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1 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:37:22pm

Very nice segment with one notable exception. I know lefties hate Iraq but it’s a separate issue. Wingnuts could easily adopt the same tactic and label Libya a distraction. How about Darfur or Rowanda? Iraq needed to be dealt with eventually. You might not like it but it was a problem. Dems have a nice opportunity here to rehabilitate their foreign policy/war on terror image. Don’t fuck it up by over reaching.

2 FreedomMoon  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:04:34pm

I have been guilty of this conception, all along I just assumed they were all cave-dwellers evading capture.

3 Randall Gross  Wed, May 4, 2011 4:20:39am

I wrote an article back in March 2008 speculating that he was living in a walled compound at the outskirts of an urban area. I would have been thoroughly prescient if I’d mentioned Islamabad but my assumption was that he would be in Lahore or Peshawar near his old digs. I forgot to calculate in his Old Guard ISI connections when I made my guesses and ended up being wrong.

4 What, me worry?  Wed, May 4, 2011 7:33:37am

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Very nice segment with one notable exception. I know lefties hate Iraq but it’s a separate issue. Wingnuts could easily adopt the same tactic and label Libya a distraction. How about Darfur or Rowanda? Iraq needed to be dealt with eventually. You might not like it but it was a problem. Dems have a nice opportunity here to rehabilitate their foreign policy/war on terror image. Don’t fuck it up by over reaching.

I’ve always supported Iraq, but I’m not a typical Dem. I think there were a lot of Truths on both sides. Oil, establishing democracy, ridding the world of Sadaam, establishing an American base there. Keeping close proximity to Iran and Pakistan (the most important in my book). We don’t know the outcome yet. It’s still being played.

So many questions remain. If we left Afghanistan, would we have gotten Bin Laden or wouldn’t it have mattered since he wasn’t there? In fact, all the Big Fish seem to be in Pakistan. Will they leave or stay? If we leave Iraq, will it matter or not for the same reasons?

What, if anything, did the invasion of Iraq and the ongoing war in Afghanistan have with relation to the civilian uprisings in Islamic states?

History is being written now!

5 What, me worry?  Wed, May 4, 2011 7:51:47am

The Christian Science Monitor has a little different take than Rachel with regard to help from Pakistan officials. I edited these quite a bit to fit.

csmonitor.com

Umar Patek - Arrested 3/29/11 in Abottabad, Pakistan. Accused of playing a key role in the 2002 Bali bombings and was long seen as a crucial link between Al Qaeda and its Southeast Asian affiliates such as Jemaah Islamiyah. Pakistani authorities arrested Mr. Patek based on a tip-off from the CIA, according to The Jakarta Globe.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammad - Captured 3/1/03, in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. The 9/11 coordinator - captured at the hands of Pakistani police: “In the spring of 2003, almost a full decade after Mohammed came to the notice of terrorism investigators, heavily armed Pakistani police crashed in on him in the middle of the night, in a walled compound in Rawalpindi, the home city of Pakistan’s military. His capture likely owed something to the technical capacities of American surveillance, but the big break came by the oldest of means: betrayal. The US had offered a twenty-five-million-dollar reward for Mohammed’s capture, and a cousin tipped off authorities about his location.”

Ramzi bin-al Shibh - Captured 9/11/02, in Karachi, Pakistan. Bush afterward hailed the joint Pakistan-US operation as proof of a “relentless” US effort to “one by one … hunt the killers down.” One of the first five names on the FBI’s list of “Most Wanted Terrorists.”

Abu Zubadeh - Captured 3/28/02 in Faisalabad, Pakistan. Pakistani military intelligence was accompanied by American CIA and FBI personnel during the massive raid on his compound, according to the TIME article, “Anatomy of a Raid.”

Abu Faraj al-Libbi - Arrested 5/2/05, in Mardan, Pakistan. At that time he was believed to be Al Qaeda’s No. 3 leader. His circumstances of capture may be one of the most bizarre, as it involved cross-dressing Pakistani officers. Wearing the burqa, Pakistani intelligence agents ambushed Mr. Libbi while he was riding on the back of a motorbike, according to the BBC.

I don’t know what Rachel is speaking about regarding the capture of terrorists in Lahore. There was a huge massacre there when terrorists raided two mosques, killing nearly 100 people and injuring another 100 (Muslim on Muslim violence). Some of the terrorists were captured, but it seems the police were complacent as the Muslims who were targeted are considered heretics.


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