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1 iceweasel  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 8:02:13am

Trying to read it now. Thanks for posting.

2 iceweasel  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 8:31:05am

From the link:

In fact, something resembling execution tourism developed in the conquered territories. In addition to soldiers who were stationed nearby, local residents also came to witness the killings, sometimes even bringing along their children.

and:

It is altogether astonishing, and depressing, to realize how quickly the Nazis’ concept of racial superiority could replace the ideas and norms of the democratic prewar period. Only six years passed between the 1933 Nuremberg Race Laws, which deprived all Jews of their rights of citizenship, and the subsequent deportation and extermination.

The fact that the systematic persecution of a group that made up less than 1 percent of the German population was possible without any recognizable resistance is not evidence of the sudden immorality of mainstream society. On the contrary, this exclusion was only possible because the majority of the population did not perceive it as an act of barbarism. The persecuted group had long been perceived as no longer being a part of German society, so that their oppression was no longer seen as an issue that affected the morality of the national community, as Neitzel and Welzer argue in their book.

“From 1941 onward, the same people who had reacted with skepticism to the Nazi takeover in 1933 watched the deportation trains departing from the Grunewald train station (in Berlin),” the authors write. “Quite a few of them had already bought ‘Aryanized’ (ed’s note: seized from Jews) kitchen fittings, living room furniture and artworks. Some ran businesses or lived in buildings that had been taken away from their Jewish owners. And they felt that this was completely normal.”

Finally:

This is, as it were, the disturbing insight one reaches after reading the transcripts about killing and dying: The morality that shapes the actions of people is not rooted in the people themselves, but in the structures that surround them. If they change, everything is basically possible — even absolute evil.

Terrific and terrifying article. Thanks again— I recommended it.

3 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 8:36:08am

re: #2 iceweasel

From the link:

and:

Finally:

Terrific and terrifying article. Thanks again— I recommended it.

I hope Charles makes a thread with this one.

4 iceweasel  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 8:39:43am

re: #3 NJDhockeyfan

I hope Charles makes a thread with this one.

I hope so too. There’s a tremendous amount of important information in it and in my mind it’s certainly topical. I think you do yourself a disservice by characterising it only as showing how evil the Nazis were. What it really does is help demonstrate how evil the ”ordinary citizen” was too during that period.

5 iceweasel  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 8:42:28am

Just tweeted it, for what it’s worth. ;)


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