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1 windsagio  May 4, 2011 2:07:49pm

That is so messed up. What would they call that then?

I do wanna say that stat rape and incest aren’t really rape either tho’.

2 wrenchwench  May 4, 2011 2:12:35pm

re: #1 windsagio

I do wanna say that stat rape and incest aren’t really rape either tho’.

What would you call that then?

3 iceweasel  May 4, 2011 2:14:34pm

re: #1 windsagio

That is so messed up. What would they call that then?

I do wanna say that stat rape and incest aren’t really rape either tho’.

You’re assuming consensual incest, but statutory rape by definition can’t be consensual, as we say that a child lacks the capacity for consent.

4 windsagio  May 4, 2011 2:14:50pm

re: #2 wrenchwench

Crimes? Abuse of a minor on one hand and… I guess incest on the other.

5 windsagio  May 4, 2011 2:16:03pm

re: #3 iceweasel

and yeah I’m assuming consensual incest, otherwise it would be covered :p

I don’t know why I decided to be pedantic and weaken the impact of reporting a goddamn travesty by the way, it must be the geek genes >>

6 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 4, 2011 2:16:47pm

re: #3 iceweasel

Adult incest, like, brother-sister incest when they’re age, very well might not be rape.

Statutory rape is also rape; it might be in doubt if the age of consent was ridiculously high, like twenty-one. Eighteen is a somewhat cautious age of consent, but it’s generally ameliorated by making it not in effect if the actual age difference is small— i.e. a 17 year old and a 19 year old.

7 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 4, 2011 2:17:25pm

re: #4 windsagio

Incest isn’t a crime almost anywhere in the US.

8 windsagio  May 4, 2011 2:18:14pm

re: #7 Obdicut

And once again I have learned something!

Now I just have to get my sister nice and drunk, she’s Hot!

9 windsagio  May 4, 2011 2:18:24pm

re: #8 windsagio

(and older than me)

10 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 4, 2011 2:18:46pm

re: #8 windsagio

Now I just have to get my sister nice and drunk, she’s Hot!

That would be rape.

Please don’t fucking joke about raping your sister.

11 KingKenrod  May 4, 2011 2:22:34pm

I can’t click through to read the article just now, but is it possible the FBI does not use “rape” as a charge because federal courts consider the charge of “rape” for some actions listed in the “non-rape” category as prejudicial against the accused?

12 iceweasel  May 4, 2011 2:23:47pm

re: #11 KingKenrod

I can’t click through to read the article just now, but is it possible the FBI does not use “rape” as a charge because federal courts consider the charge of “rape” for some actions listed in the “non-rape” category as prejudicial against the accused?

No. It’s because they define rape in terms of a penis entering a vagina. Nothing else.

13 windsagio  May 4, 2011 2:24:49pm

re: #12 iceweasel

No. It’s because they define rape in terms of a penis entering a vagina. Nothing else.

And that’s the crazy messed up thing. Like it said, it defines everything in the sense of what the penis can do.

Would be laughable if it weren’t so ugly.

14 iceweasel  May 4, 2011 2:26:19pm

re: #13 windsagio

And that’s the crazy messed up thing. Like it said, it defines everything in the sense of what the penis can do.

Would be laughable if it weren’t so ugly.

Typically wingnuts persecution of gay people tends to focus on male homosexuals; they only seem to worry about lesbians when they want to adopt.

15 windsagio  May 4, 2011 2:28:30pm

re: #14 iceweasel

It’s easy to snicker at people when they start carrying on about the ‘patriarchy’, but damn… when you really look at it, it feels like it’s actually 300 years ago.

16 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 4, 2011 2:28:36pm

re: #14 iceweasel

Though lots of girls get called “lesbian” for not putting out or being otherwise weird.

17 Floral Giraffe  May 4, 2011 2:35:45pm

re: #12 iceweasel

No. It’s because they define rape in terms of a penis entering a vagina. Nothing else.

Which is very messed up!
Thanks for paging this!

18 iceweasel  May 4, 2011 2:35:54pm

re: #16 Obdicut

Though lots of girls get called “lesbian” for not putting out or being otherwise weird.

Sure. Dyke or whore are the choices.

19 windsagio  May 4, 2011 2:36:12pm

re: #16 Obdicut

People don’t understand that kind of thing. The exact same thing happened to me a few weeks back. My cousin apparently thinks I’m gay because I haven’t been seeing anybody for a few years now.

