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1 Michael McBacon  Tue, Apr 26, 2011 6:24:56pm

Methinks they might be doing this to proselytize.

2 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 26, 2011 7:07:10pm

Some Catholics will celebrate the Last Supper by having a family seder meal - but not a “party”.

The dignity of the human person requires the condemnation of all forms of anti-Semitism (Vatican II Declaration on the Relationship of the Church to Non-Christian Religions). In view of these relations of the Church and the Jewish people, it is easier to see how anti-Semitism is essentially opposed to the spirit of Christianity. Still more do these relations show forth the duty of better understanding and mutual esteem…

We call to mind the strong link that binds the Christian liturgy to the Jewish liturgy, which continues to live in our own time. The fundamental conception of liturgy as expression of community life conceived as service of God and mankind is common to Jews and Christians. We grasp the importance for Jewish-Christian relations of an awareness of those common forms of prayer (texts, feasts, rites, etc.) in which the Bible holds an essential place…

The meal is often the traditional seder meal, and the observance stresses commonalities and a recognition that Jesus was a faithful Jew who observed Jedaic law. It is not intended to be a theft of Jewish tradition - so there are no yarmulkes, etc. It is intended to be a Christian observance in preparation for
the Paschal season which celebrates man’s redemption from the effects of sin by Christ’s passion and resurrection, and God’s gift of grace, rather than the Jewish observance which, in my limited understanding, is more related to a spirit of thanksgiving and blessing, a recognition of the total dependence of each upon God.

Like you, I find the usurpation of the traditions, rituals, symbols, etc., of a faith other than one’s own to be an offense to that other faith. For instance, I love the concept of the mezzazuh - but I would never put one at my door, because I would be using it merely as an ornament, rather than as Jews use it, which is in fulfillment of the commandment of putting the words of Torah on your gates to be contemplated as you leave and enter your home. It would be very wrong of me to usurp that, IMO.

3 cat-tikvah  Tue, Apr 26, 2011 7:10:53pm

Given the increasing Christian receptivity to, and interest in, the Jewish identity of Jesus, it’s not unusual for Christian congregations to hold Passover seders to better understand/experience the Last Supper, as I (being Jewish) understand it.

However, a “do it yourself” affair with religious “party hats”? Sounds like the equivalent of a baptism party with water balloons or a First Communion bash with cracker/wafer based hors d’oeuvres. Disrespectful, devoid of ritual/religious meaning, and in bad taste.

The point of the seder, the Passover ritual retelling and meal, is to tell the story of the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt, to appreciate the blessing of freedom and covenant with God, not to wear head gear. Putting a kippah (yarmulke) on a dog? Would I put a communion veil on a pet? Are you kidding?

It’s a very weird activity.

4 Locker  Tue, Apr 26, 2011 7:27:32pm

re: #2 reine.de.tout

They also had this “flag” on the front of their house which looked like a white shabby square of cloth with a gray plus sign on it. I believe that has something to do with their event as well but I’m really not sure.

5 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 26, 2011 7:43:09pm

re: #4 Locker

They also had this “flag” on the front of their house which looked like a white shabby square of cloth with a gray plus sign on it. I believe that has something to do with their event as well but I’m really not sure.

That, I’ve got no clue about. Their version of a mezzuzah, perhaps? Very strange.

It appears your step-daughter’s family may have missed the whole religious and/or historical significance of the event. Perhaps a non-confrontational conversation with some information along those lines might be called for, whether you yourself are religious or not. Somebody should help this girl get a fuller understanding of things. That’s just my .02, and I should probably just shut up, it’s really none of my business. I’m just really not into misusing the rituals or symbols of another faith which is what happens when there’s not a genuine understanding of them. It’s disrespectful and intolerant. I personally was very offended by PZ Myers’ games with a consecrated host for that reason.

6 Bob Levin  Tue, Apr 26, 2011 7:49:48pm

I’m no longer surprised who has a seder. It’s been going on and growing for a number of years. Evidently, it’s becoming the equivalent of Jews having a Christmas Tree. More and more people consider this to be an important ritual in their lives.

I suppose that the party hats come from the way that many Jews remember and describe their family seders, as the best meal of the year, the best times of the year. Add to that my generations’ penchant for toys—‘we take out plastic frogs for the plague of frogs’…and all you need is the marijuana to make it full fledged good time.

7 Locker  Tue, Apr 26, 2011 7:50:11pm

re: #5 reine.de.tout

Yea my SD isn’t really a Christian and she thinks they are weird too so I’m good on that front. They (her other family) are non-denominational Christians, which seem extremely common out here in California but extremely rare in PA/NJ area I’m familiar with or in the South where I’m also a bit familiar.

The church they attend is HUGE. We call it The Stadium Church and it has weekly changing billboard on the front with billboard like images saying this like “Is your relationship with God in trouble?”. Folks are perfectly free to do whatever they want, even use religious symbols for doggie head gear but this whole mishmash of televangelism+marketing+buddy jesus thing seems like something out of a Heinlein novel… curiouser and curiouser…

8 Buck  Tue, Apr 26, 2011 7:52:05pm

Why do Christians watch “The Ten Commandents” at this time of year? I mean it is not an Easter story…

So when Christians watch the Israelites leaving Egypt and getting the Ten Commandments at Mount Sinai who do they see? The Jews? Or a bunch of pre-Christians?

the answer is clear to me, and I think that explains why many Christians would want to mark the Exodus from Egypt….

If He hadn’t given us freedom, we would still be slaves in Egypt. ..

I am an Atheist Jew, but I love Passover…. it is the history of it.

9 Bob Levin  Tue, Apr 26, 2011 7:53:32pm

Ah. I forgot about the intermarriage factor. That’s how it breaks out into popular culture.

10 researchok  Tue, Apr 26, 2011 8:31:46pm

re: #2 reine.de.tout

It’s a much smaller world today.

What was once foreign and exotic is now within reach. Overall, this is a good think.

Interconnectivity is no longer a concept.

11 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 26, 2011 9:25:11pm

As long as they purchase their supplies from The Zionist Mall I’m all for it!


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