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1 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Apr 2, 2011 3:02:13pm

If one thinks a public utility is socialism... This is it. I just see it as infrastructure unsuitable for unfettered private management. Like highways. Water. Electricity grids. Hyperion or thorium. Spend more time on fusion. Just the serious pursuit of fusion will teach us lessons applicable all over the place.

2 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 2, 2011 3:07:47pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

Agreed. Public power has been in the US forever, and rural electrification remains one of the greatest achievements of the US government. We need a push like that.

And not just for nuclear power, but for other sustainable technologies. I think that those can be handled pretty well in the free market, as long as we actually start taxing coal and oil companies for the cleanup cost of their products. Not all at once, but over a period of time. Get them to switch their base from fossil fuels to sustainable energy through a rational tax scheme.

Pipe dream, I know, but god damn, we need it.

3 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Apr 2, 2011 3:10:23pm

re: #2 Obdicut

The moon trip was a pipe dream. We can do this. Takes vision, the interest of the public and of course the cash.

4 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 2, 2011 3:11:31pm

re: #3 Rightwingconspirator

The moon trip was a pipe dream. We can do this. Takes vision, the interest of the public and of course the cash.

Yep. That's what Obama meant about this being our Sputnik moment. I can only hope that really resonates with other people as it has for me.

5 Bob Dillon  Sat, Apr 2, 2011 3:27:51pm

I vote to give the responsibility to the Navy.

6 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 2, 2011 3:30:07pm

re: #5 Bobibutu

I vote to give the responsibility to the Navy.

At this pessimistic point I'm pretty sure the only entity that will be capable of adequately preparing the US for AGW will be the military.

7 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Apr 2, 2011 5:20:13pm

re: #6 Obdicut

At this pessimistic point I'm pretty sure the only entity that will be capable of adequately preparing the US for AGW will be the military.

They most likely have gamed out all the scenarios that are likely to come with global climate change too.

8 Bob Dillon  Sat, Apr 2, 2011 8:15:52pm

re: #7 Conservative Moonbat

Correct. Your tax dollars really at work.

9 KingKenrod  Sat, Apr 2, 2011 9:51:32pm

The story says

It’s worth noting that three major nuclear providers, Exelon, Duke Energy, and Entergy, had profits of, respectively, $2.56 billion, $1.32 billion, and $1.27 billion, in 2010.


but you said

Given the enormous capital costs and general unprofitibaility if nuke plants[...]


So it's not the lack of profit, it's the lack of true accountability, and by that I mean non-compliance should hurt big time - start dropping $10 million fines and see how fast these companies jump. And if they start to whine they can't make money, then condemn the plant as unsafe, shut it down, hold a fire sale (no pun intended), and let someone else run it. Maybe someone with a better track record of compliance.

But I disagree that a federally owned and operated plant would be built quicker or more safely run. Where's the evidence of that?

10 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 3:32:06am

re: #9 KingKenrod

So it's not the lack of profit,

No, it really is. For one thing, I said 'general'. For another, those profits are made on the back of subsidies from the government, and the only insurance provider willing to insure nuke plants is the government itself or a private company the the nuclear plant is a guarantor. Finally, the government normally guarantees a certain kilowatt-hour price for the energy produced by nuke plants.

But I disagree that a federally owned and operated plant would be built quicker or more safely run. Where's the evidence of that?

France.

And aside from that example, standardization of design is one of the key ways to bring the cost of nuke plants down. Pretty much every plant built in the US now is effectively a prototype.

11 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Apr 4, 2011 11:55:34am

Great post!


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