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1 Michael Orion Powell  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:14:57am

Okay, before anyone makes any big judgments here, in between the ridiculous shots of Islamic crescents next to a guy talking about a pagan society, remember what public schools are actually like. We’re talking about a system in which bad teachers cannot be fired, it’s easier to discipline children than adults and drop out rates in some areas like Detroit are actually over 50%. That’s not to mention that the system as a whole is still operating under a rigid, hundred year old model designed for another century.

The man who says that “giving your children over to strangers” to “shape their mind” is a “mad idea” is absolutely right. It is. Historically, parents have had far more control over shaping their children. In the public school system, children now find themselves spending the large degree of their years between five years old and eighteen years old being administered by strangers who are largely worried about their union position and pay. There are good teachers and exceptions, of course, but public school priorities are not with child well being, the extremely critical responsibility of dealing with children at a tender age, bullying, a modern curriculum, etc. They’re with maintaining careers.

Because religious schools are the main counterpoint to public schools, it was inevitable that they stepped in to preach the gospel (no pun intended) but the gospel has already been preached with secular films like Waiting For Superman. That doesn’t make the point that public education in this country is in need of reform any less salient, however.

2 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:53:44am

FYI. Ron Paul is onboard.

“They don’t educate our kids, they indoctrinate our kids,” the Texas congressman said of federal education efforts. “It’s a propaganda machine.”

First of all the DOE deals with things like adult education, grants and scholarships, English language for immigrants, minority support (Alaskan, Hispanic and Native American), certain arts and science programs, educating homeless and migrant children, magnet and charter schools. The bulk of these programs deal with assimilation of new Americans, minorities and help for funding the poor (through grants). Public school curriculum is dealt with at a state level.

Harping against the DOE is just another swipe at minorities and people living in poverty.

Secondly, making our schools into religious institutions is first and foremost, unconstitutional. The buck should stop there. We are not a Christian nation, even if Christianity is the majority religion. Our founders made it very clear that no one religion should be held above another in government institutions.

Thirdly, this idea of “bad teachers” is a negative concept and inaccurate. There aren’t “bad” teachers or “good” teachers. There are teachers who have better training and skills and who are better supported by their school systems. In fact, there are very few bad teachers out there - in relation to *personally* flawed people. The teachers who are less effective need better and more appropriate training not scrapped from the system.

3 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:53:58am

Great post, btw, honey :)

4 theheat  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:00:58am

re: #1 OrionXP

This isn’t debating substandard education, or having strangers warp the minds of our children. It’s the fact they cannot give an ounce of control away, or their children may stray from the parents’ 24/7 religious brainwashing. Oh noz.

Can’t have that. Can’t have different ideas, or ideas that challenge dogma, rattling around in these kids’ heads. Can’t have science challenge literal scripture, or be around the children of the unwashed. It’s all so damned… ungodly. God, god, and more god.

That’s what this is about. More specifically, the One True Christian God™.

Of course, my own public school brainwashing was so subliminal I can’t remember the actual means employed from grade 1 through 12 to warp my brain. Oddly, reading [more than one fucking book in my life], [liberal public school] history, and [unglodly] science were my favorite subjects. Geez, what a public school menace my parents raised. Educations like that should be illegal.

5 researchok  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:52:22am

You are all right.

Education cannot be viewed through a single ideological prism. As long as we do that, education will suffer at the hands of partisans and the homeschooling advocate fruitcakes will have a disproportionate amount of influence.

6 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 1:08:54pm

How about we get rid of the propaganda on all sides and focus on making our children strong in reading, math and science?

7 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 2:00:41pm
Guinn’s film, “IndoctriNation: Public Schools and the Decline of Christianity in America,”

I swear, creationists have the most severe irony deficiency.

8 Michael Orion Powell  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 3:48:31am

re: #4 theheat

Let’s be self-aware for a second. During the 1970s and through the 1980s on, it wasn’t conservatives but postmodern liberals who were moving out to the country, gaming out of the system and teaching their kids differently. Is home schooling now a horrid thing because it’s creationists and Mormons who are doing it than anarchists, Quakers and feminists?

The actual system (when we’re referring to K-12 public education) has not actually gotten better in the mean time. It has changed hands at the federal level but corruption and substandard quality still remains throughout the country. There is still all the reason in the world for a parent to be weary of dropping the child off in a public school.

Also, alot of states have launched distance learning curriculums for parents who want to teach their children from home. They’ve been available for several years now and this hasn’t been mentioned in the debate yet, as far as I’ve noticed.


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