you are a starving student I will gift you "Certain To Win" thru Amazon - let me know where you want it sent to. Link is on. The concepts and principles that you will learn from it will turbocharge your efforts to success. If you have the bucks yourself - get it - it will be a profound asset.

I had the great fortune to roam mostly SE Asia for ~10+ years back in the 60s & 70s. Coral reefs were pristine - I spent little time in populated areas - it was also the pre chainsaw era. The contrast of what I directly experienced over that 10 years then, plus what I see and read via the net now was and continues to be frightening. So much so that in '79 I had a serious discussion with my wife as to whether it was wise to bring a child into this world with what I saw happening to the planet. (Our daughter will be 31 next month). It was wise, but there are challenges she will have to face, long after I am gone, that I am still preparing her for.

We have hosed the ocean - that was evident when I was in the Navy and we did an Atlantic crossing in '62.

I wish you well in your efforts - you have some great toys to play with - but its your mind that does all the heavy lifting.

9 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:48:40am

re: #8 Bobibutu

My funding is fine for now, thank you. I'm sure a real starving student could use that. :) I am swamped reading things of a more technical nature, but to good ends.

The oceans are so massive, but we hardly know anything about them. Yet we might collapse some ecosystems without thought. It's crazy, imo. Did you know that some food fishes have been measured to live to 150+ years? They aren't even mature until 30 or something like that. And yet we were just trawling the bottom for them en masse. Not much was known about them besides that they lived in deep water, were tasty, and were extremely plentiful, until they weren't so plentiful of course. Then we find out that we are chowing down on fishes that can live for about as long as the oldest humans.

I'll definitely be doing some expeditions around the pacific. Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands being among other obvious choices.

10 Bob Dillon  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:54:31pm

re: #9 prononymous

Yes - I lived in Alaska for 5 years. The factory boats disgusted me. I must confess that one of the first thots that crossed my mind after seeing all the small to massive fishing boats put out of commission in Japan was - "at least the fish will get a short break now".

You will enjoy your time on your expeditions - I have posted some experiences on LGF. My stompin' grounds for the years prior to returning to the U.S. were primarily from Sumatra to (then) Irian Jaya and all in between. When you are really "out there" the night sky can be seen as it should be (without any light pollution). Pack a mini telescope with you if you can - my only regret - just having binoculars and a 300 mm camera lens.

11 Bill Nye: People Magazine 'Sexiest Man Alive'  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:41:35pm

Love it, love it, love it!

12 RadicalModerate  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:44:44pm

And I had an "Emily Latella" moment by reading this headline as
"Meth is lame. When will I ever use it anyway?"


nevermind.

13 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 4:29:15pm

Science is lame. It's going to work whether I learn it or not.

I don't have to know that the gravitational constant is 9.8m per second squared to know not to drop the eggs, right?

I'll just sit back and pretend it's all magic. More fun that way.

14 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:28:25pm

MATH IS CRITICAL IN MUSIC

not that you NEED to know it, but if you ever want to know what is actually happening with sound, how it travels, how it bounces, how it makes chords and how to figure out odd time sigs

15 Querent  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:33:46pm

Math is calisthenics for the brain.

(says the Lizard who had to repeat Algebra. Both times.)

16 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:30:25pm

re: #10 Bobibutu
I want to buy an Apo refractor telescope some day. Though I would be wary of taking such an item on a trip like that. A small travel telescope and microscope would be ideal.

re: #13 EmmmieG
Science class should have taught you how to drop an egg without breaking it. ;)

re: #14 WindUpBird
Deconvolution has huge applications in music. As a wacky example, an audiophile could theoretically measure the distortion added by the amp, speakers, room, etc and then pre-convolute the sound being played so it reverses the distortions added by that particular equipment in that particular place. I'd be like an audiophile version of a rat rod.

re: #15 Querent
I haven't done very well in math class either. But learning about math is worthwhile even if you can't run the calculations yourself. Today computers do most of the heavy calculation anyway, just understand the math in a way that helps you know about the data being input/output.


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