20 iceweasel  May 4, 2011 2:36:37pm

re: #17 Floral Giraffe

Which is very messed up!
Thanks for paging this!

Hi Floral, I hope you are doing well. Jimmah is sitting right here and wants you to know we’ve been thinking of you.

21 windsagio  May 4, 2011 2:38:37pm

is ‘dyke/whore’ more or less insulting than ‘madonna/whore’?

22 iceweasel  May 4, 2011 2:39:45pm

re: #21 windsagio

is ‘dyke/whore’ more or less insulting than ‘madonna/whore’?

Why do we have to pick?

23 blueraven  May 4, 2011 2:39:58pm

Fuck the FBI, up the ass, with fingers and fists.

24 windsagio  May 4, 2011 2:42:09pm

re: #22 iceweasel

We don’t of course, its just kinda an interesting turn of the phrase.

I dunno, just babbling >>

25 iceweasel  May 4, 2011 2:45:20pm

re: #24 windsagio

We don’t of course, its just kinda an interesting turn of the phrase.

I dunno, just babbling >>

I didn’t mean that in a hostile way at all. They’re different sorts of categories. dyke and whore are the names you get called, madonna/whore is sort of a functional category: splitting women’s sexual and reproductive functions apart from each other.

Which again, is why the wingnuts only freak about lesbians when they want to adopt. Suddenly those categories (sexual and reproductive) are united again and their heads explode.

26 iceweasel  May 4, 2011 2:46:26pm

Jimmah and I have to take off now, but I’ll keep an eye on this thread for later. Have fun, folks!

27 researchok  May 4, 2011 4:15:51pm

If the strict definition of rape is expanded, crime rates rise.

FBI won’t be happy with that.

If anything, look for definitions to become more restrictive.

Politics, you know?

28 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 4, 2011 4:16:50pm

re: #8 windsagio

And once again I have learned something!

Now I just have to get my sister nice and drunk, she’s Hot!

Not cool or funny in the slightest.

29 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 4, 2011 4:26:17pm

re: #25 iceweasel

I didn’t mean that in a hostile way at all. They’re different sorts of categories. dyke and whore are the names you get called, madonna/whore is sort of a functional category: splitting women’s sexual and reproductive functions apart from each other.

The saint/slut dichotomy is one of the oldest means by which women are defined and controlled by their reproductive capacity.

For an interesting variation, check out the Jezebel/Mammy caricature as applied to African American women. Mammy, is safe, comical and asexual. She poses no threat to white female privilege in the Old South. Jezebel is dangerous, and sexually uninhibited…representing the racist assumption that dark skinned people are naturally carnal and voluptuous. She must be held in check by white male prerogative. Master will come for her later, of course…

30 windsagio  May 4, 2011 6:30:36pm

you guys are such sticks in the mud >>

31 angel Graham  May 4, 2011 8:33:12pm

re: #7 Obdicut

Incest isn’t a crime almost anywhere in the US.


Laws regarding Incest in the United States

United States

In the United States, every state and the District of Columbia have some form of codified incest prohibition.[27] However, individual statutes vary widely. Rhode Island repealed its criminal incest statute in 1989[27], Ohio only targets parental figures[27], and New Jersey does not apply any penalties when both parties are 18 years of age or older.[27] Massachusetts issues a penalty of up to 20 years’ imprisonment for those engaging in sexual activities with relatives closer than first cousins[27] and Hawaii up to 5 years in jail for “sexual penetration” with certain blood relatives and in-laws.[27]

In all states, close blood-relatives that fall under the incest statutes include father, mother, grandfather, grandmother, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, niece, nephew, and in some states, first cousins, although Rhode Island allows uncles to marry their nieces if they are part of a community, such as orthodox Jews, for whom such marriages are permitted. Many states also apply incest laws to non-blood relations including stepparents, step-siblings, and in-laws.[28]

UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh has questioned the rationale behind laws prohibiting incest, at least as they apply to sex between adults.[29]

32 Flavia  May 4, 2011 11:13:13pm

I guess I’m a jerk, too, because my first thought was relief. I certainly think that penile penetration is worse than what she suffered - but, then again, I still think she was raped. I’m just glad that she can’t have gotten pregnant & there’s FAR LESS chance of some disease. But yes, the trauma is the same, she was raped (figured I’d reiterate that).

33 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 5, 2011 4:56:45am

re: #31 sadangel

I meant adult incest; there’s only a few states that criminalize adult incest.


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